His Holiness the Dalai Lama -- WTIU Broadcast

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his holiness the Dalai Lama on the topic overcoming differences after the speech the Dalai Lama will answer questions from the audience. I'm Keith Klein and I'm joined now by Elliott Sperling an associate professor of Tibetan Studies department of central Eurasian studies at Indiana University in Bloomington. Professor Sperling how important a figure is His Holiness and the figure of world leaders today. The Dalai Lama is a figure of considerable importance and in a number of ways actually in some ways he's rather unique as a result of various historical prophecies in the 16th and 17th century the leaders of the sect of Buddhism which is the sect of the Dalai Lama became the supreme political authorities in Tibet as a result. The Dalai Lama is in a unique position within the Tibetan system. The Tibetans often term their system a merger or a union of the religious and the secular and the Dalai Lama sits astride that system. And as a result of

that he has a very unique claim on the hearts and minds of the Tibetans. This is not only significant for Tibetan politics it's also significant for Asian politics and the reason as a result for world politics because the question of Tibet is one that has never really been resolved and the importance of his appearance at Indiana University his appearance to Indiana University I think is going to be rather important. I'm not certain what he is going to say here tonight but already at the press conference which was held earlier today in the union he spoke about his ideas regarding a solution to the Tibetan question. I should say in this context that the last time he was here in 1987 and he came here he came to the United States at that time as a result of an invitation from the Tibetan cultural center which is headed by his brother Professor Tipton Insigne Norbu who is now retired from Indiana University. He came here and

he was also invited by the university and also by certain people in Washington congressmen I invited him to speak before them. He made a number of proposals there regarding the future of Tibet the Chinese government did not like that. They began a crackdown a new crackdown because of loyalty to the Dalai Lama which is a very important factor in Tibet which in turn precipitated demonstrations in Tibet and led to a whole new visibility for the Tibetan question. As I've said this has this visibility has helped the Tibetans in the sense that they have more sympathy. You can look around yourself here and just see the tremendous number of people who have turned out to hear the Dalai Lama. It is also lent a greater visibility to the Dalai Lama's message with regard to Buddhism. So in a sense he wears two hats he wears as a.

Choose me as a political leader. He also wears the hat of a spiritual leader which does that put him in a really unique position as a world leader. I think it does. I think it does. I mean he's not simply somebody who has a certain amount of faith in a religion a rather religious leader who attends church or temple occasionally that sort of thing. No he actually is a a religious teacher. The Tibetan term Lama is simply a translation of the Sanskrit term guru the Dalai Lama is regarded by the Tibetans as a very important guru. We are about to begin so we'll go now to the stage where Indiana University President Myles Brand will introduce his holiness the Dalai Lama. It's a very great pleasure to welcome you all here and

it's a very special honor that Indiana University enjoys today to be able to host the Dalai Lama. We face a world of violence and disrespect from church burnings in the south to airline explosions to hatred amongst many groups. War has not disappeared from our planet. Faced with such a world we need man of peace. Leaders of the very highest spiritual kind can guide us to a resolution of our problems in a nonviolent way. We are most fortunate this evening to have in our presence one of these great men and again I

thank you for coming. Without further ado let me introduce his holiness the Dalai Lama. Brothers and Sisters I am extremely happy to be here with you and have the opportunity to speak with you. And of course you should know that my english is poor.

My broken English. Sometimes I say it is a. Do I do use I think wrong would in my mind some do different meaning. So so is a danger. So I would like to give you some warning. When you when you listen to an almost broken English should be very very careful. So occasionally when I my English is stuck then he will have me. My old friend is a Gypsy so it will help but I will try to try. I see speak or use my broken English as much as possible in order to save time and also communication with the audience. Then are causes he has a lot of people busy.

And also I was told I think some other people doubt. So you came in with some expectation and often you introduce. Or do you. You've made me livid I can be good that I can wrong and I was wrong. You should not expect much. I have not. I'm not going to offer to you simply thing is it trying to or trying to have the time to share some of my own experience. So that's all. Now I talk. Yeah I will come to the overcoming differences.

Yes. I suppose that is the topic. Now difference is always there even I you see more and not only differences but conflict or contradictions we can always find even one single answers in my mind you won't find is different opinions are different ideas. Novel Zambal morning you may have one idea at that moment you feel all this is right. Then after some time you you'll find some something wrong with

that idea and may have another idea. So this is a conflict so conflict always the difference is always there. So they overcome that. Again. Now there also is a day at the minimum we are not going to be churchy. Even if there are many differences there are common qualities like the one individual case you see two different idea that these two idea was the contradictory one and at that. But because you see it within oneself.

So usually you see that conflict will not go very extreme. It will to extreme then sometimes you confuse it and eventually even this is suicide and things of that happen. But usually you work on that. Because as day all see the sort of woozy we can within reason within the within one's own mind. So similarly a family member a family member some differences. On the basis of all belong one family are dead. This. Yes. If you if you look closely there's differences. But if you look from a little bit wider perspective you can see all the family members. We have to find out to will come then go to that community to community

nation to nation and to the continent. In that same basis. Now look differences drive it diversity. Actually I think that diversity is good and also conflict or contradiction. It's also I think it's self I think really good. I see with that kind of with the diversity of degrees the idea or system is it can I city can be it can be can be the basis of further development further progress. But why did you see the tumultuous time ships provided it is contained within a sense of commonality. Now I would like to stress on two issues

on all religious see us today due to different religious tradition. This is sometimes conflict is a habit and due to a different nationality or too much concern about one form of the nationhood. Then you see different then you see develop complex conflict. So I think the first but there are differences among different traditions. Some differences are even fundamental differences. Now for example as in many of the world's major religions the fundamental faith is Creator. God the Creator. And then there's some other traditions

such as Buddhism and Jainism and some more as it is a fundamental that they believe is some kind of self creation. So there's a big differences but then if you look at the value or effectiveness if all these different distribution. And then you can you can easily overcome it. That was the negative feeling on the basis of differences. Now here in this respect I also have some experiences and because I am keen to promote the genuine harmony in all the different traditions. Now look this is the what is the

value or usefulness about a different vision. It is quite simple for that. Amount of humanity. Is so many different mental disposition. So therefore one religious tradition simply cannot satisfy the right of people. So therefore it's more the right of religious tradition more useful for a variety of people. I often use the example like dishes dishes if one is a restaurant serve one type of dish morning noon evening and week by week month by month only one dishes one only one dish. Then I think customer

eventually reduce I think less and less less. Eventually no. No whining any customer. And if you see the restaurant serve variety of food that the American food or French food or Chinese food Indian food or Tibetan food nothing much variety. So you see these guys there's the right of food that they want. It will it will satisfy a variety of people. That's very clear. Then the question of who's the main religion. In fact I consider food of mind or food conscious red food of consciousness. So it is all in the mental world. I think that a lot of. Different varieties so simply on data on that reality

one religion closeups of people. So it is much better to have more of it out of religions. So sometimes I do. I called the super market of religions right. Then you can you have the liberty to choose according the ones on mental disposition. And then also now here the I think because of this the mental capacity to look to some people see the tyranny of philosophy as a creator with that is the only one life as I do that philosophy I think very very powerful very useful. You see just one life one life this very life created by creator. So that gives

us something to give to that person somewhere. Has the feeling of what to called intimacy intimacy sometime. Sometime it will be intimacy. Yes intimacy with God or creator. So you see with that feeling they do what is the God's wish mainly. What city if you love your fellow human being dead. I think they did. If you genuinely love respect concern to other fellow human being say that I think he really fulfilled they got some say God's wish there. So if you see someone who don't care about us welfare and the idea of love. That's it. No. No respect others then says person

you see at the other hand me sure full of deep faith of God. Then I think it is rather a question that that person truly is it believe God or not. If that person truly believe then is it that person must show love towards other fellow human being. So this is one very powerful we do to develop good or not. And the other is a tradition such as Buddhism is more emphasis on one's own shoulder self creation long long future depend entirely on your own shoulder. You behave well. Is it that kind of approach. Is it more effective to some people. So therefore we do all different traditions have always major religious tradition have they said the effectiveness to

transform that practitioner. Into good human being on topics. So is it looking. I usually see it looks I was good looking. Look I usually look on the stove what the purpose of the different religious tradition not on the different methods. So then you can easily get the conclusion or understanding. Yes the same effectiveness. So it automatically develop appreciation or respect to those different traditions and in February just last a three day three or four days as I participated in the dialogue

a dialogue gets Semele in Kentucky the monastery of late Thomas Merton. So there are also areas of fun. There are so many similarities between Christian monastic practitioners of life and the experiences. And it's just a new way of life and experiences and all things. And this time I really found such enthusiasm that he too want to have it to promote mutual understanding mainly between Christian monastics as monastic or Christian Christian monks and nuns and with is just so. So these are. I think once you develop

closer relations and to desolation better understanding of others the value of other tradition then you see these differences easily. You can walk the walk right now. And the other field as I mentioned earlier the different parts of the nationality or the the feeling or as feeling strong feeling of nationhood in previous times the even not only nation to nation but even I think the village to village more or less I think complete independence. All requirement produced by themselves. So it is in no need of the other's cooperation. But that is not completely changed. So not only

nation to nation but even as a continent to continent. Heavily heavily dependent one another and of obviously in modern economy or national boundary. As a city. I mean nothing in any economy of real economy modern economy no world beyond national boundaries. So there's that there's this effect. And also I think the other is a problem. Now we are facing the ecology problem now such as the ozone layers the depression. Is it these Sulu's the one or two nations cannot solve this problem are less worldwide. All anti-humanity is a big effort. So therefore is the reality now will become much smaller heavily depend one on to one end the. So therefore

you see they did no i don't no longer some friend of the independent self sufficient that kind of nation are no longer that exist exist. So therefore is it a concern. I mean they take care about your neighbor should be there because your neighbors devlopment very much live with your own development neighbor's economy develop so is that really effect your economy. So it is inadequate. That's not the reality. So therefore the it is very very important to realize the oneness of anti-humanity. So so therefore you

see if we have the when when we have that kind of regret that kind of outreach look of look perspective then it is these can work with differences on the basis of nationhood. Now we need as I think religious religious case the without damaging one's own religious tradition meantime serve in common interest or common benefit. Similarly each individual nationhood is it are culture including the language their way of life. Z these must preserve especially the culture Iberis culture. How to develop a culture of different community. They know not just

what I do a lot but these two centuries eventually according to city environment all the circumstances including temperatures your city. What city high and the surrounding vegetation is codings in these circumstances. It is certainly unique cultural heritage. So it is very fit for that particular community. So therefore it is worthwhile to preserve in order to set aside of that particular community. But meantime that should not isolate the interest of the whole humanity. So I think the thinking is that these line then you see there is of course always the possibility of work and this is different due to the on the basis of my nation destination.

Then here also I think the very important to do is to know they say their concept of Islam might interest all our interest and their interest. I feel I can actually it that I think the reality is that there is no clear cut our interest in that interest. So now we have to create a whole world like just one's own body if something happened there. They eventually see it feely you're on your own site. So that's the reality. I think one problem I feel the reality much changed but all concept still remain a little bit behind. So that's why I think sometimes we

humanity may face some unnecessary problem. This is my feeling. So therefore is the I think the reality now will become as I mentioned before is much more cross at one another heavily to one another. So under these circumstances now the concept of war concept of using force I think now become old fashioned when you see it there is sort of independent you see. Which is separate independent interests there then you see there is a detour to agree to disagree or disagree. In reality you see using force destroy either disregard others you see interest and defeat either. You may gain some U.S. benefit. Now today I think the

destroy your neighbor or so-called as your enemy almost like you destroy your own lack. I think there is this restriction. Therefore I think now I often telling my friend that this century this student of the century Usually I call my century now. Now this century from one aspect looking from one aspect I think we can call this century as the century of bloodshed century of war. So next century I think we should try to have that sense you should be censored dialogue. Differences are always there but in order to solve those differences. Megan Fox our disregard

others interest. It's no use not benefit not non-beneficial even even to oneself. So therefore the only thing is realistically speaking only thing is shared 50/50 use as interest for oneself for the other. So that's the compromise if possible 60 percent Arcite for the person. I think best. Otherwise you cannot disregard others interest. So therefore I do the only practical way to solve these differences are to not use God using gun violence. Is it the if one side to use gun and violence the other side or for counter-violence so it isn't endless violence. And also I think the one was terrible in one situation. If you use violence

the first casualty is those poor innocent men women children those troublemaker that didn't meet them in a very secure place and comfortably. So I think that's I think that's a very tragic thing. So therefore I think we have to take these these lines seriously and then we try to make known now the using violence is outdated and differences conflict. So long human beings have in that conflict is it just wrong to expect all the humanity without any conflict peaceful or friendly. I kind of wish I didn't. Because what the expectation is truly

can be shooting. So some form of conflict always there. So and using violence is out of date and very harmful destructive. So the only alternative is die. So I think they are next century. I think we should try our next century should be central and data. Now Tingley about the idea of digitization. I think that was really very crucial factor. Some already on this planet like the Central America like Costa Rica the city since late in the 40s. They already become parts of the demilitarized nation. So the concept of demurrage and demutualisation to some people is very much very much alive very much in doubt. So I think that now we have to promote

and not just see. I mean that is a conundrum if you live within a short period. We have to we have to dig. We have to go step by step one day. What city. I think we all really wish disappearance was Wollin ball. Wall right guys. The disappearance of Gaza boiling water barely work is if the threat of organized nuclear is out ours. The turtle knew the Holocaust. Now that also the city is over and some some aspect is dead. Now much of the news. And now today is the day

the other leaders now truly are now talking about the reduction reduce nuclear weapons and also some already used to implement these things. I think a very hopeful beginning. So are our efforts as they should be now eventually to move more nuclear weapons. Then you see the chemical they say chemical and germs germ warfare. DS I think the elimination completely. These things then I think offensive weapons elimination then I think as the first then another I think important thing seriously think about the stop for arms thing. I think this is a very serious matter I think they.

Want ones you made one bullet is a bullet with but purpose of the bullet. And I think that's all there is a bullet or something is put there and it's really smart. But but you cannot use as a declaration. So the actual purpose is. So so once you do produce that and sell it and profit and from Dedman money of the profit you use holiday or something. I think that's a tap on the expenses of some else's life is I think very very disheartening. So I think they have to think seriously about today. Somebody's got to do that. Do they do eventually a complete stop on the street then and at the end of the day

of the achievement of our city as it is try to try to create a unified force now in Europe and continent. No. Frankfurt Germany unified forces there. So they're doing their best to guarantee no longer any threat of us are fighting between the member states. So I think that idea can expand on the basis of regional bases and eventually something that the international forces. Actually the United Nations now has the United Nations forces so-called non-Asians forces. Now you see coming coming coming more effective. So that's I think one of the I think very important for is a better future. I think we have to think about the use of weapons and eventually eliminate all these military establishment. So then they will really achieve something and I

think they got into it for no longer. The big big There was a bracket a small small but I should always always happen. Gardstrom just one thing. And meantime in order to implement these I think noble noble noble work. The first that we need determination political will. Without that no matter how beautiful idea we called him a Judas. So how do you build it that way. Now here I feel the compassion is I feel the very very important factor as a compassion or sense of concern of other sounds of concern of the whole world whole humanity more development of death kind of

mental attitude than decency determination will develop and become become a symbol. Very strong. So this we all lose it. And while the compay compassion and motivation develop it automatically the Jews hate it. So this usually I call in on disarmament. So the external disarmament and internal disarmament these two things should go together. So. When we talk about the compassion it is very important to note what is compassion. Compassion is usually easy. Some people get the impression that compassion is something that the

closest feeling first leaves a compassion. Sometimes we see it as a feeling of bitterness and that's that's not right. It was the compassion genuine compassion and in genuine compassion there is also a sense of respect. So so you see the compassion. There's no meaning of looking down first then second compassion of love and compassion. Sometimes you see Zardoz a sense of caring towards one's own friends. So that very often I think mixed with attachment and also to see what see much of it much involved about either mental projection to make

some decision or something made up by the mind mental projection. Yes. In any case see that kind of closeness feeling is very much biased only towards your own friend. And that also the day when some slight just something something wrong with that friend then you see that feeling immediately change and to the very close this feeling tomorrow maybe very much has a hit it was it was that same same same simpers. So this is very much easy to personally biased. Secondly it's just a mental projection. Something wrong slightly. The image does change. So is it a genuine compassion as we should know. Is it death is there irrespective what that does is the attitude towards you that a

hostile or friendly weather printer friendly friendly or indifferent. Doesn't matter is it the main thing is others also just like myself who want their happiness. Also have the right to walk some suffering on that basis. You see lot sense of concern sense of OK that's compassion. Unbiased it can. It can develop towards your enemy. So the person or the group of people it was the door to you something you see harming or something. The disturbance but the. Because the realize on the basis of realization is also a human being. These also have the right to overcome suffering. And with that realization devlopment of the sense of concern to them dances and compassion.

So now Christians are the ones that are dead that kind of mental attitude develop here that that person ought to logically be much happier person much happier person. That's quite clear because it's quite easy to imagine the someone who have ill feeling towards them so long and that feeling is that because of your own experience your own mental attitude you also feel that other people also have same similar sort of attitude towards me as it is held fear suspicion. You see these difficult and very difficult to communicate with other ones me. You have the compassion and motivation here it automatically you see you've put this out. I mean

what is it. It's almost like open a door. And very easy to communicate with other fellow human being. So therefore is it that bring us inner satisfaction and less fear more self-confidence. So that's the basis of this successful life or happy life. So so therefore is it compassion really you see very very useful useful thing. When is it in the mental world or world of mind in a world in a world in a world that's full of many different ways the mental part as in mental huzzy attitudes. Opinion. Yes mental things. So there are some of the writing just like you see the external matters we analyze

those matter when something harmful to us if we get rid of those those things which is something useful for us. Usually we cultivate and and increase. So similarly when we look in the world no matter of feeling or idea of thought or a variety of OCD attitudes attitudes. So it is very important to analyze which emotion or part is harmful which is useful even in the physical physical has also the certain emotion of it is very harmful in. The other day I met one into the party. One one interviewer busy voting him in this country. One of the killer

of many people are anger. Much anger and including something like heart attacks and these things are happening so therefore you see some of these emotions are very harmful then other like compassion sense of forgiveness. You see these are very positive emotions positive and negative. It means those emotions something good for us positive those emotions something harmful to us including help and including peace of mind. You see these these emotions to consider as a negative. So therefore it is very important to do an alliance in the mental capacity different mental different attitudes attitudes. Now the question

of whether we can change one's self whether we can improve or increase these positive emotion whether we can. But again we say we do all we can. These negative emotion doesn't question but if we implement if we take serious about about this matter then suddenly we see we can change we can increase these positive positive emotion. We can certainly reduce these negative emotions through my own experience. When I was young as I am I was very shocked Damba short tempered very shocked. But is it true training now my age now six to eight minutes after what mother says to one. So is the day

since I think my age around 16 years old as I start some serious thought of interest towards the practice of Dharma. So you see now I really feel oh there is this is in effect there is some real change there. So therefore all those in my view see it as a progress very little. Really very little. But but but in any case is it the to D.C. experience I can say see if we make an attempt to make training of mind yes you can see you can transform yourself. You've become a much more person much more happier as a result your own family also isn't getting much help your family and most important your children or children in that family might become much happier much healthier much healthier physical

development as well as mental development and eventual use these children can be in a city so it can be compassionate with other hand of those children. Who had that kind of human interaction then that physical development as well as education development. And eventually I think the worst and most unfortunate thing is did they find it very difficult to show other people human affection because of their own experience. It was a grown up and it felt like lack of human interaction. So I think so therefore today if you make effort constant effort and one thing I would like to mention to you is it it often is if somebody is some Westerner who is showing interest in Gods of Buddhism it usually is a different question such as

what is the best method. What is the quickest. Then. Then I think I'm sure that mind one of the two priests. So I think I think do we do would with these questions. I feel that there is a sign of a failure. Oh you want something immediate without much effort. That's under existing mental development. Dig dig time. Need a lot of can continue effort. So so that I think very important is to know the need to change and use it to Rome and and to lament. We need effort now tell one thing and when you see the importance of compassion and a sense of forgiveness. You should not look at these Metta as a religious

subject whether you should believe all a non-believer it is entirely up to individual obviously is how we can manage our life our happy life without any faith that's that's possible. But now what's the cause. What is the important thing is the soul and we are human being. Sylvia indeed and indeed human huzzy indeed human or community will work community. It is impossible. Be it hippie person or useful person in the society. Without without conviction. Yes. Not to true to call it that's fine. It is impossible to be helpful to the world community without compassion. I must say I confuse the lugs and does a little bit to do so.

So you know if it is so we have to make clear that kind of two kinds of spirituality one spirituality with religious faith another spirituality without any religious faith just as simply try to express. It. So that's I think they can see it quite in one's own daily experience. You can you can. I thought you can you can you can understand that how important is the compassionate feeling. Insight is in you know happy life. So that's the why. There's a man. So. So if you feel you see some of the point to which I mentioned is

something interesting then you see a thing more and analyze Sheedy's display and you'll find these kinds of nonsense. Then just forget it. No problem. Thank you. The Dalai Lama will now take a few questions. It is the desire to become enlightened. A desire which will prevent enlightment.

Desire. Naturally that the some these negative some just as positive now from somebody with a desire for Happy World desire to do something for either and for practitioner a desire to fulfill wants to wish or dissolve to achieve Buddhahood. These are very positive. Without such a desire. No spiritual development or no progress. So death and disease but then desire which

I think I think the Indian Indian does. Indonesia of discontentment is content about the destruction. There's a desire that arises out of not being satisfied out of being out of lacking contentment. That I think desire and that is speaking. Even I think is something I mean just one just does that. Just just a bit and had the initial decision was that it made a deal with that the esteemed galleries and in any way for instance with simple desires where you feel well if I get it then I'll be all right in it. When you do get it then you're satisfied then that does kind of desire is probably OK. But when desires become extreme and you're seeking seeking seeking then that is negative.

Now I think one example is he again you say he might want is the experience sometimes that I have a busy enough time. I also see go shopping not necessarily not necessarily see value buying but looking looking. Just like you see it toting museum. Look what articles. So occasionally there's something easy by Bhadra. So so here now the point is when I saw all beautiful things there's a camera sort of watch or something you see little instruments things like that. I feel on that all I want is I want then is this second thought. You need these. Then answer. No no no no. No. So you see that is the here is the one design. Oh I didn't want it. I didn't do do discontentment

championship. So that kind of does eventually bring trouble. So therefore and of course the other desire is the desire your neighbor should should have something more problems. That. As I said that is a negative of course. Do you feel that your involvement in politics harms or helps your role as a spiritual leader. So far so long you see the decline in the kind of political struggle which I involved so long as it does remain as the freedom struggle. I have no problem because Tibetan freedom very much linked with the dharma

without proper freedom of Tibetan Buddhist culture cannot survive. So therefore you see that goal and dad has a nature and a certain kind of awareness of that nature. I feel my involvement in Tibetan freedom struggle. I believe that this is part of my spiritual practice. Then when you see that nature you see change. This is obviously what it is. Oh yeah. OK. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So when is it that kind of destiny that nature can change now for example when when we return with a certain freedom or

Higgs I'm seeking genuine self rule we do that is a mutually agreed solution find and when we evangelised your time then I already made very clear since I think five six years ago now when that day come and I will set of one sort of interim government in the interim government interim interim government then I will handle the will. All right let's do it all started to do that government then I'm no longer as the head of Tibetan government because then I feel you see it. It can be. I see body politics already. He made clear the future Tibet should be democracy genuine democracy the government to Jinyan election. So on that basis that was the party. So therefore you see the

body politics then you see it be compatible with. So then it really is a question of just among those who should involve or not. So therefore I've already made clear then I will no longer be had with the government. Yes. If Buddhism does not believe in a creator god to whom do Buddhists pray. And why do they pray. Buddhism they accept or believe higher being. But does the Buddha said to us and are these not right from the beginning. Because as a higher being originally just like our south ordinate being but to dwell on sinning sinning. Eventually these higher spiritual experiences then we consider these are high and be so we see we

can pray or seeks out of some blessing or influence from these be. This next question how does it feel to live in exile from your own country. Of course one way of course it is that is sad. And particularly while we remain outside our own country. A lot of destruction spawns sufferings now take place. That's really sad. But other hand the exile life also provides provide more rights a new opportunity. Meeting with people from different religious tradition

and also the people from different walks of life or different professions. So for me personally is it it being the refugee status. So no longer the importance of what we call particles either portable protocol or local formality. I don't like it too much formality and also these particles these are I think the not much meaningful. When I was small a Dalai Lama I just was just a simple young boy. It was a project as a very holy man. I think that's either too much than that. So you see now become as a refugee when we pass through difficult to see period. There's no room to pretend. So you have to you have to accept the realities of reality. So I think it day become refugee I feel.

And it wasn't through a difficult period perhaps. I think that I've become more I think realistic maybe. So in that sense I feel you see too personally. I personally I feel it is a new experience. This is a sad period sad experience. Very useful. In fact I think human any human being when you are a life as we all see become easy and there is a danger to the spiral you're in a certain quality when you see you passing through when you're faced with the difficult experiences. And of course if you lose all hope and death that's of course a great tragedy otherwise. Is it a difficult experience. Actually I think the best period

of best time to gain inner strength. So that's my experience on that special wood Gundy is passive resistance techniques work in Tibet. I believe so. I do one one the one I think the thing is quite now become quite clear that just because our study carried strictly according to nonviolence non-violence principle now more and more Chinese among the Chinese intelligences some writers some thinkers and also some are just now showing genuine concern and sympathy and in some cases is showing their sense of solidarity.

I feel this is good. So after all the problem which we are facing is we should find a solution between Chinese and Tibet. No one else of course international community can help a lot. Is it to materialize meaningful negotiation. So that's why you see it's in time. I'm appealing to the international community. Please help us. That is the Dumitru that is meaningful negotiation without any precondition. So here also I would like to appeal to you as a human brother sisters. Please please help us in order to see in order to offer meaningful negotiation between the two lives. Materialize

meaningful negotiation and. And also as I mentioned before the non-violence is I think the only option for future for humanity. So now the Tibetan non-violent freedom struggle is one way is concerned with small human community in a remote area for ivory from the United States. But one way it is something very very much different with international city because of the international implications or implication the one way I sees it the conflict or contradiction is that people are sick. I mean I see the Fed up about bloodshed violence. But at the same time on

this you make some bloodshed. Nobody paid attention. This is the problem. So they support like a Tibetan nonviolent freedom struggle. If does succeed all those already in some good examples in South Africa under the leadership of Nelson Mandela and also be sure to do so I think some remarkable see the peaceful non-violent city where city success and also in some extent in middle east. Also you see the now the city the feeling of non-battle topic a topic that I don't know what what would probably would. The idea the idea is nonviolence now also is coming even in the Middle East. So these are all right in the of a positive indication for positive sign.

It's always a Tibetan freedom struggle to non-violence. Also once this city succeeds that will be the new baton for other similar community. I mean other communities who have similar problem and they also then you say have more encouragement to follow non-blood if you see the Tibetan non-violent freedom struggle nor does it feel this implication implication the violent that because or that the issue in London is that they are the one who should be an indication the terror terror and the that Tarshish in that narrative if the Tibetan nonviolent attempt to restore its freedom fails then this will be taken as a general sign in the world that the non-violent

path could not succeed. So it is vital. Yes no question. Some Buddhist groups allow their believers to eat meat and others are vegetarian. Which one is right and why. And why. Why is that. This is some bull just as a tradition. It's a stupid bridge. And like I said in the Chinese tradition and venom is this tradition. Usually I do generally stood Witchetty then in some cases like I can be in terawatt world generally is the one location there's a one Monga from Sri Lanka is it told me once that the

Buddhist monk neither vegetarian no not even today. Whatever you get from that off from the say offer offering should it do that original idea. I think that's true. But in any way. Basically although I myself was on veggie day in 65 I tried to become vegetarian and a next evolved didn't do much and I told him in veggie then some easy city illness some problems started. So then I returned to my previous diet non-wage. Since sometime back I usually do one day today and one day non-rigid day. So at least six months as a veggie.

So not one is a definite thing I would like to mention here is the must to promote vegetarians. That's excellent. That's very important. And and just to see if you can remain vits it is best Lorqess. This is the last question What are your feelings on the situation with the pension Lama. Is there any possible resolution in your opinion. Well certainly I feel we see some appropriate solution. We'll find it because at the time when I finalize the Benjamins using the nation the Chinese. Well it's a policy not only do us to bed but also to his

own towards Taiwan is he very much has a hard line that tingeing a hard liner. It was a policy. So you see in spite of my effort to communicate with China's government today even eventually the international pension Lemme become see I mean involved much trouble. But all the Chinese government policy become more open more flexible more reasonable then suddenly we will find a measly I it brokered solution. You've got a pendulum as I said the rainbow nation. Now yeah I want to say one thing. This is my young bench that is good Decima now. In fact now become iting youngest political prison complete innocent. Very sad.

So my anxiety is his safety and he's steady. So all fortunately outside world and his solamente also the government actually is very much concerned about his safety and study. This is very encouraging. So eventually I think is he as I mentioned earlier we will find some I think appropriate solution. Thank you very much. Good night. You've been watching live coverage from the Indiana University auditorium of a speech

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They are all the same it also all almost tends to make the Stinger missile idea because those are heat seeking missiles and they would go after not the belly of the airplane and blow it apart but they blow an engine apart and you'd have to see that on the flight data recorder and you also hear a report of the crew. I'm sure on the cockpit voice recorder. So we're going to a process of elimination. What do you suppose they're doing at this point with that voice or what would be happening now. I mean what if they have a sound spectrum team that has been assembled. Both the NTSB the FAA and I noticed also bring in our colleagues and from the investigation accident branch of the Ministry of Transport transport with the U.K. some of whom may well have worked on the Lockerbie investigation and tried to do a comparative analysis. But again think you heard that sound with the Lockerbie it was again a sudden and abrupt end to the cockpit voice recorder and not only on Pan Am 103. Air India wanted

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