PBS NewsHour; May 4, 2011 7:00pm-8:00pm EDT

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>> Woodruff: PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL NOT RELEASE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWING A DEAD OSAMA BIN LADEN SAYING THAT WOULD CREATE A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK. GOOD EVENING, I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. AND I'M JEFFREY BROWN. ON THE "NEWSHOUR" TONIGHT, RAY SUAREZ GETS REACTION TO THE DECISION NOT TO MAKE THE VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES PUBLIC.

>> Woodruff: AND WE ASSESS WHAT THE AL QAEDA LEADER'S DEATH MEANS FOR THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.

>> Brown: THEN, FEMA CHIEF CRAIG FUGATE UPDATES THE RECOVERY EFFORTS, AFTER DEADLY TORNADOES AND FLOODING RAVAGED THE SOUTH AND MIDWEST.

>> Woodruff: FROM LIBYA, ALEX THOMPSON OF INDEPENDENT TELEVISION NEWS HAS THE STORY OF AN AID SHIP THAT DEFIED A DEADLY ATTACK TO RESCUE MIGRANT WORKERS AND REFUGEES.

>> TO GET IN AND GET OUT OF MISURATA PORT INVOLVES CONGREGATING AROUND 1500 PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SHELLING ZONE FOR ANYTHING UP TO FIVE OR SIX HOURS. IT IS NOT AN EASY CALL.

>> Brown: AND PAUL SOLMAN HAS A CONVERSATION WITH THE ACADEMY AWARD-WINNING DIRECTOR OF "INSIDE JOB"-- A DOCUMENTARY ON THE FINANCIAL CRISIS, ECONOMICS PROFESSORS AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

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>> Woodruff: FOR NOW, AT LEAST, THE WORLD WILL NOT BE SEEING THE IMAGES OF OSAMA BIN LADEN IN DEATH. THAT WORD CAME TODAY FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA. RAY SUAREZ HAS OUR REPORT.

>> THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE THE DECISION NOT TO RELEASE ANY OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE DECEASED OSAMA BIN LADEN.

>> Woodruff: WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN JAY CARNEY SPOKE SHORTLY AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE HIS INTENTIONS KNOWN, IN AN INTERVIEW WITH "60 MINUTES" ON CBS. THE SPOKESMAN READ FROM A TRANSCRIPT.

>> IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT VERY GRAPHIC PHOTOS OF SOMEBODY WHO WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD ARE NOT FLOATING AROUND AS AN INCITEMENT TO ADDITIONAL VIOLENCE OR AS A PROPAGANDA TOOL. THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE. WE DON'T TROT OUT THIS STUFF AS TROPHIES. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO WAS DESERVING OF THE JUSTICE THAT HE RECEIVED. AND I THINK AMERICANS, AND PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE GLAD THAT HE IS GONE. BUT WE DON'T NEED TO SPIKE THE FOOTBALL. AND I THINK THAT GIVEN THE GRAPHIC NATURE OF THESE PHOTOS, IT WOULD CREATE SOME NATIONAL SECURITY RISK.

>> Suarez: THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE WAS, QUOTE, "NO DOUBT WE KILLED BIN LADEN." HE ACKNOWLEDGED SOME WOULD STILL DENY IT. BUT HE SAID, "THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU WON'T SEE BIN LADEN WALKING ON THIS EARTH AGAIN." IN CONGRESS, THE ISSUE OF RELEASING THE DEATH PHOTOS HAD DRAWN DIVIDED REACTIONS. REPUBLICAN MIKE ROGERS-- CHAIR OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE-- HAS SEEN THE PHOTOS. HE SAID THEY'D CAUSE TROUBLE FOR AMERICAN TROOPS ON THE GROUND.

>> AND IF WE CAN'T ANSWER FOR SURE AND FOR CERTAIN THAT THIS DOESN'T MAKE THE JOB OF THAT SOLDIER EASIER, IF IT MAKES IT HARDER, I SAY IT'S NOT WORTH IT.

>> Suarez: THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIR, DEMOCRAT DIANNE FEINSTEIN, AGREED.

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM, SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT, I DON'T THINK THE TIMING IS SUCH THAT SOMETHING INCENDIARY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

>> Suarez: REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN PETER KING WAS AMONG THOSE ARGUING FOR MAKING THE PICTURES PUBLIC.

>> THERE'S NO DOUBT THEY GOT HIM AND LET'S NOT LET CONSPIRACY THEORIES DEVELOP. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD OF THE PICTURES, THEY'RE NOT GHOULISH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SCARE PEOPLE OFF, THEY'RE NOT OFFENSIVE.

>> Suarez: BUT IN THE END, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN CARNEY SAID THE PRESIDENT CONSULTED WITH HIS NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM AND THEY ALL AGREED.

>> EVERY MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM IS AWARE OF AND EXPRESSED THE DOWNSIDE OF RELEASING WHICH HAS I THINK WEIGHED HEAVILY ON THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL RISKS TO AMERICANS SERVING ABROAD AND AMERICANS TRAVELING ABROAD. SO, THE IDEA THAT THIS WAS 100% OBVIOUS, THE PRESIDENT NEVER GETS TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S 100% OBVIOUS BECAUSE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS NEVER GET TO HIS DESK.

>> Suarez: AMID THE FOCUS ON THE PHOTOS, MORE DETAILS TRICKLED OUT ABOUT THE U.S. RAID ON BIN LADEN'S COMPOUND IN ABBOTTABAD, PAKISTAN, ON SUNDAY NIGHT. IT WAS WIDELY REPORTED THE TERROR LEADER APPARENTLY MADE PROVISIONS FOR ESCAPING, IF CORNERED. HE HAD TWO PHONE NUMBERS AND 500 EUROS-- THE EQUIVALENT OF MORE THAN $740-- SEWN INTO HIS CLOTHES. BACK IN WASHINGTON, THE DEBATE OVER THE BIN LADEN DEATH PHOTOS SEEMED LIKELY TO SIMMER ON, DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO WITHHOLD THEM. AND, IT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS MADE SUCH DECISIONS. IN 2003, THESE IMAGES OF SADDAM HUSSEIN'S SONS UDAY AND QUSAY WERE OFFICIALLY RELEASED, AFTER THEY WERE KILLED BY U.S. TROOPS IN IRAQ. THEN-DEFENSE SECRETARY DONALD RUMSFELD SAID THE DECISION WAS NOT A HARD CALL.

>> THEY ARE NOW DEAD. WE KNOW THAT. THE IRAQI PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION OF THAT, AND THEY, IN MY VIEW, DESERVED HAVING CONFIRMATION OF THAT.

>> Woodruff: OTHER HIGHLY SENSITIVE IMAGES HAVE ALSO COME TO LIGHT, INCLUDING THOSE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN'S HANGING IN 2006. AND THE NOTORIOUS PICTURES OF U.S. TROOPS POSING WITH IRAQI DETAINEES AT THE ABU GHRAIB PRISON. THEY BECAME PUBLIC IN 2004. FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THE COMPLEXITIES INVOLVED HERE, WE TURN TO RICHARD CLARKE, FORMER WHITE HOUSE COUNTERTERRORISM ADVISER IN THE CLINTON AND EARLY GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS. HE IS NOW A CONSULTANT. JUAN ZARATE, A DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. HE IS NOW A SENIOR ADVISER WITH THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES. WE HAVE NEED TO PUBLISH TO PHOTOS TO ESTABLISH THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD, THE WORDS OF PRESIDENT OBAMA. JUAN ZARATE, DID HE MAKE THE RIGHT CALL?

>> THIS IS A HARD CALL, RAY. I THINK FOR THE MOMENT IT APPEARS TO BE THE RIGHT DECISION. I THINK WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND WHITE HOUSE IS TRYING TO DO IS KEEP THE MORAL HIGH GROUND ON THIS NARRATIVE, THE NARRATIVE OF HAVING BROUGHT JUSTICE TO THE WORLD'S MOST INFAMOUS TERRORIST. AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY DOES THE WHITE HOUSE NOT APPEAR INSENSITIVE BUT THAT AMERICA IS NOT BESMIRCHED BY GRUESOME IMAGES OF BIN LADEN HAVING BEEN KILLED AND HAVING THEM RELEASED, AS THE WHITE HOUSE SAID, AS A TROPHY DEMONSTRATING THE DEATH ITSELF.

>> Suarez: COULD YOU HAVE MADE AN ARGUMENT TO RELEASE THEM

>> I THINK YOU COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT IN THIS WAY. FIRST, I THINK WE LIVE IN THE WIKILEAKS ERA. WE HAVE TO REALIZE THESE IMAGES WILL LIKELY SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY ANYWAY, DESPITE ATTEMPTS TO CONTROL THEM. SOME PICTURES ARE ALREADY OUT FROM THE ACTUAL SITE. REUTERS HAS BOUGHT PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TWO BODIES LEFT BEHIND THAT ARE QUITE GRUESOME AND ALREADY ON THE INTERNET. SO THE NARRATIVE IS ALREADY STARTING TO BE SHAPED BY THE RELEASE OF IMAGES THAT AREN'T IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT'S CONTROL. I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN ASSUMPTION ULTIMATELY THAT WHATEVER COMES OUT PUBLICLY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS BEHIND. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A REAL TOUGH CALL. BUT I THINK THAT THE IDEA THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO INCITE PEOPLE, YOU DON'T WANT TO APPEAR INSENSITIVE IS A COMPELLING ARGUMENT AT THIS MOMENT.

>> Suarez: RICHARD CLARKE, HOW DO YOU THINK IT WAS DECIDED?

>> WELL, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE LITTLE. I DON'T THINK THIS WAS A CLOSE CALL AT ALL. IF YOU ASK YOURSELF WHAT PROBLEM ARE YOU SOLVING BY RELEASING THESE PHOTOS, THEN I THINK IT ANSWERS ITSELF. THERE'S A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE THAT WE KILLED HIM. THEY WILL BE THE THEORISTS IN THIS COUNTRY BUT MAINLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE CONSPIRACY THEORY IS A WAY OF LIFE IN THAT CULTURE. THEY WOULDN'T BE PERSUADED BY THE PICTURES. AND SO RELEASING THE PICTURES WOULD NOT SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. WHAT PROBLEM WOULD IT SOLVE? I DON'T KNOW OF ONE. I KNOW A PROBLEM IT WOULD CREATE. THE IT COULD PUSH SOME PEOPLE OVER THE EDGE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A PERIOD WHERE WE'RE AFRAID OF A SPASM RESPONSE. OF A LONE WOLF SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES OR OVERSEAS PICKING UP A GUN AND SEEKING REVENGE. AND SEEING THOSE PICTURES MIGHT JUST BE ENOUGH TO PUSH THAT GUY OVER THE SIDE INTO PICKING UP THE GUN AND SEEKING REVENGE. SO I CAN'T QUANTIFY THAT, NO ONE CAN. BUT WE KNOW IT'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM. ON THE OTHER HAND, RELEASING THEM DOESN'T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM. SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS A CLOSE CALL AT ALL.

>> THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY, THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE STILL FESTERING. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SORT OF CLOSE THE BOOK ON THIS QUESTION. IN PART BECAUSE, AS DICK SAID, THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSPIRACY THEORIES OUT THERE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO QAUSH ANY OF THOSE BUT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE QUESTIONS IN THE MINDS OF MANY AS TO WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND WHAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT MAY BE TRYING TO HIDE. AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS OUT THERE WHERE THIS ISSUE WILL NOT GO AWAY. SO TO THE EXTENT A PHOTO MAKES ITS WAY INTO THE PUBLIC IN SOME WAYS THEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS LOST CONTROL OF THE NARRATIVE.

>> Suarez: LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN CASES WHERE THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT RELEASE DODD EVENTUALLY GET OUT THERE AS WE SEE, AS JUAN MENTIONED WITH WIKILEAKS. DO YOU AT LEAST CONTROL THE NARRATIVE IF YOU CONTROL THE RELEASE, RICHARD CLARKE?

>> YOU CONTINUE THE NARRATIVE. YOU CAUSE THE NARRATIVE TO GO ON. YOU CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION. NOW, IF WE HAD RELEASED THE PICTURES, PEOPLE WOULD THEN BE DISSECTING THE PICTURES. THEY BEAD DOING MEASURING, THEY'D BE FINDING PROOF THAT IT WASN'T HIM. IT WOULD GO ON AND ON AND ON. IT WOULD FEED THE BLOGS, PARTICULARLY THE ISLAMIC BLOGS BUT ALSO THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HERE. I THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS BEST TO SAY, LOOK, HE'S DEAD, WE KILLED HIM, WE KNOW WE KILLED HIM, AL QAEDA KNOWS WE KILLED HIM. AND JUST MOVE ON AND IF THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE AN INDUSTRY OUT OF TALKING ABOUT IT, WHO HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO, FINE. LET THEM.

>> Suarez: RON, YOU HEARD RICHARD CLARKE MENTION ELVIS SIGHTINGS. DID IT SEEM THERE WAS EVEN MUCH PUSHBACK ON THIS STORY. A SIZABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE DOUBTING, IN FACT, THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS DEAD AND THAT THESE PHOTOS WERE A NECESSARY ANTIDOTE TO THAT?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S SUCH A WEIGHT OF PRESSURE THAT THAT DROVE ANY ELEMENT OF THIS DECISION. I THINK DICK IS RIGHT. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS OUT THERE AND THAT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY DRIVE A DECISION MAKING. AND I ALSO AGREE YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE THE MYTHOLOGY OF A MARTYR HERE. W BIN LADEN. AND I THINK IMAGES HAVE A WAY OF DOING THAT. I JUST WORRY THAT THE IMAGES ARE GOING TO GET OUT ANYWAY AND PERHAPS ONE WAY OF HANDLING THIS IS TO CONTROL THE TYPES OF IMAGE. THE WAY IT GETS OUT. THE WHITE HOUSE THE TORN ON THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE IN IN M WAYS THE MESSAGES COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, THE IMAGES THAT CAME OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE IRAQI CONTEXT, WERE OFTEN DONE EITHER BY CABINET OFFICIALS OR IN THE FIELD. YOU RECALL THE ZARQAWI PICTURES THAT WERE DONE ACTUALLY IN IRAQ, RELEASED IN IRAQ. IN PART THAT WAS BECAUSE THE MESSAGE WAS IMPORTANT TO IRAQIS AS WELL AS THE UNITED STATES. I AGREE THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH OF A GROUNDSWELL TO SAY THERE WAS A TON OF PRESSURE ON THE WHITE HOUSE TO MAKE THIS DECISION BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY NECESSARILY AND AT SOME POINT THE IMAGE IS GOING TO GET OUT.

>> Suarez: I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM BOTH OF YOU ABOUT HOW THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE. YOU'VE BOTH BEEN ON THE INSIDE WHEN THINGS OF THIS NATURE HAVE BEEN THE SUBJECT OF THE DAY. HOW DO YOU WEIGH THE UP SIDES AND DOWNSIDES BEHIND CLOSED DOORS?

>> WELL, THE PRESIDENT DID TALK DIRECTLY TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND THE C.I.A. DIRECTOR ON THIS ONE. BUT I THINK HE HAD HIS MIND MADE UP. I THINK HE HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE. AND ESSENTIALLY I THINK HE MADE THE RIGHT CALL. YOU COULD, IF YOU RELEASED THE PICTURES OF THE DEAD BODIES... AND THE FUNERALS ABOARD THE CARRIER, THEN ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WOULD BE ARGUING WERE THE PROCEDURES FOLLOWED PROPERLY DURING THE FUNERAL AND IT WOULD GO ON AND ON AND ON.

>> Suarez: BUT ARE THOSE THE KINDS OF UP SIDES AND DOWNSIDES THAT ARE WEIGHED IN THIS CASE?

>> ABSOLUTELY. THE CONVERSATION IN THE SITUATION ROOM WOULD BE JUST LIKE THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING HERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE PRESIDENT'S THE MAN WHO MAKES THE CALL AND I THINK IT OFFENDED HIM, OFFENDED HIS SENSIBILITIES. HE'S A FATHER OF TWO YOUNG GIRLS. HE DIDN'T WANT THEM SEEING THE PICTURE AND HE DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE HAVING THEIR KIDS SEE THE PICTURES. I THINK HE WANTED TO DRAW A LINE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN US AND THE TERRORISTS. THE TERRORISTS SHOW PICTURES OF BEHEADINGS THAT THEY KIDNAP PEOPLE, THEY KILL THEM, AND THEY PUT THE PICTURES OF THE KILLING ON THE INTERNET. HE WANTED TO SAY "WE'RE NOT LIKE THAT."

>> Suarez: SO THERE'S NOT ONLY AN AFFECT OF THE PHOTO IT OUT THERE BUT THE REPUTATION OF THE UNITED STATES THAT HAS TO BE WEIGHD?

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WAS THE DRIVING PRINCIPAL. PART OF THE NARRATIVE WAS BEING ON THE MORAL HIGH GROUND. WE TOOK AND FOUND JUSTICE AGAINST A BUTCHER THOUSANDS AROUND THE WORLD. AND SO I THINK THE CALCULUS WAS REALLY HOW DO YOU KEEP CONTROL OF THAT MORAL HIGH GROUND? I AGREE WITH DICK. I THINK ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WE HAVE IS PERHAPS OVER TIME IF THE IMAGES COME OUT LATER PASSIONS AND EMOTIONS WILL BE DIMINISHED AND, FRANKLY, THE REALITY THAT BIN LADEN ISN'T POPPING UP MESSAGING IN OR N OTHER WAYS STARTS TO PROVE THE POINT WITHOUT THE IMAGES. BUT I WORRY IT'S DIFFICULT TO CONTROL THE MESSAGING.

>> Suarez: GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, RAY.

>> Brown: STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR": WHAT NEXT IN THE AFGHANISTAN CONFLICT; THE AFTERMATH OF THOSE DEADLY SOUTHERN STORMS; A DRAMATIC ESCAPE FROM THE LIBYAN PORT OF MISRATA AND "INSIDE JOB" DIRECTOR, CHARLES FERGUSON. BUT FIRST, THE OTHER NEWS OF THE DAY. HERE'S HARI SREENIVASAN.

>> Sreenivasan: THE TWO MAIN PALESTINIAN GROUPS WERE OFFICIALLY RECONCILED TODAY. BUT IT RAISED NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT PEACE PROSPECTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. MARGARET WARNER HAS THE STORY.

>> Warner: AFTER FOUR YEARS OF BITTER DIVISION, THE TWO RIVAL PALESTINIAN FACTIONS SIGNED THE UNITY ACCORD IN CAIRO, EGYPT. PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD ABBAS REPRESENTED FATAH, WHICH LEADS THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY. HE WAS JOINED BY HAMAS LEADER KHALED MESHAL AND BY EGYPTIAN OFFICIALS, WHO BROKERED THE DEAL. UNDER THE AGREEMENT, A CARETAKER GOVERNMENT OF TECHNOCRATS WILL PREPARE FOR NATIONAL ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR. MEANWHILE, THE MOVEMENT'S UMBRELLA POLITICAL GROUP-- THE PALESTINLIONBERATI ORGANIZATION-- WILL BE BROADED TO INCLUDE HAMAS. THE DEAL MADE NO MENTION OF WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN FOR PALESTINIAN RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL, OR THE PROSPECT OF RESUMING PEACE TALKS. HAMAS'S CHARTER CALLS FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL.

>> ( translated ): OUR FIRST AND TRUE BATTLE IS WITH THE ISRAELI ENEMY AND NOT WITH PALESTINIAN FACTIONS OR AMONG SONS OF ONE HOMELAND.

>> Warner: ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU DENOUNCED THE PALESTINIAN PACT.

>> WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IN CAIRO IS A TREMENDOUS BLOW TO PEACE, AND A GREAT VICTORY FOR TERRORISM.

>> Warner: WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IN CAIRO WAS DRIVEN BY THE CHANGING REALITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WITH THE FALL OF FORMER EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT HOSNI MUBARAK, FATAH LOST ITS CLOSEST ARAB ALLY. AND HAMAS'S MAIN BACKER, SYRIAN PRESIDENT BASHIR ASSAD, IS BESET WITH PROTESTS AT HOME. PRESIDENT ABBAS REJECTED ISRAEL'S CRITICISM. HE SAID RECONCILIATION IS AN INTERNAL MATTER FOR PALESTINIANS. TENSIONS OVER POLICY TOWARD ISRAEL HELPED BRING DOWN A PREVIOUS PALESTINIAN UNITY GOVERNMENT IN JUNE OF 2007, AND SPARKED A CIVIL WAR. AFTER FIVE DAYS OF FIGHTING HAMAS SEIZED CONTROL OF GAZA, AND EXPELLED FATAH. THAT LEFT TWO COMPETING PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENTS WITH HAMAS RUNNING GAZA, AND THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY CONTROLLING THE WEST BANK. IN JANUARY OF 2009, ISRAEL INVADED GAZA, SEEKING TO END A BARRAGE OF ROCKET FIRE BY HAMAS MILITANTS. AN UNOFFICIAL TRUCE FOLLOWED, AND HAMAS SAID THIS WEEK IT WOULD CONTINUE TO ABIDE BY THE CEASE-FIRE. TODAY, PALESTINIANS ON BOTH SIDES CELEBRATED THE UNITY DEAL. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TOOK TO THE STREETS IN THE WEST BANK. AND IN GAZA, WHERE HAMAS PERMITTED RESIDENTS TO WAVE YELLOW FATAH BANNERS ALONG WITH GREEN HAMAS FLAGS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FOUR YEARS.

>> Sreenivasan: IN WASHINGTON, A STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN VOICED RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN AGREEMENT. BUT HE SAID, "WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN REAL AND PRACTICAL TERMS." EUROPEAN UNION OFFICIALS TODAY DEFENDED THE BAILOUT DEAL GIVEN TO PORTUGAL. THEY SAID THE TERMS ARE SEVERE, AND IN LINE WITH WHAT GREECE AND IRELAND RECEIVED. THE PORTUGUESE PRIME MINSTER JOSE SOCRATES HAD CLAIMED HE WON EASIER TERMS IN THE $115 BILLION BAILOUT. HE SAID PORTUGAL WAS SPARED FROM PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CUTS AND CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE. NEW JOBS DATA TODAY RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT ECONOMIC RECOVERY IN THE U.S. THE PAYROLL FIRM A.D.P. REPORTED PRIVATE COMPANIES ADDED 179,000 JOBS IN APRIL. THAT'S WELL UNDER PROJECTIONS. WALL STREET REACTED WITH A THIRD STRAIGHT DECLINE. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST NEARLY 84 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 12,723. THE NASDAQ FELL 13 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 2,828. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DAY'S MAJOR STORIES. NOW, BACK TO JEFF.

>> Brown: AND WE TURN TO MORE OF THE POTENTIAL FALLOUT FROM THE DEATH OF OSAMA BIN LADEN. IT HAS PROVOKED A DEBATE OVER WHETHER TO SPEED UP TROOP WITHDRAWALS FROM AFGHANISTAN. THE FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER SAID TODAY HIS GOVERNMENT IS MULLING WHETHER TO PULL OUT ITS 4,000 TROOPS SOONER THAN PLANNED. ALAIN JUPPE ALSO CLAIMED THE U.S. IS CONSIDERING A SIMILAR OPTION, IN THE WAKE OF BIN LADEN'S DEMISE. BUT IN BRUSSELS, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN SAID THE ALLIANCE WILL STAY THE COURSE.

>> OUR STRATEGY WILL NOT CHANGE. NATO ALLIES AND PARTNERS WILL CONTINUE THE MISSION TO ENSURE THAT AFGHANISTAN NEVER AGAIN BECOMES A SAFE HAVEN FOR EXTREMISM BUT DEVELOPS IN PEACE AND SECURITY.

>> Brown: CURRENT PLANS CALL FOR THE U.S. TO START BRINGING THE FIRST OF ITS 100,000 TROOPS HOME IN JULY. NEARLY ALL ALLIED FORCES WOULD BE GONE BY 2014. WE LOOK AT THE POST-BIN LADEN SITUATION NOW, WITH CELESTE WARD GVENTER, A DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE IN 2006 AND 2007. SHE'S NOW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS IN AUSTIN.RA SETH JONES HAS HELD SEVERAL PENTAGON POSTS. HE'S AUTHOR OF "IN THE GRAVEYARD OF EMPIRES: AMERICA'S WAR IN AFGHANISTAN" AND IS NOW AT THE RAND CORPORATION. CELESTE WARD GVENTER, I'LL START WITH YOU. THERE WAS AN AMOUSE QOD WITH FROM A SENIOR OFFICIAL IN TODAY'S "WASHINGTON POST." IT SAID "BIN LADEN'S DEATH THE BEGINNING OF THE END GAME IN AFGHANISTAN, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING. WHAT DO YOU THINK? MIGHT IT ALLOW US TO HASTEN OUR TROOP PULLOUT IN AFGHANISTAN?

>> THE THANKS, JEFF. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND NOT A MOMENT TOO SOON. THE RATIONALE FOR A LARGE U.S. MILITARY COMMITMENT IN AVZ HAD ALREADY GROWN QUITE THIN BEFORE THE DEATH OF BIN LADEN. BUT NOW THAT HE IS GONE, THE SPIRITUAL LEADER AND MODE OF FORCE BEHIND THE ATTACKS ON 9/11 HAS DISAPPEARED FROM THE SCENE AND ONLY A FEW HUNDRED, IF THAT, AL QAEDA REMAIN IN AFGHANISTAN. AND, FRANKLY, IT'S TIME TO RETHINK OUR COMMITMENT, SCALE DOWN, AND START FOCUSING ON MUCH LARGER PROBLEMS IN THE AMERICAN STRATEGIC LANDSCAPE.

>> Brown: SETH JONES, DOES IT CHANGE EVERYTHING OR ANYTHING?

>> I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE IS STILL AN AL QAEDA STRUCTURE THAT OPERATES IN PAKISTAN, THAT CONTINUES TO HAVE ITS PRIMARY COMMITTEES INTACT FROM ITS MILITARY OPERATIONS COMMITTEES OR INDIVIDUALS LIKE KASHMIRI THAT HAVE PUSHED INTO PARTS OF THE NORTHEASTERN AREAS OF AFGHANISTAN, KUNAR PROVINCE, AND THIS THE PRIMARY INSURGENT GROUPS IN AFGHANISTAN-- THE TALIBAN AND THE HAQQANI NETWORK-- CONTINUE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH AL QAEDA MEANS THAT I THINK NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TAKE ONE'S FOOT OFF OF THE ACCELERATOR BUT IN SOME CASES IT'S ACTUALLY TO PRESS HARDER BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT AL QAEDA WOBBLING, AS WITH SOME OF THE INSURGENT GROUPS. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY NOT TAKE THE HAND OFF THE ACCELERATOR.

>> Brown: WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN IF WE STARTED THIS DRAWDOWN FASTER NOW

>> I THINK ONE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THE TALIBAN HAS PUSHED UP INTO NORTHERN PARTS OF AFGHANISTAN INTO OTHER PROVINCES. IF THE U.S. DRAW DOWN TOO QUICKLY, YOU MIGHT GET INCREASING SUCCESSES TAKING OF TERRITORIAL CONTROL BY THE TALIBAN AND HAQQANI NETWORK WHICH AT SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IN AREAS THEY CONTROL WILL PUSH IN FORBE FIGHTERS AND TRAINING CAMPS.

>> Brown: CELESTE GVENTER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING A SMALLER FORCE THAT IS MORE AIMED AT COUNTERTERRORISM AS OPPOSED TO THE COUNTERINSURGENCY STRATEGY?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, JEFF. I THINK WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WAS DEBATING WHETHER TO INCREASE FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO NOW OR FALL OF 2009 THE COUNTERTERRORIST OPTION WAS DISREGARDED BY A LOT OF ANALYSTS AND STRATEGISTS. AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM, WE'VE NOW SEEN THAT COUNTERTERRORISM ACTUALLY WORKS. COUNTERINSURGENCY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEMISE OF BIN LADEN THIS PAST WEEKEND AND THE FACT IS THAT THERE ARE EXTREMIST GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD IN OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL AND THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY LARGE-SCALE U.S. MILITARY COMMITMENT IN THE PURSUIT OF ESSENTIALLY ARMED SOCIAL WORK.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, SOUTH JONES? DOES THAT CHANGE THIS EQUATION WE'VE HAD ABOUT COUNTERTERRORISM VERSUS TARGETED? GOING AFTER SPECIFIC TARGETS VERSUS THE COUNTERINSURGENCY STRATEGY FROM IRAQ AND THEN INTO AFGHANISTAN?

>> WELL, I THINK IF ONE LOOKS AT THE CURRENT STRATEGY IN AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW, A, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A DECLINE IN U.S. FORCES AND THAT WILL CONTINUE ANYWAY REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OSAMA BIN LADEN OR ANY OF THE SENIOR AL QAEDA LEADERSHIP. BUT, B, WE'VE SEEN A CHANGE IN STRATEGY WHERE IN PARTICULAR U.S. SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES ANYWAY HAVE BEEN INCREASING IN AFGHANISTAN AS THE CONVENTIONAL FOOTPRINT DECLINES. BUT INSTEAD OF JUST COUNTERTERRORISM, THE BULK OF THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS ACTIVITY HAS BEEN HELPING LOCAL AFGHAN COMMUNITIES DEFEND THEMSELVES SO THIS IS NOT JUST A COUNTERTERRORISM MISSION. THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES HAS ACTUALLY ALSO TO HELP LOCALS PROVIDE BASIC NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PROGRAMS SO IT'S A LITTLE OF BOTH.

>> Brown: CELESTE GVENTER, DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH THAT?

>> FRANKLY, AFGHANISTAN SIMPLY DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURE OF U.S. RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY COMMITTED THERE. WE ARE SPENDING ABOUT $110 TO $120 BILLION A YEAR ESSENTIALLY REBUILDING A COUNTRY THAT HAS FAR LESS TO DO WITH OUR STRATEGIC FUTURE THAN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES AND A LOT OF OTHER REGIONS. WE SIMPLY CAN'T JUSTIFY THIS LEVEL OF EXPENDITURE AND THIS LEVEL OF COMMITMENT. IT'S JUST OFF BALANCE WITH OUR ACTUAL INTERESTS IN AFGHANISTAN.

>> Brown: AND THAT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF TIMES HERE. BUT THE QUESTION NOW IS, DOES BIN LADEN'S... AND I'LL ASK SETH JONES. DOES BIN LADEN'S DEATH CHANGE THE EQUATION AND TIP IT MORE TO THE ARGUMENT SHE'S MAKEING?

>> WELL I WOULD JUST POINT OUT TWO THINGS. SOMEONE THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS NEARLY TARGETED LAST YEAR BY FAISAL SHAHZAD. HE PACKED AN S.U.V., MOVED IT INTO TIMES SQUARE ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. THE BOMB DIDN'T GO OFF BUT HE WAS TERRAINED BY THE TALIBAN PAKISTAN ON THE AFGHAN/PAKISTAN BORDER, IT WAS NOT AL QAEDA. IT WAS AN AL QAEDA ALLIED GROUP. THAT ORGANIZATION STILL EXISTS AS DO SEVERAL OTHERS. KASHMIRI HAS SEVERAL PLOTS GOING ON. I THINK THOSE ISSUES CONTINUE AND I WOULD SAY IN ADDITION THE U.S. FOOTPRINT IS COMING DOWN AND HAS TO COME DOWN. SO I THINK CELESTE IS RIGHT TO SOME DEGREE THAT THE CURRENT AMOUNTS OF MONEY WE ARE SPENDING INS AFTER ARE TOO MUCH IN THIS ECONOMY BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY.

>> AND, CELESTE, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT ONE MORE THING BECAUSE THE OTHER DEBATE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IS WHETHER TO MOVE TOWARDS MORE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN. THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME THINKING THAT THE DEATH OF BIN LADEN MIGHT MAKE THAT EASIER OR THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A MOMENT TO PUSH SIDES BOTH FOR THE TALIBAN AND FOR THE U.S.

>> I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AND TO GET AT YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY ABOUT HOW BIN LADEN'S DEATH CHANGES THE EQUATION IN AFGHANISTAN, I THINK INITIATIVE HAS CHANGED. AND WE NOW HAVE THE INITIATIVE AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE ALL OF THE TEA DRINKING AND PIPE LAYING AND SCHOOL BUILDING IN THE WORLD COULDN'T ACHIEVE WHAT ELIMINATING BIN LADEN HAS NOW ACHIEVED. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS MOMENT I THINK WE PRECISELY CAN BEGIN NEGOTIATION WITH THE TALIBAN AND IN PUTTING TOGETHER A REGIONAL COMPACT WITH NEIGHBORING STATES. AFTER ALL, THEY CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF AFGHANISTAN, TOO, AND IT'S NOT SOLELY AN AMERICAN PROBLEM. THIS IS A REGIONAL PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO ENGAGE THOSE REGIONAL STATES FAR MORE AGGRESSIVELY THAN WE HAVE IN CREATING A SOLUTION FOR AFGHANISTAN THAT IS TRULY SUSTAINABLE. ALL THE U.S. NATION BUILDING IN THE WORLD CAN'T ACHIEVE IT ALONE.

>> Brown: SETH JONES, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROSPECTS FOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN NOW?

>> I THINK IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO OPEN UP DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TALIBAN FOR A RANGE OF REASONS AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER INSURGENCIES. IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A SETTLEMENT, IT OPENS UP THAT POSSIBILITY. IT'S A WAY TO SIGNAL TO THE OVER SIDE BOTH GOOD AND BAD THINGS. I WOULD SAY THE LIKELIHOOD OF A SETTLEMENT IS EXTREMELY LOW FOR SEVERAL REASONS. THE TALIBAN LEAVES IT'S WINNING NOW NOT LOSING. IN ADDITION THE TALIBAN'S RELATIONSHIP AND THE HAQQANI NETWORK'S RELATIONSHIP WITH AL QAEDA IS STILL FAIRLY STRONG. SO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT IT'S GOING TO BREAK ITS LINKS, NOW, I THINK IS VERY UNLIKELY.

>> Brown: ALL RIGHT, WE DO HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. SETH JONES, CELESTE WARD VENTER IN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Woodruff: NEXT, THE LATEST ON GOVERNMENT EFFORTS TO DEAL WITH FLOODING IN THE MIDWEST AND THE DEVASTATING TORNADOES IN THE SOUTH. CONCERN MOUNTED TODAY AS TOWNS ALONG THE SOUTHERN REACHES OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER BRACED FOR DISASTROUS FLOODING. IN SOUTHEASTERN MISSOURI, NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS BUILT A SECONDARY RETAINING WALL OF SANDBAGS, IN CASE THE RIVER TOPS A 50-FOOT WALL IN CARUTHERSVILLE.

>> YOU KNOW WE LIVE ON THE RIVER. THE RIVER HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS RESOURCE FOR US AND WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH MOTHER NATURE AS WE CAN.

>> Woodruff: ALREADY, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS BLOWN OPEN ONE LEVEE, DELIBERATELY FLOODING 130,000 ACRES IN MISSOURI. IT WAS DONE TO SAVE CAIRO, ILLINOIS, ON THE OHIO RIVER. AND, THE CORPS IS CONSIDERING TOR HENSWESSURE ON OTHER TOWNSR AND CITIES ALONG THE MISSISSIPPI. MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE, AND POINTS SOUTH TO NATCHEZ, MISSISSIPPI, ARE ON HIGH ALERT. FORECASTERS HAVE PROJECTED THE RIVER COULD BREAK RECORDS SET DURING THE GREAT FLOOD OF 1927. AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION IS IN EFFECT IN SHELBY COUNTY, TENNESSEE INCLUDING MEMPHIS. SOME 5,300 HOMES AND BUSINESSES COULD BE FLOODED THERE.

>> YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH IN THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND WHAT THEY SAY AND THIS IS THEIR AREA OF EXPERTISE, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BANKING ON.

>> Woodruff: FARTHER SOUTH, ALABAMA RESIDENTS ARE STILL STRUGGLING TO CLEAN UP AFTER THE NATION'S DEADLIEST TORNADO OUTBREAK SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. THE STORMS KILLED AT LEAST 328 PEOPLE ACROSS SIX STATES LAST WEEK. ALABAMA'S STATE INSURANCE COMMISSIONER TODAY WARNED INSURED LOSSES WILL EXCEED $2 BILLION-- THE TOTAL DONE BY HURRICANE IVAN BACK IN 2004. THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY HAS SET UP A NUMBER OF RECOVERY CENTERS, AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEGUN APPLYING FOR ASSISTANCE. THIS AFTERNOON, I SAT DOWN WITH THE MAN IN CHARGE OF THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AT ITS HEADQUARTERS. FEMA ADMINISTRATOR CRAIG FUGATE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Woodruff: LET'S START WITH TODAY'S NEWS, THE FLOODING IN THE MIDWEST. THE FACT THAT THE LEVEES HAVE HAD TO BE BREACHED, BLOWN UP IN SOME AREAS. HOW WORRIED ARE YOU ABOUT THAT SITUATION THERE?

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING FLOOD LEVELS ON THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND MANY OF THE TRIBUTARYS THAT ARE CAUSING A WIDESPREAD FLOODING AND THE CORE OF ENGINEERS HAS HAD TO EXERCISE SOME OF THE PLANS TO OPEN UP FLOODWAYS THAT ARE IMPACTING FARMS AND HOMES. BUT IT WAS TO PROTECT THE MAIN LINE LEVEE SYSTEM FROM CATASTROPHIC FAILURES FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SO WE'RE SEEING VERY HIGH LEVELS IN THE RIVER, WE'RE SEEING THE CORPS HAVING TO EXERCISE THOSE FLOODWAYS AND, AGAIN, A LOT OF CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY IN STATES THAT ARE DEALING WITH NOT ONLY THE FLOODING ALONG THE RIVER BUT RIVERS THAT FLOW IN, THAT ARE BACKING UP IN THEIR STATES CAUSING LOCALIZED FLOODING.

>> Woodruff: AND YOU WERE SAYING AS A RESULT OF THE HEAVY SPRING RAINS ON TOP OF THE WET WINTER THAT THE COUNTRY HAD.

>> YEAH, THIS IS A SYSTEM VERY HEAVY SNOWFALL. WE'VE HAD REPEATED STORMS WITH HEAVY RAINS. I WAS TALKING WITH THE GOVERNOR OF TENNESSEE AND HE SAYS FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'RE DOING MANDATORY EVACUATIONS IN SOME OF OUR SMALL COMMUNITIES DUE TO FLOODING CAUSED BY BACKING UP RIVERS IN THE HEAVY RAINFALL IN HIS STATE.

>> Woodruff: THE FARMERS AFFECTED BY THIS CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAVING TO BLOW UP, DESTROY THE LEVEE, THEIR CROPLAND IS BEING FLOODED. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM? THEY'RE NOW WORRIED ABOUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

>> WELL, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE GOVERNOR OF MISSOURI AND ONE OF THE STEPS WE'LL TAKE AFTER THIS FLOODING IS OCCURRED IS DO THE PRELIMINARY DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS AND LOOK AT THE TYPE OF ASSISTANCE. AGAIN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS AGRICULTURAL, WE'LL WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE LOOKING AT THEIR PROGRAMS BUT, AGAIN, THIS WAS A DESIGNED SYSTEM THAT HAVE THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE OPERATE THIS WAY IN THESE CONDITIONS BUT WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNOR OF MISSOURI TO WHAT SYSTEMS ARE AVAILABLE TO THOSE IMPACTED.

>> Woodruff: WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, MR. FUGATE, IN THE NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS IN THAT AREA?

>> WELL, AGAIN, THE REPORTS FROM THE CORPS WAS THAT ALONG THE MAIN LINE LEVEE, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE TOWNS OF CAIRO IT WAS COMING DOWN. THAT'S THE THICK THAT THEY WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WAS TAKING PRESSURE OFF OF SOME OF THOSE LEVEES. THEY WERE GETTING VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SAND WALLS AND OTHER EARLY SIGNS THAT THEY WERE REACHING THE POINT THAT COULD HAVE CATASTROPHIC FAILURES. SO THE WATER LEVELS COMING DOWN, IT'S REDUCING PRESSURE BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT HAS A LOT OF WATER IN IT AND ADDITIONAL RAINS ARE COMPOUNDING PROBLEMS SO WE EXPECT THIS FLOOD AND THESE ACTIONS TO TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF BUT STILL SEE A LOT MORE TO COME.

>> Woodruff: LET'S TURN NOW TO THE TORNADO DAMAGE, THE AFTERMATH OF THE TERRIBLE TORNADO DAMAGE IN THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES. YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF DISASTERS IN YOUR TENURE HERE. WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE SITUATION THERE NOW? HUMAN AND IN TERMS OF PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.

>> WELL, THESE WERE TORNADOS THAT STAYED ON THE GROUND FOR VERY LONG PERIODS OF TIME. I THINK THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ALREADY SAID APRIL WAS ONE OF THE RECORD-SETTING MONTHS FOR TORNADOS BUT WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THESE TORNADOS IS THEY STAYED ON THE GROUND SO LONG AND THEY WERE SO POWERFUL THAT THEY WERE DESTROYING NOT ONLY WHAT WE SEE WITH MOBILE HOMES BUT HOUSING, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, ANYTHING IN ITS PATH. SO I THINK IMAGES DON'T DO JUSTICE TO THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE OVER LARGE AREAS, PARTICULARLY IN MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA BUT WE'VE HAD LOSS OF LIFE IN TENNESSEE, ARKANSAS, GEORGIA AS WELL AS IN VIRGINIA FROM THESE STORMS.

>> Woodruff: AND WHAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEING ASKED TO DO RIGHT NOW BY THESE STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS?

>> AGAIN, THE GOVERNORS REQUESTED AND PRESIDENT OBAMA DECLARED THESE STATES DISASTER AREAS PRIMARILY RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES, THE SURVIVORS OF THESE STORMS. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SECRETARY DONOVAN AT HUD IS WHAT ARE THE HOUSING NEEDS GOING TO BE? WE LOST SO MANY HOMES AND SO MANY APARTMENTS THAT THERE'S A HUGE CHALLENGE TO GET HOUSING IN THE URBAN AREAS AS WELL AS RURAL PARTS OF THESE STATES.

>> Woodruff: IN FACT, ONE OF THE STORIES I READ TODAY ON AN A.P. WIRE WAS ABOUT A MAN WHO WAS A CONTRACTOR, HE HAD HIS CONTRACTING BUSINESS IN HIS HOUSE. HE HAS LOST EVERYTHING. HE HAS A WIFE WHO HAPPENS TO BE BRAIN DAMAGED. THEY'RE LIVING IN A MOTEL. THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE REALLY AT THE END OF THEIR ROPES?

>> AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THE PRESIDENT CONCURRED WITH THE GOVERNOR'S REQUEST. PART OF THE PROGRAMS WE DID TURN ON AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PRESIDENT'S WE'LL CALL INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. THESE PROGRAMS TO BRING IN IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE TO THOSE IN NEED. PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE. TO BEGIN THE RECOVERY PROCESS. BUT WE KNOW FEMA PROGRAMS ALONE WON'T MAKE PEOPLE WHOLE SO WE'RE WORKING WITH SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION WORKS WORKING WITH HUD AND OTHER FEDERAL PROGRAMS AS WELL AS VOLUNTEER AND FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP PEOPLE THROUGH THIS. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY IN THE AREA THAT'S BEEN IMPACTED BY THE STORMS REGISTERED AT FEMA AT 1-800-621 FEMA AND START THE PROCESS SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT ASSISTANCE WE CAN PROVIDE.

>> Woodruff: WE'VE REPORTED ALABAMA OFFICIALS THOUGHT THE INSURED LOSS WOULD EXCEED $2 BILLION. ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE OVERALL COST, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE COST WILL BE?

>> NOT AT THIS POINT. LIKE MANY DISASTERS WE DEAL DOLLAR ASSESSMENTS BEFORE WE DECLARE DISASTERS. IN THIS CASE BASED UPON THE SEVERITY AND MAGNITUDE OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY SUFFERING PRESIDENT OBAMA DECLARED THESE AND SO WE ARE NOW COMING BACK AFTER THIS TO COUNT UP THOSE DAMAGES SO WE FOCUS MORE ON GETTING ASSISTANCE FOR THE SURVIVORS RIGHT NOW.

>> Brown: FEMA ADMINISTRATOR CRAIG FUGATE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> Brown: AND NOW TO THE BLOODY CONFLICT IN LIBYA, WHERE THE BATTLE FOR A KEY PORT HAS GONE ON FOR TWO MONTHS. TODAY GOVERNMENT FORCES KEPT UP THEIR SHELLING OF MISRATA. AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE WERE KILLED AS THEY WAITED FOR THE AID SHIP "RED STAR ONE" TO DOCK. IT WAS THE ONLY LIFELINE FOR HOSPITAL PATIENTS IN CRITICAL CONDITION, AS WELL AS A THOUSAND STRANDED MIGRANTS. ALEX THOMSON OF "INDEPENDENT TELEVISION NEWS" WATCHED THE SCENE UNFOLD. A WARNING: SOME OF THE IMAGES IN THE STORY ARE DISTURBING.

>> Reporter: IT'S MONDAY AFTERNOON AT THE HOSPITAL IN MISURATA. THE U.N. MAY WELL HAVE CHARGED NATO WITH PROTECTING LIBYA'S CIVILIANS, BUT IT IS EASY TO FIND CIVILIANS NATO IS NOT PROTECTING. AND NOW, YOU SEE, ANOTHER ONE.

>> ANOTHER ONE.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER BLOWN-UP PERSON ARRIVES IN MISURATA'S INTENSIVE CARE UNIT, I.C.U. ONLY TO FIND IT'S FOUL OVERFLOWING.

>> IF ONE ENTERS NOW, THEY ARE GOING TO DIE. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LET THE SHIP ENTER INTO THE POINT TO TAKE THIS PERSON TO BENGHAZI. THIS IS OUR PROBLEM.

>> Reporter: ALREADY PATIENTS ARE DYING WHILE LISTED FOR TRANSFER BY BOAT TO BENGHAZI. THEY HAVE A LIST OF OTHERS DESPERATE TO MOVE. THESE ARE PEOPLE IN NEED? PEOPLE WHO MUST BE EVACUATED?

>> YES!

>> Reporter: FOUR INTENSIVE CARE CASES, 33 IN ALL WAITING FOR THAT SHIP. TO GET IN AND GET OUT OF MISURATA PORTS INVOLVES CONGREGATING AROUND 1500 PEOPLE, DOCK WORKERS, A THOUSAND MIGRANT WORKERS DESPERATE TO ESCAPE, 50 OR 60 HOSPITAL PATIENTS AND SO FORTH. CONGREGATING 1,500 PEOPLE IN A CONFINED SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SHELLING ZONE FOR ANYTHING UP TO FIVE OR SIX HOURS. IT IS NOT AN EASY CALL. 12 MILES OFFSHORE, THIS SHIP IS UP ABLE TO DOCK. COLONEL QADDAFI SAYS ANY SHIP NOW LEAVING OR ENTERING MISURATA IS A TARGET. SMOKE RISES FROM THE ALMOST DAILY SALVOS OF MISSILES AND SHELLS THAT HIT THE PORT AREA. SO TO MAKE A RUN FOR IT IS TO BE EITHER BRAVE OR FOOLISH. OR BOTH. AND YET TO OUR ASTONISHMENT, THE SKIPPER OF THIS TURKISH FREIGHTER DID JUST THAT. EVEN AS THEY'RE HIT BY INCOMING SHELLS AND MORTARS. CLOSE IN AT THE DOCKSIDE, IT'S LETHAL.

>> WE NEED TO GET OVER HERE! WE NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE. SHELLING THE PORT HAPPENS DAILY. TWO PEOPLE KILLED IN THIS ATTACK ALONE. SEVERAL MORE SERIOUSLY HURT. (SCREAMING) BUT CONSIDER, TOO, THE REASON WHY THIS SHIP IS COMING IN THE FIRST PLACE. A THOUSAND MIGRANT WORKERS STILL HERE, STILL TRAPPED IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S WAR. AND DESPERATE TO GO HOME. THEY, TOO, ARE BEING SHELLED.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, WE ARE DYING HERE, THIS BOMBARDMENT, THE SMOKE IS KILLING US. NOW EVERYBODY'S SICK HERE NOW. NO MEDICINE. NO ANYTHING. WE ARE DYING HERE. PLEASE, WORLD, IF YOU ARE HEARING ME, HELP US.

>> Reporter: AND THIS NIGERIAN MAN WAS SHELLED IN THAT CAMP AND COULD INDEED BE DYING. HE'S SCHEDULED TO BE MOVED ON THE SHIP TO THE SAFETY OF BEHANGZI WHE BENGHAZI WHEN THE SHIP COMES IN IF THE SHIP COMES IN. BY THIS MORNING, THE SHIP'S BEEN WAITING FOUR DAYS. WE WENT TO SEE THE HARBORMASTER AND FOUND CHAOS. THE SHIP NOT EVEN SPEAKING TO THIS HARBORMASTER'S OFFICE.

>> IT'S A NATO WARSHIP, MISURATA PORT CONTROL TRY TO CONTACT. FINALLY PEOPLE STARTED TALKING AND A SHIP APPEARED AND STEAMED STRAIGHT INTO PORT WITHOUT CONTACTING THE HARBORMASTER. FIVE AND A HALF DAYS BUT THEY'VE MADE IT HERE. THE MEDICINE IS UNLOADED AT TOP SPEED. THIS IS AN INCOMING ZONE FOR SHELLS. BUT THE JUBILATION IS SHORT LIVED. A FEW HOURS AFTER DOCKING, THE SOUND OF INCOMING MISSILES AND PEOPLE RUN FOR COVER. THAT WAS A SALVO OF 12 MISSILES AND BECAUSE OF THAT, QUITE UNDERSTANDABLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHIP IS CUTTING AND RUNNING. THEY'VE DELIVERED MEDICAL GOODS THIS MORNING. THEY'RE NOT WAITING TO PICK PEOPLE UP FROM THE HOSPITAL. ARMED REBELS SCREAM AT THE CAPTAIN NOT TO GO AND HE SEEMED TO LISTEN. AND SUDDENLY THE FIRST AMBULANCES WITH THOSE I.C.U. PATIENTS WITH AT THE DOCKSIDE. THE LOADING SYSTEMS GOING WELL, THE LAST THOUSAND MIGRANT WORKERS TRAPPED BY THE FIGHTING QUEUING UP, EMBARKING. IT'S VERY ORDERLY. UNTIL, THAT IS, SCORES OF WELL-CONNECTED LIBYANS FROM MISURATA TURN UP, PUSH IN, AND IT ALL FALLS APART. A REBEL GUNMAN FIRES HIS KALASHNIKOV. AT THIS POINT, HUNDREDS MORE MIGRANT WORKERS ARRIVE. THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THIS BOAT WAS SENT FOR AND NOW THEY CAN'T GET ON. THEY'VE LOST CONTROL, THE CAPTAIN FEARS THE BOAT BEING OVERLOADED AND INCOMING SHELLS. WITHOUT WARNING, THEY COST OFF. A SHIP WHICH CAME TO PICK UP HUNDREDS OF MIGRANT AFRICAN WORKERS LEAVES THEM FORLORN ON THE KEY SIDE IN THE SHELLING ZONE. AND ONLY NOW WE LEARN THAT SEVERAL WERE, INDEED, KILLED IN THAT SALVO AN HOUR OR SO BEFORE.

>> ONE WOMAN AND HER HUSBAND. FIVE THIS MORNING, 21 HOURS AGO.

>> Reporter: THIS WOMAN DISTRAUGHT, HER HUSBAND STILL ON THE KEY SIDE. AND DOWN BELOW, ONE OF THE PATIENTS IS DYING. THEY HAVE TO REDOCK. FIVE DAYS TO GET INTO THIS PORT, FIVE HOURS TO GET OUT OF IT, AND STILL THIS HUMANITARIAN MISSION IN THIS TOWN IS NOT COMPLETE.

>> Lehrer:

>> Brown: THE SHIP DID MANAGE TO PICK UP 800 PEOPLE, BUT HAD HOPED TO TAKE AWAY AS MANY AS A THOUSAND. ITS DESTINATION IS BENGHAZI IN THE EAST, WHICH IS HELD BY THE REBELS.

>> Woodruff: FINALLY TONIGHT, THE AFTERMATH OF THE FINANCIAL CRISIS AND HOW A DOCUMENTARY IS INFLUENCING SOME LEADING ECONOMIC THINKERS. "NEWSHOUR" ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT PAUL SOLMAN REPORTS AS PART OF HIS ONGOING COVERAGE ON "MAKING SENSE OF FINANCIAL NEWS."

>> Reporter: THE DOCUMENTARY "INSIDE JOB," WHICH WON AN OSCAR EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR ALLEGING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN ECONOMICS. WE SAT DOWN IN NEW YORK RECENTLY WITH ITS DIRECTOR, CHARLES FERGUSON. A MAJOR FOCUS OF THE FILM-- ECONOMISTS NOT DISCLOSING THEIR FUNDING SOURCES, RIGHT?

>> TRUE, BUT EVEN MORE SERIOUSLY ECONOMISTS BEING CORRUPTED BY THEIR FUNDING SOURCES WHICH THEY ALSO DON'T DISCLOSE.

>> Reporter: ACADEMIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AS IT HAPPENS, IS NOW MUCH IN THE NEWS.

>> IT WAS REVEALED A FEW DAYS AGO THAT MONITOR GROUP, A CONSULTING FIRM FOUNDED BY A HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL PROFESSOR HAD BEEN PAID BY THE LIBYAN GOVERNMENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC IMAGE OF LIBYA AND HAD USED VERY PROMINENT PROFESSORS TO DO THIS WHO DID NOT DISCLOSE THEIR PAYMENTS BY THE LIBYAN GOVERNMENT.

>> Reporter: "INSIDE JOB" FOCUSES ON THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008, AND THE ROLE OFN ACADEMIC ECONOMISTS WRITING ROSY FORECASTS LIKE THIS ONE ABOUT ICELAND.

>> THE ECONOMY HAS ALREADY ADJUSTED TO FINANCIAL LIBERALIZATION, WHILE PRUDENTIAL REGULATION AND SUPERVISION IS GENERALLY QUITE STRONG.

>> Reporter: NOT LONG AFTER, OF COURSE, ICELAND'S BANKING SYSTEM BLEW UP. THE PAPER WAS WRITTEN BY COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY ECONOMIST AND FORMER FED GOVERNOR FREDERIC MISHKIN.

>> HOW MUCH WERE YOU PAID TO WRITE IT?

>> WELL, I WAS PAID-- I THINK THE NUMBER WAS ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION?

>> Reporter: PROFESSOR MISHKIN EMAILED US AND HE SAID, "LOOK, EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THIS WAS A PAPER DONE FOR A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, THE ICELAND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. HAD IT BEEN AN ACADEMIC PAPER THE FUNDING SOURCE WOULD HAVE BEEN HIS OPENING FOOTNOTE."

>> FIRST OF ALL, THAT PAPER WAS EXTREMELY WIDELY CIRCULATED AFTER IT WAS WRITTEN AND MANY PEOPLE WITH WHOM I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS QUESTION THINK THAT IT ACTUALLY HAD A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN WORSENING ICELAND'S BUBBLE WHICH WAS ALREADY VERY BAD WHEN HE WROTE THE PAPER. SECONDLY, NOT ONLY WAS HE PAID TO WRITE IT BUT HE WAS WRONG ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN IT, AND HE WAS WRONG IN A

>> Reporter: BUT ALL OF US ARE WRONG SOMETIMES.

>> YES, EVERYBODY CAN BE WRONG, BUT IN THIS CASE EVERYBODY WAS PAID TO BE WRONG AND THEY WERE ALL PAID TO BE WRONG IN THE SAME DIRECTION AND YOU CAN'T FIND VERY MANY EXAMPLES, IN FACT I HAVEN'T FOUND A SINGLE ONE, OF PEOPLE MAKING STATEMENTS CONTRARY TO THE FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THEM.

>> Reporter: FORMER HEAD OF PRESIDENT BUSH'S COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISORS GLENN HUBBARD IS ALSO AGGRESSIVELY CONFRONTED IN THE FILM.

>> DO YOU THINK THAT A SIGNIFICANT FRACTION OF THE ECONOMICS DISCIPLINE, A NUMBER OF ECONOMISTS, HAVE FINANCIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT IN SOME WAY MIGHT CALL INTO QUESTION OR COLOR.

>> I DOUBT IT. MOST ACADEMIC ECONOMISTS AREN'T WEALTHY BUSINESS PEOPLE.

>> HUBBARD MAKES $250,000 A YEAR AS A BOARD MEMBER OF MET LIFE AND WAS FORMERLY ON THE B OOAFOA CAPMARK, A MAJOR COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE LENDER WHICH WENT BANKRUPT DURING THE BUBBLE, IN 2009.

>> Reporter: HUBBARD DECLINED TO SPEAK TO US ON CAMERA. BUT HE POINTS OUT THAT HIS CLIENTS ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. HE SAYS THAT HIS TIES TO THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY ARE RIGHT THERE ON HIS WEBSITE AND IN FACT THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT THEM.

>> SOME OF THEM ARE DISCLOSED ON HIS WEBSITE. THEY ARE NOT HOWEVER USUALLY DISCLOSED IN HIS PUBLICATIONS OR HIS PUBLIC STATEMENTS. AND HIS WEBSITE DOES NOT DISCLOSE THE VERY LARGE QUANTITY OF ADDITIONAL CONSULTING THAT HE DOES FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES FIRMS AND INDUSTRY ASSOCIATIONS. WHO ARE YOUR CONSULTING CLIENTS?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU. IN FACT, YOU HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES AND THE INTERVIEW IS OVER.

>> Reporter: I KNOW PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU WERE UNFAIR TO LAURA TYSON AND RUTH SIMMONS FOR APPARENTLY JUST NOT HAVING GIVEN YOU AN INTERVIEW.

>> THERE WERE DOZENS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO TURNED DOWN INTERVIEWS. WE MENTIONED IT IN THE FILM WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS RELEVANT.

>> Reporter: BUT RUTH SIMMONS? THE PRESIDENT OF BROWN UNIVERSITY?

>> SHE'S ON THE BOARD OF GOLDMAN SACHS. LAURA TYSON MAKES $350,000 A YEAR IN CASH PLUS SOME STOCK AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF MORGAN STANLEY, AND ONE WILL LOOK IN VAIN FOR STATEMENTS BY LAURA TYSON ABOUT HOW INVESTMENT BANKING BEHAVED UNETHICALLY DURING THE CRISIS.

>> Reporter: TYSON-- A BERKELEY PROFESSOR WHO CHAIRED PRESIDENT CLINTON'S COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISORS-- AND SIMMONS BOTH DECLINED TO TALK TO US AS WELL. BUT IN FACT, THE ECONOMICS PROFESSION HAS RESPONDED TO "INSIDE JOB." AT ITS ANNUAL CONVENTION IN JANUARY, ITS OFFICIAL BODY DECIDED TO WORK ON A CODE OF ETHICS THAT MIGHT WELL INCLUDE FULL DISCLOSURE. THE FILM HAS HAD A DEMONSTRABLE IMPACT. SO, DOES FERGUSON THINK EVERYTHING IS OKAY?

>> NO, EVERYTHING IS NOT OKAY. IT IS STILL POSSIBLE TO PUBLISH THINGS AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS STILL POSSIBLE TO DO THINGS LIKE TESTIFY IN CONGRESS WITHOUT STATING YOU KNOW, "I'M BEING PAID TO TESTIFY IN CONGRESS." THIS ISSUE IS NOW PERVASIVE IN AMERICAN ACADEMIA AND IN MY VIEW IT'S A GRAVE THREAT TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF ACADEMIC RESEARCH IN THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.

>> Reporter: CHARLES FERGUSON, THK VEU RYYO MUCH.

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>> Brown: AGAIN, THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THE DAY: PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID HE WILL NOT RELEASE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWING A DEAD OSAMA BIN LADEN. HE SAID IT WOULD CREATE A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK. RIVAL PALESTINIAN GROUPS HAMAS AND FATAH SIGNED A UNITY DEAL AFTER FOUR YEARS OF BITTER DIVISION. AND FEARS OF RECORD FLOODING RIPPLED DOWN THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. TOWNS IN EIGHT STATES FACED EVACUATIONS.

>> Brown: AND TO HARI SREENIVASAN FOR WHAT'S ON THE "NEWSHOUR" ONLINE. HARI?

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>> Woodruff: AND AGAIN TO OUR HONOR ROLL OF AMERICAN SERVICE PERSONNEL KILLED IN THE IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN CONFLICTS. WE ADD THEM AS THEIR DEATHS ARE MADE OFFICIAL AND PHOTOGRAPHS BECOME AVAILABLE. HERE, IN SILENCE, ARE EIGHT MORE. M

>> Woodruff: AND THAT'S THE "NEWSHOUR" FOR TONIGHT. ON THURSDAY, WE'LL LOOK AT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S VISIT TO GROUND ZERO IN NEW YORK. I'M JUDY WOODRUFF.

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