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But yes but you know Malcolm was born on the way he was he was born fact we waited for Malcolm's birth our we were the superstitious drive of Africa air and water says and we believe that the seventh child came with certainty and doubt was a right that would surprise us. Other children of that family. So when he was born we expected great things of Malcolm. I don't know if this influenced him the fact that his family put him in a suit and had a card. My father in particular was concerned with him after he was born because he was a very fear and he felt that this would be a hindrance to him just applying ourselves to him because people at that time but a lot of stock on black and yellow and colors you know what I mean.
So much of what Malcolm should have gotten from the family had he been born blind he didn't get it because we didn't want to make a difference in the white child or with the black one. So where did he get it say in his late teens it is early 20s. Malcolm lived with me from 12. Until he went to prison I had their chance to discipline him outcome in prison. Malcolm would agree it was an aggressive young boy I admired it I stimulated it. I felt that a black man a black young man over the period of 400 years in America had been deprived of any aggressive thoughts even if you show aggressive thoughts before the white man he would tear even a shoe set you apart from the others as the villain. So but I felt that an
out of him out come after my father's death and on his mother's haven't gone to a hospital. I felt that it was my duty are to stimulate his arrogant stimulate his impulse to be honest let him feel that life with the life that God gave him belonged to him he didn't have to pay homage to anyone and this is how I guided him. The kind you think being in prison have a point. What kind of effect. In prison I was able to see. Really direct him and to accept and fax as a guideline to life and not turn an illusion of something that is dramatize prison is real. If a God sees fit to throw you in solitary confinement this is for real. Malcolm was able to see this and accept life from a realistic point of view which I think all of the illusions that he may have adopted in his youth are
from environment. I think he lost it in prison. I think he really song live for real. And this was one of the most valuable assets that Malcolm did acquire and life was courage. A matter of fact. To accept life from a realistic point of view nothing dramatized would interest Malcolm. Nothing. You became involved with the Muslim call it within the prison. Yes through my brother original he became involved with them like mushrooms and Joao the Black Muslim Islam of Muhammad gave him a chance to excel. I had not it bend far larger Mahamat I would have had to find possibly another feel to
project him through. But Islam as it was then in a small room. It was a very small thing at that time and this gave Malcolm a chance to really excel and build the Nation of Islam. Much of the Nation of Islam is Melcombe. Do you know what being in the most had a profound effect on. To some degree. It gave him a chance. As I said before to recognize the needs of the masses of people it also gave him a chance to recognize the lack of knowledge of the masses. Read to contain. It also gave him a chance to recognize the fact that black people are their own worst enemies.
In what way do you think black people are their own worst enemy. We don't realize many of us that we are free. If we realize this word freedom and recognize it for what it. Means and watch the other people on earth exercise freedom then we would not sing the song We Shall Overcome and walk up and down roads and beg for this and want property programmes and all this type of thing. We would know that our ability to care for another race would give us more ability to care for our own needs and we don't provide for ourselves was not unknown. In your estimation now from my estimation no man is nonviolent No man is violent. A Malcolm believed as a man should believe that if you strike him he it was his duty as a man to strike you
back. What kind of an that did Malcolm have on you. On me I believe my the effect he had on me was to see him grow from childhood and to a dynamic figure a man and with an understanding no man in himself and life in itself an me. He was to me like Jesus does to most Christians. The only I can imagine how the Virgin Mary felt about her Jesus. This is what Malcolm Wants To me each step that he grew each time that the changes came. I could feel them and leave them. I could see them in his manner his approach to me his respect for me. Malcolm had a great respect for womanhood. I don't know how he came by this but possibly as I said from the tribe. Maybe this was a brochure that most men don't have but he had it a great respect for womanhood.
He not only if we sacrifice and I can't no I don't know any other man who made the sacrifices America made every sacrifice to make himself hold a man worthy of saying to you'll do something about yourself. Young ladies are saying to a young man get up and take your bed and walk. This is how Malcolm affected me. This is how I saw him. Was Malcolm searching when he went abroad abroad for the period of time. Yes this is why I say he was ready. Malcolm broadened his scope. Much of what he learned abroad gave him a matured A approach to the bright man's problem. Before he had much much frustration in the Nation of Islam there is much frustration. Malcolm had acquired some of the situation on his attack on his return from Africa
after traveling and spending time with all of the black leaders. And revolutionary leaders Malcolm came home a man no frustration no emotional problems no desire for material gains which is one of the greatest tests that a man can acquire is to lose that desire for material gain. Those who lose that value on that man's doll. Malcolm had to cast aside all of this. He walked into my house. He told me he was going to speak at Harvard. That night he spoke at Harvard Law upon form. After he came back to the house I gave him a diploma. Tonight Malcolm you're a man. From my point of view he said at around 1 1/2 i didn't yes you did but you made it your man.
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Malcolm X (1969)
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Ella Collins interview
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Sarah Ann Shaw interviews Ella Collins, sister of Malcolm X. Collins discusses the childhood of Malcolm X and how she had raised him from an early age until his incarceration and subsequent conversion to Islam. Topics covered include Malcolm X's attitudes toward violence; women; and at the onset how the family had great expectations of Malcolm, from the time of his birth, given he was born the "seventh son" and the significance that carried in the family's ancestral Watusi culture.
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Civil Rights; civil rights leaders; X, Malcolm, 1925-1965
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