PBS NewsHour; March 30, 2012 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT

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>> Woodruff: AFTER HEARING THREE DAYS OF ARGUMENTS ON HEALTH CARE REFORM, SUPREME COURT JUSTICES HOLD A SECRET PRELIMINARY VOTE TODAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M JUDY WOODRUFF.

>> Brown: AND I'M JEFFREY BROWN. ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT, MARCIA COYLE WALKS US THROUGH THE STEPS AHEAD AS THE JUSTICES BEGIN THEIR DELIBERATIONS.

>> Woodruff: THEN, WE LOOK AT APPLE'S AGREEMENT TO WORK WITH CHINESE SUPPLIER FOXCONN TO IMPROVE SALARIES AND WORK CONDITIONS AT FACTORIES THAT MANUFACTURE iPHONES AND iPADS.

>> Brown: MARGARET WARNER EXAMINES NEW DETAILS OF OSAMA BIN LADEN'S UNDETECTED LIFE ON THE RUN FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS IN PAKISTAN AFTER 9/11.

>> Woodruff: MARK SHIELDS AND DAVID BROOKS ANALYZE THE WEEK'S NEWS.

>> Brown: IN THE SECOND OF TWO REPORTS FROM BURMA, KIRA KAY EXAMINES THE NATION'S FIRST STEPS TO ALLOW GREATER FREEDOM FOR THE PRESS AND POLITICAL ACTIVISM.

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>> Woodruff: THE NINE JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT TOOK THEIR INITIAL VOTES TODAY AFTER THREE DAYS OF ARGUMENTS THIS WEEK ON PRESIDENT OBAMA'S HEALTHCARE LAW. THEIR DECISION IS NOT EXPECTED UNTIL LATE JUNE. THE VICE-PRESIDENT TOLD CBS IN AN INTERVIEW THAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S FOCUS IS ON IMPLEMENTING THE TWO-YEAR-OLD LAW, NOT ON THE COURT'S DELIBERATIONS.

>> NO ONE'S MADE ANY MONEY BETTING AN OUTCOME OF CASES BASED ON THE ORAL ARGUMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS ASKED. WE THINK THE MANDATE AND THE LAW IS CONSTITUTIONAL, AND WE THINK THE COURT WILL RULE THAT WAY. I JUST THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON WHAT IS THE LAW DOING FOR PEOPLE NOW, AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, IN FACT, THE REPUBLICANS WERE ABLE TO REPEAL IT.

>> Brown: FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY SIGNED INTO LAW A BILL SIMILAR TO THE ONE PASSED ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. BUT HE TOLD AN AUDIENCE IN WISCONSIN TODAY THAT IF THE COURT DOES NOT STRIKE DOWN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, HE HOPES TO REPEAL IT.

>> IF "OBAMACARE" IS ALLOWED TO STAND, GOVERNMENT WILL DIRECTLY CONTROL ALMOST HALF OF THE U.S. ECONOMY. GOVERNMENT MUST HAVE... IT'S GOT TO BE SMALLER. IT HAS TO HAVE STRICT LIMITS PLACED ON ITS POWER. "OBAMACARE" VIOLATES BOTH OF THOSE PRINCIPLES, AND IF I'M PRESIDENT, I WILL REPEAL IT. ( APPLAUSE )

>> Woodruff: AND TODAY THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE WAS CRITICIZED FOR RELEASING A WEB VIDEO THAT MANIPULATED AUDIO OF U.S. SOLICITOR GENERAL DONALD VERRILLI. THE VIDEO WAS EDITED SO IT WOULD EXAGGERATE STUMBLES HE MADE WHILE ARGUING TUESDAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT IN FAVOR OF THE HEALTHCARE LAW.

>> BECAUSE THE, UH-- THE, UH... EXCUSE ME.

>> Woodruff: JOINING US NOW IS MARCIA COYLE WITH THE "NATIONAL LAW JOURNAL." SHE COVERS THE SUPREME COURT FOR THE NEWSHOUR AND SHE WAS THERE FOR THE ARGUMENTS THIS WEEK. AND WELCOME BACK.

>> THANKS, JUDY.

>> Woodruff: SO OF ALL THE CASES THAT COME TO THE SUPREME COURT, CLEARLY THIS IS AMONG THE MOST IMPORTANT MARCIA, NOT JUST JUDGE HEALTH CARE REFORM BUT JUDGING THE ABILITY OF CONGRESS TO MAKE LAW.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, JUDY. VERY FUNDAMENTALLY THE COURT IS EXAMINING THE SCOPE OF CONGRESS' POWER TO MAKE LAWS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. SO WHATEVER THE COURT DECIDES IN THE HEALTH CARE CASE, IT'S LIKELY TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON CONGRESS' ABILITY TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD THAT ARE PROBLEMS WITH NATIONAL SCOPE OR NATURE. THE COURT MAY ANNOUNCE LIMITS ON CONGRESS' POWER. WE DON'T KNOW. BUT IT CERTAINLY GOES BEYOND THE HEALTH CARE LAW THAT IS AT ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

>> Woodruff: SO TODAY THE JUSTICES AFTER THE HEARINGS EARLIER THIS WEEK, THEY MET. THEY HAD A CONFERENCE. TELL US WHAT GOES ON.

>> SURE. THERE IS A ROOM OFF THE CHIEF JUSTICE'S CHAMBERS. IT'S A STATELY ROOM WITH A FIREPLACE AND IT ALSO HAS AN OBLONG TABLE. THE CHIEF JUSTICE SITS AT THE HEAD OF THE TABLE, JUSTICE SCALIA IS AT THE OTHER END. HE IS THE SENIOR ASSOCIATE JUSTICE, AND THE CHIEF, BY TRADITION, PRESENTS THE CASE TO THE OTHER JUSTICES, AND BY SENIORITY THEY GO AROUND THE TABLE ANNOUNCING THEIR VOTES. IF THE CHIEF JUSTICE IS IN THE MAJORITY AT THE END OF THAT VOTEITAL TALLY, HE WILL ASSIGN THE MAJORITY OPINION EITHER TO HIMSELF PERHAPS OR TO ANOTHER JUSTICE. THEN IF HE'S NOT IN THE MAJORITY, THE JUSTICE WHO IS NEXT IN LINE MOST SENIOR IN THE MAJORITY WILL DO THE ASSIGNING OF THE OPINION. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PERIOD WHERE THE JUSTICES ARE DRAFTING OPINIONS. THEY'RE EXCHANGING THOUGHTS, AND THE ULTIMATE RESULT PROBABLY WILL BE IN JUNE.

>> Woodruff: SO DO THEY TALK ABOUT THE CASE BETWEEN NOW WHEN THE END OF JUNE OR DO THEY JUST EXCHANGE WRITTEN OPINION?

>> THEY REALLY DO PRIMARILY COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE DRAFT OPINIONS. THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION IN CONFERENCE WHEN THEY VOTE, BUT, REALLY, THIS IS A BODY THAT TALKS THROUGH ITS WRITINGS.

>> Woodruff: AND, MARCIA, DO THEY TYPICALLY HOLD TO THE SAME POSITION THAT THEY HELD TODAY, THE DAY OF THIS CONFERENCE, OR COULD THAT CHANGE?

>> PROBABLY MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT HISTORY, AND EVEN IN RECENT TIMES, OF JUSTICES CHANGING THEIR MINDS, EVEN THE JUSTICE ASSIGNED TO WRITE THE MAJORITY OPINION MAY CHANGE HIS OR HER MIND. THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE I THINK IN THE 90s WHEN JUSTICE KENNEDY WAS WRITING A MAJORITY OPINION INVOLVING PRAYER AT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, AND HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND HE ENDED UP WRITING A MAJORITY OPINION BUT WITH A DIFFERENT FOUR JUSTICES JOINING HIM.

>> Woodruff: BUT TYPICALLY IT'S BELIEVED THEY STICK TO THE OPINION--

>> GENERALLY THEY DO, I THINK.

>> Woodruff: SO A POLITICAL QUESTION, MARCIA. YOU'VE SEEN THIS AD THAT-- THE WEB AD THAT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE PUT OUT TODAY.

>> YES.

>> Woodruff: ESSENTIALLY DOCTORING SOME OF THE AUDIO OF THE COURT ARGUMENT ON TUESDAY, MAKING THE GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY'S PRESENTATION SOUND WORSE THAN IT WAS, MORE HESITATION ON HIS PART, SING WATER AND SO FORTH. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE SOLICITOR GENERAL, DONALD VIRILLI HAD SOMETHING OF A FROG IN HIS THROAT AND HE DID CLEAR IT AND GOT THROUGH HIS ARGUMENT. AS FAR AS THE R.N.C. AD GOES, MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS IT'S DISHONEST. IF IT'S DISHONEST, IT'S INEXCUSABLE. MY SECOND THOUGHT WAS IT MAY WELL HAVE AN IMPACT BEYOND THAT ON THE PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO GET THE COURT TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT IN ITS PROCEEDINGS. THE COURT HAS RESISTED CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM, PARTIALLY OUT OF FEAR THAT IT WILL BE MISUSED ON TV. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS THIS WEEK BENT HIS RULE OF PUTTING UP AUDIO OF THE ARGUMENTS REGULARLY ON FRIDAYS OF ARGUMENTS WEEK SO WE COULD HAVE IT ON THE SAME DAY. AND NOW IT MAY BE THERE WILL BE SOME JUSTICES WHO WILL SAY, WELL, LOOK, EVEN THE AUDIO IS ABUSED. NO WAY WE'LL LET CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM. SO I THINK THE HARM IS TO THE PUBLIC MORE THAN ANYTHING.

>> Woodruff: WELL, WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE AND WE WILL BE WATCHING. MARCIA COIL, THANK YOU.

>> MY PLEASURE, JUDY.

>> Brown: YOU CAN FIND BLOGS FROM MARCIA AND ALL OF OUR COVERAGE OF THE COURT HEARINGS THIS WEEK ARCHIVED ON OUR HEALTH PAGE AT newshour.pbs.org. AND STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: WORKING CONDITIONS IN APPLE'S CHINA FACTORIES; BIN LADEN ON THE RUN IN PAKISTAN; SHIELDS AND BROOKS; OPENING DOORS TO PRESS FREEDOM AND POLITICAL ACTIVISM IN BURMA; AND THE MEGA-MILLION LOTTERY PHENOMENON. BUT FIRST, THE OTHER NEWS OF THE DAY. HERE'S HARI SREENIVASAN.

>> Sreenivasan: PRESIDENT OBAMA IS MOVING FORWARD ON TOUGH NEW SANCTIONS ON IRAN AIMED AT PUTTING A SQUEEZE ON THEIR OIL EXPORTS. THE CRACKDOWN LETS THE U.S. IMPOSE SANCTIONS ON FOREIGN BANKS THAT CONTINUE TO BUY OIL FROM IRAN. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SAID IN A STATEMENT IT HAD DETERMINED THERE WAS ENOUGH OIL IN WORLD MARKETS TO ALLOW COUNTRIES TO RELY LESS ON IRANIAN OIL. THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE IS DESIGNED TO PUSH IRAN TO ABANDON ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. THE U.S. ALSO IMPOSED STRONGER SANCTIONS AGAINST SYRIA TODAY, TARGETING THREE OF THE COUNTRY'S TOP DEFENSE AND SECURITY OFFICIALS. THAT CAME AS A SPOKESMAN FOR KOFI ANNAN WARNED THE PEACE ENVOY'S PLAN FOR A CEASE-FIRE MUST BE IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY. STILL, ACTIVISTS REPORTED FRESH VIOLENCE ACROSS NORTHERN AND CENTRAL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY, LIKE HERE IN HOMS, WHERE THICK PLUMES OF SMOKE HOVERED ABOVE THE CITY. ACTIVISTS REPORTED AT LEAST 34 PEOPLE DIED. IN AFGHANISTAN, TWO NATO SERVICE MEMBERS WERE KILLED OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS. ONE DIED IN A ROADSIDE BOMBING, THE OTHER IN AN INSURGENT ATTACK IN THE SOUTH. SEPARATELY, IN PAKTIKA PROVINCE, AN AFGHAN VILLAGE POLICE OFFICER KILLED NINE OF HIS COMRADES LAST NIGHT AS THEY SLEPT. THE TALIBAN CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY. SOME OF THE TOWNS JUST INSIDE A NUCLEAR EVACUATION ZONE IN JAPAN WILL REOPEN, STARTING SUNDAY. FOR THE MOST PART, THE 12-MILE PERIMETER SET UP AFTER LAST YEAR'S NUCLEAR LEAK AT THE FUKUKSHIMA PLANT WILL REMAIN INTACT. BUT ABOUT 16,000 RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN TO THREE TOWNS WHERE CONTAMINATION LEVELS ARE LOWER. EVEN SO, PARTS OF THOSE TOWNS WILL STILL BE OFF-LIMITS BECAUSE OF HIGHER EXPOSURE LEVELS. NEW DATA FROM THE U.S. COMMERCE DEPARTMENT SHOWED CONSUMER SPENDING WAS UP IN FEBRUARY BY THE MOST IN SEVEN MONTHS. ANALYSTS ATTRIBUTED THE JUMP TO A RECENT SURGE IN AUTO SALES. STOCKS WERE MIXED ON WALL STREET AFTER A QUIET DAY OF TRADING. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAINED 66 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 13,212, POSTING ITS BEST QUARTERLY GAIN SINCE 1998. THE NASDAQ FELL MORE THAN THREE POINTS TO CLOSE AT 3,091. FOR THE WEEK, THE DOW GAINED 1%; THE NASDAQ ROSE JUST BELOW 1%. OFFSHORE WIND FARMS MAY APPEAR IN THE GREAT LAKES SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED A DEAL WITH FIVE STATES TODAY TO SPEED UP THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR PROPOSED FARMS. THE STATES THAT SIGNED ONTO THE AGREEMENT ARE NEW YORK, PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, ILLINOIS, AND MINNESOTA. INDIANA, OHIO, AND WISCONSIN DECLINED FOR NOW, BUT COULD JOIN THE PARTNERSHIP LATER ON. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO OFFSHORE WIND TURBINES IN THE LAKES. OPPONENTS CONTEND THEY WOULD RUIN VIEWS, LOWER PROPERTY VALUES, AND HURT BIRDS AND FISH. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DAY'S MAJOR STORIES. NOW, BACK TO JEFF.

>> Brown: AND WE TURN TO A PLEDGE TO IMPROVE WORKING CONDITIONS AT ONE OF APPLE'S MAJOR SUPPLIERS IN CHINA. AS APPLE SURGED TOWARD ITS STATUS AS THE WORLD'S MOST VALUABLE COMPANY, THE CALLS FOR IT TO ACCOUNT FOR HOW ITS WILDLY POPULAR iPADS AND iPHONES ARE MADE HAVE GROWN. LAST MONTH, THE CALIFORNIA-BASED FIRM ANNOUNCED IT HAD ASKED THE FAIR LABOR ASSOCIATION, A MONITORING GROUP, TO INVESTIGATE FOXCONN, APPLE'S MAIN CONTRACT MANUFACTURER IN CHINA. FOXCONN WORKS FOR DOZENS OF OTHER FIRMS, TOO. ALTOGETHER, IT PRODUCES SOME 40% OF THE WORLD'S ELECTRONICS, WITH A WORKFORCE OF 1.2 MILLION. IN A REPORT ABOUT FOXCONN RELEASED YESTERDAY, THE F.L.A. CITED EXCESSIVE OVERTIME, EXCEEDING 60 HOURS A WEEK, AND PROBLEMS WITH OVERTIME COMPENSATION, SEVERAL HEALTH AND SAFETY RISKS, AND "CRUCIAL COMMUNICATION GAPS THAT HAVE LED TO A WIDESPREAD SENSE OF UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS AMONG ITS WORKERS." THE FINDINGS SHED LIGHT ON ALLEGATIONS OF UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES THAT HAD TRIGGERED PROTESTS AT APPLE STORES.

>> APPLE HAS CHANGED THE WAY WE LISTEN TO MUSIC, HOW WE SEE MOVIES, HOW WE USE OUR COMPUTERS. THEY HAVE THE CREATIVITY AND THE CAPABILITY TO MAKE THIS BETTER. THEY CAN MAKE THEIR PRODUCTS WITHOUT HORRIBLE HUMAN SUFFERING.

>> Brown: THE F.L.A. ALSO LAID OUT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT INCLUDED A MAXIMUM 60-HOUR WORK WEEK AND CHANGES TO FOXCONN'S OVERTIME COMPENSATION POLICY. IN A STATEMENT, AN APPLE SPOKESMAN SAID, "WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THE F.L.A. HAS DONE TO ASSESS CONDITIONS AT FOXCONN, AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS." FOR ITS PART, FOXCONN VOWED TO CAP WORK WEEKS AT 49 HOURS, HIRE THOUSANDS OF NEW EMPLOYEES, AND IMPROVE SAFETY. EARLIER TODAY, I TALKED TO AURET VAN HEERDEN, THE HEAD OF THE FAIR LABOR ASSOCIATION, WHO OVERSAW THE INVESTIGATION AND REPORT ON FOXCONN'S LABOR PRACTICES. MR. VAN HEERDEN, WELCOME. NOW YOU CITELET THE FACT THAT SOME 43% OF THE WORKERS HAVE EXPERIENCED OR WITNESSEDAND ACCIDENT SO THESE ARE VERY DANGEROUS PLACES TO WORK, RIGHT?

>> YES AND NO. THE 43% SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN AS AN ACCIDENT STATISTIC. IT'S A PERCEPTION. AND IN FACT, WHEN WE DROVE DOWN, WE FOUND FOXCONN HAD PUT IN PLACE ALL OF THE FORMAL PROCEDURES THAT YOU NEED TO MANAGE THE ACCIDENT RISKS IN THOSE FACILITYS. WHAT THEY'RE MISSING IS THE COMMUNICATIONS PIECE. THEY'RE NOT GETTING THAT MESSAGE ACROSS TO WORKERS, AND THEY'RE NOT WINNING THE CONFIDENCE AND THE TRUST OF WORKERS AS FAR AS THE SAFETY OF THE-- AND THE HEALTH OF THE WORKPLACE IS CONCERNED.

>> Brown: NOW YOU ALSO CITED LONG WORKING HOURS AND INSUFFICIENT WAGES TO MAKE A LIVING. YOU CAN GIVE US SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THINGS YOU'VE HEARD?

>> SO WORKERS IN PEAK PERIODS ARE WORKING UPWARDS OF 60 HOURS A WEEK, SOMETHING BETWEEN 60 AND 70 IS THE NORM AT PEAK, BUT SOME ARE WORKING BEYOND THAT, AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, SOMETIMES THEY'RE WORKING AS MUCH AS 10 OR 11 DAYS STRAIGHT WITHOUT A DAY OFF. SO THAT'S CLEARLY A PERIOD WHERE THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM FATIGUE AND THE RISK OF ACCIDENTS INCREASES.

>> Brown: WHEN YOU ADD THIS UP, WERE YOU SURPRISED, AND HOW WOULD YOU ASSESS THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE VIOLATIONS YOU FOUND?

>> WE WEREN'T SURPRISED. I MUST SAY THAT THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE RANGE THAT WE NORMALLY FIND IN CHINESE FACTORIES. AND GIVEN FOXCONN'S SIZE AND THEIR RESOURCES, THEY ACTUALLY ARE MAKING MUCH FASTER PROGRESS THAN MOST OF THE FACTORIES THAT WE WORK WITH.

>> Brown: AND WHAT WITH OF APPLE? DO YOU SEE APPLE AS AN HONEST BROKER HERE AND SINCERE IN ITS DESIRE TO BRING CHANGE?

>> THEY ARE. THEY'RE VERY ENGAGED. I'VE BEEN TO APPLE WITH TOP MANAGEMENT. WOVE HAD VERY, VERY DETAILED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OUR FINDINGS AND APPLE HAS BEEN AT THE TABLE AT ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND PUSHING HARD FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

>> Brown: ANOTHER ISSUE IN THE REPORT WAS WORKER REPRESENTATION. YOU FOUND UNIONS AND OTHER WORKER GROUPS WERE TYPICALLY DOMINATED BY PEOPLE CHOSEN BY THE COMPANY AND NOT THE WORKERS THEMSELVES. HOW IMPORTANT A FINDING WAS THAT?

>> WE THINK IT'S A VERY BIG PART OF THIS STORY BECAUSE IT'S TYPICAL FOR CHINESE TRADE UNIONS AND CHINESE FACTORIES TO HAVE COMMITTEES THAT ARE SELECTED BY MANAGEMENT, AND IF THERE IS AN ELECTION PROCESS THE NOMINEES ARE HAND PICKED BY MANAGEMENT SO YOU END UP WITH A COMMIT THEY SHOULD BE REFLECTING WORKERS' CONCERNS AND WORKERS' NEEDS BUT IT'S MADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO COME FROM THE RANKS OF MANAGEMENT. IT'S NOT ACHIEVING ITS OBJECTIVES. WHAT WE FOUND IN MANY DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS IS THAT WORKERS AREN'T AWARE OF ISSUES. IF THEY ARE AWARE OF THEM, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT. AND SO THERE'S A CREDIBILITY GAP BETWEEN A LOT OF THE GOOD WORK WHICH IS TAKING PLACE AIR, LOT OF THE GOOD POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND WORKERS' PERCEPTION OF THOSE SAME POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

>> Brown: SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AGREEMENTS MADE BY FOXCONN, DO THINK IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SET A NEW STANDARD, BOTH FOR THE WESTERN TECH INDUSTRY AND FOR THEIR FACTORIES IN CHINA?

>> I DO. I THINK THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IS HUGE. AND FOR ME, THAT'S REALLY MOST EXCITING PART OF THIS STORY IS TO SEE HOW APEXPEL FOXCONN AND THE F.L.A. CAN COME TOGETHER AND COME TO AGREEMENTS WHICH WILL DIRECTLY IMPROVE THE LIVES OF 1.2 MILLION WORKERS. AND INDIRECTLY, SET THE BAR FOR THE REST OF THE SECTOR, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AS SOON AS APPLE AND FOXCONN IMPROVE THE WAGES AND WORKING CONDITIONS OF THESE WORKERS, WORKERS WILL FLOCK TO FOXCONN FROM OTHER FACTORIES IN THE AREA. AND SO THE COMPETITORS WILL BE OBLIGED TO IMPROVE THEIR TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN WORKERS SO WE KICK OFF A RACE TO THE TOP INSTEAD OF THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM THAT SO OFTEN DOMINATES.

>> Brown: FOXCONN HAS AGREED TO CHANGE BY-IN-THE-PAST AND WE KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN AUDITS BY APPLE IN THE PAST. IS THERE A SENSE THIS TIME THERE WILL BE REAL CHANGE AND FOLLOW-UP MONITORING AND VERIFICATION?

>> YES. I THINK WE HAVE TWO ASSURANCES HERE. THE FIRST IS THE F.L.A. WILL TON MONITOR THE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF THESE COMMITMENT. WE HAVE DETAILED TRACTION ITEMES, HUNDREDS OF THEM. WE HAVE THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE. WE HAVE THE DELIVERABLE AND THE DEADLINE. AND WE'LL BE SENDING OUR ASSESSORS BACK PERIODICALLY TO UPDATE AND VERIFY THE STATUS OF THOSE ACTION ITEMS. BUT SECONDLY, THEY'VE MADE THIS COMMITMENT PUBLICLY, AND THE MEDIA AND THE CONSUMERS AND THE EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS ALL ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY TO SEE WHETHER THEY LIVED UP TO THIS AND I DON'T DO NOT BELIEVE APPLE AND FOXCONN WOULD HAVE MADE THIS KIND OF COMMITMENT IF THEY WEREN'T PLANNING ON DELIVERING.

>> Brown: YOUR SENSE IS PUBLIC INTEREST AND PUBLIC PRESSURE HAS HAD AN IMPACT, THESE COMPANIES HAVE FELT IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE CONSUMER INTEREST IS CRITICAL TO THIS.

>> Brown: AURET VAN HEERDEN IS THE HEAD OF THE FAIR LABOR ASSOCIATION. THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Woodruff: NEXT, NEW DETAILS OF THE SECRET LIFE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN BETWEEN 9/11 AND THE DAY HE WAS KILLED BY U.S. NAVY SEALS IN PAKISTAN NEARLY TEN YEARS LATER. MARGARET WARNER HAS THE STORY.

>> Warner: MUCH OF THE NEW INFORMATION COMING FROM PAKISTANI INTERROGATIONS OF BIN LADEN'S YOUNGEST WIFE, A 30-YEAR-OLD YEMENI WHO SUSTAINED A GUNSHOT WOUND TO HER LEG THE NIGHT BIN LADEN WAS KILLED. THE INTERROGATION REPORT FIRST DISCLOSED BY THE PAKISTANI NEWSPAPER "DAWN" SHOWS BIN LADEN ASK HIS THREE WIVES WERE LIVING IN PAKISTANI CITIES AND TOWNS FOR NEARLY ALL THE TIME THE AMERICANS WERE HUNTING HIM AFTER THE NOVEMBER 2001 INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN. AMAL AHMED ABDUL FAR,ET TOLD INTERROGATORS FROM 2002 TO 2010, BIN LADEN MOVED AMONG FIVE HOUSES AND FATHERS FOUR CHILDREN IN THE NORTHWEST CITY OF PESHAWAR NEAR THE AFGHANISTAN BORDER. THE SMALL TOWN OF HARIPOR IN THE SAME REGION AND FROM 2005 ON, IN ABOTABAD. FATAH AND THE TWO OLDER SAUDI WIDOWS OF BIN LADEN ARE UNDER HOUSE ARREST AT THE CAPITOL. FOR MORE WE TURN TO DEXTER WALSH IN ISLAM, AND "WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST DAVID IGNATIUS WHO HAS WRITTEN WIDELY ON PAKISTAN AND HAS HAD ACCESS TO SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS FOUND IN BIN LADEN'S LAST HOUSE. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. DECKLAND, BEGINNING WITH YOU, THE PICTURE THAT EMERGES HERE IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT MANY AMERICANS THOUGHT FAIR LONG TIME, WAS THAT BIN LADEN WAS SOME KIND OF HUNTED FIGURE ON THE RUN LIVING IN CAVES. FLUSH IT OUT FOR US, THE PICTURE WE GET FROM THIS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THE WORKING ASSUMPTION FOR CERTAINLY MOST OF THE PUBLIC INTERPRETATION OF BIN LADEN'S WHEREABOUTS FOR MOST OF THE PAST DECADE HAS BEEN THAT HE WAS IN PAKISTAN'S TRIBAL BELT ALONG THE BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN, AND THIS FROM HIS YOUNGEST WIFE NOW SUGGESTS THAT WASN'T THE CASE, THAT BIN LADEN SPENT MOST OF HIS TIME IN PASHTUN PROVIDENCEIN, NEXT TO THE TRIBAL BELT, VERY MUCH PART OF THE SETTLED AREAS OF PAKISTAN, IF YOU LIKE. BIN LADEN'S WIFE SAID SHE MET HIM IN PERSHAR, THE MAIN CITY IN THAT REGION, AROUND MID-2002. THAT THEY MOVED NORTH INTO THE MOUNTAINS, TO THE SWAT VALLEY. THEY SPENT SOME TIME THERE WITH THE-- IN TWO HOUSES WITH THE RELATIVEES OF A CLOSE ASSOCIATE OF HIS. THEN THEY MOVED TO ANOTHER HOUSE IN A PLACE CALLED HARIPOUR AS THEY SAY, WHERE BIN LADEN'S YOUNGEST WIFE GAVE BIRTH TO TWO CHILDREN IN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT HOSPITAL, APPARENTLY STAYING IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A SHORT PERIOD, TWO, THREE HOURS ON EACH OCCASION. AND FINALLY THEY MOVED TO THE HOUSE IN ABOTABAD IN MID-2005 WHEN WHERETHEY STAYED FOR SIX YEARS UNTIL THE AMERICAN NAVY SEALs BROKE THROUGH THE DOORS LAST MAY, KILLED BIN LADEN, AND WOUNDED HIS YOUNGEST WIFE DURING THE RAID.

>> Warner: AND WHAT-- TELL US ABOUT-- SHE'S QUITE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHO HELPED THEM IN ALL THESE MOVES AND FOUND THE HOUSES FOR THEM. TELL US BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, ON THE ONE HAND, THERE IS VERY LITTLE INFORMATION IN FACT ABOUT WHO EXACTLY WAS HELPING THE BIN LADEN FAMILY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REFERENCES IN THESE DOCUMENTS, PARTICULARLY IN THE EARLY PART OF THEIR JOURNEY THROUGH PAKISTAN, TO WHO ARE REFERRED TO AS PAKISTANI FAMILIES, BUT GIVING VERY LITTLE, DETAILS ABOUT WHO IS HELPING THEM. THAT'S VERY INTRIGUING. SECONDLY, IT SEEMS IN THE LATTER PART OF THEIR STAY, AND THE SECOND PART OF THE LAST DECADE IN PAKISTAN, THE BIN LADEN FAMILY WAS SHELTERED BY A PAIR OF PASHTUN BROTHERS. THESE ARE REFERRED TO IN THE DOCUMENTS AS IBRAHIM AND ABRAR. IPOF IBRAHIM IS BELIEVED TO BE A MAN KNOWN TO AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AS THE CUR YOUR BECAUSE HE WAS THE PERSON DELIVERING'RE DELIVERING MESSAGES FROM BIN LADEN TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD FOR MOST OF THIS TIME. THE CURIER AND HIS BROTHER AND THEIR FAMILIES LIVED WITH BIN LADEN'S WIFE OVERS MOST OF THAT PERIOD AND IT SEEMS PROTECTED THEM AS WELL.

>> Warner: DAVID IGNATIUS, WHAT DOES THIS IN TOTO ADD TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF BIN LADEN, REALLY THE LAST DECADE OF HIS LIFE AFTER 9/11?

>> WELL, IT'S-- IT FLUSHES OUT A PICTURE OF THIS MAN IN HIDING IT , REALLY SO FAR FROM THE FIGHT. WE HAD IMAGINED HIM, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, IN CAVES WITH LATER PREDATOR ATTACKS OVERHEAD. I THINK THE QUESTION THAT'S RAISED BY THESE DOCUMENTS IS WHO KNEW ABOUT BIN LADEN'S MOVEMENTS? IT JUST STRAINS ANY COUNTRY DUALITY THAT HE COULD HAVE LIVED IN FIVE DIFFERENT HOUSES IN PAKISTAN, THAT HIS WIFE GAVE BIRTH TO FOUR CHILDREN, TWO IN GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS, AND THAT THERE WASN'T SOME OFFICIAL KNOWLEDGE. PAKISTAN IS A PLACE WHERE YOU DON'T MOVE DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT PEOPLE SEEING AND KNOWING AND ASKING QUESTIONS AND MAKING INQUIRIES.

>> Warner: AND REPORTING OFTEN.

>> AND REPORTING TO THE SECURITY AUTHORITYS. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES WHERE THE INTERNAL SECURITY APPARATUS MAKES ITS JOB TO KNOW WHO'S WHERE. SO THE QUESTION WHO KNEW IN PAKISTAN? WHO FACILITATED THE MOVEMENTS THAT DECKLAND WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT MORE TO THE POINT, WHO IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND MIGHT HAVE BEEN KNOWLEDGEABLE AS HE MOVED FROM PLACE TO PLACE AND THEN IN THANK YOU LONG STRETCH OF SIX YEAR IN ABAT BAD, THE PAKISTANI VERSION OF WEST POINT, WHO KNEW HE WAS THERE? WHO SCHEDULED THE QUESTION.

>> Warner: AND YOU THINK THIS IT ACCOUNT FTRUE, JUST REALLY STRONGLY SUGGESTS IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PLAUSIBLE OR POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO OPERATE WITHOUT SOMEBODY KNOWING.

>> SOMEBODY MUST KNOWN THAT A TALL FOREIGNER WAS PRESENT IN THESE PLACES, AND ESPECIALLY IN ABOTABAD, I DON'T MEAN TO POINT THE FINGER AT THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY. WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS THAT, BUT SOMEBODY KNEW, AND NOBODY FOLLOWED UP.

>> Warner: DECKLAND, LET ME GET BACK TO YOU BRIEFLY, HER ACCOUNT SEEMS VERY FOCUSED ON HER VISA STATUS, THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWERS. IS THIS PART OF A BROADER INVESTIGATION INTO WHO KNEW WHERE BIN LADEN WAS OR IS THIS VERY FOCUSED ON THE CHARGES THEY WANT TO BRING AGAINST THE WIDOWS?

>> ACTUALLY THE GROUND HAS SHIFTED UNDER THIS INVESTIGATION IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. INITIALLY, THE PACK TAKEN-- PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT FORMED AN INVESTIGATION TEAM TO DEBRIEF BIN LADEN'S WIVES WHO, OF COURSE, ARE THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE MOST ABOUT HIS MOVEMENTS IN MANY RESPECTS OVER THE PAST DECADE. UNTIL JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS ANOTHER SENIOR OFFICIALS WERE SAYING THEY EXPECTED TO INTERROGATE AND THEN IMPORT THESE WOMEN BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN, SAUDI ARABIA AND YEMEN. BUT IN THE LAST MONTH THE MINISTER HAS SAID NO, NOW THEY ARE GOING TO PROSECUTE THEM FOR ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO THE COUNTRY WHICH ARE CRIMES THAT FACE A POSSIBLE PENALTY OF UP TO FIVE YEARS OF PRISON IN THIS COUNTRY. SO PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD THIS CHANGE OF TACTICS, AND WHETHER THERE'S SOME OTHER REASON WHY THEY WANT TO KEEP BIN LADEN'S WIVES IN PAKISTAN, EITHER TO FURTHER INFORMATION OUT OF THEM OR TO PREVENT OTHER PEOPLE FROM ASKING THOSE SORT OF QUESTIONS FROM THEM.

>> Warner: DAVID, BEFORE WE GO, YOU'VE SEEN DOCUMENTS THAT WERE CAPTURED, SEIZED DURING THE NAVY SEAL RAID. WHAT'S THE MOST FASCINATING TIDBIT YOU SAW?

>> TWO THINGS, BRIEFLY. FIRST, THE END OF HIS LIFE, BIN LADEN, WANTED TO KILL AMERICANS, THOUGHT OF HOW HE COULD DO IT, SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO KILL PRESIDENT OBAMA. SECOND, IT'S AMAZING THAT ON THE RUN, IN HIDING IN THESE REMOTE PLACES, HE-- HE WAS HONEST ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED THAT HE ADMITTED TO HIMSELF THAT IN MANY WAYS, AL QAEDA HAD FAILED TO THE POINT IN ONE DRAFT MEMO THAT I SAW, HE TALKS ABOUT CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION, AL QAEDA, TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT WON'T HAVE SUCH BAD CONNOTATIONS WITH MUSLIMS.

>> Warner: DAVID IGNATIUS AND DECKLAND WALSH, THANK YOU, BOTH.

>> Woodruff: AND TO THE ANALYSIS OF SHIELDS AND BROOKS-- SYNDICATED COLUMNIST MARK SHIELDS AND "NEW YORK TIMES" COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS. WELCOME GENTLEMEN ON THIS FRIDAY. SO THIS WEEK, THREE DAYS OF HEARINGS BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT ON THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE REFORM LAW. DAVID, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF IT ALL?

>> WELL, I'M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER, BUT IT CERTAINLY SENT SHOCKWAVES THROUGH WASHINGTON. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OVER-CONFIDENT. I THINK THE VIEWS OF THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN UNDERREPORTED FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS, AND THEIR VIEWS SLIGHTED. AND IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS. I DON'T PRETEND TO PASS JUDGMENT, BUT IT STRIKES ME AS A VALID CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. THE MANDATE COMPELS PEOPLE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH AN INSURANCE COMPANY, WHICH IS NOT REALLY IN THEIR BEST INTEREST, IN ORDER TO SUBS DISGUISE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE FORCED TO ENTER INTO THAT CONTRACT. THAT STRIKES ME AS A STEP FORWARD IN EXECUTIVE OR GOVERNMENTAL POWER, SO IT STRIKES ME AS A PERFECTLY THING TO DO. I CAN SEE WHERE MORALLY WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH OTHER'S HEALTH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEBODY DIE ON THE STREET. BUT CONSTITUTIONALLY, WHY THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE COMPELLING PEOPLE TO DO THIS STRIKES ME AS A COMPLETELY VALID RETURN AND THE JUSTICES HONED RIGHT IN ON THAT.

>> Woodruff: WHAT DID YOU HEAR, MARK?

>> WHAT I HEARD, JUDY, WAS A POLITICAL DISCUSSION AND I'M REMINDED THAT A JUDGE IS A LAWYER APPOINTED TO THAT OFFICE BY A POLITICIAN, AND THAT IT STRUCK ME AS RATHER REMARKABLE TO HEAR JUSTICES OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, RECITING LINES THAT WERUALLY QUESTIONS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY THE TEA PARTY ARE OPPOSITION TO THE LAW. DAVID'S POINT IS THAT IT'S-- IT'S A LEGITIMATE ONE, IT'S A QUESTION-- IT'S NOT TO MY ADVANTAGE-- I THINK IT IS TO MY ADVANTAGE TO HAVE PEOPLE, EVERYBODY IN SOCIETY COVERED BY HEALTH INSURANCE, THAT THERE'S NOW, IF SOMEONE IS FORCED TO GO TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM, WE DO COVER ALL THE EXPENSES, AND-- AT A COST TO EVERYBODY, AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS HAVE COVERAGE. I THINK MOST OF TALL IT HIT ME THAT THE CHANGE IN TWO YEARS. I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION THE POLITICAL SEA CHANGE--

>> Woodruff: YOU MEAN SINCE THE LAW--

>> SINCE THE LAW WAS PASSED. THERE WAS A CONFIDENCE ON THE PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE WHITE HOUSE THAT ONCE PEOPLE BECAME AWARE OF THE CHANGE, AND PEOPLE LIKE KEN CUCHINELLI, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF VIRGINIA, AND THEIR CHALLENGES WERE DISMISSED, TREATED WITH SOME DISDAIN. AND YOU COULD SEE THIS GROW TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NOT ONLY IT POSSIBLE, IT MAYBE PLAUSIBLE THAT THIS LAW WILL BE OVERTURNED IF NOT IN ITS ENTIRETY, IN PART.

>> Woodruff: DID YOU HEAR THE JUSTICES RECITING TEA PARTY LINES?

>> SOMETIMES. I RAN INTO SOME JUDGES THIS WEEK WHO SAID IT WENT ON TOO LONG. THERE WAS NO REASON FOR IT TO GO ON THREE FULL DAYS-- NOT FULL DAYS BUT THREE DAYS. AND ON THE FRINGES, IT'S TRUE, THERE WERE SOME POLITICAL STATEMENTS MADE. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS -- INACCURATE COMMENTS IN SUMMARY OF THE BILL. THAT WAS THERE, NO QUESTION. BUT AT THE CORE THERE WAS SOME CORE ISSUE, DOES THE GOVERNMENT-- WE ALL KNOW IF YOU ENTER INTO A RELATIONSHIP, THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE POWER TO REGULATE IT. DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE POWER TO FORCE YOU TO ENTER INTO A RELATIONSHIP. THAT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL MATTER, AND THERE IS MANY WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TO HAVE UNIVERSAL COVERAGE. WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT HE WAS AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE. YOU COULD TAX PEOPLE, GIVE PEOPLE STRONG ECONOMIC INCENTIVES TO GET UNIVERSAL COVERAGE BUT THE MANDATE, THE MOST POLITICALLY CONVENIENT, IS FAR FROM THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE.

>> Woodruff: YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS THE RIGHT ARGUMENT TO HAVE OVER THE VALIDITY OF THE MANDATE?

>> I THINK THE ARGUMENT, THEY WENT TO THE POINT, THE VULNERABILITY, AND IT WAS A POINT THAT DEMOCRATS DID NOT-- THEY CAME TO OUT OF THE IT POLITICAL NECESSITY. THE MANDATE HAD ITS ORIGINALS, THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, SOME 20 YEARS AGO WHEN BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY, A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, CAME UP WITH THEIR HEALTH CARE PLAN, AND THIS WAS THE REPUBLICAN REBUTTAL. IT WAS HATCHED AT THE HERITABLE FOUNDATION, A CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK HERE IN TOWN. IT WAS BACKED BY REPUBLICANS. AND THIS-- DAVID'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN HIS RECITATION OF HISTORY. CANDIDATE OBAMA OPPOSED IT. MOST DEMOCRATS WANTED A SINGLE PAIR, AT LEAST TEAMS WHO WERE ENGAGED. THEY COULDN'T PASS IT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO PASS IT. AND THIS WAS THE COMPROMISE PLAN.

>> AND I WOULD SAY FIRST, I'M FOR IT AS A MATTER OF POLICY. I THINK THE MANDATE IS SOMETHING YOU NEED IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM. AS A MATTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, THAT'S SORT OF DIFFERENT SO WE DO HAVE TO RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION. ONE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO SAY, AND I'VE HEARD THIS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, IS WE GOT TO SEE THE JUSTICES IN A MORE HIGH-TENSION SETTING THAN WE NORMALLY DO. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CONSERVATIVES HAVE TOLD ME THIS WEEK WE WERE OPPOSED TO SOTO MAYOR, BUT SHE'S REALLY GOOD, AND THEY WERE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HER, I THINK ROBERTS IS VERY GOOD. I THINK SCALIA IS ALWAYS FLAMBOYANT BUT SUPER SMART. I THINK SO THE OR MIRE AND KAGAN SHOWED THE PUBLIC HOW SMART THEY ARE.

>> IT I DID NOT LISTEN TO IT IN ITS ENTIRETY. I JUMPED IN AND OUT. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE COURT, AND THAT IS AT A TIME WHEN AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS ARE UNDER SIEGE-- GALLUP POLL LAST YEAR HAD A FAVORABLE-UNFAVORABLE OF THE INSTITUTIONS-- THE COURT HAD BEEN UP PRETTY HIGH, 61% FAVORABLE. AND AFTER THE "CITIZEN UNITED" DECISION WHEN THEY OPENED UP CORPORATE CONTRIBUTIONS, UNLIMITED CORPORATE CONTRIBUTION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 100 YEARS IN AMERICAN POLITICS BY A 5-4 VOTE, THE COURT HAS DROPPED-- THE DECISION THAT 80% OF AMERICANS WHO WERE POLLED OPPOSED, FAVORABILITY HAS DROPPED TO 46%. AND I THINK THE COURT IS IN DANGER OF BECOMING VERY MUCH A POLITICAL INSTITUTION. THE REALITY HAS BEEN--

>> Woodruff: A POLITICAL INSTITUTION.

>> A POLITICAL INSTITUTION. IT HAS BECOME POLITICIZED AS PART OF THE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. 50 YEARS AGO, JUDY, IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE CARS WITH BUMPER SICKERS ON IT, IMPEACH EARL WARREN, THE CHIEF JUSTICE, AT A TIME WHEN THE COURT EXPANDED CIVIL LIBERTIES AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND UPSET ESTABLISHED ORDER.

>> Woodruff: ARE YOU SAYING YOU EXPECT A POLITICAL DECISION?

>> I EXPECT A POLITICAL REACTION TO THE DECISION IF IN FACT-- I THINK THE LOSING SIDE IN THIS KIND OF A DECISION, HIGH-INTENTION OF INTENSITY POSITION IS WHERE THE POLITICAL ENERGY LIES. THE INITIAL REACTION, IF THE MANDATE IS OVERTURNED, IF THE LAW ITSELF IS OVERTURNED, THERE WILL BE A CELEBRATORY VICTORY LAP ON THE PART OF THE CONSERVATIVES WHO PREVAILED, AND DISDAIN FOR THE PRESIDENT, THE CONSTITUTIONAL-- WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION. I THINK AFTER THAT SETTLES IN, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS POLITICAL ENERGY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE TO-- BECAUSE ONCE THESE RIGHTS, THE CHANGES--

>> Woodruff: JUST TO MAKE SURE I HEAR YOU RIGHT, MARK.

>> SURE.

>> Woodruff: YOU'RE NOT SAYING THE COURT IS MAKING-- IS INJECTING POLITICS INTO THIS?

>> I THINK IT WILL BE SEEN VERY MUCH AS A POLITICAL DECISION. CHARLES FREED, RONALD REAGAN'S SOLICITOR, I MEAN, VERY CONSERVATIVE, HARDENED PRESSURE HE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, THAT THEY SOUND LIKE THEY'D BEEN WRITTEN BY THE TEA PARTY. I THINK IT DOES BECOME PART OF THE POLITICAL-- THE "CITIZENS UNITED" DECISION, THE WITH THE BUSHV GORE" DECISION AND THIS DECISION IN THE SPACE OF WHAT, 11 YEARS, 12 YEARS, THAT ARE SERIOUS POLITICAL DECISIONS THAT HAVE ALL COME DOWN ON ONE SIDE.

>> "ROEV WADE" BOTH SIDES WERE ENERGIZED AFTER THAT ONE. I DON'T SEE THIS HAVING THAT SCOPE. I FRANKLY THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN-- A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WHO ARE CHAMPIONS OF THE BILL WILL BE FURIOUS, NO QUESTION, IF IT'S STRUCK DOWN-- WE SHOULD EMPHASIZE WE DON'T KNOW IF ITEDLY HAPPEN. FOR THE COUNTRY AT LARGE, IT'S WORTH REMEMBERING THE BILL IS UNPOPULAR, AND THE BEST STUDY SUGGEST 25 DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE LOST THEIR SEAT BECAUSE OF THIS LAW ASIDE FROM THE ECONOMY IN 2010. I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR MOST OF THE COUNTRY IS THEY'LL SAY, FINE. NOT SAYING THE MAJORITY, AND KING IT WILL HAVE AN ELECTORAL EFFECT-- I THINK IT WILL HELP DEMOCRATS. THE REPUBLICANS ARE LOSING THE ECONOMY AS AN ISSUE AS IT IMPROVES. THEY ARE SETTLEs ON HEALTH CARE AS THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND IF THAT'S TAKEN AWAY IT'S TOUGHER TO RUN THE SORT OF CAMPAIGN THEY WANT TO RUN.

>> Woodruff: YOU'RE SAYING THERE WOULDN'T BE THE BACKLASH OR--

>> I THINK AMONG THE REAL CHAMPIONS OF THE LAW--

>> I DISAGREE WITH DAVID ON BOTH. I THINK THE ENERGY IN "ROE V. WADE" WAS ON THE LOSING SIDE. THAT'S BEEN KEPT ALIVE-- THAT LED TO AN ENTIRE MOVEMENT-- THE PRO-LIFE/ANTIABORTION MOVEMENT. AND IN PART BECAUSE IT WAS SEEN THAT THE COURT INTERRUPTED WHAT HAD BEEN THE LEGISLATIVE AND POLITICAL PROCESS. AND THAT THIS WOULD BE A CASE OF THE COURT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN, WHAT, 70 YEARS, OVERTURNING A LEGISLATIVE ACT OF THIS NATURE.

>> Woodruff: ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT, WE'RE ON THE EDGE OF OUR SEATS ON THIS, AND THAT BUDGET. THE HOUSE, MARK OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED THE PRESIDENT'S BUDGET PROPOSAL, AND THEY TURNED AROUND AND PASSED, ALONG PARTY LINES, DAVID, THE PAUL RYAN BUDGET. WHAT-- WHAT IS-- NOT A SHOCK THAT THIS HAPPENED. BUT WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP HERE? WHAT HAPPENS?

>> WE HAVE AN ELECTION.

>> Woodruff: DOES IT MATTER? IT'S MARCH.

>> WE HAVE AN ELECTION. WE WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER, THE CAT-- WHEN BAD FISCAL THINGS HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE. I GIVE RYAN CREDIT. I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL PART OF IT BUT HE'S TAKEN A STEP FORWARD. ONE OF THE SADDEST THINGS THIS WEEK, JIM COOPER AND OTHERS PUT TOGETHER A SIMPSON-BOLES PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO END UP EVENTUALLY, WE'LL END UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE SIMPSON-BOLES.

>> Woodruff: INCLUDING TAX INCREASES.

>> RIGHT.

>> Woodruff: THE REPUBLICANS AREN'T READY.

>> AND NEITHER ARE THE DEMOCRATS.

>> THE REJECTION OF THE SIMPSON-BOL'S APPROACH IS IS DEAD IN THIS CITY. I THINK THE RYAN BUDGET, WHICH I THINK IS INDEFENSIBLE IN A SOCIAL SENSE, IN A SOCIAL JUSTICE SENSE, WITH THE TAX CUTS FOR THE AVERAGE MILLIONAIRE. I THINK IT'S THE BLUEPRINT THAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS LAYING DOWN RIGHT NOW FOR THE LAME DUCK SESSION THAT FOLLOWS THE ELECTION. THEY HAVE STAKED OUT THEIR POSITION. SO THAT THIS IS THEIR NEGOTIATING POSITION, BUT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE DEMOCRATS TRY AND COME UP WITH THEIRS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND PLUS WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS STOPPED ANY CUTS IN THE MILITARY THAT WERE AGREED TO LAST SUMMER IN THE GRAND BUDGET AGREEMENT. LAST YEAR, 2011.

>> Woodruff: QUICKLY, REAL CONSEQUENCES OF THIS. DO PEOPLE SAY, "THERE GOES WASHINGTON AGAIN?"

>> WELL, WE SEE WHAT THE PARTIES BELIEVE IN. WE DON'T SEE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE PRACTICAL CONSEQUENCES--

>> I THINK THERE COULD BE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES IN THE ELECTION. I THINK SOME OF THE CUTS THE REPUBLICANS HAVE VOTED FOR COULD BECOME ISSUES IN CERTAIN RACES.

>> Woodruff: WELL, WE ARE ALWAYS THRILLED-- OUR HEARTS RACE WHEN YOU'RE HERE.

>> OH, MY GOODNESS!

>> Woodruff: MARK SHIELDES, DAVID BROOKS, THANK YOU BOTH.

>> Brown: NEXT TONIGHT, OUR SECOND REPORT ON THE POLITICAL AND SOCIAL OPENINGS IN THE ASIAN NATION OF BURMA, OR MYANMAR. TODAY, OPPOSITION LEADER AUNG SAN SUU KYI COMPLAINED OF IRREGULARITIES AHEAD OF WEEKEND ELECTIONS. BEYOND POLITICAL COMPETITION, BURMESE ARE STARTING TO BUILD OTHER ELEMENTS OF A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. WE HAVE A REPORT FROM SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT KIRA KAY AND PRODUCER JASON MALONEY.

>> Reporter: IT'S THE BEGINNING OF ANOTHER BUSY DAY FOR THE YOUNG BURMESE JOURNALISTS WHO MAKE UP THE STAFF OF THE ELEVEN MEDIA GROUP. THE MORNING EDITORIAL MEETING LOOKS LIKE ONE AT ANY OTHER NEWSPAPER IN THE WORLD-- WRITTEN COPY IS FACT CHECKED, LAYOUTS ARE FINALIZED, CUB REPORTERS ARE GIVEN THEIR BEAT ASSIGNMENTS. BUT THIS NEWSROOM IS A PROVING GROUND FOR NASCENT FREEDOMS IN THE NOTORIOUSLY REPRESSIVE COUNTRY OF BURMA. ALSO KNOWN AS MYANMAR, BURMA HAS BEEN RULED BY A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP FOR HALF A CENTURY. ITS LEADERS, SUSPICIOUS OF THE OUTSIDE WORLD, VIEWED INFORMATION AS SOMETHING TO BE RESTRICTED. THE ELEVEN NEWSPAPER IS FORBIDDEN BY THE GOVERNMENT FROM PUBLISHING DAILY. UNDER CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT?

>> Reporter: UNDER CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT.

>> YES, NOT ALLOWED.

>> Reporter: THEY TELL YOU ONLY ONCE A WEEK.

>> YES.

>> Reporter: SO THE EDITORS HERE PRINT UNDER TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TITLES TO GET AROUND THE PROHIBITION. BUT IN RECENT MONTHS, REFORMERS IN THE GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING A NEW PRESIDENT, STARTED TO RELAX THE COUNTRY'S TIGHT MEDIA CONTROLS. THAN HTUT AUNG IS ELEVEN MEDIA'S FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER.

>> ( translated ): CHANGES HAVE REALLY COME ABOUT WITHIN A YEAR. IT WAS ENTIRELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO TALK TO YOU ONE YEAR AGO, BECAUSE WE HAD TO FEAR EVERYTHING THEN. WE WERE CONCERNED NOT ONLY ABOUT THE NEWS WE WERE GOING TO PUBLISH, BUT ALSO ABOUT THE NEWS ALREADY PUBLISHED, EVEN IF IT GOT PAST THE CENSORSHIP BOARD. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT UNFAIR LEGAL CHARGES. NOW, GOVERNMENT PRESSURE HAS RELATIVELY SUBSIDED.

>> Reporter: ELEVEN MEDIA HAS FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE WITH HARSH REPRESSION. IN 2003, AN EDITOR WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH OVER A STORY ALLEGING MISUSE OF AN INTERNATIONAL GRANT. THE SENTENCE WAS LATER COMMUTED TO THREE YEARS IN PRISON. AS RECENTLY AS NOVEMBER 2010, THE PAPER WAS BANNED FROM PUBLISHING FOR TWO WEEKS BECAUSE OF THIS SNEAKY HEADLINE HERALDING AUNG SAN SUU KYI'S RELEASE FROM HOUSE ARREST WITH THE WORDS "SU FREE, UNITE AND ADVANCE TO GRAB THE HOPE" HIDDEN IN A SPORTS HEADLINE. WHILE THE CENSOR BOARD STILL REJECTS COVERAGE OF SOME TOPICS, ESPECIALLY ARTICLES CRITICAL OF THE MILITARY, THE PAPER HAS BEEN ABLE TO OPENLY REPORT ON AUNG SAN SUU KYI'S CURRENT CAMPAIGN FOR PARLIAMENT. AND REPORTERS ENERGETICALLY DELVE INTO INVESTIGATIONS, TODAY PREPARING A STORY ABOUT CONCERNS IN THE MARITIME TESTING PROCESS.

>> ( translated ): THE SYSTEM CAN BE CHANGED, BUT IT IS SO ENTRENCHED!

>> Reporter: IN A SIGN OF WIDER CHANGE, BURMESE EXILE MEDIA GROUPS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO RETURN TO THE COUNTRY TO REPORT, AND SOME HAVE APPLIED TO SET UP THEIR OWN BUREAUS. ELEVEN'S EDITORS ARE OPTIMISTIC RESTRICTIONS WILL BE FURTHER RELAXED AND ARE HIRING NEW REPORTERS TO MEET THE DEMAND. 20-YEAR-OLD AUNG ZAW TUN WAS SO EAGER TO BECOME A JOURNALIST, HE FIRST TOOK A JOB AS A DRIVER FOR THE NEWSPAPER WHILE WAITING FOR A REPORTER SLOT TO OPEN.

>> ( translated ): I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LEARN ABOUT THE POLITICS AND HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. I WISH TO RAISE THESE TOPICS SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THESE ISSUES. WITHIN THE PAST YEAR, LOCAL MEDIA HAVE HAD AN INCREASED CHANCE TO COVER THESE ISSUES. THAT'S WHY I JOINED THIS DEPARTMENT.

>> Reporter: DESPITE THIS ENTHUSIASM, PUBLISHER THAN HTUT AUNG WARNS THAT UNTIL BURMA'S GOVERNMENT REWRITES ITS CURRENT MEDIA LAWS, IT WILL BE TOO SOON TO CALL HIS INDUSTRY "FREE."

>> ( translated ): OUR FREEDOM IS ONLY 20% OR 30%, BY INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS. WE STILL HAVE REPRESSIVE LAWS SUCH AS THE DEFAMATION LAW, NATIONAL SECURITY ACT, AND NOW THE LATEST ELECTRONICS ACT, WHICH CAN SEND US TO JAIL FOR ACCEPTING OR RESPONDING TO A SENSITIVE EMAIL. WITH THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF SUCH LAWS, THERE IS NO CHANCE FOR US TO CARRY OUT FREE AND INDEPENDENT REPORTING.

>> Reporter: BURMA IS ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES IN ASIA, WITH A DISMAL HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD AND ONGOING INTERNAL ETHNIC CONFLICTS. CIVIL SOCIETY WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS WORK TO DO TO ENSURE THE GOVERNMENT'S TENTATIVE STEPS TOWARDS FREEDOM ARE SOLIDIFIED INTO A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IN THIS UNASSUMING HOUSE, FORMER POLITICAL PRISONERS ARE STRATEGIZING THEIR RETURN TO CIVIC ACTIVISM. AS PART OF ITS REFORM AGENDA, THE BURMESE GOVERNMENT HAS RELEASED HUNDREDS OF POLITICAL PRISONERS IN RECENT MONTHS, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE SO- CALLED 88 GENERATION, LEADERS OF THE 1988 STUDENT UPRISINGS THAT WERE CRUSHED WHEN THE MILITARY GUNNED DOWN THOUSANDS OF DEMOCRACY PROTESTORS. KO KO GYI WAS FIRST ARRESTED SOON AFTER THOSE PROTESTS.

>> AND THEN 2007 TO 2012, NEARLY FOUR AND A HALF YEARS. ALTOGETHER, 18 YEARS IN PRISON. I CANNOT MENTION PRISON LIFE, SO NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THE PRISON'S LIFE. JUST FULL OF SUFFERING, A LOT.

>> Reporter: SINCE HIS RELEASE IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, KO KO GYI AND HIS 88 GENERATION COLLEAGUES HAVE INITIATED CAMPAIGNS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS.

>> WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL, SO THESE ARE THE VICTIMS OF THE ARMS CONFLICT. SOME OF THE INFANTS ARE BORN IN THE REFUGEE CAMP.

>> Reporter: BUT THERE'S A DEBATE WITHIN THE 88 GENERATION GROUP WHETHER ITS EFFORTS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO INDEPENDENT ACTIVISM, OR IF IT'S SOON GOING TO BE TIME FOR A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. WHAT WOULD YOUR CHOICE BE?

>> YES, ON MY BEHALF, I WANT TO ENGAGE IN POLITICS.

>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS READY TO LET YOU DO THIS?

>> YES, I HOPE SO, BECAUSE THEY REALIZE IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP ECONOMICALLY OR SOCIALLY OUR COUNTRIES, THEY NEED TO COOPERATE THE DEMOCRATIC FORCES, ESPECIALLY AUNG SAN SUU KYI AND OUR 88 GENERATION GROUPS.

>> Reporter: STILL, KO KO GYI IS CAUTIOUS, NOT LEAST BECAUSE HE AND THE OTHER RELEASED POLITICAL PRISONERS REMAIN UNDER SUSPENDED SENTENCE AND COULD BE RE-ARRESTED AT ANY TIME IF THEY OVERSTEP BOUNDARIES.

>> SOME OF MY INTERVIEWS HAVE BEEN CUT OFF BY SOME PROCEDURES OR SOME RESTRICTIONS BY CENSORSHIP. SO, HOW TO BELIEVE THEIR INTENTION TO CHANGE? JUST A LITTLE DOUBT I HAVE SUFFERED FROM.

>> Reporter: ONE KEY TO EXPANDING CIVIL SOCIETY WILL BE TRAINING AND EDUCATING THE YOUNGER GENERATION, A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE GIVEN THAT BURMA'S EDUCATION SYSTEM IS SEVERELY NEGLECTED. THE CENTRAL YANGON UNIVERSITY CAMPUS HAS BEEN SHUTTERED FOR YEARS FOR FEAR OF STUDENT PROTEST. STUDY OF POLITICAL SCIENCE WAS SUSPENDED AFTER 1988. RISING TO MEET THIS CHALLENGE IS MYANMAR EGRESS, A FIVE-YEAR-OLD SKILLS TRAINING PROGRAM. MYANMAR EGRESS HAS BEEN ABLE TO OFFER POLITICAL SCIENCE CLASSES TO STUDENTS UNDER THE MORE INNOCUOUS TITLE OF SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP. STILL, THE CONTENT IS SURPRISINGLY BOLD.

>> ( translated ): SOMETHING DEMOCRACY CAN BRING TO BURMESE SOCIETY IS OPEN PUBLIC DEBATE. WHAT IS OPEN PUBLIC DEBATE?

>> ( translated ): IT MEANS AN OPEN EXCHANGE OF DISCUSSIONS AND ARGUMENTS.

>> I WANT TO WORK FOR MY COUNTRY AS A POLICY MAKER.

>> Reporter: 27-YEAR-OLD YIN MON IS AIMING FOR A FUTURE AS AN ECONOMIC RESEARCHER. SHE AND THE OTHER STUDENTS HERE WERE EAGER TO PRACTICE THEIR ENGLISH WITH ME AND SHARE THEIR OPTIMISM ABOUT CHANGES IN BURMA.

>> IT IS NOT TOTALLY CHANGED BUT THIS IS A TRANSITION PERIOD. SO IT IS STARTING TO MOVE OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP, I THINK SO.

>> IN THE PAST, WE HAVE NO CHANCE TO IMPRESS OUR FEELINGS TO THE PUBLIC. NOW, WE CAN.

>> WE WANT DEMOCRACY. NOW, WE ARE STARTING THE DEMOCRACY TREND, SO ALL PEOPLE ARE REALLY, REALLY HAPPY. WE ARE REALLY WILLING TO DEVELOP OUR COUNTRY MORE AND MORE FOR THE LONG TERM.

>> Reporter: EVEN AS BURMESE VOTE THIS WEEKEND IN THE CLOSEST THING TO A REAL ELECTION IN DECADES, WITH AUNG SAN SUU KYI AND HER ALLIES POSSIBLY ENTERING PARLIAMENT, THE BIGGER AND DEEPER CHALLENGE WILL BE CREATING AND SUSTAINING CIVIL SOCIETY GROUPS AND MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS TO BOLSTER THE FRAGILE GAINS OF FREEDOM.

>> Woodruff: KIRA'S REPORT WAS A PRODUCTION OF THE BUREAU FOR INTERNATIONAL REPORTING.

>> Brown: FINALLY TONIGHT, A DOLLAR AND A DREAM FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.

>> THAT'S IT, GUYS. YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO MY ISLAND AFTER I WIN THIS. THANKS.

>> WHICH ONE IS IT WITH THE MOST MONEY?

>> THE MEGA MILLIONS.

>> GIVE ME ONE OF THOSE.

>> ONE SUCKER'S GOING TO WIN. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE A RICH ONE, OKAY. ( LAUGHS )

>> Brown: THE BIGGEST JACKPOT IN HISTORY, $640 MILLION, IS AT STAKE IN TONIGHT'S MEGA MILLIONS MULTI-STATE LOTTERY. 42 STATES, WASHINGTON, D.C., AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS PARTICIPATE, 85% OF THE COUNTRY. LINES SWELLED TODAY WITH HOPEFULS READY TO PLUNK DOWN A DOLLAR FOR A CHANCE AT MILLIONS.

>> ONE, TWO, THREE, AND GOOD LUCK.

>> THANK YOU!

>> Brown: LOTTERY OFFICIALS SAID ONE MILLION TICKETS AN HOUR SOLD IN THE 48 HOURS AFTER TUESDAY'S DRAWING FAILED TO PRODUCE A WINNER.

>> WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING OUT WHO HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A TICKET BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY SEE THIS NUMBER AND THEY THINK, "GEE, FOR JUST A DOLLAR, I HAVE A CHANCE AT HALF A BILLION." IT'S HARD NOT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON THAT.

>> 35, 40, 45, 50...

>> Brown: THE CHANCE AT BIG MONEY-- ABOUT $350 MILLION AFTER TAXES, IF THE PRIZE IS TAKEN IN ONE LUMP SUM-- HAD MANY WHO WOULDN'T OTHERWISE PLAY SHELLING OUT.

>> THEY ARE TYPICAL CUSTOMERS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BUY ONE OR TWO $1 TICKETS, ARE NOW SPENDING $20 TO $50 AND UP TO EVEN 100 SLEEVES, SO EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T PLAY ARE TEMPTED.

>> Brown: CAN THE PRESIDENT BE COUNTED AMONG THE TEMPTED?

>> NO, BUT I'M GOING TO RUN OUT AND BUY ONE.

>> Brown: AS DID MANY OTHERS ELSEWHERE IN THE NATION'S CAPITAL WHO DARED TO DREAM.

>> I'M BUYING 30 TICKETS. IF I'M GOING TO PLAY AGAINST ASTRONOMICAL ODDS, I FIGURE WHY GO IN JUST HALFWAY? IF I WERE TO WIN, I WOULD PROBABLY PAY OFF MY DEBTS, QUIT MY JOB, AND GIVE ALL OF MY STAFF A MILLION DOLLARS

>> I'M GOING TO HELP SOME PEOPLE AND BUY MYSELF A NICE HOUSE AND A NICE OCEANFRONT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW, I HOPE I'M JUST THE ONE THAT WILL WIN THE MONEY!

>> Brown: BUT WHAT ARE THE REAL CHANCES OF WINNING? A LOUSY ONE IN 176 MILLION. SOME MORE REASONABLE ODDS, BY COMPARISON: GETTING HIT BY FALLING AIRPLANE PARTS? 17 TIMES MORE LIKELY. OR BEING HIT BY LIGHTNING? THAT'S 50 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN THAN WINNING TONIGHT'S BIG MONEY. BUT THERE ARE LONGER ODDS OUT THERE-- FOR INSTANCE, THE CHANCE OF BEING EATEN BY A SHARK, 280 MILLION TO ONE.

>> IT'S SLIM, BUT I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT CHANCE LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.

>> Brown: SO WHY DO SO MANY PLAY? M.I.T. PROFESSOR ANDREW LO STUDIES THE PSYCHOLOGY OF RISK.

>> WE HAVE AN IMAGINATION WHERE WE CONJURE UP ALL SORTS OF SCENARIOS OF WHAT WE MIGHT DO WITH THE MONEY IF WE WON, HOW HAPPY WE WOULD BE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THE VERY ACT OF CONJURING UP THESE SCENARIOS ACTUALLY PROVIDES PLEASURE RIGHT NOW. SO, IN A WAY, WHAT THEY'RE REALLY DOING IS BUYING THE DREAM.

>> Brown: RETAILERS HAVE A STAKE, TOO. THE STORE THAT SELLS THE WINNING TICKET COULD GET UP TO $100,000, ALTHOUGH FOOT TRAFFIC IS THE REAL BOON.

>> ANYBODY THAT COMES UP SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THIS MORNING, THEY COME IN FOR THEIR COFFEE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE BUYING LOTTERY TICKETS, TOO.

>> Brown: THE STATES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DRAWING ALSO STAND TO BENEFIT. IF THERE'S A WINNER IN TONIGHT'S DRAWING, JUST OVER A THIRD OF THAT $640 MILLION WILL GO TO THE WINNING STATE IN TAXES. IN GEORGIA, PROCEEDS OF THE SALE OF TICKETS GO TO THE HOPE SCHOLARSHIP, WHICH FUNDS IN- STATE COLLEGE EDUCATION FOR HIGH ACHIEVING STUDENTS. STILL, IT'S NOT ALL FUN AND GAMES. IN ECONOMICALLY STRESSED AREAS, MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE LESS MONEY TO PLAY STILL DO. HOUSEHOLDS EARNING UNDER $13,000 PER YEAR SPEND ABOUT 9% OF THEIR INCOME ON LOTTERY TICKETS, ON AVERAGE, ACCORDING TO A 2008 STUDY FROM "THE JOURNAL OF RISK AND UNCERTAINTY." OF COURSE, SOMEONE WILL WIN, BUT EVEN THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE HAPPINESS.

>> WHEN YOU WIN THAT KIND OF MONEY, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU WON THAT KIND OF MONEY, SO ALL MANNER OF A SUDDEN DISTANT RELATIVES, FRIENDS, PEOPLE YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF ARE COMING INTO YOUR LIVES, ASKING FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MONEY.

>> Brown: IN THE END, SOME WILL SETTLE FOR SMALL VICTORIES.

>> I WON $9 TODAY. I'LL TAKE MY CASH.

>> Brown: ...WHILE SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE ABOUT 71 MILLION TIMES MORE THAN THAT AFTER A DRAWING TONIGHT IN ATLANTA AT 11:00 P.M.

>> Woodruff: AGAIN, THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THE DAY: SUPREME COURT JUSTICES VOTED ON THE HEALTH CARE LAW, BUT THE DECISION AND OPINIONS WON'T BE MADE PUBLIC UNTIL SOMETIME IN JUNE. PRESIDENT OBAMA MOVED FORWARD ON TOUGH NEW SANCTIONS ON IRAN AIMED AT PUTTING A SQUEEZE ON THEIR OIL EXPORTS. AND ACTIVISTS IN SYRIA REPORTED AT LEAST 34 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN CLASHES BETWEEN GOVERNMENT SECURITY FORCES AND ARMY DEFECTORS AND PROTESTERS. AND TO HARI SREENIVASAN FOR WHAT'S ON THE NEWSHOUR ONLINE. HARI.

>> Sreenivasan: LATER TONIGHT, WE'LL HAVE MORE FROM MARK AND DAVID ON THE "DOUBLEHEADER." DOES PLAYING THE LOTTERY EVER MAKE SENSE? ACCORDING TO PAUL SOLMAN, IT CAN, MATHEMATICALLY SPEAKING. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT ON HIS "MAKING SENSE" PAGE. AND ON "ART BEAT," JEFF TALKS TO WOODY GUTHRIE'S DAUGHTER NORA ABOUT HER FATHER'S LEGACY AND THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION OF THE SINGER/SONGWRITER'S BIRTH. ALL THAT AND MORE IS ON OUR WEB SITE, newshour.pbs.org.

>> Brown: AND AGAIN TO OUR HONOR ROLL OF AMERICAN SERVICE PERSONNEL KILLED IN THE AFGHANISTAN CONFLICT. WE ADD THEM AS THEIR DEATHS ARE MADE OFFICIAL AND PHOTOGRAPHS BECOME AVAILABLE. HERE, IN SILENCE, ARE EIGHT MORE.

>> Woodruff: AND THAT'S THE NEWSHOUR FOR TONIGHT. ON MONDAY, WE'LL HAVE A STONE PHILLIPS REPORT ON THE GROWING CONCERN ABOUT HEAD INJURIES AMONG CHILDREN PLAYING FOOTBALL. YOU CAN CATCH A SNEAK PEEK OF ON OUR HOMEPAGE. I'M JUDY WOODRUFF.

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