1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-05-24; Part 4 of 5

my american express card speaking of this or did you receive any expenses for the us to people who went to got to california or any expenses well again and for years to come to washington well like i said in the california operation for the best of my recollection this these expenses after we got to california and i was sent we begin in miami this differs from other operations and i believe that the best of my recollection in the washington operation i had been giving amount of money previously by mr hunt and i want to slip the stomach you some agency and about tickets before but how much were you given by a master plan i remember when i

was in california any money did you buy the tickets for mr martinez and a day off and the other people came in from miami and washington out of europe with your might express card michael believes these cases all these expenses came out of the operational money for the accounting which it i would do with this for fun at the time and senator al cubbage going to do that and people who we believe that this seems strange when you are doing a great operation all for expenses are clear about what people get taken care of and then they have forgotten about that you don't think

about that and you don't remember them you don't specify them except that they're trying to give an accounting i remember the exact detail after two years which was the operation where the money was given because i cannot i cannot recall a question i'm asking you is did mr hunt give you any money for yourself on each other people prior to going to california or prior to coming to washington dc in the case of california i have that that's my recollection i was given only minor indignities of the trip in washington i believe that was written out of money and i cannot remember what amount was given to me because in those particular cases when we came to washington this is so money was a larger number of people involved and i dont remember now it must

continue who he was working for at the time yes at the time mr hunt was a cult horror at the white eye on one occasion i remembered that i had that was the second building and went home and you mentioned the internal security aspects of the overpaid and it was with that motivation that you get into that out what that he mentioned to you about the you know democratic national committee headquarters on the mcgovern headquarters other then that the simple objective of going in there to find out what the foreign governments have made contributions to either the democratic national committee or to rest i was an electrician well

when you mention to you that the reason that he wanted to go into the democratic national committee was to find out whether or not that great and that was your assignment to look at the documents as you went in and therefore daniel martinez to follow as you give them the documents with a little apartment that right now us dated in response to senator baker's question that you found no evidence in the documents that you stole how many contributions to the mcgovern campaign part of the democratic national committee and many foreign governments and still you pursued the photography you know that is correct why did you because that back it means that i can cover and that i read included

names of prisoners in any one particular case there was a series of locations and another document they have a name and a foreign company knows are all connected as being something very instrumental with respect to internal security oh i don't understand that question the documents that i photograph i had photographed were only photograph of the reasons that i believe at that time was the judgment as to what i have explained i have stated that it was evident that kind of information we wish it was not available at that office so it is that the best i could of the circumstances

as a matter fact mr parker the general purpose of political espionage and not internal security oh he's great in the subsequent events would you agree with me now that it was in fact political espionage i would respectfully disagree with that quietly in the reason because my motivation was that we try and while all that was no there's no reason not to change that motivation for i know that is going to implement the white house is not what led to to believe that because mr hunt was working at the

white house that this was a covert operation under cia ol blister in the staging that i call this was a covert operation firstly it i had never stated that this was a covert cia cia operation i have stated here that could not be cia operations says it was a national security matter and the reason that i'm building the world's first my previous associations with him as the highest representative in the pay of the fact that he was at this time a member of the that had the white house i have no reason to think that anything else in this matter what we're told by the cia which provided a technical way operation

up during his operation used the apartment that was evident this week i used by the cia that is the documents that he had to be and he had gotten me at the time that was obtained from cia but there's three national security it was about the act of the best of my knowledge and that is going through what my thinking was two things that was that when you had a meeting with them is to hunt thirty hamilton major hotel in washington dc preliminary going over to the watergate

operation did you at any time he mentioned in the government orders and the democratic national committee asked him if any specific questions as to what the entry into these two places would have with that what relevance it would have with internal security no i never asked you think about it just speculating own mind about it at that time in places i had no reason to speculate on these matters and i see no reason to change his at the time i mean please write what you know and now going into a political party

offices be construed as a paramilitary operation now by one stretch of the imagination to respect an operation is that the procedure that was used now it's still your opinion that what you'd been worse in the interest of national security i am confused by all the information but i see no reason to keep them the nature of the assignment as what do

you make you ready the law i think i think anything beyond this now there's no place in the eu

i have to find you i mean thank you it has been and so in one year

using for our purposes is true that you have some yes sure i think it is only fair before i leave here to say anything away the thing i mean a man of whom i am very proud to have been associated with the mainly i am speaking to them my three associates for miami i think i had given a

general description of mr martinez is only throughout the state that mr frank sturgis who was frankly rainy is an icon as fighter well who is was fought against dictatorship not only a right that he was the first person to defend against castro after helping him with his revolution but he is meeting tomorrow rates over cuba that he had been captured at hungary's government by hundreds of a kind of the great cuban that mr gonzales was a member of the only opening session of the week with an extensive background in the underground in

cuba that all the men are devoted family man and feel very deeply and i have been here as a freshman but as a party and that it would be unfair that these men were considered in anything but in the tribe which of the things that they believe in that we all outside of reprimands of my in some cases of the theory need for having acted in in in these matters for years before being with a simple traffic violations that we're not that the words recently said we are the world all of those were going

to live with we reject the word there was no need to we're not for sale and i'm feeling like that i don't mean that they were not before of health effects police believe that it is that's the first round of

testimony barra bonobo a locker as usual committee reserves the right to recall the witnesses the next witness is often see baldwin a third former fbi agent from the motel across the street we'd like to thank those of you more than twenty five thousand have taken the trouble to write as to express your opinions and these kind of experimental coverage of these hearings if any of you would still like to write us and that will affect our decisions on whether to do this kind of coverage in the future you can do so by dropping an ode to impact bach's three hundred washington dc to oh four four our coverage of the guns will continue on average coverage of these hearings is provided as a public service by the member stations of pbs the public broadcasting service oh yes and black continues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee

on presidential campaign activities here again correspondent robert mcneil the hearings continue with testimony from alfred see baldwin the third he says he hoped that doing a good job on his intelligence operations might win him a permanent job in the white house this week all right

many users robert siegel and her nine month in new jersey north haven connecticut we use email address or in connecticut or six five one seven i understand that the witnesses a short statement or even that i would like to work with want to make a part of the record my understanding of my status as torrid affair i wish to read the following memorandum into the record at this time

this memorandum was a memorandum prepared by my attorney robert rydell i don't know modify our conceive on the third straight nine seven six seventy two four forty am on seventh nineteen seventy two roberts singer bass player jay terms of radius where attorneys known to the government to be representing elephants evolve together i suspect in the war against them camel and see more lands are united states attorneys and are presented to us to be an assistant united states attorney attorney general and the watergate incident a meeting was held at the united states district court house on the morning a seventy five seventy two by which time it was represented to us by the government that baldwin would not be a

defendant in the watergate matter if he cooperated the government journey stated that if they were satisfied with ballance information he would not be indicted negotiations seized a twelve thirty pm so that'll gradient i could talk of all five forty five pm we notify the government the ball would cooperate you got to fight through photographs from a photographic spread and generally told of his watergate knowledge he was again told as we were he would not he would be a witness not a defendant he and o'grady and i relied on this representation by the government and plans were made for formal statements in the future the conference tournaments and forty pm at the last show of conference were camel plans or silver fbi agents land so and the kennan o'grady baldwin and two or three other person's not known to me by name the miners soon to be

courageous for members of the staff assistant united states attorneys handling this matter sign robert zimmerman they did in the war left hand corner seven six seventy two for thirty six pm and then right below that this is an accurate count of the happenings of seven five seventy to united states did the courthouse running thirty six and i'm robert siegel that promise today as i testified here and from the very beginning of my decision to cooperate on june twenty fifth to now i've attempted to tell truth of this incident to the government i believe that as i do now there's only one government and i have talked to flee to the united states attorney as a religious committee i do not regret this decision although my life was that timeshare i cannot now find employment and i have been without funds my family has been squeezed i believe since i was working

attorney general and white house officials would not question to do what i was asked to do now is now i regret only that decision regardless of this question not follow through with my commitment to telegram and the american people the truth is when the witness read the first part of the record my understanding was that is really falling into the river we are losing that i am still relying on that promise today what on the promise of united states attorneys and if i cooperate i would be a witness not a defendant you can save them is yours to witness before committee of the united states senate

has the morning give us fuel an attack have immunity from prosecution by reason number the us there is there's been greatly reduced we are that's when you understand my position is what

your position is that they would make you and that is the reason why low numbers as chairman of the wider has had an opportunity to interview with this what was on more than one occasion from connecticut and i've recommended i don't recall that it was during the first conversation subsequent conversation following

a burrito media and my resume from the society of ex fbi agents in new york city and he didn't want to have explicit details said it was a matter of urgency that if it was possible to come to watch and were you like interviewing he created basically informing that it would involve security work for the committee to reelect the president and that particular time in specific some services with this is martin white of the attorney general on the following morning that's right

yes i was larry tye mr hoover had passed away that morning and was some confusion committee really reporters report was the fact that this is that you would be departing bad day for a trip to the midwest for possibly two hours or so it was a determined whether or not she would make a trip after it was determined that she would just record then took me to the office of mr moreau but he stayed i was determined that this match would make sure i was taken to the opposite of the room what i was told would have the final say whether or not i was very pre interview with

mystery that lasts approximately three minutes was the decision we need money finals nice that's right

the city's new rules so you were i didn't take a position that went through the trip when i returned what she was another trip schedule

on thursday of the week we return to turn down anyone he died i believe the statue was one another trip that thursday i was told the decision had been reached yet when i would be going to keep their weapon in my position i mean to go back to connecticut to get more clothing so it stayed with me you know back to connecticut when i returned from connecticut mr mccourt it was really going on this is mitchell and it had other were forming a new and at the time he said it was a huge development yes we went downstairs of the hotel outside the barbershop that is like he says the rules also mean

i don't believe it was one hundred musicians or record mr adams i was being used mainly due to security force that was president headquarters are hundreds of people and mr mitchell offices i was taken around that shows officer different people in each one of these officers several times that question came up originally senator and the night must record telephone me because on the resume that was made with the us in society activist vigils for your report

i asked him about the star of the tournament because i imagine that there would be no sense in wasting your time my time if the incentive here is messy it would involve a matter of seventy dollars a day while and witnesses mitchell and it would be a different range when i was not working with mrs major crimes do you have any julie's the nineteen seventies as an actor that's right

what is the president's message for her seventy two august nineteen seventy two years maybe four cents that's what the purpose of expenditure and the

composite expenditures are what travel expenses for reimbursement for travel expenses incurred while witnesses mitchell regarding our expenditures ms miller coinciding with the voucher which you submitted for travel expenses attendant to sit with his vision you're right

philip welcome that's right i never received any official notification did you return to the officer gus two and was even a notification of permission or not now that's

right it really does on my return to washington i was advised that the school would be going with this as much on the trip to nebraska and this record wanted me to perform other functions in the washington dc area which would cover surveillance activity all at that time i don't believe it was any specific organization but on a day to day basis he would give the instructions were to go and what type of activity to rule on my return back i stayed at yale under smith walker from the committee headquarters mr mccourt it would likely going to move to the howard johnson's where he obtained a room and that cut down expenses i should stay at our jobs you're

welcome oh yes briefly on the activities were coming i was at a splendid conference on that friday with rene davis was doing that he wanted me to go to the news coverage to obtain any information i could oh really but he made it well and they're twenty eight and surveillance activities of these organizations and occurrences in the washington dc area that now anytime you sent to

the capitol in and that was a day after governor wallace was signed to go to the capitol rotunda where there was planned since then we'll use them to areas outside the office of the visitors in that's correct dr besser you're going to recall these areas where the two which you want them were jews or prisons in those areas going to do some great injustice to somebody represent half century were their

names i know i went to where senator kennedy's office one particular day at the capitol large number of demonstrators have been receiving senate passes to the gallery area this was also the day that the three astronauts appeared and the information circulating amongst the different security officers up there with the houses were being issued by leaving senator kennedy's office and of the nature of modern senator reid all sorts of that time and one of my phone calls to mr mccourt i buy this it want me to go to the senator's office to determine what groups were in the early at how the prices were being in another distributed police doing it updating any literature that was being handed out basically try to determine what groups were in the area of the senator's office that's not a coincidence you know

representatives from new york i believe it was the answer my transition for a comment and representative chisholm and does my recollection i don't recall mean your ears now that's correct because it's mr johnson that's correct i believe he's a gentlemen from europe to believe that possibly as one of the other gunman from your surveillance you also surveillance the

demonstrations i participated in demonstrations in the capital rep roskam that's right you write millennials news conference surveillance on the hill and a time to leave capitol hill it was a planned demonstration at the air force base the day that the president was leaving for moscow on saturday morning and just record if you're seeing those are instructions from the summit or those two years of those activities were that's correct

i didn't want to just advise anybody had a rumor but certainly when i went downstairs and asked for mayor i was told it was under the name of mccourt associates and it the desperate my name announced an e mail was received they're put in the record associates room you're not used to these days well i wasn't going to get any time i would stop by any government agency or law enforcement body regarding the weapon regarding my presence in a particular area was to do

to things and one advisor and i work for the committee to re elect the president there was insecurity i was working for the former attorney general john mitchell then as a last resort they had missed him the court's business card that said james mccord director of security committee to reelect president of telephone number just give the person the car and they would call and so on at least three or four occasions that process had to be followed or identify myself our essay for fourteen can use that to the committee in some of those occasions when you have to use these records as a means of song i have no authority to carry weapons so when i flew to connecticut i would declare the weapon and there i was flying over your lines so that every time i would find i would have to declare the weapon and

they would verify the fact they would call me the ticket agent and a manager with the office to make a call it would say they were in the gun back to me no time i was questioned by the fbi last year on the capitol hill it verified and then the day at andrews air force base i would stop it or security police and they don't call them the committee headquarters verify things i was told everything's ok on my hands of identification returned to me and i was on my way really it's true yes i was i was usually yeah it was written waiting periods and evil is it here

that's right that was lou reside in some electronic equipment in the room when i enter the room it was actually two pm in the afternoon i believe about that are in the court was in the room an operating one of the receiver units that time i didn't know what would explain that though is this is the first time you have seen electronic equipment in room four ninety this particular piece of equipment that he was working on it was the first time i had seen there and there was a piece of electronic equipment which was contained in that briefcase that had been described to me that i had previously seen at the committee to re elect the president headquarters

this was calling the border and i'm wondering if reading i have seen previous of the equipment that he was working on one end of the room i had never seen that before he was doing it this is a unit was operating in hue is fourteen trillion dollars but you know it had just driven six hours and the citizens you didn't act and relaxed all explain this and take a shower and shave and joy other individuals would be coming

security for you in your decision they would be introduced under aliases to me and i would also be interviews division a quarter don't think his personal story collection and you were because of the nature of the work were involving i'm going to use an alias for you know using this for them nobody's the us museums until just units i have used on the surveillance operation was a junior in certain individuals a script to an interesting to the room when he entered the room with a quarter million at this point interview series about polygamy and at least have the

engine and got confused because he and using these interviews news and he was introducing and i don't know the senate that point and how did we can't retract many try to reduce any of the miles they couldn't remember their first names a subtly and the fbi director seventy six that's correct the prison by returning from connecticut was to work that weakens recorded

i think it that would be you know we would have to work that we can i didn't know we were going to mcgovern headquarters and two we arrived at the scene right here we stopped device batteries sitting in the right seat as we drove by headquarters he pointed to a building he said this is what we're interested in we gonna need some other people here then he proceeded to explain that we have to find our individual one of my mentors here will be any young girls tighten keep your eyes open for the volkswagen for the message i think even less a boy and as a boy in the volkswagen show we have one of our one of our peoples inside the headquarters problem was that there was an individual standing outside of mcgovern's headquarters which was a second storey headquarters of the worst tours there was a chain across it and this individual was there as was lady approximately one or two o'clock in the early

morning hours of this record was quite upset the fact this individual standing in front of the store he had no business being a recording of this record any communication with sweeteners straight quarters into a regular car individual light from the car became an offensive mr mccourt scott oversaw was between mr mccourt and this individual was mr mcgee did you succeed in getting into the government pours and it now around this record was around it was over half hour another

factor about the hourly wages into the building as they discuss the problem of lights there was a discussion whether or not their man was still inside the civil discussions and finance committee said it will abort the mission was his turn i was instructed to monitor all telephone conversations that there were being received over these units were in the howard johnson and to make a lot of audience with anything the conversations we

have eating sections so what specifically is subject to prosecution we initially the first day it was on a yellow legal pad system a court took the actual long can copy that i have made such

quality return to the real i mean it was really like a typewriter yes we do trams right my notes and typed written for making up importing copies and original and an onion skin that's right you know recording the one incident where i was a telephone from miami and told the liberal arts to republican headquarters the committee to reelect president and pennsylvania which i did that's correct

during the roman monument was the toilets all this we can do visual surveillance isn't anybody from democratic headquarters and also like you to give me a pretext to take a tour of the democratic headquarters i didn't agree with his approach and i asked him if i could do it a different way i follow that way and i was in an e two at the democratic headquarters that day we speak as we

speak well after the tour center of the mcgovern headquarters it was obvious that mr ryan was not in the washington area and that event in miami and working in miami the democratic national committee headquarters after night to hear from the information i've received was the fact that mr obama had not been in washington for the past month or so longer than in miami and the court was quite pleased to hear this and it called for a rescheduling of the timetable because you're quite upset with the fact that i would have to make some arrangements for me to go to miami he discussed with the fact that i will be better and that i would be going to the democratic in the republican conventions but in view of this information that mr ryan was in miami this seemed to change his timetable and the rest of the week at several different points tom you would like to get me at my

identification sold up and get me down to miami some other individuals regarding lessons and it was approved i would be going to miami yes yes it is so instructions dr jason batteries little flashlight batteries in some what he called speaker wire which is where we're going to work subtly having unilateral went out it had to be easy just insane

another firearm you're so basic many enemies are also veterans together during the course of that time he made yeah to the point where it is the difficulty was a gentleman working in the democratic national committee know not until he was on the phone at one point he said we still can go over there because it's really working and i looked across and there was somebody working in the democratic headquarters he told me you know we don't know and some people left and the decision was made to go across the street

at ten pm none of the contentions mccord left the room amenities in tempe and you need to get one point to buy some equipment radio discussed or someplace they return and subsequent at it again when the year do you have any instructions he was just leaving because of ebola what you want to see anything anything on any activity that was it didn't mean any type of the reviewer

called music and tommy any type of political name extended his instructions so we is that anything you see any strangers no watches your role and also what you observed in the early morning hours of june seventeen hand spengler was on the balcony seventeen that's correct

and ensure the guard was there was a guard standing in front of the building and twenty six hundred across the wording watching this individual when a car stopped three men alive even proceeded inside headquarters i didn't really pay attention the gentleman was a lot of your head of yourself you were out and about following the general instructions as part of mr mcwhorter observe anything unusual restaurant what he taught me was inside the room that's correct are now did you hear the conversations this is prior to iran and the foreign innovations did not did you observe that you observe anything across a way that was unusual now certain way of our lights going on now nasser are did

you see any individual i believe it was just an impulse a subsequent to work around the time of the arrival of the three gentlemen i do remember observing this region and leave the car and going to that building there were three of the first thing that really struck me my mind was to get a thorough or building the lights when an entirely for it means more i'm an insight into the walking talking and not knowing whether to say you have one air base wonder how to call it is going to work and i believe it was both designation john warner i might even sent headquarters and what's the nice one to anyone that you read it and then kind of what came out of that original have what have you got my city lights this one on an entire eighth floor so we know that that's the two o'clock or check there's no video surveillance

singing out on the balcony and i know as a loyal supporter i mean six for the democratic national headquarters to extreme right because when everything went well i went back inside the walkie talkies are standing in the doorway when i observe these individuals coming out on the balcony well there were two individuals jerry russo university you're zooming across his chest your individual have a weapon out in the long line here stock sales are the michael unit again face one are you one are people in suits are they dressed casually

and are holding back our people and dressed in suits why i say when it gets in trouble because there's individuals out here are dressed casually got their guns out and it's been danny quintana the yellow ribbon it really is beginning has come and come and hold anybody there when he was an army so i went out on the balcony and i just stood there and watched these individuals as they proceed to search about a third individual also commanding officer who turned the lights on searching and that officers were three odyssey searching were you able to observe anyone else on the street below i don't work directly recalling that specific point senator pryor writes junior wealthy individuals then went into the office and proceed to the left of the building as they pass through

to the quarter light was on and the pacified areas of the story that anyone outside i didn't see him i believe it was about this time that a voice came over the unit said they got as a whisper of that they've got us and then when i leave with mr mccourt voice in the distance of saying are you gentlemen metropolitan police are some something to that effect and then another voice came out of cities to a grocery store it's always listening you know i didn't know what it was i just think yes i am as well be right or subsidize or two innovators working out between the watergate building directly across one closest to the capitol building here they cannot an alleyway

one gentleman looked up at me i was just looking and that was mr hockey he was dressed in a wind breaker when baker and believe god for sure you know john was dressed in suits and from my observation he didn't look up with and i had to believe it was just really i mean i think you see a lot of our judges will tell me they want to fund us for complex it almost directly from that one got into a car and proceed in history and certainly the car another reason i'm on my way in which was famously are strapped him into the room and freedoms of the room everything well he proceeded over and i was standing

there and i was in the military he crouched under a table just about this time that are leading to record a huge amount of police cars singing unintelligible he went to the bathroom and came out and he said i'm gonna color wonderful homelessness right there in over a number a cousin in the motel place along this is going to have to go through the desk so he dialed me as i would do it i doubt local number of direct outnumber he proceeded to tell me no intention of conversation i went back on a balcony in canada watch i get here and state i've got five thousand dollars cash on me now for bond or vail if we needed and then something to the effect of you going down or so and i don't think that that was a human that preceded him instructions what to do with the equipment

those instructions well you remember walking talking and trying to pack up everything and leave his expression was to get the hell out of here get yourself that there were even a week ago as wind old connecticut visible go and that he says will be in touch you get further instructions consequently <unk> says records the record label about that because i said borders to you know i want me why can't you drive in some way can drive you back i got to get back he says reporters and we were driving back and we're going to work nor was he was partying and use it to him as you were just as insist that i wasn't going to miami

law though you accidentally you accidentally sent memos that aspect and i was given instructions to pack up everything away mr mccourt every case was open it does what it unseemly does what he put his was always change his car keys was personal effects were on the bed since it is an insider's test seated all the logs are so

i mean are there was one hundred and one call that day i was still in the room on the large he put that with only a yellow pad it was released by the time i did i took everything it was there were very and along with that mandate insurance will be different but i haven't even for myself right for amateur into mr records briefcase and then when i realized i'd put my own personal note book in there and the yellow can proceed to remove those and i didn't stop to separate the papers i just threw them into my attach a case that when i arrived back in connecticut so i immediately wrote a letter telling him that germany's

follow me he's been in prison we think it is

thank you rolling through security at a republican convention there is supporters i don't know

these duets listen to reasonable suggestions here in des moines thank you and he says macy's

you see possession molly adams is we're going to discriminate and he considers that name jesus number one incident may be the fact that i was not a defendant in the criminal action that

proceeded this incident there also been incidents in the paper that says mitchell has treated the fact that i have stated her on different cases that i was a democrat i do have democratic friends i wouldn't deny that have been are now registered republicans inside been old enough to vote or so i don't know if that makes any difference and at the time of the trial the criminal trial in speaking out of the defendants during the course of the day is that we were wrong that the united states attorneys office the conversation was initiated on several occasions by one or two of the detectors that the only way i could have gotten away with the fact that i was a revelation there wasn't kidding back and forth most police officers and that part that to the best of my knowledge it's the only indication that i have

another the fact i've heard statements made by different individuals that i was a double agent on television and in the newspapers what was actually recorded it liza marie are you referring to that during the course of my employment and watch and more i have a date with an individual young lady that happened to work for the democratic party official of the democratic party i don't believe that would've led mr mccourt to believe that was delayed as a matter of fact he wanted me to exploit that and to obtain all the information i could obtain farmer and then i kind of refused to go that is the

use she was an employment attorney who have democratic party organization in the washington dc area and i don't mean to imply that he was an official working at the democratic national committee also he had a loss in the washington dc area and she worked for him she was going to the convention for the democratic party but we might see each other there that's correct or is

it many associate with absolutely no as a matter of fact i have three weeks to pay for the republican committee that i haven't been paid for either western wall it's just a really really nice as a tv critic i graduated from the unfair free university in nineteen fifty seven nine states marine corps memories are i entered law school in nineteen sixty upon graduation from law school and the founder investigation as a special agent i resigned from spending federal investigation that works for you circuit

court system a state of connecticut at the same time i was also struck in police science at a local university and as it does final question well senator i mean organizations worried i didn't question the legality of rationing of several factors i come down from connecticut to work for the committee to re

elect the president and that was the president's organizations aren't i was concerned mr mitchell with a new organization every individual that i was used to or that was pointed out to me i was advised this as a white house consultant is a white house aide says elections are november to go back to the white house how to do a good job here but my soul was to obtain permanent employment and some accordion again i knew that he was an ex fbi and cia based on the provisions of all these people are being questioned now to a question the legality if i'd been asked if i had entered my mind what i thought it was illegal i realize that there are wiretaps are illegal but i also realize that under certain

conditions such a wiretap in the order or authorized by a specific individuals and i felt that i was in no position to question john mitchell or anyone else under his command including us to record but it's also true that longer receive any direct order so soon especially if it came to me it was a difficult re establishing why or for being in a certain place or the fact that the weapons to mention john williams out of the trip to chicago in westchester county and with his vision of the resilient or who orders was to record and i just to finish up on me of the time sequence it was a howard johnson's on the morning early morning of his son

gets corrected and would you go to from howard johnson's i proceeded to connecticut diseases go to record home oh i assume senator you're covered the fact that i had delivered the items of equipment to mr mccourt ms mccorkle back to washington i'm in brazil are returned to connecticut and as chairman has a question i have more miserable rich after those people the information they want such a pleasure

you gave this information to the information and the wire to the committee to reelect president needed to james mccord at all times unions were stolen his briefcase so specified every single copy of the law are copies of quite a few of the conversation when his briefcase items to this record with the exception of one time when you deliver them to the energy given to a medication it was a six o'clock oh

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