Pantechnicon; Ted Patrick: Hare Krishna Deprogramming

What do you do. Hello I'm Eleanor stout. Ted Patrick is a highly controversial figure who kidnaps youngsters with their parents help and you Programs them in an effort to move them from the religious cults which have sprung up around the United States. Ted Patrick's methods are questionable. But then in many people's minds so are the methods of the religious cults. One of them being Harry Krishna. Tonight the vice president of Boston's how it questionable piece with us along with Ted Patrick and a mother whose son was formally a hard question member was kidnapped by Ted Patrick and subsequently deprogrammed. That's tonight on pantechnicon. The nightly magazine on entertainment the arts and ideas. Due to the controversial nature of this program and in fairness to all parties involved we have set up a debating format tonight with two minute opening statements by each guest followed by a general commentary and ending with two minute individual statements. Unfortunately due to lack of time many questions have been.

Left unanswered I guess de-program a Ted Patrick vice president of the Boston have a Krishna group about how the Dasa and some DOS attacks mother other de-programmed how to question another. Let's start off with one question which everybody can answer and why don't we start with you first Mr. Patrick. The question is is the experience of the villages culled valuable as you have seen it experienced only good thing about being in a cult was getting out of it. Yes only good thing in the experience. If you get out of it is very valuable because you you know you put great value on the least thing. Yes. So the value of it is not actually we do not consider Krishna card as a cult but the value of a joining

any organization is that man has a need to fulfill through organizations and this is the purpose of organizations to fulfill the needs a man any cultural or social work. And so if one joins a spiritual group he is looking to fulfill that a spiritual need. And according to his his mode of thinking he will join a particular group just as we see there are so many various religions not only in this country but throughout the world and people are joining these groups for because they find a certain satisfaction or certain need that is fulfilled or met and organization. Mrs A. I think in the cults it's like it's like anything else when you the people in the United States especially are very complacent because nothing has ever happened to us. And once you are in a cult and then have been rescued from the cult you as Ted said I

appreciate everything that you didn't even think about and took for granted before. I think that the experience of losing the most precious thing the most precious gift that God has ever given us and that's our free will and our mind to think when that is lost and then regained. I do think that you become a better person I think you're more aware of personal needs. I think you're more aware as you did mention of a little things that you never really noticed before and that perhaps you took for granted before just about are you going to involved in this and stand it in kidnapping children with the help of the parents to get them away from religious cults and starting through a deprogramming process. How did you happen to get involved in this kind of thing and what does God do for a while. Mum one. I got involved through my own son he was psychological kidnapped he was hypnotized by a group called Children of

God. I didn't know I had a problem until two weeks later when a lady came in and turned in the complaint about her song with take a name and when she told her experience it was identical the same as what my son had told me. And this is when I realize I had a problem and I set out to do something about it. And first place they let me explain programming first. Then you can understand the program. What do you use only young people and especially like this young man the way when we have nothing against him and my heart goes out to people like him and arrest someone that they are somebody. As you notice some of the most brilliant minds in the world. When my books say let our children go we are talking about him in all of the rest of the people like him. He got a brilliant mind and these are the people that they are getting.

They might get in the motor run and ski robe on the rug at it. There again some I have a most important natural resources and this is in our future leaders of tomorrow. And this if was so sad about it. They use on the spot hypnosis to psychological kidnap these people and they have no idea. Oddly not conscious of being hypnotized as a brainwashed under mind control. They used this only spot hypnosis to two psychological rang a man. They can come up to you on the street talking about God to Baba anything they feel that you are interested in and they got the ability with their eyes and what it is. It's a mental energy that come from the brain waves out through the eyes in the fingertips and I'm know you saw your gala on television in

person that can put a knife a nail up to his face like that and bend that night what he is using mental energy that come from the body. Everybody have it but it's just a matter of nor how to use it. But some people got more than others. Like electricity is a physical energy. This is a mentor energy and they can come up to you to take Nikita to get your attention and your trust. After they get there in a split second they can have you with this arc contact a complete hypnotic trance. And you don't know this is being done to you. A lot of people make a statement. Something had to be wrong with them in the first place. Everybody is vulnerable. If 99 percent of the people of New Day was being hypnotized they would have been able to get them they would have maybe been able to get him. OK. Once they get you under this trance they placed this post hypnotic suggestion into your mind. And man

are you may walk away say they are stupid or crazy and then know about what they place in your mind you don't know you was Hook would draw you right back into the commune right back to the people and your mind is already a conditioned for mind control brainwashing. And then once they get you that this is where the brainwashing began. They tear down your brain. I mean your your your my they destroy your free will. And they completely destroy all your old values that you grew up with and you known all your life and now were you was a loving person. 4. all student 3PAR 9:03 Pani. Love education Love your parents love everybody. They completely destroy love and come emotion you have no emotion whatsoever they destroy. This is what brainwashing is.

Namely in order to keep you in this frame a mime. They give you some type of self hypnosis to keep you from ever thank you not acting on your own for the rest of your life. Of then what the leader tell you to do and this come in the form of meditation yoga chant in a word a group or worse such as they are done and you can see all I'm out there they've got this bag and they chant one hundred and some rounds and they say. And then this is this to keep them hypnotized. This is self hypnosis. Every time he go to have desires if you you look good it's going to run through a smile and then right away he starts chan. And then wipe it all away. All every desire that a person can have every emotion is destroyed through this self hypnosis. So what do you do about programming. OK like I say only way to reason every call is

identical and the only way and one way only you got to destroy a person free will and the ability to think. And once we get them away from that in flaws you don't allow them to suffer. Hypnotize you said them. Challenging course in that they are not programmed to count because only thinking come on a computer is what you put into it. And the minus all listen raves computer in the world and I got to him with things that they just can't respond to and they get frustrated and each start digging deeper. Thank him. What I am so sure I get of and then the more the technique is to get them to use them I am because they think their mind is safe. Thank In this the machinery of the devil. You're only supposed to use your mind to serve God and God is always the leader. Proper and man are.

The most painful thing for me to do is to think in the mode I think to open my mind get when it might get open to a certain point they themselves see through all of the lies that they were brainwashed to believe and then realized that they were rip o bombs and crooks in commas that they didn't give their life the money they inherit and everything to God they gave it to a con artist and then they come out of it and after you get to my new work and you've got to keep it working long enough until they get in the habit of thinking and acting on their own and then making their own decision. That is the program and we used the troof. And they all used to barber in some ways of unknown just how much of an individual can you be with inherent Christian and tell us about your organization. Yes one is a complete individual use as you see several of our members came today all of

different and they speak they really are different personalities. We are an international cultural movement and our whole idea is teaching God consciousness according to the principles established in the Vedic literature of India and the scriptures have been followed by countless generations of men for thousands of years. Krishna Consciousness is in no way a use culture a new fad. It is the most ancient teachings of God known to man. Most westerners are unfamiliar with India's contribution to Western culture religion social values and science so we are attempting to introduce this knowledge or this important knowledge to the publication of our books. Our spiritual master has Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is not considered in any way to be God but he is our teacher a spiritual teacher and he is translated over 60 scholarly in the volitional texts which have been accepted by some of the best known university libraries in the world including Harvard Yale Oxford Princeton Columbia and we now own scholars in the in the field of Indian religion

culture philosophy Asian studies and new European philology psychology anthropology and others have offered both praise the appreciation in documentary reviews for sure profiles literary accomplishments and his important contribution in the fields of knowledge. And we have several reviews here with us in this publication called Krishna Consciousness is authorized. If someone wants to join your group how do they go about doing it and what is you or your daily routine like are you all part of the community or do you go home in the evening to your respective households or how does it all work. So first of all we should understand that hundreds and thousands of visitors are come to our centers in the western world and millions visit our centers in India and they are all of varying ages races creeds nationalities and so on this fact does not give any credence to the to the statement that we are your youth cult which we don't like to identify with. Implying that we give you no special attention

to one particular segment of the society. Or rather there are many distinguished persons from all the various races and nationalities especially among the Indian community here in Boston who frequent our temple regularly especially on these Sunday services that we have at 5 p.m. and which we invite anyone to come in and see for themselves. What you know what our community is made of. And anyway it's open to anyone. It's a church community is a religious function. Why do you need the support when you mean it as a means of supporters donations. And this is the way most of the actually professors of Indian philosophy or the Indian professors here at the various universities in Boston. They are all contributing their money to help the functions in the temple because there they are finding that we were actually presenting the Indian system of worshipping God in a bonafide unauthorized way. It is not something that has recently been made up.

Now are you saying then that Hari Krishna is not necessarily a part of the category of cult or not at all. I don't know. You're saying it's a religious body. This is not something that has been recently developed and has recently been taught in the Western world but certainly in India they have known this for a thousand years anyone can go to India and see them doing the same things chanting Hari Krishna just as we do in the streets and offering our spiritual food as we do. This is considered a civilized way of acting is giving food to everyone actually they don't want to be seen to be fed and no one should be impoverished. And actually these claims that in India there's poverty and so what does not bear out why people go there. The only poverty is in the cities where there's so much mismanagement by the Westernized leaders who don't know how to handle the actually thongs of people there or hand over a nationally why are God consciousness when people are automatically or normally cooperating with each other when they actually have developed God consciousness. Miss X What is your experience with religious

groups. You asked me about religious groups or you ask me how you want your particular group. My son was in the Hari Krishna group for two and a half years and I don't believe that that the practice here in the United States is the same as the practice in India because Christians in India from all the indication that I have gotten and from speaking to some people who are Indian a doctor who lives in Florida who whose family practices with as Krishna with Krishna as the Catholic or Gentile people. Jesus Christ Buddha or whatever. It's a religion over there it isn't. It isn't a money making organization or a con game which I believe it has been turned around and twisted into something that it never was meant to be here in the United States. I think that they go on campuses.

Universities and campuses so that they will get the young affluent men and women in this country. I definitely think that these young men and women are under mind control. They use self-hypnosis. There is a tremendous personality change. I saw this myself with my own family. I've talked to hundreds of people who have had the same experience. I never saw them before I never heard you know. It isn't that I told them to say something. It just came back to me that way. And it was it was a situation where they came they spoke to my son and some other people on his school grounds. He walked away from them feeling that they were very strange. He was a normal American type boy. And I'm not putting any other any other race religion or anything like that down but just he liked girls and he liked music and he loved school he was very very good in school and he was very close to his family

very very close to me and his brother and sister. He walked away from these people thinking that they were kind of you know you've never seen a thing like that before. But yet he said to me for some reason he said this after he was out. For some reason he was drawn into that Sunday feast. He went there and he said when he walked out his head was just pounding and pounding from the hypnotic tapes and the things that they were saying over and over again. And he was drawn into it that way. As I say his personality changed 100 percent. He called me a murderer because I ate meat. He said You're not my mother. He was talking about a spirit so I'm not this body I'm a spirit soul. He said to me real things that hurt me deeply. He said you're nothing but stool and urine. Now these things I'm not a I'm not an eastern philosophy major or anything like that I'm just a mother. And to see her son change so dramatically. He worked very very hard to buy himself

some skis. He sold the skis and he gave the money to the temple. His father had given him a gold ring. It took them six weeks to get that gold ring from him which they sold. He had $400 in the bank saved up for his college education. I didn't have any money and he worked very very hard for that money to go to college. He gave them the money and yet he lived on less than 50 cents a day. He slept three hours the most at night. His whole everything that he had ever grown up with was completely changed and turned around. I just don't think that these things can happen almost overnight without something there. I'm not speaking as an authority. I'm speaking as a human being and I'm speaking as a mother. I'm also speaking of someone who sees this happening to all these bright bright young men and women that this country needs. I'm not talking about India or any other country I'm talking about the United States because this is where I

live and I love this country and I hate to see the youth of our leaders of tomorrow just wiped out just about it one of the things I've been wondering about is first of all nothing is illegal so when you do take these youngsters with the help of their parents what does the law say about this or how do you you know how do you go about doing that OK the law say you are person a parents is justifiable and use in an emergency major there will ordinarily be our violation of the law to prevent greater harm than they will suffer only inside which is lesser of two evils. And to answer the question that you asked him a few minutes ago which he didn't answer. What if your days like OK that day is very sad because they get up at 2 o'clock in the morning. They take a cold shower they chant So men around her hair or curse her and then they spend most of their days 17 you see him

at the airport. 17 18 hours a day begun Rybin the public of bringing man in a weapon 200 to a thousand dollars a day and they all will in slavery. They're working without pay which is a violation of the 13th Amendment and also are they like pigs sleeping on the floor wall to wall human being and then they eat for less than 50 cents a day with a food cart dog or whatever they call 90 percent water in a boy's game. I mean lose 30 35 pound girl gain weight because the starter died and then all day and every day you see him stand up there chanting you can do it me you don't have to him but this is to keep him. Hit my tires and they were coming up to six minutes before closing time. What I would like to do now is start Mr Das and two minutes going around the table to

make finishing statements. He has raised his charges first. Is that two minutes this is your tomorrow. Mr. Patrick is a convicted criminal facing a one year jail sentence in Denver also faces two lawsuits in California for sexual abuse sexual perversion and physical mental torture among other charges. So we are bringing a legal suit against him through our lawyers in Los Angeles as well as against his publishers. And although we requested that we have more time to document our counter charges against Mr. Page including eyewitness testimony by members who have returned to Krishna consciousness after having been suggested subjected to his gestapo tactics he was insisting that we appear immediately without full preparation to face Mr. Patrick. Due to the harm that he has already done to our public image by working on the public's ignorance of our teachings we felt that we had to appear to defend ourselves especially since several member's lives had been threatened since his TV appearances here in Boston. So in order to bring a level of sobriety to his overly dramatise situation we have therefore consented to appear although we plan

to publicly air a case in the near future and all the media and we challenge Mr. Perry to defend himself against the charges which we wish to present against him. Any intelligent person should not heed his statements against Krishna consciousness which are simply lies and misrepresentations has cause unnecessary pain to the lives of many of our members who usually return of their own accord after being so called the program by him. He is simply working on the public's ignorance of India's spiritual culture which you are happily following to meet the real spiritual needs of ourselves who are trying to present these ideas to others for what we believe to be a much needed reminder that a godless civilization is a hellish civilization in which persons such as Mr Patrick are allowed to run rampant. Mr. Patrick is a threat not only to the criminal causes movement but to the American society since he flagrantly violates the First Amendment to the constitution allowing religious freedom to those of legal age. Many of his victims are over 18 years of age and inciting people to violence against the members or organization. So we're making a plea to all the sane

intelligent people like us. Thank you. This is it. Yes I don't have a paper in front of me to read like the gentleman from Krishna. I'm just talking as a human being who went through a very very personal experience and I've seen it happen to many people. Mr. Patrick walked into my house and my son was chanting and was like in another world. Ted packets sat there. My son was in for two and a half hours when he first walked in my son looked at him and he said to me you get this man out of my house or you're never going to see me again. Now I was very frightened at that time because I didn't know Ted Patrick and I didn't know what to do. But I didn't say anything. Ted Patrick sat in front of my son and talked to him for 45 minutes. I have seen other D programs Ted Patrick has six children and if he is the kind of man who would hurt children. I I would bet my life my life that he would never touch a hair

of anyone's head. So I can say to you that these accusations that were made against Mr Patrick are false. Believe me or not believe me that's that's up to you. My own personal experience was that Ted spoke to my son and shot challenging questions at him. At first my son you could see that he wasn't thinking he was chanting and he was in this other world and then all of a sudden the questions that Ted was asking him seemed to get through his eyes cleared up and he started asking Ted questions he said oh my god do you mean for two and a half years I thought I was giving everything to God. And what I was doing was making money and getting everything to a man. At that point I couldn't believe it because he was like a different person he was like my son again. He hadn't touched me or said and decent word to me in two and a half years. He came over to me at that point and he put his arms around me. Now before this when I would come near him he was revulsed. He put his arms around me and I said Randy

do you still want to go away. And he said no Mom I love you. And he thank God. And Mr. Patrick and anyone that had anything to do with freeing him. Thank you missy. Mr. Patrick. Yes our fighting died for the first amendment. And this is what I'm doing on freedom of religion freedom of education freedom to go if you please freedom to marry who you want to marry in freedom to have an education in freedom to be a person. And then he stated that I have read why he says sexual abuse comes from people this is he going to have to prove. And man are deaf and want a tape of this and you know this are this is a person with a Ph D. The reason he can answer your question because it wasn't on the paper. He can only say what's on that paper. This is what I'm talking about the program is consists of things that they are not

program even though he had the pay of a Ph. DAVID Really. He can't answer a simple question that would require a yes or no. Counsel in a way they create young people babies take them away from that mother every year and teach them to hate the Omagh over that are members or person of the documentary that was show on national television was a disgrace to this country the way they abused these poor babies that would never have a chance in life. When there was I can help from the front to see something like this. And they ran him out of Dallas and there now they went to locate in some other part of the United States and the people got together in petition and kept them out of there and I'm not talking about this man the same here and wanted to see him Tomah proper parleyed no good crooks take in every pin are no peoplehood Gavyn wherefrom pin dollars to millions of dollars every

cent they own in the world and they got they don't pay for anything we can't figure out. Slaves don't know work. And now all this money they paid millions of dollars for property carriage when it stopped managed better. Thank you very much all of you for coming today. We've been listening to Ted Patrick a man who kidnaps children with the help of their parents in order to deprogram them from the religious cults which have sprung up around the United States. Also this evening we've heard from a lot have a vice president of the Boston how a Christian a grope and Sunder sex mother of a boy who was a former member of how a questioner was subsequently kidnapped by Ted Patrick and programmed. We invite your notes and comments on this program and for than technical. This is Eleanor stout Wishing you a pleasant good evening.