PBS NewsHour; Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT

♪ JUDY: GOOD EVENING. I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. ON THE "NEWSHOUR" TONIGHT, RISING PRICES. INFLATION INCREASES ABOVE EXPECTATIONS YET AGAIN, DRIVEN BY HIGHER COSTS FOR ENERGY, FOOD AND HOUSING. THEN, BIDEN ABROAD. THE PRESIDENT VISITS ISRAEL. THE FIRST STOP OF A MIDDLE EAST TRIP THAT IS RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS AND HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE REGION. AND ABORTION BATTLES. AS MORE STATES BAN ABORTION IN THE U.S., POLAND ENFORCES ITS OWN NEW RESTRICTIONS, THREATENING JAIL TIME FOR ANYONE WHO HELPS A WOMAN TERMINATE A PREGNANCY. >> I KNEW EXACTLY HOW HARD IT WAS FOR HER TO TO FIGHT FOR HER, LIKE DIGNITY, TO FIGHT FOR HER RIGHTS TO STOP THIS PREGNANCY. AND THIS WAS MY ONLY MOTIVATION TO REALLY SHARE MY OWN PILLS

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JUDY: INFLATION IN THE U.S. IS THE HIGHEST IT'S BEEN IN FOUR DECADES AND NEW NUMBERS OUT TODAY GIVE NO REASSURANCE IT WILL LET UP SOON. THE LABOR DEPARTMENT REPORTED THE CONSUMER PRICES JUMPED 9.1% OVER LAST YEAR, WORSE THAN ECONOMISTS HAD PROJECTED. GAS PRICES WERE UP MORE THAN 11 -- 11% IN JUNE. FURNITURE, CLOTHING, HEALTH CARE, GROCERIES AND CARS GREW MOREXPENSIVE AS WELL. BEYOND INCREASES IN FOOD AND ENERGY PRICES, THE CORE INFLATION INDEX ROSE .7% OVER THE PREVIOUS MONTH. TO BREAK DOWN WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE ECONOMY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I AM JOINED BY GREG IP, CHIEF ECONOMICS COMMENTATOR AT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. LOOK BACK TO THE NEWSHOUR. NOT SUCH GOOD NEWS. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ACROSS-THE-BOARD, THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE? GREG: I THINK THAT IS WHAT WAS SO DISAPPOINTING AND SURPRISING.

THERE WAS NO GOOD NEWS. THE BIG. INCREASE CAME FROM ENERGY AND FOOD. . GASOLINE HAS GOTTEN A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. THAT IS WHAT PUSHED US OVER THE 9% LEVEL, THE HIGHEST ANNUAL RATE OF INFLATION IN OVER 40 YEARS. FOOD WAS VERY EXPENSIVE. DAIRY PRODUCTS UP 1%. MOST CATEGORIES UP OVER 10% IN THE LAST YEAR. WHEN YOU DIG BELOW THOSE MORE VOLATILE CATEGORIES, IT IS TROUBLING EVEN THINGS THAT NORMALLY DON'T MOVE AROUND VERY MUCH ARE ALSO STEADILY MOVING UP, LIKE HOUSING. THE COST OF SHELTER IS UP 6%. THAT IS NOT JUST LIKE RENTING AN APARTMENT, IT IS ALSO THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT MEASURES THE PRICE OF OWNING YOUR OWN HOME. THE TROUBLING THING ABOUT THAT IS TWOFOLD. IT IS A VERY BIG CHUNK OF THE BASKET OF GOODS AND SERVICES PEOPLE BY. IT HAS A BIG EFFECT ON INFLATION. IT IS VERY SLOW MOVING AND VERY -- LIKE A SUPER TANK. ONCE THAT NUMBER STARTS GOING, IT TENDS TO STICK AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. . THAT MEANS IT COULD BE A WHILE BEFORE INFLATION COMES BACK. JUDY: IS IT CLEAR WHAT IS

DRIVING THESE PRICES UP, WHAT THE FACTORS ARE BEHIND THIS? GREG: I THINK WE CAN SAY THERE ARE A FEW THINGS. CLEARLY, THE WAR IN UKRAINE HAS CONTRIBUTED BOTH TO HIGHER ENERGY PRICES AND TO HIGHER FOOD PRICES. THAT IS ONLY A LITTLE BIT OF THE STORY. THE OTHER PART IS THE ECONOMY HAS RECOVERED RAPIDLY FROM THE COVID SHUT DOWN. PART OF THAT WAS FUELED BY LOW INTEREST RATES AND GOVERNMENT STIMULUS. THE ECONOMY HAS NEVER MANAGED TO GET THE SUPPLY SIDE WORKING AGAIN. THERE ARE PEOPLE MISSING FROM THE LABOR FORCE, THERE ARE SUPPLY CHAINS THAT HAVE NOT REASSERTED THEMSELVES. WE ARE SELLING FEWER CARS THEN WAITED TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH PARTS. JUDY: THERE ARE EXPERTS OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE SEEN THEM WHO ARE SAYING, WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO A PEAK. THAT INFLATION IS GOING TO START TO COME DOWN. DO YOU SEE A SIGN OF THAT? GREG: I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAID I THOUGHT WE WERE CLOSE TO A PEAK A FEW MONTHS AGO. WE ARE NOT AT A PEAK YET. AGAIN, THE TROUBLING THING IS SOME OF THOSE VOLATILE CATEGORIES WE THOUGHT WERE TEMPORARY ARE COMING DOWN BUT

OTHER FACTORS LIKE HOUSING ARE THEREFORE A WHILE. THE THING THAT WILL BRING US DOWN IS TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, WITH SOME TIME, SOME OF THE SUPPLY SIDE LIKE WITH CARS, WILL CORRECT THEMSELVES. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE CAP -- IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS TO COOL THE ECONOMY DOWN. THAT IS NOT A PLEASANT PROCESS. IT USUALLY MEANS HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT AND SLOWER GROWTH AND POSSIBLY A RECESSION. JUDY: RIGHT NOW, ALL EYES ARE ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE, SPECULATION THAT THEY WILL NEED TO RAISE INTEREST RATES OR WILL RAISE INTEREST RATES EVEN MORE THAN THEY HAD SUGGESTED THEY WOULD. THERE IS REALLY NO FORMULA THAT IS TRIED-AND-TRUE FOR THE VENT. GREG: THERE IS. FOR EXAMPLE, PAUL VOLCKER, AND HE CAME INTO OFFICE,'S FORMULA WAS TO RAISE INTEREST RATES UNTIL THE ECONOMY KEELS OVER AND INFLATION FALLS. IT HAS NOT FEEL, IF NOT QUITE AS BAD AS THAT. EVEN AFTER SEVERAL INCREASES, THE FEDERAL FUNDS INTEREST RATES ARE STILL LOW. THERE IS TALK THEY WILL RAISE IT THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENTAGE POINT.

SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY WILL RAISE IT A FULL PERCENTAGE POINT. THE RATE WILL STILL BE BELOW 3%, WHICH IS BELOW THE RATE OF INFLATION. EVERYTHING WE KNOW TELLS US THE RATE HAS TO GET ABOVE THE RATE OF INFLATION TO START SLOWING THE ECONOMY DOWN. JUDY: IS IT CLEAR WHICH IS WORSE, RISING, RISING INFLATION, OR A RECESSION? IS IT CLEAR THAT A RECESSION IS TO BE AVOIDED AT ALL TOP -- AT ALL COST OR HIGHER INFLATION IS TO BE AVOIDED? GREG: NEITHER IS VERY PLEASANT. AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF BOTH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AND THEY DON'T WANT EITHER. FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE'S POINT OF VIEW, THE TRACES NOT FLATION OR RECESSION. IT IS DEAL WITH INFLATION NOW, EVEN IF IT INVOLVES A RECESSION, OR DEAL WITH IT LATER WHEN INFLATION IS HIGHER AND MORE ENTRENCHED, IN THE RECESSION WILL BE DEEPER. RECESSIONS ARE HARD ON THE PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR JOBS. BUT INFLATION IS HARD ON EVERYBODY, THOSE WHO LOSE THEIR JOBS AND THOSE WHO KEEP THEIR JOBS. ESPECIALLY THOSE ON LOWER INCOME JOBS, WHO SHARE THEIR BUDGET ON THINGS LIKE FOOD AND GASOLINE. JUDY: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING WHATEVER THE FED CAN DO

TO GET SOME KIND OF HOLD ON INFLATION IS GOING TO BE THE PRIORITY. GREG: I THINK WHAT WE CAN SAY IN THE PAST, IS WHEN INFLATION WAS AROUND 2%, SOMETIMES IT WAS TOO LOW. THE FED HAVE THE LUXURY TO DO EVERYTHING IT COULD TO AVOID A RECESSION. IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY TODAY. THEY DON'T WANT A RECESSION. BUT IF THE ONLY WAY TO GET INFLATION BACK DOWN IS TO RAISE INTEREST RATES, SLOW DEMAND, AND HAVE A RECESSION, THAT SEEMS TO BE A PRICE THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY. THEY ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT BUT THEY DON'T SEE A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES. JUDY: SOBERING. I NEED TO HEAR IT. GREG IP, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREG: THANK YOU, JUDY. JUDY: IN THE DAY'S OTHER NEWS, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS IN ISRAEL TONIGHT, KICKING OFF HIS FIRST MIDDLE EAST TOUR AS PRESIDENT. AS HE ARRIVED, HE DECLARED THE U.S. AND ISRAEL HAVE "A BONE DEEP BOND." HE WAS BRIEFED ON MISSILE DEFENSES AND LAID A WREATH AT THE NATION'S HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL.

HE HEADS TO SAUDI ARABIA LATER THIS WEEK. WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK, AFTER THE NEWS SUMMARY. UKRAINE AND RUSSIA TODAY HELD THEIR FIRST DIRECT TALKS IN MONTHS. THIS TIME, ON RESUMING GRAIN SHIPMENTS THROUGH THE BLACK SEA. A RUSSIAN BLOCKADE HAS RAISED THE RISK OF STARVATION IN COUNTRIES DEPENDENT ON THE GRAIN. OFFICIALS FROM THE TWO SIDES MET IN ISTANBUL, TURKEY -- TURKIYE, TODAY WITH U.N. REPRESTATIVES. LATER, THE U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL CALLED IT AN IMPORTANT STEP. >> WE ARE HOPING WE WILL BE ABLE TO RECONVENE VERY SOON. I'M SURE NEXT WEEK, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A FINAL AGREEMENT. BUT AS I SAID, WE STILL NEED A LOT OF GOODWILL AND COMMITMENT BY ALL PARTIES. JUDY: RUSSIA FORCES ENTERED THE UKRAINIAN CITY OF SIVERS'K, IN THEIR CAMPAIGN TO CAPTURE MUCH OF EASTERN UKRAINE. POLITICAL TURMOIL IN SRI LANKA GREW EVEN WORSE TODAY.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE ISLAND NATION IN THE INDIAN OCEAN, FLED THE COUNTRY AND TRIED TO MAKE HIS PRIME MINISTER THE ACTING PRESIDENT. WITH THAT, THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS STORMED THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE. THEY BRAVED TEAR GAS FIRED BY POLICE AND DEMANDED CHANGE TO REBUILD A COLLAPSED ECONOMY. >> THIS IS NOT A STRUGGLE THAT SPREADS HATE. THIS IS A PEACEFUL STRUGGLE. THE WHOLE WORLD MUST SEE THIS AS A PEACEFUL PROTEST BECAUSE THEY ARE GHTING FOR THE FUTURE OF CHILDREN. CHILDREN HAVE NOTHING TO EAT. THERE IS NO FUEL IN THE COUNTRY. JUDY: DESPITE THE CHAOS, THE PRIME MINISTER INSISTED HE WILL NOT STEP DOWN UNTIL A NEW GOVERNMENT IS NAMED. IT'S NOT CLEAR WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN. PROTESTS OVER FUEL SHORTAGES IN HAITI SHUT DOWN ROADS IN PORT-AU-PRINCE TODAY. A WAR BETWEEN RIVAL GANGS HAS FORCED A KEY FUEL TERMINAL TO CLOSE AND MOST GAS STATIONS HAVE STOPPED WORKING, TOO. AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE VIOLENCE, AND THOUSANDS MORE HAVE NO FOOD OR WATER.

BACK IN THIS COUNTRY, THE FDA GAVE EMERGENCY AUTHORIZATION TO THE NOVAVAX VACCINE FOR COVID-19. IF THE CDC ALSO AGREES, THE TWO DOSE SERIES WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE OVER THE AGE OF 18. THIS IS THE FOURTH VACCINE THAT THE FDA HAS APPROVED FOR ADULTS IN THE U.S. IN THIS COUNTRY, WALL STREET TOOK AN EARLY TUMBLE ON THE INFLATION NEWS. BUT ENDED WITH MORE MODEST LOSSES. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAVE UP 208 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 30,772. TO NASDAQ FELL 17 POINTS. . THE S&P 500 ALSO SLIPPED 17. STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR", A NEW, FAST-SPREADING COVID VARIANT PROMPTS HIGHER INFECTION AND RE-INFECTION RATES. EDUCATOR MARY MCLEOD BETHUNE BECOMES THE FIRST BLACK AMERICAN HORED IN THE U.S. CAPITOL'S STATUARY HALL. A UKRANIAN JAZ DISCUSSES THE IMPACT THEUSSIAN INVASION HAS HAD ON HIS WORK.

PLUS MUCH MORE. >> THIS IS THE PBS NEWSHOUR FROM -- >> THIS IS THE PBS NEWSHOUR FROM WETA STUDIOS IN WASHINGTON AND IN THE WEST FROM THE WALTER CRONKITE SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY. JUDY: AS WE REPORTED, PRESIDENT BIDEN ARRIVED IN ISRAEL TODAY, THE BEGINNING OF A 4-DAY MIDDLE EAST TRIP THAT WILL ALSO TAKE HIM TO SAUDI ARABIA. MUCH OF TODAY'S FOCUS WAS ON ISELIS -- ISRAEL'S MILITARY, AND REGIONAL COOPERATION AGAINST IRAN. BUT AS NICK SCHIFRIN REPORTS, PRESIDENT BIDEN ALSO BEGAN HIS TRIPWITH A VISIT TO A SOLEMN SITE. NICK: IT IS ONE OF ISRAEL'S MOST SACRED SPACES, THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM ALL OF MY MEMBER AND'S -- HALL OF REMEMBRANCE. ETCHED WITH THE NAMES OF NAZI MURDER SITES. PRESIDENT BIDEN EMBRACED AMERICAN ISRAELI HOLOCAUST

SURVIVORS. HE PAUSED ABOVE THE CRYPT FULL OF ASHES OF HOLOCAUST VICTIMS. "NEVER AGAIN" SAY THE U.S. AND ISRAEL, AS ISRAEL HAS TRIED TO GUARANTEE ITSELF. IT DEMONSTRATED FOR THE PRESIDENT ITS NEWEST MILITARY TECHNOLOGY. AN AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM USES LASERS TO SHOOT DOWN MISSILES. ISRAEL'S PRIMARY CONCERN IS IRAN. IN AN INTERVIEW RELEASED TONIGHT, PRESIDENT BIDEN WARNED IRAN THE MILITARY OPTION WAS ON THE TABLE. >> YOU SAY THAT YOU WILL ENSURE IRAN WILL NOT ACQUIRE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD USE FORCE AGAINST IRAN? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? PRES. BIDEN: AS A LAST RESORT, YES. NICK: PRESIDENT BIDEN WANTSN IRANIAN NUCLEAR DEAL OVER ISRAELI CONCERNS, BUT HE EMPHASIZED HIS SUPPORT FOR ISRAELI SECURITY. PRES. BIDEN: BECAUSE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ISRAELI PEOPLE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS BONE DEEP. WE HAVE A REAL FORMED THE UNSHAKABLE COMMITMENT TO THE UNITED STATES TO ISRAEL'S

SECURITY. NICK: ONE OF ISRAEL'S MOST CRITICAL POINTS WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY IS HERE, ITS NORTHERN BORDER WITH LEBANON. ISRAEL HAS BUILT THIS WALL WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. ON THE OTHERS HAD HAS OBAMA, AND IT IS 130,000 ROCKETS. IN LEBANON, THE POLITICAL AND MILITARY POWER. IT HAS FOUGHT TWO WARS WITH ISRAEL AND ISRAEL SAYS IT CONTINUES TO FIRE AND DEPLOY ADVANCED MISSILES WITH IRANIAN TECHNOLOGY ON THE BORDER. INCLUDING ISRAELI TOWNS. BETWEEN THE COUNTRIES, A SINGLE BARREL THAT MARKS THE LINE OF THE U.N. BUFFER ZONE. TODAY, ISRAELI TROOPS PATROL ALONG THE BORDER. THE BARBED WIRE IS ISRAEL, A FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY IS THE HAS BALA SHACK. MEMBERS HID FROM OUR CAMERA, THE GROUP CALLS THIS AN OFFICE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. >> WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS A HAS BELLA INTELLIGENCE CONNECTION CENTER AND IT IS THERE IN ORDER TO MONITOR ISRAELI ACTIVITY AND

TO COLLECT INTELLIGENCE ON EVERYTHING ON THE ISRAELI BORDER. NICK: JONATHAN IS AN ACTIVE RESERVES AND IS THE IDF'S FORMER INTERNATIONAL SPOKESMAN. OUR INTERVIEW WAS ARRANGED BY THE IBF. >>>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 95% OF THE ISRAELI -- THEY HAVE 130,000 ROCKETS HIDDEN BEHIND LEBANESE CIVILIANS AND ALL OF THEM, AIMED OR IN THE FUTURE WILL BE AIMED AT ISRAELI CIVILIANS. NICK: THERE IS A NEW WAVE OF TENSION, THE MARITIME ORDER BETWEEN ISRAEL AND LEBANON, NEAR A GAS FIELD THAT ISRAEL CONSIDERS VITAL TO ITS FUTURE SECURITY. LAST WEEK, UNMANNED HEZBOLLAH DRONES APPROACHED THE FIELD. . THE ISRAELI MILITARY SHOT THEM DOWN. HERE ON THE COAST CLOSEST TO THE GAS FIELD, ISRAEL KNOWS THE THREAT IS GROWING THANKS TO IRANIAN TECHNOLOGY. >> STANDARD LEVEL PROVIDED BY IRAN. IRAN HAS A VAST, DEEP, AND VERY DEVELOPED UAV INDUSTRY. TODAY, THERE ARE IRANIAN UAV'S'S

IN YEMEN, SYRIA, LEBANON, IRAQ, AND IRAN. NICK: THAT IS SPREADING -- THAT'SPREADING, WHICH ISRAEL AND THE U.S. ARE EAGER TO EXPAND. >> DURING YOUR VISIT, WE WILL DISCUSS MATTERS OF NATIONAL SECURITY. WE WILL DISCUSS BUILDING A NEW SECURITY ARCHITECTURE WITH THE NATION'S OF THE MIDDLE EAST. NICK: ISRAEL HOPES THAT ARCHITECTURE RUNS THROUGH JERUSALEM. THEY HAVE THE MILITARY TECHNOLOGY, THANKS TO U.S. SUPPORT, BUT WHAT THEY ARE HOPING ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS IS PRESIDENT BIDEN'S TRIP TO SAUDI ARABIA CREATES MORE POLITICAL SUPPORT FOR MORE REGIONAL INTEGRATION BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THEIR ARAB NEIGHBORS. JUDY: YOU MENTIONED REGIONAL COOPERATION. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS HAPPENING? NICK: THE KEY THERE IS AIR DEFENSE. IN ORDER TO HAVE REGIONAL AIR DEFENSE, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE INSTANTLY AND DIGITALLY. I TALKED TO A FORMER SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL WHO HAS BEEN

IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS EFFORT. THIS OFFICIAL SAID THAT THEY WERE MAKING PROGRESS. THEY HELD SOME EXERCISES REGIONALLY, THEY SHARED DATA, AND THEY SAID THAT THERE ARE COUNTRIES COOPERATING FULLY. JORDAN, BAHRAIN, EGYPT, AND ISRAEL. SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES HAVE NOT BEEN COMMUNICATING AS MUCH AS THEY NEED TO. KUWAIT AND IRAQ ARE ACTIVELY RESISTING. THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET THE KIND OF INTEGRATED DEFENSE AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO, THAT ISRAEL IS HOPING FOR. BUT AGAIN, ISRAEL AND THE U.S. BELIEVE THE MOMENTUM IS POSITIVE. JUDY: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM U.S. OFFICIALS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN? NICK: THOSE COMMENTS WE SAW IN THE STORY AT THE TOP THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN MADE THIS EVENING, THAT MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN COULD BE THE LAST RESORT, U.S. OFFICIALS INSIST THAT IS NOT A NEW MESSAGE OR A NEW CHANGE IN POLICY. THEY CITE EXAMPLES FROM

SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN TALKING ABOUT MILITARY RESORT, MILITARY ACTION BEING THE LAST RESORT. CLEARLY, THE TIMING OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE VITAL, AS PRESIDENT BIDEN ARRIVES IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR THE FIRST TIME AS PRESIDENT. REGIONAL ACTORS WILL SEE THOSE COMMENTS, AND THOSE COMMENTS WILL BE REASSURING TO ISRAELI OFFICIALS, DESPITE THAT ONGOING DISAGREEMENT OVER WHETHER THE U.S. AND IRAN SHOULD SIGN ANOTHER NUCLEAR DEAL. JUDY: CERTAINLY THEY CAUGHT OUR ATTENTION. NICK SCHIFRIN, REPORTING FROM ISRAEL. THANK YOU, NICK. NICK: THANK YOU. JUDY: THERE ARE NOW LESS THAN FOUR MONTHS UNTIL THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY. AND DEMOCRATS ARE FACING SERIES OF HEADWINDS, FROM INFLATION TO GUN VIOLENCE TO ABORTION RIGHTS, THAT ARE DRAGGING DOWN THE MOOD -- AFFECTING THE ATTITUDE OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.

MEANTIME AS WE HAVE REPORTED, A NEW NEW YORK TIMES SIENA COLLEGE POLL OUT THIS WEEK SHOWS 60% OF VOTERS, INCLUDING A QUARTER OF DEMOCRATS, DISAPPROVE OF THE JOB PRESIDENT BIDEN IS DOING. LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ HAS MORE ON THAT DEMOCRATIC DISCONTENT. LAURA: JUDY, DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S LOW APPROVAL RATINGS, THAT SAME POLL SHOWS THE PICTURE MAY NOT BE AS BLEAK FOR DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES. VOTERS ARE EVENLY DIVIDED ON WHICH PARTY SHOULD CONTROL CONGRESS AFTER THE MIDTERMS. TO DISCUSS HOW DEMOCRATS ARE FEELING ABOUT THIS ELECTION YEAR, I AM JOINED BY CELINDA LAKE. SHE IS THE PRESIDENT OF KE RESEARCH PARTNERS, A DEMOCRATIC POLLING GROUP THAT REGULARLY CONDUCTS FOCUS GROUPS WITH VOTERS. SHE WAS AN ADVISOR FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN 2020 CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. LET'SOOK BEYOND THE NUMBERS. YOU ARE TALKING TO DEMOCRATS AND NEW VOTERS IN THESE FOCUS GROUPS. IT HAS BEEN THREE WEEKS SINCE ROME WAS OVERTURNED. THERE IS A NEW GUN LAW. WHY ARE PRESIDENT BIDEN'S APPROVAL RATINGS STUCK?

CELINDA: DEMOCRATS ARE STARTING TO SEE FAVORABLE MOVEMENT. I THINK IT IS ALWAYS SLOW. THE PRESIDENTIAL NUMBERS ARE ALWAYS SLOWER TO MOVE. THE PRESIDENTIAL NUMBERS ARE VERY TIED TO THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION IS STILL A BIG PROBLEM. PEOPLE DON'T EXPECT THEIR CONGRESS PERSON TO SOLVE THE ECONOMY. THE -- THEY DO EXPECT THEIR PRESIDENT TO SOLVE THE ECONOMY. INCLUDING THEIR OWN PERSONAL S PRICES AND THE PRICE FOR SKIRT STEAK AND THEIR GROCERY STORE -- AT THEIR GROCERY STORE. I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THE CONGRESSIONAL RACES, PEOPLE ARE VOTING A LOT MORE, THEIR LOCAL ISSUES AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THEIR STATES. THEY ARE VOTING THINGS THAT HAVE CLEAR DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES AND THERE IS NO CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW THAN OPINIONS ON OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE, AND ACCESS TO ABORTION AND BIRTH CONTROL FOR WOMEN. LAURA: YOU MENTIONED ROE. WHAT ARE VOTERS SAYING ABOUT WHAT APPEARS TO SOME WITHIN HIS

PARTY, A CAUTIOUS APPROACH BY PRESIDENT BIDEN IN TERMS OF EXECUTIVE ACTIONS TO EXPAND ABORTION ACCESS AS WELL AS SHIELD PATIENTS? CELINDA: VOTERS DON'T SEE IT AS CAUTIOUS. VOTERS SEE THE PRESIDENT AS BEING VERY VOCAL. AND THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL AS WELL. NOTHING IS PENETRATING RIGHT NOW. THERE IS SO MUCH NOISE OUT THERE. IT IS HARD TO BREAK THROUGH. WHEN YOU RELAY WHAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT HAVE BEEN DOING, WHAT THEY HAVE SAID THEY WILL TRY TO DO, THAT THEY WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE FILIBUSTER TO CODIFY ROE, THAT THEY ARE APPLYING EVERY LEVEL AT THEIR DISPOSAL, PEOPLE ARE IMPRESSED WITH THAT AGENDA. PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT CAN STILL BE DONE WITH THIS REALLY DRAMATIC AND OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM DECISION. THEY WANT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION CARE, ACTION TO BIRTH CONTROL, ACTION TO SAFE AND LEGAL AND NONINTRUSIVE MISCARRIAGE CARE.

THEY ARE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE. THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NOW TO MARRIAGE EQUALITY. WHAT HAPPENS TO INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE. WHERE ARE WE GOING NEXT? LAURA: ON ANOTHER ISSUE, OF INFLATION, A BIG ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS HEADING INTO THE MIDTERMS, CONSUMER PRICES ARE UP 9.1% SINCE LAST YEAR. THAT IS DRIVEN BY FOOD PRICES UP 12%, THE COST OF HOUSING IS UP NEARLY 6%. IS THIS DRAGGING DOWN DEMOCRATS? AND WHAT DO VOTERS WANT THEM TO DO ABOUT IT? CELINDA: VOTERS WANT TO HEAR FROM DEMOCRATS ON IT TO BEGIN WITH. VOTERS ARE VERY CONCERNED WHEN DEMOCRATS WERE SAYING, THIS WAS GOING TO BE TEMPORARY INFLATION, OUR TRANSITIONAL INFLATION. AND VOTERS WOULD SAY THINGS LIKE, WHAT PLANET ARE THESE ECONOMISTS LIVING ON? I'M NOT GETTING A TRANSITORY WAGE INCREASE TO DEAL WITH MY TRANSITORY INFLATION. FIRST THING IS TO RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEM, ANDOU DON'T HAVE A DEMOCRAT OUT THERE WHO IS NOT

ARTICULATE ON THIS PRODUCT -- THIS PROBLEM. THEN USING ALL THE TOOLST THEIR DISPOSAL TO DEAL WITH INFLATION, WHETHER IT IS SUPPLY ISSUES AND BABY FORMULA, WHETHER IT IS OPENING UP PETROLEUM RESERVES, WHETHER IT IS GOING AFTER PRICE GOUGING ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. THEY WANT ACTION. IN THE END, I THINK WE CAN ONLY BATTLE TO BE EVEN ON THE ECONOMY. THE WINNING ISSUES FOR THE FALL ARE GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE GUN VIOLENCE AND VOTING RIGHTS AND ROE V. WADE. LAURA: I WANT TO COVER TWO MORE QUICK TOPICS WITH YOU. THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS HAVE PROVIDED NEW EVIDENCE ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EFFORTS TO PRESSURE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS, EVEN HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT TO OVERTURN THE 2020 ELECTION RESULTS. ARE THESE REVELATIONS COMING UP IN YOUR FOCUS GROUPS WITH A DEMOCRATIC OR INDEPENDENT VOTERS? CELINDA: THEY REALLY ARE. THEY ARE COMING UP WITH THE DEMOCRATS A LOT. 65% OF VOTERS ARE AWARE OF THE HEARINGS. AND AT LEAST AWARE OF SOME OF

THE FINDINGS FROM THE HEARINGS. AMONG INDEPENDENT VOTERS, IT IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER. 71%. THAT IS UNHEARD OF. YOU NEVER HAVE INDEPENDENTS PAY MORE ATTENTION THEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO WHAT IS GOING ON. VOTERS THINK IT IS. 82% OF VOTERS WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. AND THEY ARE FURIOUS ABOUT THE WI OF THE PEOPLE BEING OVERTURNED. JANUARY 6 IS JUST THE BEGINNING. THAT ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY WAS THE BEGINNING OF OVERTURNING ELECTIONS, OVERTURNING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE'S POSTS, AND NOW WE HAVE ROEM OVERTURNING PEOPLE'S WILL THERE, WITH VOTERS OPPOSING THE DECISION. THIS IS A VERY BIG ISSUE AND IT HAS PENETRATED WAY MORE THAN ANYONE WOULD HAVE IMAGINED LAURA: DESPITE THOSE ISSUES YOU MENTIONED THAT COULD VERY WELL POTENTIALLY MOTIVATE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, RECENT POLLING SHOWS A MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT PRESIDENT BIDEN TO BE THE NOMINEE IN 2024. ARE THEY NAMING ANY ALTERNATIVES?

CELINDA: I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY FLAWED. IT IS A REALLY SILLY QUESTION. IN SOME WAYS, -- FIRST OF ALL, PEOPLE ARE NOT NAMING ALTERNATIVES. SECONDLY, A DEMOCRAT -- THREE QUARTERS OR BETTER. THIRDLY, VOTERS ALMOST SAY IT IN THE SENSE OF, IT IS A REALLY HARD JOB, AND MAYBE I WILL OFFER HIM A RETIREMENT BECAUSE IT WILL BE EASIER ON HIM, NOT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US. THOSE QUESTIONS ARE EXTREMELY FLAWED. I THINK WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS DEMOCRATS UNITING BEHIND THE PRESIDENT AND SUPPORTING HIS AGENDA OVERWHELMINGLY. LAURA: CELINDA LAKE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY. CELINDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUDY: THANK YOU, LAURA. WE WILL SPEAK WITH A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST ABOUT THESE AND SIMILAR TOPICS IN COMING DAYS. A NEW CORONAVIRUS VARIANT, BA.5, IS FUELING YET ANOTHER WAVE OF

COVID INFECTIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE, -- GLOBE. THIS WEEK, THE CDC SAID BA.5 IS NOW THE DOMINANT STRAIN IN THE U.S., ACCOUNTING FOR MORE THAN 60% OF CASES. AND AS WILLIAM BRANGHAM EXPLAINS, IT IS THE MOST TRANSMISSIBLE VARIANT TO DATE. WILLIAM: JUDY, BA.5 HAS PROVEN TO BE A VERY WILY VARIANT, ABLE TO AT TIMES SLIP PAST SOME OF OUR CURRENT DEFENSES. THE PROTECTIONS WE GET FROM VACCINES, AND FROM PREVIOUS INFECTIONS. THIS IS DRIVING A LOT OF RE-INFECTIONS, EVEN AMONG PEOPLE WHO RECENT HAD COVID. ACCORDING TO THE CDC, ALMOST 90% OF THE COUNTRY LIVES IN AN AREA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF TRANSMISSION. ON TOP OF THAT, THE U.'S BOOSTER CAMPAIGN IS LAGGING, JUST ONE IN THREE ELIGIBLE PUT PEOPLE -- ELIGIBLE PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN THERE FIRST AND JUST ONE IN HAVE THEIR SECOND. FOURSO WHAT DOES BA.5'S DOMINANCE MEAN FOR OUR ONGOING

FIGHT AGAINST THIS VIRUS? I'M JOINED AGAIN BY CARDIOLOGIST DR. ERIC TOPOL. HE IS A PROFESSOR OF MOLECULAR MEDICINE, AND FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR OF THE SCRIPPS RESEARCH TRANSLATIONAL INSTITUTE. GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. BA.5 IS HERE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARGUING WELL, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THAT DEADLY, AND DOES NOT SEEM TO BE DRIVING THAT MANY PEOPLE INTO THE HOSPITAL. IS THERE SOME COMFORT TO BE TAKEN IN THE? IS THAT TRUE? DR. TOPOL: IT IS INDEED, TRUE. THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE AN IMMUNITY WALL FROM ALL OF THE PRIOR VACCINATIONS AND INFECTIONS AND THOSE COMBINATIONS AND BOOSTERS. IT IS NOT HAVING THE EFFECT WE SAW WITH THE FIRST OMICRON, BA.1. THE PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THE ADDED MUTATIONS THAT THE BA.5 HAS, ON TOP OF WHAT WAS BA.1 AND TWO AND 212.1, IT HAS MORE MUTATIONS WHICH MAKES IT AN ESCAPE ARTIST.

. THAT IS OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM DOES NOT RECOGNIZE IT LIKE WE DID THE PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE VIRUS. THAT IS WHY SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD BA.1 IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, ARE GETTING BA.5 HERE IN JULY. THIS REINFECTION IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT SIGNATURE OF IMMUNE ESCAPE. IT IS THE MOST REINFECTIONS WE HAVE SEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, BECAUSE IT IS THE MOUNTAIN -- THE MOST IMMUNE ESCAPE OF ANY VARIANT. WILLIAM: HOW SHOULD WE BE APPROACHING THIS? I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE WAY THE CDC HAS BEEN RESPONDING TO THIS. WHAT OUGHT WE BE DOING THAT WE ARE NOT DOING RIGHT NOW? DR. TOPOL: THERE IS A LOT WE CAN DO MORE. AS WAS EMPHASIZED IN THE BRIEFING YESTERDAY BY THE WHITE HOUSE TEAM AND THE CDC AND NIH, WE HAVE TO GET THE BOOSTERS WAY UP FROM WHERE THEY ARE. THE HIGH RISK PEOPLE, OVER AGE 50, ONLY ONE IN FOUR IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE HAD A FOURTH SHOT.

AND OF ALL AMERICANS, ONLY ONE IN THREE HAVE HAD A BOOSTER AT ALL, WHICH IS 67TH IN THE WORLD. THE COUNTRIES LIKE SRI LANKA AND RWANDA, IRAN. I MEAN, IT IS REALLY EMBARRASSING. WE WERE THE ONES THAT MANUFACTURED, VALIDATED THESE VACCINES IN RERD TIME, AND HERE WE ARE NOT USING THIS AS OUR PROTECTION. AND THAT IS ALSO THE ISSUES OF THE CDC ABOUT OUR ISOLATION PERIODS. IF ANYTHING, WHERE THEY SAY FIVE DAYS AND YOU WERE GOOD TO GO IF YOU DON'T HAVE SYMPTOMS, IF ANYTHING, WITH BA.5, IT MAY WELL BE EXTENDING. BUT THE MEDIAN INFECTION AFTER COVID IS FIVE DAYS. NOT FIVE DAYS ISOLATION. THAT IS THE MEDIAN. 10 PEOPLE OUT AFTER FIVE DAYS, THE CDC IS IGNORING THAT. STILL TODAY, THE CDC COUNTS FULLY VACCINATED AS TWO DOSES. AND FOR A YEAR NOW, WE HAVE

KNOWN THE IMPORTANCE OF BOOSTERS, EVEN BACK TO THE DELTA VARIANT, AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN THE PRINCIPAL MESSAGE, A LIFE-SAVING POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE AT RISK. ESPECIALLY BY THE CDC. WILLIAM: HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT THIS DRUG, PAXLOVID. IT DID NOT TURN OUT TO BE A PREVENTATIVE, BUT IT DID SHOW PROMISE IN STOPPING PEOPLE WHO WERE INFECTED FROM GETTING VERY, VERY SICK. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF SUBSEQUENT COMPLICATIONS ABOUT IT, AND SLOW ROLLOUT OF THE USE OF THAT. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT DRUG? WILLIAM: IT IS -- DR. TOPOL: IT IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE TRIUMPHS OF THE PANDEMIC. IT WENT FROM DESIGNING A NEW DRUG TO HAVING IT VALIDATED WITH ALMOST A 90% REDUCTION OF HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS. USUALLY THAT TAKES MANY YEARS. IT WAS VERY HIGH VELOCITY VALIDATED. THE PROBLEM IS WHAT WAS NOT SEEN IN THE TRIALS IS BEING SEEN NOW AS THIS FREQUENT REBOUND WHERE PEOPLE TAKE IT FOR FIVE DAYS,

THEY GET MUCH BETTER, THAN A COUPLE DAYS LATER, IT STARTS BACK UP WITH ALL OF THE SYMPTOMS AND INFECTIOUSNESS. THE REBOUND PROBLEM IS LIKELY TIED TO THE FACT THAT THE OMICRON VARIANTS WERE NOT THE ONES THAT WERE TESTED WHEN THE TRIALS WERE CONDUCTED. SO WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW IF WE SHOULD USE LONGER 10 DAYS, INSTEAD OF FIVE DAYS. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. WILLIAM: ONE LAST QUESTION, AND I HAVE TRAVELED A FAIR AMOUNT AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND ALMOST EVERYWHERE WE GO, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THIS VIRUS IS EVERYWHERE, PEOPLE HAVE MOVED ON. MASKS ARE INCREASINGLY UNCOMMON. BARS AND RESTAURANTS ARE CROWDED. AIRPLANES ARE CROWDED AGAIN. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN, AND THIS IDEA THAT WE NEED -- THIS IDEA OF PEOPLE TAKING BOOSTERS OR PUTTING THEIR MASKS BACK ON, IT FEELS LIKE THE COUNTRY IS NOT THERE. WILLIAM: YOUR APPS -- DR. TOPOL: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S SAD.

WE HAVE CAPITULATED TO THE VIRUS BASICALLY. OUR FATIGUE AND TRYING TO WILL IT AWAY JUST DOES NOT WORK, BECAUSE THE VIRUS CONTINUES TO EVOLVE. WE HAVE NOT HAD THE ABILITY TO CONTAIN IT. IT IS VERY LIKELY THINGS WILL GET WORSE BECAUSE OF OUR UNWILLINGNESS TO TRY AND KEEP UP OUR GUARD. YOU EITHER HAVE TO GO AGGRESSIVE, WHICH WE ARE NOT, OR YOU SURRENDER, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE. WILLIAM: DR. ERIC TOPOL, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. DR. TOPOL: THANK YOU. JUDY: LONG BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED TO OVERTURN ROE V. WADE, POLAND WAS REWRITING RULES ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. POLAND HAS SOME OF EUROPE'S STRICTEST ABORTION LAWS, AND FURTHER CURBS IN RECENT YEARS HAVE LED TO MASS PROTESTS. BUT MANY IN THE HISTORICALLY CATHOLIC NATION ARE STAUNCH

SUPPORTERS OF GOVERNMENT POLICY. NOW, WHAT IS A EUROPEAN FIRST, ONE ACTIVIST IN POLAND IS NOW FACING JAIL TIME FOR HELPING ANOTHER WOMAN TERMINATE AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT ROSIE BIRCHARD REPORTS. ROSIE: POLAND, HOME TO SOME 20 MILLION WOMEN AND GIRLS, HAS THE LOWEST OFFICIAL ABORTION RATE IN THE EUROPEAN UNION. FOR THOSE WHO FIND THEMSELVES FACING AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY, THERE ARE FEW PLACES TO TURN TO FIND AN OFFICIAL WAY OUT. FROM THIS WARSAW APARTMENT, THIS IS A LIFELINE FOR POLISH WOMEN LOOKING FOR LOOPHOLES IN THEIR COUNTRY'S BAN ON MOST ABORTIONS. SHE TELLS THEM HOW TO FIND PILLS ONLINE TO SELF ADMINISTER, OR TRAVEL TO CLINICS ABROAD, ACTIONS THAT FALL WITHIN THE GRAY ZONE OF POLAND'S RESTRICTIONS. >> PEOPLE WHO WANTED WANT TO DO ABORTIONS, THEY DIDN'T DISAPPEAR. THEY ARE HERE IN THIS COUNTRY BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND TO TALK OPENLY ABOUT

THEIR PLANS. ROSIE: BUT IN 2020, THE ACTIVIST BROKE THE LAW AND SENT ABORTION PILLS DIRECTLY TO A WOMAN WHO SAID SHE WAS TRAPPED IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP AND FEELING DESPERATE. SOMETHING SHE HERSELF ONCE EXPERIENCED. >> I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS GOING THROUGH. I KNEW EXACTLY HOW HARD IT WAS FOR HER TO FIGHT FOR HER DIGNITY, TO FIGHT FOR HER RIGHTS TO STOP THIS PREGNANCY. AND THAT THIS WAS MY ONLY MOTIVATION TO REALLY SHARE MY OWN PILLS WITH HER. ROSIE: THE 47-YEAR-OLD MOTHER OF THREE WAS REPORTED TO POLICE AND NOW FACES UP TO THREE YEARS BEHIND BARS FOR THE CRIMINAL OFFENCE OF AIDING ABORTION. IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY FOR WOMEN HERE IN WARSAW. UNDER COMMUNIST RULE DECADES AGO, ABORTION WAS BROADLY ACCESSIBLE. AT THE TIME, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS SEEN AS AN ALLY TO THE ANTI-COMMUNIST RESISTANCE, FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY.

>> CHURCH WAS THE OASIS OF FREEDOM, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, EXPRESSION OF ONE'S OWN IDEAS AND SO ON. SO, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 90S, THIS EXPERIENCE OF CHURCH I THINK, IT WAS VERY, QUITE ALIVE, QUITE VIVID AMONG PEOPLE. ROSIE: AS THE IRON CURTAIN FELL, THE CHURCH'S VIEW THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION GAINED POLITICAL GROUND. AROUND 90% OF POLES ARE CATHOLICS. IN 1993, ABORTION WAS DECLARED ILLEGAL, EXCEPT IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST, RISKS TO THE MOTHER'S HLTH, OR FOETAL DEFECTS. THEN IN 2020, POLAND'S CONSTITUTIONAL TRIBUNAL STRUCK DOWN THE EXCEPTION FOR FOETAL ABNORMALITIES, DESCRIBED BY THE COUNTRY'S ANTI-ABORTION RIGHTS MOVEMENT AS EUGENIC ABORTIONS. CHANTING PROMISES TO PROTECT THEIR SISTERS IF THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT, THOUSANDS TOOK TO THE STREETS TO DECRY WHAT THEY

CALLED DEFECTIVE TOTAL BAN -- A DE FACTO TOTAL BAN THAT COULD FORCE WOMEN TO CARRY TO TERM BABIES THAT WOULD NEVER SURVIVE. GYNECOLOGIST RAFAL KUZLIK SAYS THE SHIFT HAS LEFT SOME DOCTORS LIKE HIM STRUGGLING TO FIND OUT JUST WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT. >> WE ARE AFRAID OF DOING ANYTHING WHAT IS CALLED ABORTION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. EVEN IF WE SEE OKAY, IT IS LEGAL, SHOULD BE LEGAL, WE ARE AFRAID IF MAYBE SOMEONE TELLS US, NO, IT WASN'T LEGAL, YOU SHOULD CHECK IT. BUT WE HAVE NO TIME. SO WE ARE AFRAID TO DO IT SO WE SAY, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT DO IT FOR YOU. ROSIE: THE POLISH GOVERNMENT TOLD US IT ISSUED GUIDANCE TO MAKE CLEAR TO DOCTORS THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH THEY CAN FACILITATE TERMINATIONS AND URGED PRACTITIONERS TO BE UNAFRAID TO TAKE ACTION BASED ON THEIR MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE. A LAWMAKER SAYS HIS COUNTRY'S RULES REFLECT SOCIETAL VALUES.

>> POLISH LAW IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATIC STATES 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE WE HAVE STILL THIS CLASSIC UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN RIGHTS. RIGHT TO LIFE EXTENDS TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HEALTHY, TO DISABLED PEOPLE AND WE SHOULD NOT EXCLUDE FROM THE RIGHT TO LIFE PEOPLE THAT ARE WEAKER. ROSIE: HE IS PART OF THE RULING W AND JUSTICE PARTY, WHICH WITH ITS ANTI-ABORTION RIGHTS STANCE, HAS SECURED A MAJORITY IN POLAND'S PARLIAMENT. ANOTHER SEISMIC SHIFT BEGAN HERE IN LATE FEBRUARY. MILLIONS OF UKRAINIANS HAVE ARRIVED IN TRAIN STATIONS LIKE THIS ONE, FLEEING RUSSIA'S WAR ACROSS THE BORDER. POLAND'S EFFORTS TO OFFER HOMES TO UKRAINIAN REFUGEES HAVE BEEN INTERNATIONALLY LAUDED. WELCOME POINTS LIKE THESE ARE HERE WAITING FOR THE NEW ARRIVALS, AND THEY ARE OFFERED QUICK ACCESS TO THE JOB MARKET, EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE. AMONG THEM ARE WOMEN SEEKING TO

END UNWANTED PREGNANCIES. THIS UNDER-THE-RADAR FAMILY PLANNING INFORMATION CENTRE SAYS IT HAS RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF ENQUIRIES FROM UKRAINIAN WOMEN, SOME OF WHOM SAY THEY WERE RAPED BY RUSSIAN SOLDIERS. IT'S THE LATEST FLASHPOINT IN A HEATED DEBATE. CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST KAJA GODEK HAS BEEN HANDING OUT FLYERS, PRINTED IN UKRAINIAN, TO SEND A MESSAGE TO REFUGEES. >> IT SAYS THAT ONCE YOU CROSS THE BORDER YOU ARE SAFE AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE SAFE TOO. IF ANYONE PRESSES YOU GO HAVE AN -- PRESSES YOU TO HAVE AN ABORTION, YOU HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE. ROSIE: THOUGH RAPE VICTIMS ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED ABORTIONS IN POLAND, GODEK QUESTIONS UKRAINIANS CLAIMS. >> EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE LAW THAT ALLOWS YOU TO KILL A BABY COMING FROM RAPE, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS A RAPE? MOST OF THE WOMEN DIDN'T COME FROM EASTERN UKRAINE, MOST OF THEM CAME FROM THE WESTERN PART AND THERE IS NO WAR THERE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING.

I THINK THAT FEMINISTS WERE TRYING TO USE THIS SITUATION TO CHANGE THE POLISH LAW SAYING THEY WERE HELPING UKRAINIANS. ROSIE: THE FOUNDATION FOR WOMEN AND FAMILY PLANNING SAYS ITS MISSION IS TO SUPPORT WOMEN IN NEED. >> POLISH LAW IS TOO RESTRICTIVE TO ALLOW TO HAVE AN ABORTION FOR A UKRAINIAN WOMAN WITHOUT SHAME, WITHOUT COMPLICATIONS WITHOUT LEGAL BARRIERS. WE DISCOVERED THAT UKRAINIAN WOMEN DON'T WANT TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THEIR WAR RAPES. THEY JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT THEIR UNWANTED PREGNANCY. ROSIE: CLASH HAS ALSO PUT POLAND ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION. ABORTION IS ACCESSIBLE IN 25 OUT OF 27 EU COUNTRIES, THOUGH GESTATIONAL TIME LIMITS VARY. ONLY THE TINY MEDITERRANEAN ISLAND NATION OF MALTA HAS STRICTER LAWS THAN POLAND. A MAJORITY OF EU LAWMAKERS VOTED TO CONDEMN POLAND'S ABORTION LAWS IN 2021 AND LAST WEEK, THE U.S. WAS NEXT ON THEIR LIST FOR

PUBLIC DENUNCIATION AFTER THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION LAST MONTH TO OVERTURN ROE V. WADE . >> IN THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, WOMEN HAVE NO RIGHT TO DECIDE OVER THEIR OWN BODIES. IT IS DECIDED UPON BY MEN, OLD MEN AT THAT, WHO ARE ENTRENCHED IN A MINDSET OF THE PAST. ROSIE: BACK IN WARSAW, JUSTYNA'S CRIMINAL CASE CARRIES ON AT COURT, AND THOUGH A CONVICTION MAY LOOM, HER CONVICTIONS REMAIN UNCHANGED. >> WHEN YOU HAVE RESTRICTIVE ABORTION LAWS, YOU ONLY HAVE MORE UNSAFE ABORTIONS. THAT'S IT. ROSIE: DR. TOPOL: -- ROSIE: FOR NOW, THE PHONE KEEPS RINGING AND JUSTYNA KEEPS PICKING UP. FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I AM ROSIE BIRCHARD IN WARSAW. JUDY: A NEW STATUE UNVEILED TODAY AT THE U.S. CAPITOL MARKS

A HISTORIC FIRST. CIVIL RIGHTS PIONEER MARY MCLEOD BETHUNE IS THE FIRST BLACK AMERICAN TO REPRESENT A STATE IN STATUARY HALL. CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS CELEBRATED THE UNVEILING AND THE THUNE'S -- AND BETHUNE'S LEGACY. >> HOW POETIC, THAT DOCTOR BETHUNE REPLACES A LITTLE KNOWN CONFEDERATE GENERAL, TRADING A TRAITOR FOR A CIVIL RIGHTS HERO IN THE CAPITOL OF THE UNITED STATES. >> DR. BETHUNE WASN'T JUST A GREAT FLORIDIAN. SHE WAS A GREAT AMERICAN. AN AMERICAN WHO REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT HER HUMBLE BEGINNINGS OR THE COLOR OF HER SKIN WERE A LIMIT ON HER DREAMS AND ON HER DESTINY, AN AMERICAN WHO IN THE FACE OF THE IGNORANCE, THE CRUELTY, AND THE PREJUDICE OF OTHERS, SHE REFUSED TO SURRENDER TO BITTERNESS, CYNICISM, OR DESPAIR. JUDY: LISA DESJARDINS HAS MORE ON THE UNVEILING. LISAACH STATE HAS TWO STATUES

: REPRESENTING THEM IN THE U.S. CAPITOL. FLORIDA LAWMAKERS VOTED TO REMOVE ONE OF THEIRS, A STATUE REPRESENTING A CONFEDERATE GENERAL AND REPLACE IT WITH A STATUE OF BETHUNE. JOINING ME NOW IS HER GRANDDAUGHTER, EVELYN BETHUNE. YOUR GRANDMOTHER IS ESPECIALLY KNOWN FOR HER PIONEERING AND RELENTLESS WORK IN EDUCATION. THAT IS WHY SHE IS DEPICTED IN THE U.S. CAPITOL IS WEARING A CABIN GOWN. SHE CREATED WHAT WOULD BECOME THE THUNE COOKMAN UNIVERSITY STARTING WITH $1.50. IT BECAME A HISTORICALLY BLACK UNIVERSITY. TELL US ABOUT WHAT SHE DID. EVELYN: I THINK THE KEY ELEMENT IS TO KNOW THAT IN ORDER FOR HER TO FOUND THE SCHOOL, SHE HAD TO BE A GREAT ORGANIZER AND FUNDRAISER. BETHUNE COOKMAN UNIVERSITY SITS ON WHAT WAS THE CITY GARBAGE DUMP, WHICH WAS THE ONLY LAND EY WOULD GIVE HER, LET HER PURCHASE DURING THAT TIME. BECAUSE WOMEN WERE NOT REALLY ALLOWED, WOMEN, BLACK OR WHITE, WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE, MAKE

MISS IT -- MAKE DECISIONS, UNLESS A MAN GIVE THEM PERMISSION, OR ASSISTED THEM. FOR HER TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY FOR $250, AND WORK OUT A DEAL, BECAUSE SHE ONLY HAD $1.50, WAS QUITE AMAZING FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. MY GRANDMOTHER TOOK THOSE SKILLS, AND SHE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS. WITH PEOPLE LIKE THE ROOSEVELTS, AND SHE MADE SURE THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO ORGANIZE COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE TO VOTE, ONCE THE VOTE WAS GIVEN TO WOMEN. SHE REGISTERED WOMEN TO VOTE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. SHE FOUNDED THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF NNEKA WOMEN, WHICH IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS MADE UP OF WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP IN THE ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES. AT ONE POINT, THEY HAD OVER 5 MILLION WOMEN IN THEIR MEMBERSHIP.

THAT IS A HUGE VOTING BLOCK. WITH THAT CARRIES A LOT OF POWER. LISA: WE MET EARLIER TODAY AT STATUARY HALL, AHEAD OF THE UNVEILING OF THE STATUE. AND THAT IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE. IT IS ALSO A PLACE WHERE THERE ARE STILL STATUES REPRESENTING CONFEDERATES. I JUST WONDER WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR YOU, THAT MOMENT WHEN HER STATUE WAS UNVEILED, LOOKING AT THAT PLACE, WHAT YOU THINK THAT MEANT FOR THE CAPITOL AND FOR OUR COUNTRY? EVELYN: FOR US AS A FAMILY, IT IS A POSITION OF PRIDE THAT IS VERY HUMBLING. WHEN WE THINK OF OUR GRANDMOTHER, OUR DESCENDANT BEING RT OF STATUARY HALL. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS THERE IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME, SINCE THEY LOST THE WAR. IT SPEAKS VOLUMES IN TERMS OF THE THINKING OF THE PEOPLE WHO PLACED IT THERE. HOW THEY STILL HOLD ON TO THE TENANTS OF ENSLAVEMENT AND UNEQUAL ACCESS.

MY GRANDMOTHER IS A REMINDER OF THE GOOD THAT COMES WHEN WE SHARE POWER, WHEN WE GIVE ACCESS TO EVERYONE, AND WHEN WE MADE VOTING ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE, EASILY. AND NOT MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT THAT YOU CAN'T GET REGISTERED, YOU CAN'T GET TO THE POLLS. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS ABOUT. THIS COUNTRY IS ABOUT FREEDOM. LISA: IT IS INTERESTING YOU TALK ABOUT THE POWER OF REPRESENTATION. IT WAS THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THAT DECIDED YOUR GRANDMOTHER WAS THE ONE TO REPRESENT THE STATE, TO CHANGE THE IMAGE IT PRESENTED AT THE CAPITAL. WE ALSO KNOW IN RECENT MONTHS, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR HAVE DECIDED THEY WANT TO LIMIT WHAT TEACHERS CAN ACTUALLY SAY IN CLASSROOMS ABOUT RACE AND ABOUT OUR HISTORY OF RACE. I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK THAT MEANS IN GENERAL FOR SOCIETY, BUT ALSO FOR YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S PLACE IN HISTORY.

EVELYN: MY GRANDMOTHER'S PLACE IN HISTORY IS SOLID. THERE IS VERY LITTLE THAT THEY CAN DO TO CHANGE HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS. UNLESS WE SIT BACK AND ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, WHICH IS NOT WHAT TO HAPPEN. IT IS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. ON ONE HAND, WE WANT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM TO CARRY WEAPONS. BUT ON THE OTHER, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ENSLAVEMENT. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, WE WILL TRY TO REPEAT IT. AND AMERICANS WHO RELISH AND CHERISH FREEDOM HAVE TO STAND UP. AND VOTE, AND REMOVE PEOPLE FROM OFFICE WHO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO BACK TO JIM CROW IN THE 1920'S. LISA: EVELYN BETHUNE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING WITH US WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT YOUR GRANDMOTHER. EVELYN: YOU'RE WELCOME. JUDY: AS THE FIGHTING IN UKRAINE CONTINUES, WE TAKE A MUSICAL

JOURNEY TO ODESA, UKRAINE'S HISTORIC PORT CITY ON THE BLACK SEA. IT IS A PERSONAL VISION OF A UKRAINIAN-BORN PIANIST, BUT ALSO A DEEPER LOOK AT THE CITY'S PAST AND PRESENT AMID WAR. JEFFREY BROWN HAS THE STORY FOR OUR ARTS AND CULTURE SERIES, CANVAS. JEFFREY: IT BEGINS AT THE HISTORIC RAILROAD STATION, ENTRYWAY TO THE CITY, AND YOU CAN HEAR THE TRAINS. VADIM NESELOVSKYI CALLS HIS NEW ALBUM "ODESSA: A MUSICAL WALK-THROUGH A LEGENDARY CITY." IT WAS WRITTEN TO HONOR HIS THER, WHO WAS DYING OF CANCER, AND HIS HOME CITY. >> IT'S AN EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M FROM, WHAT ARE MY ROOTS? BUT IT WAS JUST A STARTING POINT. I THINK IT EVOLVED INTO

SOMETHING BIGGER THAN THAT BECAUSE THEN MY LITERAL JOURNEY THROUGH MY HOMETOWN BECOMES AN IMAGINARY JOURNEY INTO THE HISTORY, INTO COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS, INTO, YOU KNOW, THE DARKEST SIDE OF ODESSA'S HISTORY. JEFFREY: NESELOVSKYI IS A JAZZ PIANIST AND COMPOSER WHO TEACHES AT THE BERKLEE COLLEGE OF MUSIC IN BOSTON, WHERE WE MET RECENTLY. IT'S ALSO THE PLACE HE FIRST STUDIED IN THE U.S. HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ODESSA INTO A JEWISH FAMILY DURING THE SOVIET ERA, AND AT 15 WAS THE YOUNGEST-EVER STUDENT TO BE -- TO ATTEND THE PRESTIGIOUS ODESSA CONSERVATORY OF MUSIC. HERE, HE EVOKES HIS WALKS TO SCHOOL, AS SNOW FELL. ♪ JEFFREY: IN UKRAINE TODAY, THE SOUNDS ARE DIFFERENT. NESELOVSKYI COMPOSED HIS PIECE BEFORE THE RUSSIAN INVASION

BEGAN ON FEBRUARY 24. >> THIS WAS ODESSA, ON THE BLACK SEAT -- BLACK SEED. JEFFREY: BUT ODESSA HAS KNOWN WAR BEFORE, AND ONE VIOLENT SECTION PORTRAYS THE HORRORS OF WORLD WAR II, WHEN ROMANIAN TROOPS UNDER NAZI GUIDANCE BRUTALIZED THE CITY AND ITS INHABITANTS, INCLUDING THE MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF JEWS. ♪ JEFFREY: FOR NESELOVSKYI, WHO REGULARLY PERFORMS IN UKRAINE AND MAINTAINS CLOSE TIES TO FRIENDS AND FELLOW MUSICIANS THERE, IT HAD A NEW RESONANCE. >> FEBRUARY 24TH CHANGED MY LIFE AND I THINK IT CHANGED MY LIFE FOREVER. IT'S JUST REALLY BEFORE AND AFTER, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. AND THEN I HAD TO ASK MYSELF, IS THIS MUSIC STILL RELEVANT? AND I REALIZED, YES, IT IS, BECAUSE THERE IS ENOUGH DRAMA IN THAT STORY THAT I CREATED.

MY DRAMA WAS BASED ON THE SECOND WORLD WAR, MEMORIES OF ODESSA. AND NOW WE HAVE VERY OFTEN THE SAME IMAGES THAT WE SAW FROM THE SECOND WORLD WAR, BUT NOW WE SEE THEM IN COLOR PHOTOGRAPHY AND VIDEOGRAPHY. JEFFREY: SO WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING THEM NOW, YOU ARE FEELING AND SEEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU DID WHEN YOU FIRST WROTE? >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK GOD I AM A JAZZ MUSICIAN, I GET TO IMPROVISE. I CANNOT PLAY WITHOUT IMAGINING THOSE THINGS MYSELF. IF I DON'T FEEL THOSE THINGS, YOU WON'T BE FEELING THEM. JEFFREY: NESOLOVSKYI IS A RARE MIX OF CLASSICALLY-TRAINED PIANIST AND BRILLIANT JAZZ IMPROVISER. A MUSICAL OMNIVORE FOR WHOM DIFFERENT SOUNDS HAVE ALWAYS FLOWED TOGETHER. >> IT WAS ALWAYS ONE THING. IT WAS THIS OCEAN OF CREATIVITY IN

SOUND, AND IT COULD COME FROM KEITH JARRETT, IT COULD COME FROM JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH, IT COULD COME FROM PAUL MCCARTNEY OR JONI MITCHELL. JEFFREY: I MEAN, I HEAR ALL OF THEM IN YOUR MUSIC, RIGHT. YOU WANT ME TO HEAR THEM? >> I WANT YOU TO HEAR THEM, YES. ♪ JEFFREY: THE FINAL SECTION OF THIS OWED TO ODESSA SPEAKS TO THE FLOWERING THAT HAD BEEN TAKING PLACE IN RECENT YEARS, WITHIN AN INDEPENDENT AND DEMOCRATIC UKRAINE. NOW, IT TOO, HOLDS NEW MEANING. >> I SAW IT AS A SIGN OF RENAISSANCE. AS A SIGN OF HOPE FOR MY CITY. BUT OF COURSE, AFTER FEBRUARY 24, AFTER THIS HORRIBLE WAR STARTED, I ALSO PLAY THIS MUSIC AS A PRAYER FOR PEACE AND FOR MY HOME COUNTRY, FOR UKRAINE.

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