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What relation to Title 3 of the bell. I'm. Very much impressed too. To learn that. Many of these organizations which are governmentally supported the National Science Foundation and National Institutes of Health and the National Library of Medicine and the Office of Education. Are already familiar with the work and apparently very much interested in it because they want to see it explored further. And I should hope and I think. And I am quite convinced that the secretary of education who is already familiar with this we've discussed it with him for a gas that he would look into this in quite some depth and I quite agree with you. It's a fascinating thing that we have so many ways of doing this. And like you say. That these different ways are available to the American people for instructional purposes and they ought to be coordinated. And they ought to be used to use your word to the optimum. Thank you very very much Mr. Chairman and I actually just a little bit more.
Suppose the edger net proposal is somehow financed and we do run this rather expensive pilot experiment. And suppose that it's highly successful. As we think it will. Somewhere down the line three or four years from now there's going to be the need for a public agency. To take on the operation of this entire university which will by then be an enter university governmental private kind of information that. I personally see in the public corporation that you're talking about. And Senate bill 11 60 at least the seed of the corporation that may take on the operation of this wider telecommunications project. Perhaps it's premature to talk about that in writing the current bet. But for the sake of the record we wouldn't want anything done that might preclude a
possibility and I don't think it doesn't because the bill does specifically mention instructional education. It does not it does not there is a definitive Leah's it does has Russia with reference to broadcasting. And educational television. Spell out. How. This instructional television will be supervised and how it will be carried on. And I think it's wise that it doesn't do it at this moment we find out just how gigantic This responsibility is going to be. It is a matter of fact it might well be the chances are instructional television when it's fully explored will be of greater importance and significance in this other element. And you might decide at that time that maybe it ought to be independently governed. But chances are you want to expand the authority under this exists is it existing act. But I would hope that that the Congress of the United States will be here forever and tomorrow and we can always
meet at the right time. Well thank you for letting us appear Mr. Chairman thank you for coming here very very very I am organization can be of any assistance to the committee or you please feel free to call me a blue collar kind of thinking that you may rest assured of that. If the shoe box. And the next witness is Paul's shoe box director of Great Plains instructional television in your last job aka director Great Plains instructional television Library University of Nebraska in Lincoln Nebraska very happy to have you say thank you sir. The chairman My name is Paul shoot back I'm the director of the Great Plains instructional television library which is a nonprofit organization operating as a division of the television department the University of Nebraska in Lincoln. The purpose of the Great Plains instructional television library I think will be of interest to you.
Would you move that microphone closer to you so that everyone in this room can tell you what is right in front of you. That's right. The purpose of the Great Plains library which I think will be of interest to you is to identify educational needs which might be met through instructional television to locate expand recorded courses from schools and colleges throughout the country which might meet those needs. And to somewhat sum up our operation duplicate and supply those courses through a lease arrangement to any recognized educational institution wanting to use them for open or close circuit television presentation to students. The library distributes such materials throughout the United States. Happily it's self-supporting this time. Our staff works very closely not only with educational television stations twenty five hundred mega cycle stations and close circuit operations but with school personnel as well. The quest for educational materials to fill needs and desires of teachers is a continuing process. Forward looking teachers are always searching for
ways in which they can upgrade the quality of their instruction. Appreciating any stimuli spurring them toward innovation and the use of materials and tools which will help them to be more effective teachers. Perhaps the most important and meaningful aspect of this search lies in the finding material which challenges the students to develop better observation and listening skills. This type of stimulus is found in good instructional television courses and consequently schools which have widely widely used TV. Have found to be a tool of great value. However has as has been stated here several times the production in the quality production of quality instruction television lessons require special talents. A sizeable staff and much time hard work and money. We found that in some instances these expenditures and time and talent are unnecessary because quality materials have already been produced and recorded on video tape from which excellent copies may be made. It was with this knowledge and
foresight that in 1960 and 61 a major study was undertaken by Mr. Jack McBride and Dr. W. S. Meyer Henry of the University of Nebraska which laid the groundwork for the establishment of the Great Plains Library their study made in cooperation with the United States Office of Education revealed that many recorded instructional television courses had been produced and recorded privately for independent use in school systems over the country. They McBride Myron Ruport concluded that considerable of this material could be made available to other systems for their use that optimum use of this material could be best served by the establishment of distribution centers or libraries. That's the great plains library came into being in 1962. Its purpose was to provide for the acquisition storage duplication and distribution of quality and recorded instructional television lessons. After evaluation. It was to make these lessons available to state
local private public aid educational institutions for use in elementary or secondary schools and institutions of higher learning. This library sir was established and financed by the United States Office of Education under Public Law 85 Dash 8 6 4. And after approximately four years of careful operation under such support the Great Plains library November became self-sufficient. Being able to assume all fiscal responsibilities and providing for an ongoing service for education throughout the nation. I won't read all of these statistics but perhaps a comparison from our first year of operation to the present time. In the number of courses the amount they are used would be of interest. In 1960 to 63 we had one television instructional television course available. Consisting of 15 Lessons that was used twice for a total number of lessons units of 30. We now have 82.
Separate series and in this current school year there are seven thousand seven hundred lesson units from those 82 series being used. We're serving instructional television needs from Florida to California from Texas to Alaska and we continue to work under the auspices of the University of Nebraska. With policies established by a distinguished 12 member Policy Board whose membership represents all levels of educational interest from across the country. Now a recent recommendation that board was to further the development and expansion of the library and to further explore all avenues leading to greater service to education through the use of recorded instructional television and so doing a staff representing that board commands and supports those responsible for the Carnegie report on public television and further on behalf of the board. We fully and enthusiastically support the an Akerman of the proposed legislation known as public television Act of 1967 as
is written because of the benefits which we feel will accrue to instructional television through this major either directly or indirectly. What is this more or less a programming process. No sir that these are instructed. When you say it's instructional What is it a tape talking about instructional television lessons which have been recorded and are being used at all what is it we caught it on a tape video tapes. And then. How does it work I mean as an institution asked for that particular series of lectures. Our process is fairly involved but first we attempt to find out what most institutions are in need. And then locate instruction which has already been done and recorded on videotape. Examine the materials and if they are of high quality arrange the legal and the technical details so that we may duplicate and distribute out. Those those materials.
Now how do they how do they show it when it gets to them. They show these on video tape recorders and I thought oh second on close circuit on cable systems on open circuit television stations. And you share a bar less as a broker. We Serve as they in between. Yes we try to locate the materials. And determine that they are high quality and then let people know they are available. And you have a board of directors that is nationwide and complex. Yes sir we do and I'd like to a conclusion of my remarks presents you with a general catalogue of the courses that we're talking about and on the inside of the back cover is a listing of the members who are on that particular board. All right we'll include that catalog by reference. Thank you sir. We feel and I'm again I'm speaking for the board. That the bill provides for a realistic basis for the continued activation of new TV facilities. And that's very good. Void is only
when such facilities are available for use throughout the nation. That all schools at every level and particularly those in isolated remote or less populated areas will be able to take advantage of the instruction that can be telecast directly into the classroom to help upgrade reinforce local instruction to introduce new concepts or perhaps more importantly to provide instruction heretofore not available in those situations. We feel it's important that the bill provides for the upgrading of certain equipment in already existing facilities. For days in part through the use of modern technology and that equipment that formal instructional materials can be presented in an even more informative manner. That's gaining greater learning upon the part of the students. It is no less important we feel that the bill encourages the activation of a system of networking the use of which an instructional television will be particularly appropriate in bringing to our classroom reports on current events or the events themselves.
Finally we wish to conclude our statement of support for the bellman by affirming that we are in strong agreement that a study equal to and in the magnitude and the stature of the Carnegie report is urgently needed for instructional television. We would hope that upon the passage of this important measure that Congress will continue not only to be interested in educational television and instructional television but will continue to support and very actively sell this important activity of our society. If I may sir I'd like to let you have these copies. Which will demonstrate or which will tell you of the materials I was speaking and as I said inside the back pages listed the members of the board. Thank you very much the one thing that she pressed me today. Myriad of discussion that we've had with relation to instructional television. And other media. Of instructional.
Broadcasting that. Of possibly five hundred thousand dollars is going to be a little bit of a squeeze. That's my personal opinion this is true. This is a large. Field that we're in and I dare not touch it though affair that it might hurt more than help. We would agree sir that the it could be a good stock. We want to start get the show on the road as has been said before. Thank you very very much. Next witness is Dr. Eugene Johnson. Dr. Johnson is executive director of the Adult Education Association of the United States. Witnesses taking his seat. At a chairman I am Eugene Johnson the executive director of the Adult Education Association of the US. However we would like to have the testimony of our association
presented. By the chairman of the. Section on mass media of the association. The chairman is Dr. Patricia Gregor. And she is on my right is just satisfactory. Absolutely and I tell you it's refreshing and comfortable to. The first lady that testified during these hearings. And this is a very refreshing experience. Very happy to have you. Thank you very much. Now speak louder louder now as was already mentioned diameters are going to go. Chairman of the mass media section of the Adult Education Association of United States of America serves as the umbrella organization in the field of adult education. Its members come from many different organizations operating adult education programs in this country. These include colleges universities public schools museums libraries Cooperative Extension agencies
voluntary organizations radio and television stations churches labor unions and labor education programs. Correspondence and technical schools. The Armed Forces business and industry health and welfare agencies correctional institutions and the like. The associations periodicals and reports regularly lately go to 8000 individual members to one hundred twenty five organizational and institutional members to state associations of adult education that now exist in most of the 50 states. In addition to serving its members individual organizational and state the Adult Education Association of the United States of America also acts as secretary for the committee of adult educational organizations. Representatives of 20 National Adult education organizations belong to this committee. They meet twice yearly to exchange information
and develop procedures for cooperative action on matters of common interest. These organizations conduct most of the adult education activities of the nation in which more than 30 million adults participate each year. Either Dr. Johnson or I will be happy to answer any questions about this organization afterwards. In addition to representing the Adult Education Association of the United States of America. I am an anthropologist educator and author and a consultant on the uses of television for educational purposes. I wrote a dissertation on a subject of continuing education for adults through television for Stanford University a few years ago. It was titled extension education by a land grant colleges and universities through television. Briefly. Adult educators support Senate Bill Levin 60. And we urge favorable and immediate action on it. We predict that
passage of this legislation will bring the nation's noncommercial educational television and radio services to a new and much higher level of excellence to a much broader coverage reaching additional millions of Americans who cannot get it now. We are particularly appreciative for the leadership provided by those who have initiated and shaped this proposed legislation. We look forward to joining in carrying out its purposes as well as its tremendous potentialities. We wish to comment particularly on title to the proposal to create a corporation for public television. Before turning to Title 2 however. Let me record our support for the provisions of both Title 1 and Title 3. We believe it is in the public interest convenience in the society for our Congress to make funds available through the Department of Health Education and Welfare to interconnect the noncommercial Educational Television Stations of the country. Providing funds for construction of
television or educational facilities is of course not new. The nation could not have developed the number of stations rooted in educational institutions and dedicated to serving the needs of the people in the communities of the United States and its territories. Without the assistance that has been made available already. We are proud of the record noncommercial educational radio and television has achieved so far. Adult educators have worked closely with these stations and have found them of great value in broadcasting programmes designed to meet the needs of education for adults that continues throughout life. We support the proposal for a study of instructional television admitted as you suggest that it be a little tight so far as financing is concerned. We hope that the research under Title 3 of this act does indeed go forward while adult educators have a sincere concern for the growth of instructional television. We wish to emphasise the point that adults and the communities in which they live have continuing
educational needs. Apart from those currently met by instructional television the continuing educational needs of adults are not met by instructional television would fall we believe within the interest field of the programmes to be supported by the proposed corporation. This category of needs is illustrated by some of the programs on which adult educators have already cooperated with any T or their affiliated channels as well as educational radio stations around the country. May I cite four of the most recent of these. One of a series of documentary programs on the problems and challenges of urban life developed by an iti and released under the title Metropolis creator or destroyer. Most of the affiliated any stations carried these programs at the same time. A score of university extension divisions organized additional educational experiences which
took the form of study materials prepared for discussion groups lectures tours and exhibits on the city and so forth. The National Council of Churches and a number of other organizations around the country joined in encouraging the widest possible participation of people in these programs. Number two the dynamics of leadership. A series originated in WGBH in Boston has been used by many any TV programs as a basis for enabling individuals drawn from such widely different population sectors as workers in factories members of such voluntary organizations as the League of Women Voters churches in the Boy Scout leaders to study the social psychology of interaction with inhuman groups. Wherever and whyever they form. Number three the town meeting in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota is currently producing through the educational noncommercial television stations in the Twin
Cities in Duluth and in Appleton. A monthly hour long documentary for use by citizen groups to study problems affecting each of their respective communities. Last November more than 20000 individuals participated in the first series of town meetings via television in the Minneapolis St. Paul area alone. Planning is well underway to extend this concept. The experience in the organizational procedures of the Twin Cities town meeting to other communities in a five state area in the Midwest. Eighteen universities in the Twin City area and Duluth cooperated in securing a variety of educational services to the town meeting. They provided train discussion leaders. They put on workshops on community problems. They conducted open public forums in order to give individuals a chance to meet. Person to person as well as via the television screen. These
supplementary educational services are and Moore supported by funds made available to the state of Minnesota under the Higher Education Act of 1965. Before. For several years and E.T. has produced a series designed to meet the great decisions program conducted annually by the Foreign Policy Association. The great decisions program involves more than 100000 adult citizens each year in the study and discussion of significant issues in the field of U.S. foreign policy. The great decisions program has been extended into the secondary schools and involves an additional 300000 future citizens there. Are a variety of adult educating agencies a Cooperative Extension Service several hundred churches University Extension divisions the public schools community colleges and adult education councils in many cities throughout the United States conduct educational
activities to strengthen and to enrich this great decisions program. Here in Washington D.C. for example the Adult Education Association of Greater Washington annually conducts leadership training workshops for persons who plan on leading great discussion groups in January February and March when the program is usually underway. I could cite innumerable other examples of most effective working cooperative arrangements between adult educators and noncommercial educational television and radio stations around the country. We believe that this kind of continuing cooperation between adult organizations and educational television and radio stations can be a major factor. In re storing a sense of citizen participation in community life. As well as citizen awareness and understanding of significant issues that are national and yes even international in scope. The Foreign
Policy Association has established a task force on innovation in public affairs education. The Adult Education Association of the United States works with the Foreign Policy Association in determining how the adult educational resources of the entire nation can be more effectively employed in order to surround the consideration of major public issues with increasingly interested and informed citizenry. As this was the case when each community community was so small in the past that everyone knew everything. Because of the importance of the current involvement of adult educators in helping adults study and discuss vital public issues and the much greater potential of this effort for the future. We are delighted to note that many different areas from which the board of the Corporation for Public Television will draw its members. If this bill passes as we fervently pray it does we shall be happy to submit to the
president the names of several qualified adult educators for his consideration when he appoints this board. We believe that one of the early opportunities for the board of the corporation will lie in strengthening the ties between a noncommercial educational radio and television stations with the university extension divisions. It will be able to do this by proposing practical means to relate sources as Title One of the Higher Education Act. To funds made available for the local or national educational program. In this way the board will extend and ensure. The most enlightened educational activity possible. Between and among adults citizens who continuously hunger for intellectual and community experiences above and beyond the humdrum of ordinary existence. We are gratified that whatever funds Congress may make available to the Corporation for Public Television will be
allocated according to policies supervised and in part developed. By the able respected and objective board members. This legislation has in mind. It is essential that this proposed venture into public television be carried on in a manner that protects the integrity and independence of the noncommercial educational Broadcasting Service. The American people we are sure do not wish to be propagandized by their government or by anyone else. Finally we wish to commend the intent of the framers of this legislation to make funds for producing programs available to both national and local agencies. We believe it would be a serious mistake for facilities departed in hope supported in whole or in part by funds authorized by this act to be administered directly by the proposed corporation. We believe the proposal to allocate these funds to
independently administered national and local production centers is the most desirable way to guarantee both high quality programming and diversity in programming with minimal political interference. Over the past 14 years the National Educational Television or any TV has clearly demonstrated its ability to make available television offerings that are in the public interest convenience a necessity. Any TV programs consistently maintain a welcomed high level taste in excellence. We assume that any T will be one if more than one is contemplated. All of the national program centers to which ones will be allocated under this Act. Passage of this legislation will enable the nation's noncommercial educational television and radio facilities and the adult education agencies working with them to serve the American people with ongoing and imaginative
effectiveness and impact. We urge its adoption. Here I want to compliment you on a brilliant presentation. Let me ask you for the. Information and edification of our people when we talk about adult education. What are the individuals we are talking about. There are. I'm not talking about age now. I'm not talking about age. Frankly I think it involves everybody. And it can. For instance in the old way of looking at adult education from say 1900 to about 1920 was essentially giving people who were adults the education that they were that they missed when they were five or six or seven years old largely because they weren't in this cunt but that isn't what we're talking about I waited. Well we still retain that so it isn't lost completely because there are still another one out of 10 Americans I guess there's who can't even read a report card or a prescription or a bottle of medicine. But with the increased educational level
of our country with every decade of this century we have come now at the beginning say of the seventh decade. To talk in terms of adult education for the person who is already educated but is never really educated because in terms of rapid cultural change unless you keep on being educated you have to think. You see that the society around us well I mean we are gradually saying Don aren't we actually saying that this is affords an opportunity to become better informed. You know surely civically. And his relation to your government and not only better perform Senator pastoring but also immediately. Inform. And this is something that can't exist. Could be it was worth a little something about some of these programs that you talked about for instance this town meeting in Minnesota. I mean how is that arranged. How is that put on. The John. I think Dr. Greineder is referring to the town meeting in
St. Paul Minnesota. This is the town meeting consists of. All of the interesting citizens in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area who want to engage in a study and to exchange views among themselves on a significant topic with significant public issues such as the transportation problems of the Twin City area or foreign policy or the conservation of water and other natural resources. So what do you do you invite him to a hall or to a meeting place. Now. You develop a documentary television program on any one of these issues that I've mentioned. This is broadcast over the 20 city station. Radio stations in the area may carry additional radio programs on the same topic. People gather to watch the television program or listen to the radio program and then to discuss the issues. That have been presented. In addition to the television program or the radio broadcast. They also
have additional reading materials. Many of them prepared by the University of Minnesota or other of the. Institutions of higher education in the Twin Cities area. They also have. Discussion guides. And they have the benefit of leaders who have been trained in workshops operated by some of the educational aid agencies in the area. These people gather in small groups usually anywhere from 8 to 10 to 20 or 30 people to discuss the ideas. They have several ways of feeding back to the people of the Twin City area or the agencies in the area that are concerned or the agencies in the federal government that may be concerned. There are thoughts and opinions after discussing. One way is radio. They may telephone in questions to a radio program which comes on the air or later in the same evening. It is the same evening that the original television
or radio program was carried. They also record their choice of several alternative. Types of action open to public officials on a rather convenient IBM card. Which can be easily punched out by individuals sent back to a central place. The opinions of many thousands of people tabulated and then sent on to the mayor of the city the Department of the Interior or other agencies concerned depending upon the type of issue under in any rate you do try to promote a dialogue among people. To discuss this. But this we think is. This is restoring something that's been missing in this country for a long time. That is in an area in which. Large numbers of people hundreds of thousands indeed millions of people are concentrated in large metropolitan areas. It restores a human scale to the consideration of public issues. It
makes possible in this kind of an electronic age the kind of town meeting which was characteristic of American society in the New England and the colonial era. And somehow or groping our way back toward ways and means of using these powerful new instrumentalities. To bring people into the act. Setting basic policy of determining the conditions under which they live of helping to shape the future. Rather than simply being passive pawns for decisions about which they know little and care less. In which they also get the feeling that they are involved in that they don't think it's right which is quite important. I want to thank you both. I think it made a fine contribution. Oh Mr. Chairman may I add a comment. Now Mr. Guterres yesterday I was in Ann Arbor Michigan for a meeting of the organising committee of adult education organizations. These are the 20 or more national adult education organizations to which Dr. Greineder referred
including the universities the public schools the libraries the Cooperative Extension Service and so on. This group discussed the bill which is now pending before Congress in which you're her holding hearings and asked me if I had an opportunity today to state that the committee of organizations is overwhelmingly and enthusiastically behind this bill. And commend it very much for your attention. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Is Ted Jones here. Apparently chairman plant story is calling another witness who was not on the printed I-10 aerating it was handed out this morning. The witness list has been revised and they have a Mr Jones yesterday.
Thank you. For the purpose of the record Mr Jones is from Rhode Island and Boston Massachusetts. And President of station be AM and FM in Boston. WCR Q and Providence and WC are x in Springfield Massachusetts. As a broadcaster for 25 years. Who came up the hard way from salesman to manager to president. And principal owner of four commercial radio stations in New England. I'd like to speak out strongly for public television. And I would like to endorse it as the Carnegie Commission in visions it with the National Board of Directors. To me this corporation is a wonderful new promise long overdue for a great medium. We must. As I see it have a strong public television corporation nationally to meet the strength of the commercial networks. They are big. They produce big
shows with big names. You must have a vital national corporation to produce greatness to match bigness. You can't do this as effectively if the corporation is just a money doling out foundation without the sinews that come from central control. Central production and central leadership. As to the fear that the board of directors will be politically controlled. May I remind ourselves that the president appoints the Supreme Court justices and they often confound the president later with their own independent decisions. I believe the National Board of Directors for public television will also attract men of high integrity and independent judgment. The safeguard that the Carnegie group suggested of having. Half appointed by the president and half elected by themselves is a good one. And I think for that method for a better balance. They would serve for six years on a rotating basis with two new ones
appointed every two years. This time lag is a check. In itself. I would also like to add part of the suggestion that since I was a loose key made yesterday which I thought was excellent. That the educational television stations themselves appoint representatives to this national board. My suggestion is that five such professional broadcasters. Be a part of the 15 and that these five be elected by ballot sent out by the public television corporation to all public television stations. This would keep the board of directors to 15 but it would give you a three way balance to help ensure independence. Five appointed by the president five more chosen by themselves and five additional broadcasters chosen among the TV station management by themselves by Gallup. Next I might say that I think educational television should be given every financial encouragement.
I would even like to see you or the FCC allow them to accept. Limited advertising. Yes I mean it. If they're good enough to compete in the marketplace for viewers for audience why not allow them a quality to compete for advertising. What is so sad. About the advertising dollars that they cannot seek that coin but are allowed to ask for the taxpayer's dollars. I believe the would have advertising standards so high they would put some of the more greedy commercial TV stations to shame. And might even cause some of them to raise their standards. I don't mean public television should have spot announcements coming out of the screen but I do mean that they should be allowed to give more than the name of large firms that now underwrite programs as grants. They should be able in my estimation to give the name address in a short 25 word description or slogan at the beginning and end of such programs. This will enable them to attract more sponsors to
their stations. I'm sure the FCC could set up restricted standards and I feel confident that nonprofit public television would live up to them. This income would not solve all their financial problems but it would increase their sources of support and would put into a more balanced perspective. The government funds needed from this public television corporation. We are in debt to Ralph LOL to the Carnegie Commission. And to you Senator per story and your colleagues. For bringing this bold new concept. Thus far. Public Television in my estimation ranks with Freida Hennig's vision of educational television. It ranks with color television and it ranks with the communications satellite in importance for the future of this great medium. Please give it full endorsement and just a few handicaps as possible. It won't fail you in doing great things unless you fail it now in its creation. And I'm sure Senator you will do that.
Thank you very much Mr John. Very nice to have had you. And yeah I think you've made a contribution. Thank thank you very much. Or anyone else in this room who would like to testify either for or against this legislation. The chair hearing then we will recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. 10 o'clock tomorrow morning will signal the final day of these Senate hearings on the proposed public television Act of 1967. Today fourteen individuals presented testimony they represented 11 different interest groups recapping the testimony heard starting this morning. Senator John Sparkman of Alabama made a brief initial appearance due to the presence of one of the witnesses from his home state. He made a few brief remarks then turned over the witness microphone to the Honorable Antonio Obi-Wan the official representative of the government of. A noted that public television legislation enacted in 1962 did not allow appropriations for
territories such as Qualcomm. He also noted that the bill under consideration now did allow such grants in the US he voiced support for it. A few minutes later Donald McGann on the pier and he's president of the Westinghouse Broadcasting Corporation and he said educational television could greatly assist teachers and students in obtaining an additional better teaching and learning experiences. He said he feels the title of the bill should be changed from the public television act to the educational television act. He said there appears to be a need for additional talented people said educational TV dates to work for development of a recognized image and image with which the public can identify. As a prelude to building this image she felt. Educational broadcasters should formulate a series of objectives he suggested occasional meetings between commercial and educational broadcasters to exchange ideas. The president of Westinghouse Broadcasting saw no threat to
commercial stations by the growth of educational ones. In fact he called for more exchange of programs between commercial and educational stations. The fourth witness of the day was Raymond de Hurlburt general manager of the Alabama Educational Television Commission. He briefly outlined the huge operation of the TV in Alabama relating its coverage financial operation and programming duties during his remarks he showed how Alabama serves not only students but a wide section of the general public as well. Appearing next was Robert by a swinger. President of the Gerald corporation who outlined the scope of his company's operation and urged the inclusion of community antenna television systems in any bill which would provide for a study of additional ways to aid educational transmission. He noted that his company is strongly engaged in the production of equipment for so-called CATV systems and apparently wanted to make sure they got some of the government
funding. It's a similar plea came from Irving B. Khan president of the teleprompter Corporation also engaged in CATV operations. Later on this morning Dr. Harold Green appeared he represented the National Educational Association and warmly endorse the bill. He said he was glad to see for the first time it included U.S. territories. He was pleased to find educational radio was included in the bill for the first time. He said he felt a need for educational radio was long overdue. Dr. Wade felt the proposed study of instructional television should be brought in to provide even greater amounts of information than is now called for. A similar concern was voiced by Dr. C. Ray carpenter who appeared with Dr. Wayne Grant. Following an afternoon lunch break the afternoon session began here and led off with Kenneth Cooper the eighth witness of the day. Mr. Cooper is president of the Connecticut New York broadcasters Corporation and he raised several questionable
points asking the government to finance another ATV organization. He urged the government allocate a half million dollars to finance a study of the goals and objectives of educational broadcasting and said this study should be financed by what he proposed to be called a social television corporation. This. Proposed corporation would then conduct follow up studies to assure that the public interest was being served by educational broadcasters. Senator pastoring at that point severely question the necessity for such a radically new interjection into the hearings. He said it seems enough studies have already been conducted and noted it's now time for action. SENATOR PASTORE I said this year's time restrictions allow little time for program production even if this bill is passed. He said that most of the time would be taken in the organization of the proposed public TV corporation and pushed aside Mr. Cooper's
proposal. Mr Cooper then urged the use of educational television to recruit employees for businesses in need of workers. SENATOR PASTORE e felt that suggestion might better be left in the hands of the anti-poverty Corp or the anti-poverty organization. Appearing next this afternoon was Addison Montgomery President of Educ com the enter university communications council he urged more exchanges of resources between universities noting that national educational communication systems would allow an important sharing of resources between universities and he felt this should include computer data transmission over educational television and radio interconnection. He said the proposed bill should not be limited to educational television and radio but should allow for the inclusion of programs such as edge you calm. During next the 10th witness today was Paul Shoop Bach the director of the Great Plains instructional television library at the University of Nebraska. He outlined the operation of his video tape
production exchange program which exchanges educational TV programs for university use. He voiced enthusiastic support for the pending bill. Dr. Eugene Johnson then appeared. He is the executive director of the Adult Education Association of the United States. He turned testimony over to one of his colleagues Dr. Patricia Greenwich. She outlined the operation of adult Educational Association. Functions at adult educate or strongly endorse Senate bill 11 60 she believed alive interconnection of stations is a necessity and said there's a wealth of potential benefits for adult education from such an interconnection. She urged the consideration of an adult educational expert on the board of the proposed TV Corp. said she supported on behalf of adult education plans to allocate federal money for program production on both the local and national bases. Dr. Eugene Johnson her colleague then interjected to
point out specific ways in which educational broadcasting is now being used for adult education. In particular I related this to programs dealing with community problems. The final witness who you just heard a few moments ago was New England broadcaster Ted Jones a voice support for the bill said that recent concern over the composition of the proposed public television corporation seemed an important Despite that however he was hopeful at least five professional broadcasters could be assured membership on the board of directors of the proposed corporation. Ads here and they're going to a hearing room turned pretty quickly when Jones urged the Senate committee to consider the use of advertising on educational broadcasting stations. He said to allow stations some method of injecting commercials into their broadcast. But a levy ate the. Tremendous burden on government coffers for this purpose. That issue was left completely hanging when Senator Pastorius next adjourned the hearing.
Some moderate observations on today's hearing it would appear that. People are now quickly jumping on the. Federal bandwagon to get in the act here. People apparently hoping to get a slice of the public television dollar so to speak. We have heard representatives of special interest groups some of them granted educational asking for consideration when the spending of this huge money gets around. This may or may not be desirable in many instances. It certainly will be the matter of study by the proposed. Investigation under Title 3 of the bill. Representatives of CATV systems telephone microwave facilities equipment manufacturers dramatic actors closed circuit TV operations computer data systems and of course TV and radio are all asking for their fair share. And then of course the one broadcasters seeking seven billion dollars to finance a new operation altogether. Tomorrow is the last day of hearings here in the
Senate Office Building in Washington. There are nine witnesses scheduled to appear today several witnesses were added in a redraft of the witness list but at this point nine are scheduled they represent a labor union. Several special interest groups industry educate oras and. Also some professional broadcasters. This will occur tomorrow the final day of the Senate hearings. There's a possibility these hearings will. Be completed early tomorrow. Sen. pastoring intends to. Attend a White House luncheon for General William Westmoreland. He will also be in attendance in the House of Representatives chamber during a joint session of the Congress at 12:30 tomorrow afternoon at which time General Westmoreland will address the Congress. And the general's appearance is the fourth time since 1949 since the end of World War 2 really that an American general has been invited to address a joint session of Congress General Lucius Clay appeared in forty
nine Douglas MacArthur addressed Congress in 1951 and General Ridgway Matthew Ridgway appeared in one thousand fifty two. We will carry the general's speech to the Congress live tomorrow at 12:30. You've been listening to the third day of testimony in this second series of Senate hearings on the proposed public television Act of 1967. The broadcast originated live from the United States Senate Office Building in Washington D.C. The coverage is being produced by W am American University Radio in Washington and by national educational radio. The U.S. Senate proceedings are being heard live by members stations of the Eastern educational radio network here in Washington in New York City Boston Philadelphia am Hirst and Albany. I'm Bill Greenwood. Public Affairs Director of when I signal educational radio our technical director has been Mr. Mike Harris. W.A. and new. Members of the Subcommittee on communications meet again tomorrow morning at
10:00 a.m. to resume and complete these hearings. Our live coverage will resume at that time tomorrow. This is the eastern educational radio network. Chief editorial writer for The Christian Science Monitor Jeffrey Godsell comments on the main news stories of the day every weekday on Bill Whalen reports Mr. Goss has commentary from his office at the monitor is just one of the features heard on Bill Clinton's comprehensive news program from 5 to 6 Monday through Friday over WGBH FM eighty nine point seven mega cycles Boston. Are scheduled for the second noon has been considerably disrupted due to the live coverage of the Senate hearings. The collectors counterprogram with Wayne Conner featuring Koussevitzky and the Boston Symphony Orchestra on 78 will be rescheduled for a later date in approximately five minutes. We will present to the program a conversation.
Series
Public Television Hearings
Producing Organization
WGBH Educational Foundation
Contributing Organization
WGBH (Boston, Massachusetts)
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Public Television Hearings is a series of recordings of the government hearings about public television.
Created Date
1967-04-27
Genres
Event Coverage
Topics
Film and Television
Media type
Sound
Duration
00:54:27
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Producing Organization: WGBH Educational Foundation
Production Unit: Radio
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WGBH
Identifier: 67-0089-04-27-005 (WGBH Item ID)
Format: 1/4 inch audio tape
Generation: Master
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Chicago: “Public Television Hearings,” 1967-04-27, WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed March 29, 2024, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-15-010p2vpr.
MLA: “Public Television Hearings.” 1967-04-27. WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. March 29, 2024. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-15-010p2vpr>.
APA: Public Television Hearings. Boston, MA: WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-15-010p2vpr