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he isto be very honestthomas jefferson forced afigure to me simply is that he is their present the unitedstates recently i've become very interested in him because hewas the owner of three sets of my ancestorsthat make me who i am so naturally i'm did have all the information that ican to understand the man in order to understand from where icame far as the treatment of my ancestors in the roles they would've played inamerica to me it's very very rewarding to go to elaborateand it picked up a book on jefferson and find the names ofmy ancestors such as lack of a fourth great grandfather orfurther background to date from the first americanancestors through to my grandchild is ten generations and to me that's for a rewarding for
feelingtheyre president thomas jefferson was thepresident of the united states again the ending i didn'tknow much about him wasn't interested in him as a man whowasn't for interested in and a lot of the quote unquote founding fathers ofamerica simply because i never related to be an armthat's basically about it it was just like the busservice history that i really comprehend itfor us myfourth grade virginia history book force blacks are african americans asslaves or number two incidences where they aretalk about the slaves one was are drawn the war between the states they
talk about some slaves are ran off because they'veheard of thrones that there won't be emancipate where others were loyal to the to the ones thatthey love me and that own this because they will treat you can cheer for anotherinstance was when they were talking about the roles that the slaves or servants plate whichwas also a field hand swear i'll just learn to become lax mapsand that worked in the kitchen and they were cared for well people will fadeclosed and when they were sick they were given medicine cando in the time that tom who are at the account of the war between the states i was reallyreally emotional it but lee's surrender because what i was virginiayou know and we did this out of the goodness of his heart to protect his men to getwarm clothes and shelter you know because they had been out in theyoung water so long trying to fight called up uphold what they
believed that what they need it and to me it's just so misleadingbecause it does not go into the roles that we actually played allactually the hold on wallitself you know yes it was the needs of the southern planters versus the needs of theyoung northerners but foreigners theirfactual things are actually won on you know given that you don't understand it you don'tcomprehend it so you're looking at one thing one waybasically jefferson in his rowtwo needs jefferson symbolizes america in the sense that jefferson was aman of his time and he was no different from any other man with the exception ofof his political no financial status
judgesit was vital in the writing of the declaration of independence he was that theirpresident but he was the man and he owned slaves and he profitedfrom his slaves he was a very curious man and the sense that dumbyou've always wanted alice thanks and he nowi asked the best way to all make a profit own whethersleep was better suited own huge idealize each person'sown and the sense of where they cut down gradedmake the most from them some or more capable or trustworthy so he would have been closerto heal where others were not benefield danza won over someyoung boys he utilizes the cic the boys the girls allwomen each one level he never head a a slave that was and thatworked you know he basically static the whole thing i
can say that i agree with all of his facts of findings you know here is theanalysis but at the same time he yelled if you were sick then you had it easy to datemaybe just shelled corn that day where so when they get all will be a nursestand house and to give the children you know everybody had a job so he didn't have been about itit was no big league you knowmakes jefferson a man of his term he was no different from anyone else hewas a human he was not a god are jefferson i can't saywhether he was gay at a good i think many of the slaves wereare treated there are particularly my family land becausemy family line were closely related to his wifeand now it was a kinship the year and i firmly believe that
kinship from from his land as well and knowfrom that poured the house servants they are or were treatedbetter force him being bet i think hewas so oh man a loss for miami and that they keepus what it was would he give dealersohafter i had no interest in hip know does an adult the historianand the district of columbia or a plea that nine e flat the summer how boredmacho and now baby i was introduced to heras she was the director of what over and you know this amounted to itmeant absolutely nothing to me and tell they say charlottesville because myconcept macho in charlottesville it didn't you know the two did not nationallybut once she set shells will of bell labs hold us were naked us with my great
granddaddy sprout less where where waste and now we shared a lot ofinformation and that worked with harris will shoot with me and now which sales funnels andaddresses and i gave her my great grandfather's name which is where we useand now from that port couple months later got a letter fromher and she said that she found in the census records makingfifty that there was a warm hughes who's a gardener job jefferson's to stay eighton in the household his head rather brokaw courtand now could this be a connection so they get a warmhughes cellist oh yes it's a connection that slot hundred years off fromfor my great grandfather said maybe his grandfather something that nature but i hadnothing to go on i could not make a connection puzzles were going on anotherproject in that milligan had the time to pursue it because the need to weed out the countyfinally this was around may perceive the lever for in august
january that curious again town's most nobel a couple days that timetoo will research so well following up on that i wrote to her are calledher want to play that called her she sent me some information on normally who was the gardnerand tells me that down uber johnson had this war was likemy third grandfather thanked just the way it is but their great grandfatherand he went by the name he usesi started with this history or warning to knowi've always what know since i was a child i'm always curious but i cannever hold the names in my head to write everything down and knownaround now nineteen ninety in a mother of teenagers how ami just felt that my kids were kids now input i say mikey its
case within the community as well as mike moen daughter owntend to take our education and school system all that for grantedit really bothered me in the sense that i thought that they had agreat opportunity and they she utilized what they hear it and i felt thatthat it wasn't a connection there with who they were where they came from and i thoughtmaybe if we started documenting some information that maybe they wouldwouldn't take things soap so lightly because i remember oh in nineteen sixtyeight when i first went to the high school in my area who was forced integration at that pointand up to that port i never really had any ideaof the differences of races are other been speaking to people on thestreet and go my own way it's bwas not with
with myself and thenas the mother in the nineties of a teenage daughterand other children i felt it necessary to reach out and to tryto uncover my roots and the sense of learning more about myancestors and the roles they play in america having lived through theintegration of nineteen sixty eight and just know what i went through as a challenge tryingto relate and try to understand a felt that i felt the needto utilize things that were available to us and i felt thatif my children and the children in the community in which i liveand just to the roles that each bird ancestors played i felt that they wouldfeel better about themselves and better understand the need toproceed or in life i started our research in milanowned by questioning aunts in our parents and
are just right and everything that i could start with the basic oral history andthen one day i was at a bookstore not found a book on the force within thecounty so i went through the nfl a couple of my ancestors in and i foundanother book written by the same person and then from that point the booktall where you go for more information so visit the local record area where you couldreceive you marriage protect whales those type things that us all the localsources and as i would do that who would have family gatherings so a cheerwith the family and each time one ancestor wouldautomatically it would bring a tail back a little bit about somethingthat i had found a spark a memory and again i would write thatan unknown start of a new book for each one of my familyat all one was basically
setting up the family line system what time frame they were all onething that fascinated me was doing that so we wore my mother told the tale of oneof a family line from late on all the nominees were it locally in the countyfish around that all that they are sandwiched the men would go home typebank and then assumes those backward turned they would give them all the food that they could give them youknow and give them supply some he answered disrupt yourself just give them every dayanother story that i'm one of my cousins told he's on a secure zone thanhe remembered one of my ancestors home in the gainesvillearea for junior tone until bergdahl carolina wrote and said that thecarolina wrote not only served as a means of the underground round robot slavetraders are exports and imports lays back and forth to the south on thisline and said that they each and they always have to make an example that now whenever one ofthe children he cried a lot whether between tightness of homework
called the whatever that they would literally bash the key it's here that gets a tree in order tomake an example to the mothers to keep the children quiet so from that point on thechildren were quiet and beyondangry and heard in that way you knowom i don't dwell a lot on any of that i just take it for what it'sworth in the world is to let me know the capabilities of may andknow that this these were work with people and they were human armi can't begin to understand therationale behind all this other than to make them feel in charge arein control whatever i can't go there often is toopainfulthe first time i went on a cello
it was unnerving to the sense that when wepulled up into the lab and we sell the stables and who toldthat my great great great grandfather wouldn't work in itstables and we saw the crowds and he was the kind of thing and to knowbeloved flowers and plants guarding of my father outyou know it just made me connect you know and i felt like i was walking in theactual footprints and now i'm dreaming feel very very forphilbin connected it made me feel a sense of belonging and thenfrom that point as you walk through the house and nounder the article and the labyrinth that was very dramatic because one of the greatuncle's death the coughing and the connect of debt and to see thebooks in so many things and characteristics that that house shows it andholds huge holes true today for my family far as the
colors of thrones about the love of books theair and the views and the things that we as a family twoto work on those groundsi think you have to really reallyand alas your slave holder as you would onany plantation with those grounds in particular i thinkit would have to know the mood that he was in on a particular day in order to have had afunction that day and i think you'd have to take it one day at a timewalking those grounds this is tremendous and nowhen a mobile or row is a when the slave quarters and theartisans are shops where most of my immediate family romo arereally in close out slave quarters and no
they were basically the artist's incident and the house servants they areso i tend to believe it they had a easiertime than a lot of the slaves not to say that they had a goal of jewishlife by any means i think it would've been hard because even eventhe elite slaves and they were but they were always they were also separatist afamily in their family units were not always together and i think you have to take itone day at a timeit isyouhave to be a slave you were not in control of any of yourneeds wants designers or anything you were controlled bysomeone else your thoughts you would dictate it to arm
you may have hit him with opinions and thoughts but you could never displayedthem arm as a slave you would have toteach your children different than what you would teach them nail mother now what inanother black baptists you you know you turn that other cheek and you know youneed to do things differently back then i would imagine a mother would say yes i want achild but no he never look a man in the face of a local man andyou got to be tough you gotta work you can't do is you got into that and i can imagineher telling her daughter's look pretty for the mass to chow because this might pictureeasy day ike anant when i walked on some of thoseplantations so even jefferson's plantation and short winded that the gore not one he'lland i think about the crowds of work out the guards they work out i do whatever ihad to do to survive and i don't think they would have been any different
you have to hire new heart only do in thattimeframe families for blacks were notalone family she would give birth to a child when you try to raise the child to beindependent of of a family yes you would want to reach outand it a child but you know just the child you would package and youadd the heart with your children alone not to say that the motherwould love the child when coupled that chow but the same time the more you do that theharder it would be for their child today womenespecially myself with fire which our mom come on over arctic charback and if you walk the chow you'd nurturing their child to bond with you you could not raise yourchildren realistically to bond with you because the separation whatalmost killed them then you as well i believe that slave women
house servants basically bonded with those more white children their masters' childrenbecause it was a bombay or as long as they were in that thatarea and most of those children then nurses oh a slavenurses so mammy so when you were called on those children you know i reallylooked up to them and and it was a close ally with them because many of them with their wet nursessofor today'sepisodethe whole family scene for separation whether you're goingdown south or to the plantation next day all of it was traumatic because each
day of your life you had to sit back and watch either hugechild being defiled org sold off or heart out to have someone elsewhere you had no control over a man had to watch his wifekari someone else's charts and had no control over what a womanto stand and watch her husband b and b doable vice versa eat you had nocontrol over the sink these were things that you had to learn to tolerate terror onhow great in the sense of except for what it was you had no control overmany times it'sbothimagine if you went to a slave auction and
you sold and you're going down south that means hard work meansdisease malaria and a detachment of of anything fromalien because first of all the person to be sold to you would know iam nine times out of ten you wouldn't be in the company of any slaves that you knewand you may not even totally understandanything about what was going on because many many unitswere sold at that time twelve thirteen fourteen year olds were soldand they will shut down along with the runaway saw people with many scarsbecause sound they would send them down so that was a way of punishment inningrebellious people will work it out of them we will control them one way or the otherright attitudethe beatings
the bulk of thejoyous would be at the outset the dock i would feel for them for manyblacks it was their tab when a message was sleeping well that would be for forplaying musical are clapping the telling details so quiltingor cooking in feeding each other it was their timeand many of them stay up late just to hit the airtime andmany people i don't believe i'm totally understood they may have worked in thefields anywhere from ten twelve fourteen hours a day but those tour ofwells that they had together as a family as a unit that's what got them through thenext forty hours you had to have some type ofmental stability in order to endure and to get through it and itwas like it to me one day at a time in order to manage one of
the next day may bring because you may have gone to sleep that night feel and comfort toknow that i had six children i had three of them with me today whitmore you mayhave known so you may be gone a new children's do you hadno control most say no anything was never a leverageoverto the slaves freeblacks indentured servants all hope for the state think some type of freedom in thesystem of which equality with some dates isfree in the sense of the right to go to the church or to sit whereyou want to set up the freedom to twohave a garden and features children of freedom to have a home ora blanket to put them under
hisbodyhas beencompleted two of his sonsearly thoughts on phone slavery was probably toabolish it later on it became a man veron avery strong pitching like that the aisle he helped by hisslaves he oh i think he was also a personthat had to have complete control or a sense of of ofcontrol over everything and everyone forced laborat the production of labor for one would go andcalm but at the same time many of my ancestors
were able to move around for three year even though they wereslavesbut freedom for a white person home that freedomfor a person of college simply because people of color were property they werenot considered people say right nowwhen jefferson he spoke of freedom and equality hewas speaking of freedom equality for people that willwrite he was not speaking of slaves of a black man something because they willconsider this property not as individuals hisanalysis of people of colorand his mammals always inferior except with exception of
music musical abilities far as a tone andthat is i can't relate while allowing theirown far it's his his thoughts because i can notto get too deeply involved with his thoughts or freedom or anything because to a certain extentit only brings a certain hostilities within asingle because i know that the man i was living in his terms and i realized thatno don that timeframe in order to maintain these large plantations werethese homes a certain amount of labor was needed but also know that this label wasnot black ancestors you know and it was not only jefferson but a most peopleperiod was their needs and we were utilized to fulfill theirneeds to morgues lostthis is the way america was built they came he white
people or english people would ever came here and to americans seekingcertain freedoms freedom of speech freedom of women religion whateverbut the certain freedoms were maintained and receivedby the sweat but the black maine and america was built by thetrade to work the jobs that the blacks into a bomb this countrya strong symbol of it artbecause he was one of the quote unquote founding fathers and he was a slave ownersis set was that i can't do all our lap on jefferson oh mycello or of his role as is that their president or anything elseon jefferson is of little importance to me tobe very very honest with you are and know that he isone of my ancestors one way or the other whether it's a great unclegrandfather lion or whatever is whatever you choose to believe but there too many
similarities for me not to for me to deny it but my concernwith jefferson is merely trying to understand what my black ancestors dealtwith do in the time frame thatwhen i want their act try to put myself in and the shoes ofthat woman a man in working there for that day how easywas it to maintain food from their kitchen and could you keep it warmenough to get upstairs and hamlet house was a setback for you to re warm itor if the sauce wasn't just right which you have to go back down and stand in thatyou know just area the fireplace area where you cookingfrom and those are type thanks oh hammett towns from that low downwaiter was playing sit back and forth what was being said think of four and i do believe that
there were no messages from my ancestors sit back and forth twoways of communicating different things and i'm sure they had secret codes for everythingit's no different today when you're working week you do which meant to do to some ofthata belief when jefferson dieda lot of thefeelings of my ancestors that with him simply becauseduring the time that he was living they hid more freedoms than wheremany slaves hid and upon his death they were sotoo jailed many of his debts ownsong were spread out through the own through the area here incharlottesville and in virginia and some were not so fortunate as to stay in
syria but there was a great separation of a family farm maiancestors were where it's sold on some to the universityand one of the young men of the university had oneline which was our first look was a pastry cause she was my plangreat great great grandmother think of had that great a way she was one of my grandmother'sand now her children one of whom thing robert which was my great greatgrandfather and now and a nothing a fewtwo years old being sold andthat is just overwhelming to me you know it's hardto i can see everything that they had to gothrough to two sublime as long as jefferson lived it was asense of of of unity a sense ofbelonging because
jefferson was a man of his term but for themost part many of my hands sisters were treatedrecently well and they moved without a lot of thepatients some of them quote unquote ran away withand jefferson's deathmy ancestors evenmore as a family we're lacedwife anne who is my great great great grandfathershe and several of her young children also to theuniversity of virginia many of them were dispersedthroughout virginia one and two members ofthe time some were sold this group says as families but not all of themeven join jefferson's early life groups family
groups were were separated but upon his death you had no hopes of beingmaintained as a family at least when he was living howthe hearings hughes graduate which allmy ancestors they were basically together they're theywanted to that that was separate it will put on other plantations seethat's the other thing when when these people hadplantations some of them had three or four so you may have a husband live in a oneplantation and the wife of another and children on another it just depends onwhat the owner needed at the time and slavery you can almost say itdepends on the needs of the young are some individual bases is to the carrie inthe treatment of of the slave system what they're only the what isdesirous were but upon jefferson's death there was no hope forfamily unity because he was gone to get ahead of the cello was going to
end oh i think you say about ireally do and i think the bulk of them forced my family and i think they cared aboutjobs at home not only from the sense of calmno jumps into jefferson's children as well because there was akinship day and it's what they've knew it was familiar to them that washomewe're only mike their third great grandfather believedwas the garden of the year are he also worked in the mail every and he workedwith the horses' stables and things but when jefferson that hedoped great for jefferson and he would often walk the gardenswith jefferson their accounts of him you know covering this or covering thatforced the frosted our jefferson wroteeverything down their snowfall account book that is so many accounts at the
different lines of my family they were given one like it's our rations offood or just numbers of thing jada chiefof clark fought for their clothes everything which means a lot to me i'mglad he was in a sense and candidate who doubted that databut it's simple because i can find out more about myancestors and in the treatment that they were given it's just that i don't have the time toreally get into it the way i would like took okwell do is have read you off anappraisal and inventoried the state of thomas jefferson deceasedand this is dated the seventh day of august
this would be eighteen to twenty sixand thomas randolph was his succinct her make her a manfrantically the meat among the very prized isn't this a moment to malign need for a womanannie brown worth nothing make her a woman creditworth nothingnew for a man as nick this is the carter i'm not sureabout him but i do have an asset was the blacksmith that was an unclethat was the year in his picture is ina lot of the books history books and there's alsoasi canyeah
pun jefferson'sdeath there's a record it into an appraisal of his estate whichincludes his slaves because they were property elson it for a man by the nameof barnaby was valued at fortune eighty dollars a negro womanother named eddie brown was worth nothing a negro woman credit was alsoworth nothing and made room and warmly was valued at two hundred dollarsand make her a woman ursula and a young child a three hundred dollars these are just afew in outlook to stage list that aresort of soul to it nan here at the universityor slow credit george robert amber rose sold for eleven hundreddollars the semi direct dispersal surface apastry crust robert who was to use all of thepalette the sale went on to be a preacher here in
charlottesville but for the most part not all of the slaves that wereseparated from family or for minor children from a new groundswere fortunate enough to be sold as as family units the youngerchildren of ursula and wormwood were kept together seeking thatjefferson's daughter from what i'm toldinformally fried worm way with the gartnerand some of the other family members as well for the most part they wereso anthony hopes of being kept together as afamily is gone everything was just which she once knew as familiarwas nothing anymore so you had to start over in a quest of howto survive today aswell
reading the list and you look at the value of everyone this partwas not too overwhelming for me because i've been working realizingthat this was a no more for that for that type of town for instance ninety nine hefound because i've been researching other family lands i think initially when i read thevery first one was far more dramatic than reading this one with anaccount of of my own family because you realize it becomes avery real that these people were not considered people they were consideredproperty and property owners could do whatever they so does ithave to do with them if they chose not to beat youon they would receive more money from work us a slave with no scars thanthey would for slate with scars when i look at the young fruitregister of blacks i'm seventy nine through became of virginia law thatif you free your care certificate stating that you free and who freed you in a
description and they would talk about the scars and have anything goes you get whether youwere nearly white or whether you were black orthese descriptions to me was like the ideal braiding carefulbecause i grew up on west of the cowboys and indians that type thing and wheni really started reading this and then at the same time politicswas thankful that they did the descriptions because i can visualize what my ancestorswould've appeared today so so comics vet but at the sametime it's very very hard to submit appeal to try to swallow and you can'tfor me i can't dwell a lot on the they'reparts of slavery which i can say that there's any good part of that that i can't dwell a lot onthe treatment of the slaves because it will definitely hardnewhart if you you know just constantly go over global for go over there ijust have to take it as it was history is is this from where we came
to me there's a great lesson to her own america wasbuilt it was for and the idea that all men are created equaland this is the goal that we must the chief that we arecreated equal and to know one day that we wake up and we don't see thedifference is that each one of us hey if you know there's always going to be sometype of prejudice some type of art oldpeople feel superior and inferior and ithink that's something that i will be i don't think that's going to change that i think for themost part of slavery the best thing that we can learn from that is tolearn how to snap right snapped snow justice in itfb
it'sbfor the reality of the roles ofslaves and where they were to meet one of the things that stands outlike disciplined jefferson's death there were there was a recorded appraisal aninventory of his estate and on the case inventory could list the slavesbecause they were the property there was an anchorman carnegie was valued at four hundreddollars need for a woman barely brown was worth nothing for negrowoman worth nothing negro woman ellen three hundred dollarsnick remain peter him inks four hundred dollarsan acre of sally hemmings two hundred dollars the man
formerly two hundred dollars negro woman ursula and her young child three hundreddollars negro woman and in her young child threefifty nick goes on down it could list all of his slavesjust make a one first when her youngest child and you probably youngerchildren were sold to the university for eleven hundred hours on this accountlist ursula critter george dropped anchor well for eleven hundredhouses being so along with some other household goodsmr fury it brings tolife you know the concept of the acayears the the history itself of that the time you know it iti'll make you realize who you were fromand what you could or could not do when and where you were in in the
place of america itself you consider property knew had no rights nofreedom snow anything and to be owned by jefferson tolive up on the mountain and upon his death you were sold as all the otherslaves throughout virginia it's very onthesametoday and came from threesets of jefferson's slaves one family line was great georgeand queen ursula queen ursa was a pastry cook and shehad been with jefferson back in the us
seventeens seventy timeframe most of my ancestors date back to the seventeen hundredswith with jefferson seventeen seventies for some wereinherited through his power from his mother's home from his wife's powerbut for the younger generations all they knew was mona chalabi and this washome to them unless they want one of his other plantations all with his daughters andtheir families but for the most part this is all that they knew as well asmany other people what they came from a to them was home to them andthe people they're became family to them as much as they could allow themselves tofeel a could a connection with and i do believe that myancestors of mine a cello had a family crew mate they will vary closeknit andi can't say that they felt totally us virginians all americans either
because i don't think that we ever really connect it would neverhad a total sense of belonging or acceptance because who neveraccepted as people who accepted his property as a weak mean self ofmaking the yellow an income or offer his own nice and survivali thinknormally seventy was the gartner the nail on that you knowi can't think of their pre identified herselftotally there's any one thankful for fear that itwhat we related to war became accustomed to would be stripped away from usi do believe that there was a great sense of loyalty and i do believe that they care forjefferson never did not that and i think for the most part jobs and careddeeply for mark for my ancestors as much as he was able to kiev for anything or anyoneand i think it was fascinating
so lots of slavery andtrying to understand the roles that dances displayed is a verydifficult task because unless you were a personprivy to the court system will go to them working at the court systemor to have a mastered that would allow you to do this or unless hewas tom hardy you out and you treat than he thought of alawsuit to recover what he was doing there's no nodocumentation regarding the all you can do is just generalized andyou saw the feeling like in limbo because you don't know whattype of man says tv it would have had an ancestor that would've been a runner would hehave then bill youse person what you've gone out and nowcreated everything to get the patrol was patrolling every night oh what you've
been quiet what you have found crown plan summer agreed to pause andpeople would even want to burn the jails courthouses damp what would he have donethat he worked in the fields or the houses but what i do at that timethose are the questions that played meeting regularlyon my ancestors being jefferson's place this is only one part ofwho i am irish books on about seven of the lines that make me who i amand i am really played over who these people were goingand what did they do and there's very very littledocumentation all i can do is read and track understand thewhole concept of slavery end to look at back at pictures torule us the type of quartz that they have to maintain or to look at the countyrecords one of the best things that i've come in contact with isa nineteen thirty six book published by john gielgud which are
stacks of that to the assembly which is the black was a virginian these willalso written that govern what blacks could do whether you'refree and dented or slaves and to me it's like a mini babel becauseyou you really need to know what your ancestors could recruit back toin order to research them when she realized that marriages werenot actually legal there was no writtenaccount of a marriage than you know when you go to quantas no need looking for marriage into lactic atsixty seven they're going but in the county wrapthem that family accounts in them about was that the cells many timesthey're listedmany of the slave quarters housed numerous people in
a pie tin tin back twenty space wouldn't calm chimneyswhich often caught on fire network to push them over somewhat stone chimneysso i imagined it made much of anything i'd they weren't earthforce some more on stone some would justwhatever was available at the time few blankets clothingfor the most part that i found and pitching in hawking county and thecounty in which i live it helps me in a world where blacks were higherannual basis they were given a lot like a costume wornclothes shoes and they were supposed to be treated humanely andif by chance they were not the person hiring them out with files suitagainst the person at the heart of two full plea of debt to four onand just thought attaining
that oh wellif i put myself in their position that approach we can make it a littlemore damage in her armeverything is on an individual basis and what was going on at the timeany time i found that in eight and there was a question of any type ofrebellion the patrols patrol that much more they were constantly outon the young plantations and they would go in andcheck to see where everybody was panickingthisweekwe're really if he's the only person that killedfifty people that's a miracle becauseanyone that would allow themselves to thank
as to the injustices of slavery would befar worse than that for slaves most of those who i wouldsay we didn't dwell on the injustices becauseit was no way to be rational about it over because you were treatedeventuallyyeahphiladelphia helped us on reasonable are thoughtof hope it was also a place of jobsfbyou have to you have to question the rationale behind everything
as a mother you think what would a person were killedthe children they were innocent they had nothing to do but at the same time youthink afoul of killing children of the ownerthat means those children of their own and would be the owner of his childrentoo it's like if i wipe out the next generation than maybe it'll stop theyare we really can'ttotally understand everything you can only draw differentconclusions you can think that everything's on individual basis as to what you think because you werethere and it was you that act i actually think that once youstart killing one person the next person you were nodding controlling knew you didn't know what youwere doing at that point because you were brought up in a society no town that willsnap humane slavery is nothing about slavery that swimming orany acts of times throughout regardless of yap hand quote unquote your slave owner
was you steal propertyat that point philadelphia was the hopes philadelphiawas a means of freedom a means of jobs maybe ofreconnecting with a family member that it escaped the youngcharles of slavery here in virginia philadelphia after the warheld jobs preachers from flocking county virginia also werepreachers in philadelphia which was amazing to me it'svery compulsive they knew all that down it just listening now howeasily they moved around and i think about theconditions of the road so that means of trout will attend a thing that theyalways work right in that same community but when you actually go and found thedocuments they went everywhere they they were very
very smart peopleto come come into it area where you know nothing of the line whichnothing of the culture but to be able to be enslaved and then togreece in and understand a way to survive and to still have tosend its living today to make that is so remarkable group ofpeopleoh i want to listen to understand that history happenedand never take life for granted take everything that it offersyou and pinstripe for more because nothing is easy in this worldtake nothing nothing at all for granted but be proud of who you are becauseyou're people were rich in so many ways and they build this
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Brotherly Love
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Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County
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Karen Hughes White is interviewed about Thomas Jefferson as owner of her ancestors and as a man of his time, how she learned about her family history, her first visit to Monticello and seeing where her ancestors toiled, separation of families, Jefferson estate slave inventory and records of sale, slave living conditions.
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American history, African Americans, civil rights, slavery, abolition, Civil War
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Chicago: “Africans in America; 103; Brotherly Love; Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County ,” 1998-00-00, WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (WGBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed May 20, 2019,
MLA: “Africans in America; 103; Brotherly Love; Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County .” 1998-00-00. WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (WGBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. May 20, 2019. <>.
APA: Africans in America; 103; Brotherly Love; Interview with Karen Hughes White, Archivist and founder of the Afro-American Historical Association of Fauquier County . Boston, MA: WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (WGBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from