PBS NewsHour; Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT

JUDY: GOOD EVENING. I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. ON THE "NEWSHOUR" TONIGHT, FIGHTING INFLATION. SOME ECONOMISTS VOICE THEIR OPPOSITION TO RAISE INTEREST RATES TO COMBAT RISING PRICES. THEN, A CRITICAL MOMENT. UKRAINE DEPLOYS WESTERN WEAPONS TO SLOW THE INVASION'S ADVANCE AS RUSSIAN FORCES RESORT TO LONG-RANGE STRIKES AGAINST UKRAINIAN CITIES. >> IF WE LET RUSSIAN OCCUPANTS TO KEEP THIS TERRITORY UNDER THEIR CONTROL, IT WILL LET RUSSIANS TO MAKE ROOTS DEEPER, . JUDY: AND, RIGHTS AFTER ROE. THE SENATE CONSIDERS LEGISLATION CODIFYING THE FEDERAL RIGHT TO GAY MARRIAGE AMID FEARS OF FUTURE SUPREME COURT ACTIONS. WE DISCUSS THE BILL WITH SENATOR

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♪ >> THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROVIEWERS LIKE YOU. THANK YOU. JUDY: A NEW HEAT WAVE IS SCORCHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST TONIGHT, AS THE EAST COAST FINALLY GETS RELIEF. FORECASTS CALLED FOR HIGHS OF 110 DEGREES IN EASTERN WASHINGTON STATE AND OREGON TODAY, AND OREG'S GOVERNOR DECLARED AN EMERGENCY.

ALONG THE COAST, PORTLAND FACED READINGS OF 100, AND SEATTLE HEADED INTO THE 90'S. MEANWHILE, RISING HUMIDITY AGAIN SLOWED THE SPREAD OF THE OAK FIRE BURNING NEAR YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK. IT'S NOW 26% CONTAINED. THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL IN MORE THAN A CENTURY FLOODED THE ST. LOUIS AREA TODAY. SOME SECTIONS GOT MORE THAN 11 INCHES IN A MATTER OF HOURS. THE RESULTING FLASH FLOODS SUBMERGED ROADS AND THREATENED HOMES, AND ONE PERSON WAS KILLED. THE DELUGE FOLLOWED A PERIOD OF EXTENDED DROUGHT. THE U.S. SENATE IS SET TO PASS A BIPARTISAN BILL WORTH $280 BILLION TO BOOST THE SEMI-CONDUCTOR INDUSTRY. SENATORS AGREED TODAY TO LIMIT DEBATE AND TAKE A FINAL VOTE LATER THIS WEEK. AT THE SAME TIME, GENERAL MOTORS BLAMED SHORTAGES OF CHIPS AND PARTS FOR A 40% PLUNGE IN PROFITS FROM A YEAR AGO. RUSSIA SAYS IT WILL OFFICIALLY WITHDRAW FROM THE INTERNATIONAL

SPACE STATION. THE COUNTRY'S SPACE CHIEF SAYS INSTEAD, MOSCOW WILL FOCUS ON BUILDING ITS OWN ORBITING OUTPOST. TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT HAD BEEN EXPECTED, WITH TENSIONS RUNNING HIGH OVER THE WAR IN UKRAINE. >> AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION ON THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION. OF COURSE, WE WILL FULFILL ALL OUR OBLIGATIONS TO OUR PARTNER, BUT THE DECISION TO LEAVE AFTER 2024 HAS BEEN TAKEN. JUDY: WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS OF ALL THIS LATER IN THE PROGRAM. THE EUROPEAN UNION AGREED TODAY TO RATION NATURAL GAS THIS WINTER. IT CAME A DAY AFTER RUSSIAN ENERGY GIANT GAZPROM CUT THE GAS FLOW THROUGH THE NORD STREAM 1 PIPELINE TO 20% CAPACITY. GERMANY'S ECONOMIC MINISTER SAID THE EU BLOC WILL NOT BOW TO PRESSURE. >> WE HAVE NOW SEEN IT VERY CLEARLY THAT THE STRATEGY IS TO KEEP THE PRICE HIGH IN EUROPE AND THUS TO LET THE POLITICAL

PRICE GET HIGHER AND HIGHER, AND THUS TO DIVIDE EUROPE AND ALSO TO SPLIT OFF SOLIDARITY WITH UKRAINE. THIS COUNCIL TODAY HAS SENT A STRONG, DECISIVE SIGNAL. EUROPE WILL NOT BE DIVIDED. JUDY: THE DRAFT EU LEGISLATION CALLS FOR VOLUNTARY REDUCTIONS OF 15% FROM AUGUST THROUGH MARCH. POPE FRANCIS HELD A HU OUTDOOR MASS IN CANADA TODAY, A DAY AFTER APOLOGIZING FOR THE MISTREATMENT OF GENERATIONS OF INDIGENOUS SCHOOL CHILDREN. AN ESTIMATED 50,000 PEOPLE TURNED OUT IN EDMONTON, ALBERTA. THE POPE PRAISED THE INDIGENOUS TRADITION OF SHOWING RESPECT FOR ELDERSBUT MADE NO FURTHER MENTION OF HIS APOLOGY. CONSPIRACY THEORIST ALEX JONES WENT ON TRIAL IN TEXAS TODAY FOR LYING ABOUT THE SANDY HOOK SCHOOL MASSACRE IN 2012. THE ATTACK LEFT 20 CHILDREN AND SIX ADULTS DEAD BUT JONES , CLAIMED IT WAS A HOAX TO INCREASE GUN CONTROL. THE TRIAL WILL DECIDE HOW MUCH HE PAYS IN DAMAGES TO ONE OF THE

FAMILIES. THE SCHOOL WAS IN CONNECTICUT. JONES' INFOWARS PROGRAM IS BASED IN TEXAS. PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PHYSICIAN NOW SAYS HIS COVID SYMPTOMS ARE ALMOST RESOLVED. AND, THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF SAID TODAY, HE'S FEELING GREAT. THERE'S ALSO NEW RESEARCH THAT CONCLUDES THE PANDEMIC LIKELY BEGAN AT A LIVE ANIMAL MARKET IN WUHAN, CHINA, NOT AT A GOVERNMENT LAB IN THE SAME CITY. THE FINDINGS APPEAR IN THE JOURNAL "SCIENCE." IN ECONOMIC NEWS, CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IN JULY WAS THE LOWEST IN A YEAR AND A HALF AMID WORRIES ABOUT INFLATION. AND, NEW HOME SALES IN JUNE HIT THEIR LOWEST IN MORE THAN TWO YEARS, DRIVEN BY RISING MORTGAGE RATES. ON WALL STREET, STOCKS FELL AFTER WALMART WARNED THAT HIGH PRICES HAVE FORCED SHOPPERS TO CUT BACK. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST 228 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 31,761. THE NASDAQ FELL 220 POINTS, NEARLY 2%. THE S&P 500 WAS DOWN 1%.

STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR," THE REPUBLICAN DIVIDE WIDENS AS DONALD TRUMP AND MIKE PENCE BOTH DELIVER SPEECHES IN WASHINGTON. A PLANNED VISIT TO TAIWAN BY HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI RAISES QUESTIONS IN THE U.S. AND CHINA. THE FUTURE OF THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION IS IN DOUBT AFTER RUSSIA ANNOUNCES ITS WITHDRAWAL. PLUS, MUCH MORE. ♪ >> THIS IS THE PBS NEWSHOUR FROM W ETA STUDIOS IN WASHINGTON AND IN THE WEST FROM THE WALTER CRKITE SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY. JUDY: THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS EXPECTED TO RAISE INTEREST RATES AGAIN BY THREE QUARTERS OF A POINT TOMORROW. FED CHAIR JAY POWELL HAS MADE IT CLEAR HE WANTS TO SUBSTANTIALLY CURB THE RATE OF INFLATION, BUT THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS THE FED COULD OVERREACT AND TIP THE

ECONOMY INTO A RECESSION. THE LATEST WARNING SIGNS -- NEW HOME SALES WERE DOWN FOR THE FIFTH TIME THIS YEAR AND CONSUMER CONFIDENCE SLID FOR THE THIRD MONTIN A ROW. ECONOMIST PAUL KRUGMAN HAS BEEN WRITING ABOUT THIS IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND JOINS ME NOW. WELCOME BACK TO THE NEWSHOUR. WHAT DO YOUTOMORROW AND DO YOU S THE RIGHT THING? PAUL: THEY ARE GOING TO DO -- IT WILL BE A HUGE SURPRISE IF THEY DON'T DO WITH RECORDERS OF 1% INCREASE, WHICH I HAVE TO SAY I AM A BIG MONETARY DOVE MOST OF THE TIME. I DO THINK THE NEED TO DO THIS. THE NEED TO DO THE RATE HIKES THEY HAVE DONE SO FAR BECAUSE, ALTHOUGH INFLATION IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON AND MOST OF THE INFLATION WE ARE SEEING IS SOMETHING WE ARE SHARING WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD, IT IS CLEAR THE U.S. ECONOMY WAS OVERHEATED. AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE WERE RUNNING TOO HOT AND THE

FED NEEDED TO COOL THINGS DOWN. THE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS WHAT TO DO GOING FORWARD. I WILL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY SAY THAN WHAT THEY DO. THEY WILL RAISE IT BY 75 BASIS POINTS, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO SHOW A WILLINGNESS TO START TO MAYBE EASE OFF ON FURTHER RATE HIKES IN THE LIGHT OF DAY? THERE'S A LOT OF VERY SHORT-TERM DATA COMING IN NOW THAT SUGGESTS INFLATION IS COMING DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. AND ALSO, A LOT OF DATA SUGGESTING THE ECONOMY IS WEAKENING SUBSTANTIALLY. THE QUESTION REALLY IS GOING TO BE IS THE FED GOING TO SIGNAL A WILLINGNESS TO MAYBE START TO LOOSEN UP A BIT IN THE NEAR FUTURE? JUDY: YOU ARE MORE CONCERNED AT THIS POINT ABOUT THE SIGNALS THEY WILL SEND TOMORROW AND WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD. HOWEVER IT ARE YOU THAT WHAT THEY DO COULD TIP US INTO A RECESSION? PAUL: IT IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY. WHAT THE FED IS TRYING TO DO IS COOL THINGS DOWN, SLOW THE

ECONOMY DOWN, FLATTEN THE SLOPE WITHOUT TIPPING IT DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE THE ECONOMY GOES IN A PLUNGE THAT IS UNNECESSARY, THAT IS DEEPER THAN NECESSARY TO COOL INFLATION. IT IS NOT AS IF THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF EXACT CONTROL. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PRECISION, FINE TUNING OF THE ECONOMY. TOMORROW'S MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE AT ALMOST THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME. THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF DATA COMING IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. NOT GDP, BUT MORE IMPORTANT, SOME READINGS ON LABOR COSTS ON FRIDAY THAT EVERYONE IN MY CIRCLE IS VERY ANXIOUS TO SEE, AND LOTS MORE TO COME. THE FED IS BEING OBLIGED TO TAKE A MAJOR DECISION REALLY VERY MUCH IN THE DARK. AND THE CHANCE -- THE CHANCE OF GETTING IT WRONG IS VERY HIGH. NOT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT THE FED ARE BAD, BUT BECAUSE IT IS A

VERY DIFFICULT JOB UNDER THESE CONDITIONS. JUDY: EXPLAIN TO US WHY WE SHOULD BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT A RECESSION THAN WE ALREADY ARE, ABOUT INFLATION. PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW WITH HIGHER PRICES. PAUL: WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT INFLATION. IT'S CLEARLY UNACCEPTABLE. INFLATION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN, BUT THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH -- THE FED WILL DO ENOUGH TO BRING INFLATION UNDER CONTROL. THE MARKETS BELIEVE THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT MARKET EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT INFLATION WILL BE OVER THE NEXT YEAR, THEY HAVE GONE FROM 7% A FEW MONTHS AGO TO A LITTLE OVER 2% NOW. THE MARKETS REALLY ARE CONVINCED THE FED WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BRING INFLATION UNDER CONTROL. NOW, THE RISK IS THEY DO MORE THAN THAT. IT IS NOT A QUESTION THAT INFLATION IS OK, IT'S THAT INFLATION IS SOMETHING WE KNOW THEY WILL DEAL WITH. THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY SUFFICIELY SENSITIVE TO THE

RISK OF OVERDOING IT AND CAUSING AN UNNECESSARY RECESSION? JUDY: IN BRIEF, WHY IS A RECESSION A BIGGER WORRY FOR YOU? PAUL WELL, A RECESSION MEANS THAT PEOPLE LOSE JOBS. THERE'S A HIGHER COST OF LIVING, WHICH MEANS YOUR SALARY DOES NOT STRETCH AS FAR, A BAD THING. NOT GETTING A SALARY AT ALL IS AN EVEN WORSE THING. IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC LOSSES, THE LOSSES FROM INFLATION ARE REAL. ALTHOUGH, THE ONES THAT HURT THE MOST ARE THE THINGS THE FED DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL, LIKE THE PRICE OF OIL. THE LOSSES OF HAVING PRODUCTIVE WORKERS NOT BEING ALLOWED TO PRODUCE BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS DEPRESSED, THE OUTPUT, THE STUFF WE COULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCING THAT WE DON'T BECAUSE FACTORIES HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN, BECAUSE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN, THOSE ARE ALWAYS HUGE ECONOMIC COSTS. WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO INCUR THOSE. INFLATION IS A BAD THING, BUT

THE GREAT DEPRESSION WAS A REALLY, REALLY BAD THING. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT A RECESSION IF YOU CAN AVOID IT. JUDY: YOU WROTE A COLUMN THE OTHER DAY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG IN FORECASTING. YOU DID NOT SUFFICIENTLY EXPECT INFLATION WAS GOING TO BE AS BAD AS IT HAS BEEN. AS YOU THINK ABOUT WHETHER THE FED COULD OVERREACT, HOW DO YOU SQUARE THOSE TWO THINGS? PAUL: THE FED WAS WRONG, TOO. THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF AIR BETWEEN MY VIEWS OF THE FUTURE OF INFLATION IN EARLY 2021 AND THOSE OF THE FED. WE ALL -- THE WORLD IS A COMPLICATED PLACE. IF YOU NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE, YOU ARE NOT TAKING ENOUGH RISKS. THE FED WAS CONCERNED TO AVOID MISTAKES IT HAS MADE IN THPAST WHEN IT HAS BEEN MUCH TOO TIGHT, AND THEY FAILED TO SEE -- THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOBODY'S FAULT EXCEPT VLADIMIR

PUTIN'S, LIKE THE RISE IN ENERGY AND FOOD PRICES. BUT THE U.S. ECONOMY GOT OVERHEATED TO A GREATER DEGREE THAN THEY OR I EXPECTED. BUT THE POINT IS THEY HAVE REACTED TO THAT. THE FED HAS TIGHTENED A LOT, AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, MARKETS HAVE PRICED IN THE FACT THAT THE FED IS GOING TO TIGHTEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO TIGHTEN SOMEWHAT MORE. MORTGAGE RATES, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PLACE OF WHAT THE FED DOES AFFECTS REAL PEOPLE'S LIVES LARGELY THROUGH MORTGAGE RATES WHICH AFFECTS HOUSING, CONSTRUCTION, EMPLOYMENT, AND SO ON. MORTGAGE RATES HAVE REALLY SOARED THIS YEAR. THE FED HAS ALREADY REACTED TO THAT MISTAKE AND HAS TRIED TO UNDO THE DAMAGE. AT THIS POINT, THE PROBLEM IS WILL THEY DO TOO MUCH? JUDY: FINALLY, PEOPLE WATCHING THIS, WHAT SHOULD THEY TAKE AWAY TONIGHT IN TERMS OF YOUR VIEW ON HOW WORRIED YOU ARE ABOUT A

SERIOUS RECESSION COMING? PAUL: I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY NOT HEADED FOR ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AFTER THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS. ONE THING, THE FED IS NOT STUPID. THINGS ARE NOT OUT OF CONTROL. INFLATION IS HH BUT THEY ARE REACTING TO THAT. THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE REALLY HUGE STRUCTURAL WEAKNESSES. IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE BANKING SYSTEM IS GOING TO COLLAPSE. CONSUMERS, MANY OF THEM HAVE SOME CUSHION OF SAVINGS. WE ARE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AT WORST -- I'M SHOWING MY AGE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THAT LONG AGO, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THE 2001 RECESSION AFTER THE DOT-COM BUBBLE BURST. A RELATIVELY MILD RECESSION, BUT EVEN THAT MEANS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE'S OF LIVES ARE SERIOUSLY DISRUPTED. CATASTROPHE, NO. BUT, SOME PAIN IS DEFINITELY A REAL POSSIBILITY. JUDY: PAUL KRUGMAN, WE

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. PAUL: THANK YOU. ♪ JUDY: FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP RETURNED TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TODAY F THE FIRST TIME SINCE LEAVING OFFICE TO DELIVER A SPEECH. THIS COMES AS THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS HINTED AT A 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT, AND ON THE HEELS OF A PRIMETIME HEARING BY THE JANUARY 6 SELECT COMMITTEE LAST WEEK THAT ACCUSED HIM OF VIOLATING HIS OATH OF OFFICE ON JANUARY 6. WILLIAM BRANGHAM HAS MORE. WILLIAM: JUDY, THE SPEECH WAS FAMILIAR WITH A DARK LITANY. OVER 90 MINUTES OF CRITICISMS OF PRESIDENT BIDEN, THE DEMOCRATS AND THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY AS HE SEES IT TODAY. HE ALSO REPEATED THE LIE THAT HE WON THE ELECTION IN 2020. >> I RAN THE FIRST TIME AND I

WON. I RAN A SECOND TIME AND I DID MUCH BETTER. WE GOT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS MORE VOTES. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S GOING TO BE THE STORY FOR A LONG TIME, WHAT A DISGRACE IT WAS. WE MAY JUST HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN. WILLIAM: HOURS BEFORE THAT AND LESS THAN A MILE AWAY, HIS FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE SPOKE AT ANOTHER CONFERENCE. PENCE SAID THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO BE LOOKING FORWARD. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR MOVEMENT IS THAT DIVIDED. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT AND I DIFFER ON ISSUES. BUT WE MAY DIFFER ON FOCUS. I TRULY DO BELIEVE THAT ELECTIONS ARE ABOUT THE FUTURE. WILLIAM: TO ASSESS THESE TWO MESSAGES AND WHAT ACTUALLY REPUBLICAN VOTERS WANT, WE TURN TO SARAH LONGWELL. SHE'S A LONGTIME REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST WHO HAS SPENT THIS SUMMER LEADING FOCUS GROUPS WITH REPUBLICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SHE'S ALSO THE FOUNDER OF E REPUBLICAN ACCOUNTABILY PROJECT WHICH IS A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE THAT WORKS TO DEFEAT CANDIDATES WHO HAVE REPEATED TRUMP'S ELECTION LIES. VERY GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THE NEWSHOUR. WE JUST HEARD A LITTLE BIT FROM THE PRESIDENT -- FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE IN HIS SPEECH TODAY RANGED ACROSS A WHOLE SWATH OF ISSUES. FROM YOUR POLLING, AND YOUR FOCUS GROUPS, WHAT ARE THE TOP ISSU FOR REPUBLICAN VOTERS TODAY? SARAH: WELL, THERE IS NO DOUBT IT IS THESE KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM. GAS PRICES, INFLATION. TO SOME DEGREE, IT IS ALSO IMMIGRATION. BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS -- OBVIOUSLY, IT IS NOT JUST REPUBLICAN VOTERS. THE ECONOMY IS THE DOMINANT ISSUE THAT I HEAR FROM VOTERS ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. BUT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT VOTERS ARE LESS INTERESTED IN IS A LOT OF THE RELITIGATION OF 2020 AND DONALD TRUMP'S GRIEVANCE.

EVEN WITH REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO TEND TO AGREE WITH HIM OR DID SUSPECT THERE WAS SOMETHING FISHY ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION, THEY DO WANT TO BE LOOKING FORWD. I THINK DONALD TRUMP RUNS THE RISK OF THAT MESSAGE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OLD. I HAVE DONE NINE FOCUS GROUPS SINCE THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS REALLY CHANGED FROM PRIOR TO THE HEARINGS IS THAT GOP VOTERS ARE STARTING TO WORRY HE'S NOT AS ELECTABLE AS POTENTIALLY SOME OTHER CANDIDATES MIGHT BE. I THINK IT IS NOT THAT THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS HAVE BROKEN THROUGH, SO MUCH AS THEY ARE SEEPING IN AND THERE ARE STARTING TO BE CONCERNS AMONGST VOTE THAT TRUMP MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO WIN AND THESE REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE INTERESTED IN WINNING. THEY THINK THERE'S A LOT WRONG WITH THE ECONOMY AND JOE BIDEN. THEY DO WANT TO BE LOOKING FORWARD, AS MIKE PENCE SAID. UNFORTUNATELY FOR MIKE PENCE, THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FORWARD TOWARDS CANDIDATES LIKE HIM. AS FAR AS THESE CANDIDATES ARE

CONCERNED -- VOTERS ARE CONCERNED, MIKE PENCE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT. THEY USE VERY NEGATIVE TERMINOLOGY ABOUT HIM. THEY CALL HIM A RINO, A TRAITOR. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN CANDIDATES FROM TRUMP'S MOLD. THEY DESCRIBE IT AS THE AMERICA FIRST WING OF THE PARTY. SO, SOMEBODY LIKE RON DESANTIS WHO THEY SEE AS A TRUMP FIGHTER BUT WITHOUT THE BAGGAGE TENDS TO BE MORE WHERE THEY ARE HEADED. WILLIAM: I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS, BECAUSE THOSE IS -- THOSE OF US HERE IN WASHINGTON HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING SOME PRETTY DECENT RATINGS AMONGST VIEWERS. BUT THE SENSE WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN IS THE CONSERVATIVE MEDIA HAS IN SOME WAYS DOWNPLAYED THEM, DENIGRATED THE HEARINGS AS NOTHING TO SEE HERE. YOU WERE DESCRIBING HOW THE JUST OF THOSE HEARINGS HAS BEEN CREEPING UP OR LEAKING OUT. WHAT IS THE SENSE YOU ARE HEARING FROM REPUBLICAN VOTERS ABOUT THAT?

WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT JANUARY 6 AND TRUMP'S ROLE ON THAT DAY? SARAH: THEY TEND TO NOT BLAME DONALD TRUMP. THEY VERY BADLY WANT TO MOVE ON FROM THE CONVERSATION AROUND JANUARY 6. I THINK THEY BELIEVE IT REFLECTS POORLY ON THEM AND ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THEY WOULD MUCH RATHER BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ABOUT DEMOCRATS. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE HEARINGS -- THEY DON'T LIKE THE HEARINGS. THEY DESCRIBED THEM AS A DOG AND PONY SHOW. THEY DESCRIBED THEM AS A WITCHHUNT. AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN SO EFFECTIVE, THEY HAVE PUT REPUBLICANS ON SOME DEFENSE. WHILE THESE RIGHT WING MEDIA ECOSYSTEM, THEY DON'T CARRY THE HEARINGS AND THEY EXCORIATED THE HEARINGS, THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ENGAGE IN THE HEARINGS. THE RIGHT-WING MEDIA SYSTEM IS WHERE THESE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO DEFEND THEMSELVES BY WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS PUTTING FORWARD. AND AS A RESULT, ALL OF THESE REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE VERY AWARE OF THE HEARINGS WHICH IS NOT

ALWAYS THE CASE. THEY ARE MORE ENGAGED WITH THEM ACTUALLY THEN THEY MIGHT BE. EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY DON'T LIKE THEM, IT IS STILL CAUSING THEM TO WORRY ABOUT TRUMP'S ELECTABILITY PROSPECTS. WHEN WE WERE DOING THE FOCUS GROUPS, PRIOR TO JANUARY 6, YOU WOULD USUALLY GET HALF THE GROUP OR MORE WHO SAY THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE DONALD TRUMP RUN AGAIN IN 2024. IN THOSE NINE GROUPS, THERE WERE FOUR GROUPS WHERE ZERO PEOPLE WANTED HIM TO RUN AGAIN. WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND IT WAS ONLY 15% OF THE RESPONDENTS WANTED TO SEE TRUMP RUN AGAIN IN 2024. THAT IS A BIG TURNAROUND. WE WERE QUITE SURPRISED. I WAS SKEPTICAL OF THE NARRATIVE THAT DONALD TRUMP'S GRIP ON THE GOP IS SLIPPING BECAUSE IN THE FOCUS GROUPS, THEY STILL WANTED TO SEE HIM RUN IN 24. I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT START TO WANE IN THE WAKE OF THESE HEARINGS. WILLIAM: SO INTERESTING TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. THEY WOULD HOPE THAT IF THEY WE THE KINGMAKERS THEMSELVES, TRUMP WOULD NOT RUN.

WE STILL DON'T KNOW IF THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS GOING TO RUN. LET'S JUST SAY THAT HE DOES ANNOUNCE NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW THAT HE IS RUNNING. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE FROM TALKING TO THOSE VOTERS? DO THEY THEN SAY, OK, HE'S THE GUY NOW, WE HAVE TO GO WITH HIM? OR LET'S SAY THERE'S A CONTESTED PRIMARY, WILL THEY TURN TO A RON DESANTIS OR SOMEONE LIKE THAT? SARAH: I CANNOT BE CERTAIN OF THE ANSWER. MY GUESS IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS PEOPLE ALSO DOING FOCUS GROUPS AND POLLING. AND THEY ARE SEEING THE SAME SOFTENING AND HIS SUPPORT THAT I AM. I THINK BESIDES HIS LEGAL TROUBLES, MY GUESS IS THAT PART OF THE REASON HE SO EAGER TO JUMP IN EARLY IS TO TRY TO FREEZE OUT OTHER CANDIDATES, TO TRY TO REIGNITE PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN HIM. WE HAVE NOT SEEN RON DESANTIS ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. WE HAVE NOT SEEN PEOPLE LIKE MIKE PENCE OR OTHERS WHO MIGHT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GETTI IN, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE IF THEY ARE GOING HEAD TO HEAD WITH DONALD TRUMP.

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016 WHEN THERE WAS A CROWDED FIELD. DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T NEED A MAJORITY, HE JUST NEEDED THE PERALTA -- THE PLURALITY. HE DOES HAVE A VERY HARD-CORE BASE OF SUPPORTERS THAT ARE GOING TO GO WITH HIM AND MAYBE ONLY HIM. IF YOU'VE GOT OTHER CANDIDATES THAT ARE SPLITTING THE VOTE, AND DONALD TRUMP OVER THERE WITH HIS PLURALITY OF HARD-CORE MAGA VOTERS, THAT STILL GIVES HIM A LEG UP IN POTENTIALLY WINNING THE NOMINATION. WILLIAM: THAT IS REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST SARAH LONGWELL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SARAH: THANKS FOR HAVING ME. ♪ JUDY: THE DELIVERY OF WESTERN PRECISION ROCKET SYSTEMS TO UKRAINE HAS CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF THE WAR, SLOWING RUSSIA'S ADVANCE AND LOWERING UKRAINIAN CASUALTIES ALONG THE FRONTLINES. NOW, RUSSIA HAS INCREASINGLY

RESORTED TO USING ITS OWN LONG-RANGE MISSILES TO WREAK HAVOC ONITIES DEEP INSIDE UKRAINIAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY. FROM THE MYKOLAIV REGION OF SOUTHERN UKRAINE, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT SIMON OSTROVSKY AND VIDEOGRAPHER YEGOR TROYANOVSY REPORT. >> FOR RUSSIA, IT SEEMS NO TARGET IS TOO SMALL THIS MODEST WAREHOUSE IN THE SOUTHERN CITY OF MYKOLAIV WAS HIT IN THE EARLY HOURS OF JULY 21. NO ONE WAS HURT BUT A SUPPLY OF FOOD AND DRINKS DONATED TO THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY WAS COMPLETELY WIPED OUT. RUSSIA IS DESTROYING MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT TARGETS AS WELL. THIS IS THE AFTERMATH OF A JULY 17 STRIKE WHICH RESULTED IN A MASS CASUALTY EVENT THAT NEWSHOUR CAN FOR THE FIRST TIME REPORT. >> JUST LOOK AT THESE RUINS. THEY ARE REALLY EXTENSIVE, SO THIS WAS HIT PURPOSEFULLY. YOU KNOW?

>> I ASKED HIM IN RUSSIAN IF THE STRIKE WAS PRECISE. TO ABOUT 50 CENTIMETERS, EXACT. EVERYTHING HIT ITS TARGET. YURI IS THE OWNER OF A PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FACTORY THAT WAS LOCATED HERE. >> THIS FACTORY AND WAREHOUSE SPACE WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED IN A RECENT RUSSIAN MISSILE STRIKE. THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY HAS TOLD US THIS IS AIVILIAN TARGET AND THERE WAS NO REASON FOR RUSSIA TO HIT IT, BUT WE HAVE SEEN EVIDENCE THAT THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY DID INDEED USE THIS AREA AS A BASE. AND OFF-CAMERA, ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS WHO HELPED CLEAR BODIES OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE RUBBLE TOLD US THAT HE BELIEVES THAT UP TO 30 OR EVEN 40 UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED HERE. THERE IS AN AWFUL SMELL HERE. DID ANYBODY DIVE? -- DIE? >> I CANNOT SPEAK ON THAT SUBJECT WITHOUT PERMISSION. THIS IS A SENSITIVE QUESTION,

YOU MUST UNDERSTAND. >> A SOLDIER AND LISTED IN THE UNIT THAT HAD BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BASE TOLD NEWSHOUR THE TRUE DEATH TOLL MAY HAVE BEEN AS HIGH AS 50 PEOPLE. AND THEY BELIEVE THE CLEANING PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE MAY HAVE SUPPLIED RUSSIA WITH THE INFORMATION FOR THE SECRET FACILITY. IT IS NOT CLEAR WHY THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES SUPPRESSED NEWS OF THIS DEVASTATING STRIKE, BUT IT HIGHLIGHTS THE COUNTRY'S DESPERATE NEED FOR AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS, IN ADDITION TO THE MISSILE SYSTEMS CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED. LAST WEEK, UKRAINE'S FIRST LADY TRAVELED TO WASHINGTON TO URGE THE UNITED STATES TO DELIVER THEM. >> I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING I WOULD NEVER WANT TO ASK. I'M ASKING FOR WEAPONS. WEAPONS THAT WOULD NOT BE USED TO WAGE A WAR ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND, BUT TO PROTECT ONE'S HOME AND THE RIGHT TO WAKE UP ALIVE IN THAT HOME. I'M ASKING FOR AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS IN ORDER FOR ROCKETS NOT TO BE -- NOT TO KILL

CHILDREN. >> IT ALL SEEMS TO HAVE PROMPTED THE REGENT'S GOVERNOR -- REGION'S GOVERNOR TO MAKE THIS UNUSUAL APPEAL ON SOCIAL MEDIA THE DAY AFTER THE STRIKE. >> THE RUSSIANS ARE PAYING OUR CITIZENS TO AGREE TO HELP THEM TARGET THE STRIKES. I WILL PAY $100 TO ANYONE WHO HELPS FIND SOMEONE WHO'S ACTUALLY PROVIDING TARGETING INFORMATION. GOOD HUNTING. >> SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE WILL BE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR DEEDS WHEN THEY COORDINATE WITH RUSSIANS. AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, HE WILL JUST GET HIS MONEY. NO, HE WILL GET CRIMINAL CHARGES IN THE FUTURE. MANY PEOPLE WANT TO HELP TO FIND THE COLLABORATORS AND TRADERS BUT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT RUSSIA AND HELPING RUSSIA TARGET THEIR WEAPONS?

>> NOT MUCH PEOPLE SYMPATHIZE WITH RUSSIA, BUT EVEN ONE TRAITOR IS A BIG PROBLEM. >> MULTIPLE DEVASTATING RUSSIAN MISSILE STRIKES AGAINST TARGETS HERE FOLLOW UKRAINE'S ANNOUNCEMENT IT IS PREPARING FOR A COUNSELOR OFFENSIVE -- A COUNTEROFFENSIVE. THE GOAL IS TO TAKE THE NEARBY RUSSIAN HEALTH CITY WHICH RUSSIA CAPTURED IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE NOW FIVE-MONTH WAR. THESE UKRAINIAN POSITIONS IN THE REGION ARE JUST SEVERAL MILES FROM THE RUSSIAN FORCES THAT SWEPT THROUGH UKRAINE'S SOUTHEAST IN EARLY MARCH. LIES JUST BEYOND THESE LINES. IT IS THE ONLY REGIONAL CAPITAL RUSSIA MANAGED TO CAPTURE SINCE IT LAUNCHED ITS SO-CALLED MILITARY OPERATION AGAINST UKRAINE TO DATE. UKRAINE'S TOP MILITARY BRASS SAY THAT SINCE THE U.S. AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE SUPPLIED HIGH PRECISION MISSILE SYSTEMS A FEW WEEKS AGO, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STABILIZE THE FRONTLINE AND

SLOW THE RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE. NOW THEY ARE PREPARING FOR A COUNTERATTACK TO ATTEMPT TO RETAKE SOME OF THE TERRITORIES IN SOUTHERN UKRAINE THAT HAVE BEEN HELD BY RUSSIA SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE FULL-SCALE WAR. UKRAINE HAS BOASTED ITS NEW MEDIUM-RANGE WEAPONRY SUCH AS THE AMERICAN HIGH MOBILITY ROCKET SYSTEM HAS SEVERELY LIMITED RUSSIA'S ABILITY TO SUPPLY ITS FORWARD OPERATING TROOPS BECAUSE IT MADE IT POSSIBLE TO HIT AMMUNITION DUMPS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY OUT OF REACH. UKRAINIAN TROOPS IN THE THEATER OF OPERATIONS TOLD NEWSHOUR THIS HAS TRANSLATED INTO FEWER CASUALTIES ON THE FRONT LINES. >> AFTER IT STARTED RUINING THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION'S PLANS, THEY HAVE A LOT LESS AMMUNITION. THE UPSHOT FOR US IS FEWER INJURIES. >> THE U.S. IS APPLYING ABOUT A DOZEN TO UKRAINE. BRITAIN, NORWAY AND GERMANY HAVE SAID THEY WILL SEND A TOTAL OF

NINE SIMILAR ROCKET LAUNCHERS. FURTHER BACK FROM THE FRONT LINES, IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE. RUSSIA HAS RESPONDED TO UKRAINE'S NEW CABILITIES BY STEPPING UP THE USE OF ITS OWN LONG-RANGE WEAPONS TO TARGET UKRAINIAN SUPPLY DUMPS AND MILITARY BASES IN UKRAINIAN CITIES. JUST IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, RUSSIA HASAUNCHED 129 MISSILES OF VARIOUS DESIGNS IN THE REGION ALONE. OVER THE WEEKEND, UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT CONDEMNED THE RUSSIAN MISSILE STRIKE ON THE PORT OF ODESSA WHICH TOOK PLACE HOURS AFTER MOSCOW SIGNED A DEAL TO LIFT A BLOCKADE AND ALLOW GRAIN EXPORTS FROM UKRAINIAN PORTS. >> FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE REGION, THE OCCUPIERS TRY TO GAIN A FOOTHOLD. THE ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE ARE ADVANCING STEP-BY-STEP.

TODAY'S RUSSIAN MISSILE ATTACK ON ODESSA IS A CYNICAL ONE AND IT WAS ALSO A BLOW TO THE POLITICAL POSITIONS OF RUSSIA ITSELF. >> HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH DESCRIBED THE SOUTHERN REGIONS OCCUPIED BY RUSSIA AS AN ABYSS OF FEAR AND WILD LAWLESSNESS. IN A REPORT PUBLISHED LAST WEEK, IT DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS OF TORTURE, UNLAWFUL DETENTIONS AND FORCED DISAPPEARANCES. FOR THIS REASON, UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT HAS URGED HIS MILITARY TO RAMP UP ITS COUNTEROFFENSIVE IN THE SOUTH, ACCORDING TO AN ADVISOR OF THE PRESIDENT. >> THE PRESIDENT IS VERY CLEAR WITH THIS AROUND MANY UKRAINIANS THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO BE EVACUATED. THESE PEOPLE ARE LIKE HOSTAGES NOW IF WE LET RUSSIAN OCCUPANTS TO KEEP THIS TERRITORY UNDER THEIR CONTROL. IT WILL LET RUSSIANS MAKE ROOTS DEEPER, RUSSIAN CURRENCY, LAWS, HISTORY, SCHOOL PROGRAMS, MONEY.

EVERYTHING CAN BE CHANGED. THAT IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVE MORE WEAPONS AND HAVE THIS OPERATION STARTED. >> UKRAINE PREDICTS OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS WILL BE DIFFICULT TO WAGE IN WINTER AND IS URGING ITS ALLIES TO PROVIDE MORE WEAPONS NOW BEFORE RUSSIA IS ABLE TO SOLIDIFY ITS SUBSTANTIAL GAINS. FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M SIMON OSTROVSKY IN UKRAINE. ♪ JUDY: AFTER THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE, LAWMAKERS ON CAPITOL HILL BEGAN WORK TO SHORE UP OTHER RIGHTS THAT COULD COME UNDER SCRUTINY. DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN WORKING TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT UPHOLDS PROTECTIONS FOR SAME-SEX AND INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE. DEMOCRATIC SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN TAMMY BALDWIN IS LEADING THE EFFORT TO GET HER REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ON BOARD.

SHE JOINS ME NOW. WELCOME BACK TO THE NEWSHOUR. WE ARE HEARING PEOPLE ASK THIS IS NOT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, IT IS NOT SOMETHING UNDER THREAT RIGHT NOW, SO WHY IS THIS LEGISLATION NEEDED? SEN. BALDWIN: I THINK IT IS VERY MUCH UNDER THREAT. NOT ONLY DID ONE OF THE JUSTICES ENCOURAGE HIS COLLEAGUES TO REVISIT THE CASE WHICH CREATED MARRIAGE EQUALITY, BUT THE MAJORITY OPINION ITSELF REALLY PUT INTO QUESTION THE LEGAL REASONING THAT RESULTED IN THE LOVING VERSUS VIRGINIA CASE, THE CONTRACEPTIVE ACCESS CASES OVER TIME, AND MORE RECENTLY OBERGEFELL. I KNOW THAT MY CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE IN MARRIAGES AFTER OBERGFELL MADE THEM LEGAL ARE

VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE CTAINTY THAT THEY CAN PROTECT THEIR FAMILIES WITH THE RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE CONFERS ON THEM. JUDY: WHAT DOES THE LANDSCAPE LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW? 50 DEMOCRATS, WE ASSUME THEY ARE ALL ON BOARD? FIVE REPUBLICANS, IT HAS BEEN REPORTED. YOU HAVE 55 VOTES, IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE? SEN. BALDWIN: I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS, AND CERTAINLY, I AM WORKING WITH A TEAM OF FOLKS INCLUDING THE FIVE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE VOICED THEIR SUPPORT TO REACH OUT AND IDENTIFY OTHERS. I HAVE SOME -- HAD CONVERSATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN PRIVATE ASSURANCES THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT IT IF IT COMES FOR A VOTE, BUT ARE NOT WILLING TO GO PUBLIC FIRST. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE VOTES, MAYBE WITH A COMFORTABLE MARGIN EVEN BEYOND THE 10.

WE ALSO, I HAVE TO MENTION AS AN ASIDE, RIGHT NOW COVID IS THE BIG ENEMY. WE HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR COLLEAGUES THAT ARE OUT WITH COVID AND WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYONE PRESENT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS AND SEVERAL OTHER CRITICAL ISSUES WHERE THE VOTES WILL BE REALLY TIGHT. JUDY: WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS REPUBLICANS ARE MAKING TO YOU ABOUT WHY THEY CAN'T SUPPORT THIS? AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BACK TO THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND? SEN. BALDWIN: SEVERAL DIFFERENT CAMPS. YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SUPPORT IT, WHO ARE EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ABOUT THAT. I KEEP SAYING IF YOUUPPORT MARRIAGE EQUALITY, YOU REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE THE ASSURANCE THAT SHOULD OBERGFELL BE OVERTURNED, THAT WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE MARRIAGE USING THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT CLAUSE OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. THAT SAID, SOME DON'T FEEL LIKE THE THREAT IS IMMINENT AND THEY ARE SAYING WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL

A FURTHER POINT IN TIME BEFORE SECURING THESE RIGHTS. I JUST HAVE TO SAY PROVIDING THE CERTAINTY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THE ABILITY TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY THROUGH THE LEGAL MEANS THAT A COMPANY MARRIAGE IS CRITICAL TO FOLKS. THEN, LASTLY, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE MARRIAGE EQUALITY, AND EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOW THE LAW OF THE LAND, HAVE VOICED THAT THEY WANT TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT VIEW EVEN THOUGH OBERGFELL THIS CURRENTLY THE LAW OF THE LAND. JUDY: HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS IT MAKING, DO YOU FIND, WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH SENATORS WHO ARE NOT SURE THEY WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, BUT THEY KNOW SOMEONE OR HAVE SOMEONE IN THEIR FAMILY WHO WAS INVOLVED IN EITHER A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE OR SAME SEX RELATIONSHIP? SEN. BALDWIN: IN MY CONVERSATIONS, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A VERY POWERFUL ISSUE.

IN THE YEARS SINCE MARRIAGE EQUALITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND, MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES PROBABLY NOW HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER, A LOVED ONE, A NEIGHBOR, A FELLOW CONGREGANT AT THEIR CHURCH, SOMEBODY THEY KNOW, A COWORKER, STAFF MEMBER, WHO WAS IMPACTED POSITIVELY BY MARRIAGE EQUALITY. AND I THINK IT DOES REALLY HELP MY COLLEAGUES LOOK AT THIS, KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE TO FACE THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AFTER THAT VOTE. SO, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT WE HAVE SEEN SUCH PROGRESS SINCE THESE QUESTIONS CAME BEFORE THE CONGRESS IN THE LAST DECADES. CERTAINLY THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THE ACCEPTANCE OF MARRIAGE EQUALITY, THE BELIEF THAT ONE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MARRY AND PROTECT THE PERSON THEY LOVE IS ALMOST OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED. JUDY: WE ARE CERTAINLY WATCHING

THIS AS IT MOVES ALONG. SENATOR TAMMY BALDWIN OF WISCONSIN, THANK YOU. SEN. BALDWIN: THANK YOU. ♪ JUDY: HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI'S PLAN TO VISIT TAIWAN HAS CREATED A STIR IN BOTH BEIJING AND WASHINGTON. CHINA HAS WARNED OF SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES IF PELOSI VISITS THE SELF-GOVERNING ISLAND NATION THAT CHINA CLAIMS AS ITS OWN TERRITORY. IF SHE GOES THROUGH WITH HER PLANS, PELOSI WOULD BE THE HIGHEST-RANKING U.S. OFFICIAL TO VISIT TAIWAN IN OVER 25 YEARS. THIS AT A TIME WHEN U.S.-CHINA RELATIONS ARE ON SHAKY GROUND, THE WHITE HOUSE IS ALSO EXPRESSING CONCERN. AMNA NAWAZ HAS THE STORY. AMNA: A CITY AT A STANDSTILL AS AIR RAID SIRENS ECHOED THROUGH THE EMPTY STREETS OF TAIPEI. THE DRILLS WERE LONG-PLANNED, PREPARING FOR A POTENTIAL CHINESE INVASION.

BUT, THEY COME AS TAIWAN ALSO PREPARES FOR A POTENTIAL VISIT BY U.S. HOUSE EAKER NANCY PELOSI. NEWS MET WITH A STERN WARNING FROM CHINESE OFFICIALS. >> SUPPOSE THE U.S. SIDE CLINGS OBSTINATELY TO ITS MISCONDUCT, CHINA IS BOUND TO TAKE RESOLUTE AND POWERFUL MEASURES TO SAFEGUARD ITS NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY. ALL CONSEQUENCES ENTAILED FROM THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETELY BORNE BY THE UNITED STATES. AMNA: WHEN ASKED ABOUT A POSSIBLE PELOSI VISIT LAST WEEK, PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE. >> THE MILITARY THINKS IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF IT IS. AMNA: PELOSI, A STAUNCH CHINA CRITIC AND VOCAL TAIWAN SUPPORTER, WAS ASKED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S REMARKS THE FOLLOWING DAY. >> THE INFERENCE TO DRAW FROM YOUR COMMENT IS THAT MY GOING THERE IS PROBLEMATIC, I THINK WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS SAYING IS THAT MAYBE THE MILITARY WAS AFRAID OUR PLANE WOULD GET SHOT DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BY THE CHINESE?

AMNA: TO DATE, HER OFFICE HAS NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED OR DENIED A POSSIBLE TRIP. COMMUNIST CHINA HAS NEVER CONTLLED DEMOCRATIC TAIWAN AND CONSIDERS IT A BREAKAWAY PROVINCE. BEIJING OPPOSES OFFICIAL RELATIONS BETWEEN TAIPEI AND WASHINGTON. TAIWAN LIES JUST 100 MILES OFF THE COAST OF CHINA, AND CONTROLS ISLANDS NEAR THE MAINLAND. AND SINCE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE IN FEBRUARY,AIWAN FEARS THAT CHINA COULD FOLLOW SUIT. PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS REPEATEDLY SAID THE U.S. WOULD RESPOND MILITARILY IF CHINA ATTACKED TAIWAN. >> ARE YOU WILLING TO GET INVOLVED MILITARILY TO DEFEND TAIWAN IF IT COMES TO THAT? >> YES. >> YOU ARE? >> THAT'S THE COMMITMENT WE MADE. AMNA: BUT THAT GOES FURTHER THAN EXISTI U.S. POLICY. THE TAIWAN RELATIONS ACT SAYS AMERICA WILL ENABLE TAIWAN TO DEFEND ITSELF. THIS WEEK'S ANNUAL TAIWANESE MILITARY DRILLS INVOLVING NAVAL VESSELS, FIGHTERS JETS, AND OVERSEEN BY PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN CAME AS CHINA HAS DIALED UP MILITARY ACTIVITY AROUND

TAIWAN. INUNE, CHINESE DEFENSE MINISTER WEI FENGHE PLEDD TO CRUSH ANY INDEPENDENCE EFFORT BY TAIWAN AND ISSUED THIS MESSAGE TO THE U.S. >> IF SOMEONE FORCES A WAR ON CHINA, THE PLA WILL NOT FLINCH. AMNA: SHOULD SPEAKER PELOSI VISIT, SHE WOULD BE THE HIGHEST-RANKING U.S. OFFICIAL TO VISIT TAIWAN SINCE 1997. FOR MORE ON THIS, WE GET TWO VIEWS. SUSAN SHIRK IS THE CHAIR OF THE 21ST CENTURY CHINA CENTER AT UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO. SHE WAS DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EAST ASIA AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. AND DANIEL BLUMENTHAL IS A RESIDENT FELLOW AT THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE. HE WAS SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR CHINA, TAIWAN, AND MONGOLIA AT THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT DURING THE GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATION. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SUSAN, YOU HAVE SAID YOU DON'T THINK SPEAKER PELOSI SHOULD GO TO TAIWAN.

WHY IS THAT? WHAT ARE THE RISKS IF SHE DOES GO? SUSAN: I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT. I'M LOSING SLEEP ABOUT IT. WORRYING THAT IT MIGHT SPARK A MILITARY CSIS THAT WOULD THREATEN TAIWAN'S 23 MILLION PEOPLE AND COULD VERY WELL DRAW IN U.S. FORCES. WHY IS IT SO RISKY? IT IS BECAUSE OF THE DOMESTIC SITUATION IN CHINA RIGHT NOW WHICH IS EXTREMELY TENSE. IN THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE 20TH PARTY CONGRESS WHEN XI JINPING HOPES TO GET AN UNPRECEDENTED THIRD TERM. AND WHEN THE PARTY ELITE IS GATHERING HAPPY SUMMER RETREAT -- GATHERING AT THE SUMMER RETREAT. THE RISK IS THAT A VISIT BY SPEAKER PELOSI WOULD BE VIEWED AS A HUMILIATION OF XI JINPING'S LEADERSHIP, INCLUDING BY HIM HIMSELF.

AMNA: LET ME BRING IN DAN. DO YOU SHARE SUSAN'S CONCERN? COULD THIS PROVOKE SOME KIND OF RESPONSE FROM CHINA? IT IS UNUSUAL FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO CITE TH MILITARY IN SAYING THAT IS WHY HE BELIEVES IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW. DAN: IT UNFORTUNATE THAT HE MADE THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE HOUSE AND SENATE ARE DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, AND SPEAKER PELOSI HAS EVERY RIGHT TO VISIT. PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE -- SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE OPTION OPEN WHICH IS TO TELL THE TRUTH TO CHINA WHICH HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT SPEAKER PELOSI DOES. I DO NOT AGREE. I THINK SHE SHOULD GO, SHE HAS TO GO AT THIS POINT. I THINK ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT WOULD JUST INVOICE -- INVITE MORE INTIMIDATION, BULLYING. THERE'S NEVER A GOOD TIME. THE REASON WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS DEBATE IS BECAUSE XI JINPING AND HIS PLA HAVE BEEN

STEPPING UP THEIR COERCION OF TAIWAN, TRYING TO W INTIMIDATE TAIWAN. AMNA: IF SHE DOESN'T GO, DOES IT LOOK LIKE SHE'S GIVING INTO CHINESE INTIMIDATION? WHAT MESSAGE WOULD THAT SEND? SUSAN: I THINK IT WOULD INDICATE THAT WE ARE BEING PRUDENT. AND THAT, SURE, EVERYONE WANTS TO STAND UP AGAINST XI JINPING'S CHINA NOW. BUT, GIVEN THE MISJUDGMENT THAT XI HIMSELF HAS MADE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SUCH AS HIS DRACONIAN APPROACH TO COVID, CRACKING DOWN ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR, ALIGNING WITH RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. WE CANNOT BE CONFIDENT HE'S GOING TO BEHAVE IN A PRUDENT MANNER. AND HE COULD REALLY LAUNCH SOME KIND OF SERIOUS MILITARY RESPONSE AGAINST TAIWAN. SO, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO

BEHAVE PRUDENTLY. SPEAKER PELOSI SHOULD MAKE CLEAR, THAT THIS IS HER DECISION, IT IS NOT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECISIONECAUSE, OF COURSE, THERE E GOING TO BE A LOT OF DOMESTIC POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES IN THE U.S. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM REPUBLICANS AND SOME DEMOCRATS THAT BIDEN IS CAVING INTO CHINA JUST AS WE HEARD. I THINK SHE NEEDS TO TAKE THIS ON HERSELF. OF COURSE, SHE'S THE DEMOCRATIC SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. SHE WANTS THE DEMOCRATS TO DO WELL IN THE MIDTERM AND IN 2024. SO, THIS IS A TIME TO JUST POSTPONE. DON'T SAY YOU ARE NOT GOING, SIMPLY SAY TIMING IS NOT RIGHT FOR ME, I AM NOT GOING. AMNA: DAN, WHAT ABOUT THAT?

GIVEN DOMESTIC PRESSURE AND THE UNPREDICTABILITY,'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU SHARE IN THE RESPONSE FROM CHINA. IS THERE MERIT TO POSTPONE THE TRIP? DAN: THERE IS NO MERIT TO IT. IF IT WAS DONE NOW GIVEN WHAT LEAKED OUT, NO SPIN WOULD FIX THE FACT THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A CLIMB DOWN, THAT WE ARE GIVING INTO CHINA'S INCREASED RHETORIC, BULLYING. NOTHING COULD INVITE MORE INTIMIDATION, MORE BULLYING, MORE INTERFERENCE INTO OUR OWN DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES THEN THAT SORT OF ACTION. IN FACT, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIPARTISAN ISSUE, I THINK THE SPEAKER MIGHT BE WELL SERVED TO TAKE A LOT OF HIGH-RANKING REPUBLICANS. THERE IS GREAT BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THIS. CHINA IS TRYING TO REDEFINE THE ONE CHINA POLICY AND WE CANNOT LET THEM DO THAT. WE HAVE A ONE CHINA POLICY WHICH IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE ONE CHINA POLICY. EVERY DAY IT INTRUDES UPON TAIWAN'S AIR DEFENSE ZONES,

EVERYDAY THAT IT CLAIMS THE WATER AROUND IT IS SOVEREIGN TERRITORY IS A DAY THAT IT IS COURSING -- IT IS COURSING TAIWAN. IT IS A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION OF THE TAIWAN ISSUE AND IT IS VIOLATING THOSE FUNDAMENTAL AGREEMENTS. WE ARE NOT CHANGING POLICY. SPEAKER PELOSI'S POLICY WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH YEARS OF PRECEDENT. AMNA: ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT HER TRIP WOULD NOT PROVOKE ANY KIND OF ESCALATION FROM CHINA? DAN: CHINA IS LOOKING TO ESCALATE WHETHER SHE GOES OR NOT. IT WOULD PROBABLY LEAD TO CHINA CLAIMING THE AIRSPACE OVER TAIWAN, DOING THINGS OF THAT NATURE, FLYING OVER TAIWAN FOR THE FIRST TIME. THAT SORT OF THING. CHINA WILL ESCALATE. CHINA'S INCREMENTAL CREEPING ESCALATION, ITS CREEPING UNDERMINING OF TAIWAN SOVEREIGNTY WILL CONTINUE WHETR SHE GOES OR NOT. IF SHE GOES, I THINK WE WILL BE

IN A BETTER POSITION TO STAND UP TO THIS BULLYING. AMNA: WE WILL BE FOLLOWING FOR SURE. THE TRIP HAS NOT BEENONFIRMED OR DENIED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SUSAN AND DAN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ♪ JUDY: AS WE REPORTED EARLIER, RUSSIA ANNOUNCED THAT IT PLANS TO PULL OUT OF THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION AFTER THE YEAR 2024 WHEN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT IS SET TO EXPIRE. THIS HAS RAISED CONCERNS OVER WHAT IT COULD MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE STATION, AND FOR NASA, OF COURSE. OUR SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT MILES O'BRIEN IS HERE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. DO WE THINK THE RUSSIANS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS? MILES: IT IS HARD TO SAY. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BLUSTER COMING OUT OF THE RUSSIAN SPACE PROGRAM SINCE THE INVASION OF UKRAINE. LOTS OF TRASH TALK AGAINST NASA

AND THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE TALK -- SPACE STATION. THIS TIME, I KNEW DIRECTOR OF THE RUSSIAN SPACE AGENCY WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN HIMSELF SAYING RUSSIA DECIDED TO LEAVE THE SPACE STATION PARTNERSHIP AFTER 2024. THAT HAD A LITTLE MORE DEFINITIVE FEEL TO IT, BUT IT IS WORTH POINTING OUT THAT THE CONTRACT FOR THE ENTIRE SPACE STATION DOES EXPIRE IN 2024. NASA WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT FLYING UNTIL 2030, SO THERE MIGHT BE A HINT OF REALITY IN ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN THE CONTRACT EXPIRES. JUDY: IF THIS HAPPENS, IF IT IS REAL, HOW WOULD IT TECHNICALLY TAKE PLACE? WOULD THEY SIMPLY DISENGAGE FROM THE SPACE STATION OR WHAT? MILES: IT IS NOT SO SIMPLE. IT IS AN EXTREMELY COMPLEX, INTERTWINED CONNECTION. IT IS NOT LIKE LOOSENING FOR BOLTS AND OFF GO THE RUSSIANS. IT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL SPACEWALKS. A LOT OF THE MODULES ARE VERY OLD. ONE OF THEM, THE OLDEST WAS

ACTUALLY PURCHASED BY THE U.S. SO IT IS ACTUALLY U.S. PROPERTY, FURTHER COMPLICATING THINGS. I SUPPOSE THEY COULD CLOSE THE HATCH AND REMOVE ALL THE AIR, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IT IS UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT. JUDY: SO, IF THEY ARE NO LONGER PRESENT AND PART OF THE SPACE STATION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR WHAT IS LEFT OF THIS STATION? MILES: WELL, THERE'S TECHNOLOGICAL INTERDEPENDENCE. THE RUSSIAN SIDE PROVIDES PROPULSION. IT IS WHAT LOFTS THE SPACE STATION AND KEEPS IT FROM FALLING DOWN. EVEN THOUGH IT IS 250 MILES ABOVE US IN SPACE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ATMOSPHERE THAT PUTS DRAG ON IT AND YOU HAVE TO BOOST IT EVERY NOW AND THEN. THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT WITH A SPACE TUG ON THEIR SIDE OF THE MODULES. THE U.S. PRODUCES ALL THE ELECTRICAL POWER WHICH WOULD LIMIT THE ABILITY OF THE

RUSSIANS TO OPERATE THEIR MODULES ON THEIR OWN. THEY ARE VERY INTERTWINED. JUDY: IF THE RUSSIANS WERE NO LONGER TAKING PART IN THIS, WHAT COULD THE ALTERNATIVE BE? WHAT ELSE COULD THE U.S. -- WHAT COULD ELSE BE USED? MILES: SPACEX AND NORTHROP GRUMMAN WHICH EACH HAVE CRAFT THAT FLY TO THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO TURN A DRAGON OR A SPACECRAFT INTO A TINKER WITH A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA FUEL TO PROVIDE THAT PROPULSION I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S TIME TO DEVELOP THIS BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AFTER 2024 A FTER ALL. I'M CONFIDENT THEY WILL COME UP WITH A WAY. MILES: WHAT ABOUT THE RUSSIANS? JUDY: WHERE WILL THIS LEAVE THEIR SPACE PROGRAM IF THEY LEFT THSPACE STATION? MILES: IT IS INTERESTING. THEY REALLY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING YET ANOTHER SPACE STATION. THEY THINK THEY HAVE A PIECE ON THE GROUND. THE FUNDING HAS BEEN VERY

LIMITED. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THEY WILL MAYBE PARTNER WITH THE CHINESE, BUT THE THING ABOUT THE CHINESE THIS THEIR SPACE STATION IS IN AN ORBITAL INCLINATION WHICH THE RUSSIANS CANNOT PHYSICALLY GET TO FROM WHERE THEY LAUNCH FROM. A LITTLE BIT OF ORBITAL MECHANICS BUT SUFFERS THE SAME, THEY CANNOT REACH THE CHINESE SPACE STATION. THE CHINESE HAVE SHOWN NO INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH ANYBODY. THEY I THINK ARE ENJOYING PROVING THEY ARE A SPACE POWER ON THEIR OWN. JUDY: IN THE MEANTIME, AS WE WAIT FOR 2024, WHAT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AMERICANS AND THE RUSSIANS? IS THERE TENSION THERE AND ARE THERE ANY SAFETY ISSUES? MILES: IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE AT THE BENCH LEVEL, SO TO SPEAK, COSMONTS, ASTRONAUTS, ENGINEERS, IT HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN BUSINESS AS USUAL. A U.S. ASTRONAUT ONBOARD THE SPACE STATIONHEN TOLD ABOUT THIS LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT SAID WE'RE JUST DOING WHAT WE DO HERE EVERY DAY.

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