American Experience; John Brown's Holy War; Interview with historian Charles Joyner, 1 of 3

who is it the extent to which the soft really have dominated the politics and the common way of the united states and this period leading up to this oval war ii that strike and how the one of that strike and the extent to which the south actually was in control of the government for so long and this period leading up to so war and for other first five governors can't four out of the first five seconds yes that strike and extending it's a soft control government and this period leading up to the storm the first four of the first five presidents came from virginia there was southern president's whole approved eighteen thirties and the faking

forties and fifties the country of alden a situation in which the mobile president was what they called a northern man of southern principles man in a northern born politician who did not object of slavery and until lake and there was never a crude anti slavery president up even when john quincy adams was pressed about prohibition that better and striking to marry the extent to which the south really kind of control the government and this period leading up to the civil war maybe not as completely as they control the government when they could elect for out of the first five presidents of the united states but even in the forties and fifties when most of the president did not come from the south those were presidents who came

from a group known as the dough faces at his northern man of southern principles the southern principles that they were referring to was that way i had no real objection to slavery and that is where the people who dominated the executive branch the soft maintain parody in the senate and will cause a headstrong figures pro slavery figures and they kept there a long time and had great deal of seniority calhoun inquiry those are great power and the congress so this is we have a certain power to it

it closely follows them better and i don't know what to get this is a government that is you know who controls gotham you know the fact that my mary warren so it's still a slippery prizes he's been it's really striking them at the extent to which the south continued to control the government continued to dominate the government and this period leading up to the so warm perhaps not as strong words and that began on one of four of the first five presidents came from virginia but even in the eighteen

fifties the south exercised a veto power over who would sit in the white house so the residents the white house for what were called though faces that is northern men of southern principal and the southern principal than a man who would countenance slippery that might do a separate soundbite of doing a supreme court dominated by southerners has the congress to the other two parts you know the supreme court and this period was dominated by southerners such as chief justice roger timing who declared a move could scott decision that black americans had no rights that white americans were bound to the respect that may just it forced us all to come to discuss the rise of the

book chronicles of power and this country reached out to the other two branches of government the supreme court was dominated by southerners and while the south and the north held parity in the senate with equal numbers representing three states and slave states the slave states had an advantage in this but the singer bassist and crew some way the north was going and the moon and the house with larger populations but even though they were northerners these people were still there remain north but yet they're still in a northerners were sympathetic to chavez i do you cut the last one i said before i say this about the house they said the us among supporters soundbite of that

the south did feel that its power was slip on low the fact that they could not elect a president from slave states and the fact that with each election plays saul frey statement gerard is growing and the house of representatives made for a very tense situation and the psyche of the slave holders yeah whenever you can surf point out their own really so you can get your head in the sentiment if you want it within the part about the psyche the power of the political power that the south deserves was related to the economic power cotton rows one gentleman hammond stood in the congress and said he dare not my quarrel cotton columnist

in we tend to see that as hyperbole number that's he was accurate to a port that appears that the whole american comedy was implicated in slavery the slaves themselves produce the well limited their masters rich pulled over on a boat they created the well that led a lot of people in america are rich people in england rich a sort of new triangular trade between southern plantation cotton and english cotton mills and trade with the new england manufacturing complicated virtue of the whole economy the united states and the maintenance and human slavery is astounding we start with the extent to which matters of conscience over slavery overtook colonel reported economists

khan was stuart mcclung itself was responsible for a kind of balance of payments that made possible expansion of the american economy the growth of the railroads the building of the infrastructure the clays american system the canals and the roads west where a lot of that was financed with him come from cotton and not everybody realized of course but an awful lot of people did realize that this was really built on the profits from slave labor it's been the point so if you're a slave insurrection is this is there are vulnerable under bill is that the slaves were prisoner well

they what was your problem slave owners professed to bury quite comfortable with this system and in many ways it is it to read their statements and believe that they do really sincere about that but at least twice and major ways and they're in the nineteenth century there were efforts at slave revolts and virginia with nat turner earlier in south carolina with them are busy that shook the slave society and i always had the example before them of what had happened in santa domingo that a slave insurrection have become a major revolution and that toppled the slave regime and their rhetoric and the john brown episode brought

that back into play abroad that memory back to the forefront of people's consciences he's doing this live in the plantation the essence of it the slave holders insisted that they were comfortable with slavery that slavery was ordained by god that slavery was a positive good but there were a mouth things that they worried about that they revealed you're worrying about that weren't nearly so comfortable they really do cracks in their own defenses their own psychological defenses and i had to do with slave insurrection that had to do with what had happened and the nat turner insurrection now that was put down

wrote quickly relatively quickly and and a very bloody a fashion by the virginia parties but in the back of their minds was when it happened and send them an that had toppled an entire slave society and put a black republic and the western hemisphere and that was something that was back in the back of the sidekick and under certain conditions the transit out of a little bit in your book about the transits with the transition garrison going for disliking the city's struggle between gas and the new testament then brown the old testament

meant the non violent in their math grades for the us in that struggle and i don't want to talk about and then also will go on top of those on changes in labor's interest thirty years the abolitionist pushed for moral suasion nonviolence moral suasion increasingly as time went on and the slavery system or listened to be stronger and stronger people such as john brown the democrat could lose tens of abolitionists the supplemental coast abolitionists one were more pure awesome after all responded to threats of southern secession by sun let them go people like brown began to wonder if it wasn't more interested in keeping his conscience clinton in ending slavery and he was became absolutely convinced that something more ahead to be done

after re gases actually able this man who always talked about passengers was actually able to embrace transactions after john brown's raid after his conviction and his death sentence it became increasingly difficult for any body on any side of this question to maintain old positions this was an absolutely split in the end it was the centrifugal kind of thing that said everyone out to the extremes moderate defenders of slavery and moderate opponents of slavery were all forced out the absolute positions can hear more pure awesome was no exception and this came to embrace brown high after the raid but he was not alone in that

you're just okay cool it is tactically a brilliant man in the plans as planned to come here as a planet but it also it is planned to be an evolving plan what you think of his tactical gear with john brown was like a hedgehog of straws ira berlin's notion of the hedgehog and the fox the fox knows many tang the hedgehog knows one big thing that john brown knew the one big thing that slavery had to go but john brown didn't have any clear idea

of how to get rid of it he tried one thing prime another nothing ever saying to work i have often thought of him as almost the outbursts of robert e lee lee was a brilliant tactician won far more battles than he lost the last war and john brown i've lost almost all his battles but one is war because he kept his mind on the main thing even if he didn't know how to get to it until his options were severely limited but when they were limited to me what to do that is planned this is someone calling just tactically in iraq because he keeps coming up with almost be suicidal

you know mr martin furey elvis certainly passes were going into our spirit lady in the cold war george burns george hay no phone with brown's plan to attack harpers ferry was ill conceived ill planned ill executed the slaves didn't turn out relatives calls it was a failure like almost everything else that he had undertaken as a businessman he'd failed as a professional revolutionary in kansas living on the donations of others did fail repeatedly he was more like george burns then george patton as the military

it's been at us because china a month in the black freshman recruitment our quiz is it really relevant questions so the chatham convention brown had opposition from two groups hope african americans african americans who had successfully a man submitted themselves by clear and accountability but when brown woman to redeem america with history as he saw it with his chatham constitution are a lot of the five hundred american flag the black canadians had no more regard for on the united states nor for that matter did free blacks from the united states who are part

of this will cause the dred scott decision had effectively taken away their citizenship yet they had no rights in this country why should they fight under its forehead and they were had grave doubts about brown's reliability and the situation they separate insert we're going to talk more about them down in brown and his reliability what is a recent day ground politically was patently they must be different however some point further african americans most politically tied to play they had learned from experience than there were not many white you could trust and this man with his wild ideas as they saw it that establish a

commonwealth did not seem to remember who are trustworthy huang was going to work was very positive for his lyrics after his capture john brown always said that he was go on simply to free some slaves and tried to take them canada not many scholars really believe that and the evidence from the chatham convention another thing seems to indicate that he really had that hope a star that's possible that even that barely he foresaw his inevitable the fleet and had already decided on the course of action that he ultimately took one when it was clear

that he had to be a loser that he was gone the bill won or not it came to the opposition leader and with a giveaway among the punchline where an asset here's a way to destroy but i'll always maintained that he was going to harpers ferry role was planted after his capture that he was going to harpers ferry to liberate a small group of slaves and tied them to canada not many scholars believe that now and not many after his capture brown always maintained

that he was going to harpers ferry to free a small group of slaves and conduct them to canada as he said he had done before most scholars believe own good evidence that his plan was way larger and bigger the wall hope to start insurrection that would bring about a total and destruction of slavery and the united states in any event he did not have them porsche has to do that are going to be media flocks to harpers ferry and has become such a sensation even so this is the impressive that's

also retain people are just getting off a train in the world will at the time responded to this could we rack for actively upon the modern current leading forensic out of this pressed descended on harpers ferry that energy brown who was holding a century press conferences these are modern terms to describe something that was done quite regularly and offered an opportunity to begin to reshape his own image and also offered possibility of doing more through failure and he had ever accomplished through any success let's talk about

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