PBS NewsHour; Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT

JUDY: GOOD EVENING. I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. ON THE "NEWSHOUR" TONIGHT, THE HEARINGS CONTINUE. THE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING THE CAPITOL INSURRECTION FOCUSES ON CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE VIOLENCE PERPETRATED BY THE MOBND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> THE PRESIDENT GOT EVERYBODY RILED UP, TOLD EVERYBODY TO HEAD ON DOWN. SO, WE BASICALLY WERE JUST FOLLOWING WHAT HE SAID. JUDY: THEN, THE MASSACRE'S AFTERMATH. NEW VIDEO SHOWS INACTION BY DOZENS OF POLICE OFFICERS IN UVALDE, TEXAS, DESPITE THE SHOOTING RAMPAGE THAT HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE. AND, A WINDOW INTO THE COSMOS. NASA RELEASES STUNNING NEW PHOTOS FROM THE WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE, INCLUDING NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN NEBULAS AND GALAXIES. ALL THAT AND MORE ON TONIGHT'S "PBS NEWSHOUR." ♪

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PUBLIC BROADCASTING, AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. THANK YOU. JUDY: THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON, THE SEVENTH PUBLIC MEETING, ENDED WITH A DRAMATIC REVELATION. VICE CHAIR LIZ CHENEY SAID FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP RECENTLY CALLED A WITNESS THE COMMITTEE WAS TALKING TO, AN ACTION THE COMMITTEE REFERRED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AS POTENTIAL WITNESS TAMPERING. OVER THE COURSE OF THREE HOURS, THE COMMITTEE ALSO LAID OUT IN DETAIL A SERIES OF EVENTS LEADING UP TO THE INSURRECTION ON JANUARY 6. THAT BEGAN WEEKS EARLIER IN A MID-DECEMBER WHITE HOUSE MEETING THAT ONE FORMER AIDE CALLED "UNHINGED," AS ALLIES OF THEN-PRESIDENT TRUMP REPEATED BASELESS CLAIMS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD AND URGED ACTION TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS. LATER THAT NIGHT, MR. TRUMP SENT A TWEET THAT ONE COMMITTEE MEMBER CALLED A "CALL TO ARMS" FOR HIS SUPPORTERS.

"BIG PROTEST IN D.C. ON JANUARY 6. BE THERE, WILL BE WILD!," HE WROTE. AS THE COMMITTEE SHOWED, SUPPORTERS OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF FAR-RIGHT MILITIA GROUPS, HEEDED HIS CALL. ONE PERSON EVEN PREDICTED A "RED WEDDING" -- A MASSACRE ON JANUARY 6. JASON VAN TATENHOVE, A FORMER SPOKESMAN FOR THE OATH KEEPERS, DREW THE CONNECTION AND CONCERN FOR THE FUTURE. >> IF A PRESIDENT THAT IS WILLING TO TRY TO INSTILL AND ENCOURAGE, TO WHIP UP A CIVIL WAR AMONGST HIS FOLLOWERS USING LIES AND DECEIT AND SNAKE OIL, AND REGARDLESS OF THE HUMAN IMPACT, WHAT ELSE IS HE GOING TO DO IF YOU GET SELECTED AGAIN? ALL BETS ARE OFF AT THAT POINT. JUDY: REPRESENTATIVE STEPHANIE

MURPHY OF FLORIDA READ FROM A TEXT EXCHANGE BETWEEN TWO TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISORS, ILUDING ONE-TIME CAMPAIGN MANAGER BRAD PARSCALE, WHO AFTER THE EVENTS OF JANUARY 6, BLAMED HIS FORMER BOSS. >> HE SAID, "THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP PUSHING FOR UNCERTAINTY IN OUR COUNTRY. A SITTING PRESIDENT ASKING FOR CIVIL WAR." HE SAID, " I FEEL GUILTY FOR MAKING HIM WIN. SHE RESPONDED, YOU DID WHAT YOU FELT WAS RIGHT. YEAH, BUT A WOMAN IS DEAD. IF I WAS TRUMP IN NEW MY RHETORIC KILLED SOMEONE." "IT WAS NOT THE RHETORIC." HE SAID, "YES, IT WAS." JUDY: AND FOR MORE ON WHAT WE LEARN FROM THE HEARING, I'M JOINED BY OUR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA DESJARDINS AND WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ. GOOD EVENING TO BOTH OF YOU. LISA, YOU WERE IN THE HEARING

ROOM. LET'S START BY TALKING ABOUT THAT DRAMATIC CONFRONTATION INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. IT WAS DECEMBER 2020, IT WAS ALL ABOUT WHETHER AND HOW TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION. TELL US MORE. LISA: WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE THE COMMITTEE IS GOG CHRONOLOGICALLY RIGHT UP TO JANUARY 6. THIS MOMENT HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER AFTER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ALREADY SAID THERE WAS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THERE WAS FRAUD WORTH OVERTURNING THE ELECTION. ALREADY DISMISSED WHAT THEN-PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID. LET'S TAKE YOU INSIDE WHO WAS IN THIS MEETING. FOUR PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR WERE SURPRISE GUESTS. RUDY GIULIANI, THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AT DIFFERENT TIMES. YOU SEE THREE OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING MICHAEL FLYNN. YOU ALSO SEE ALL OF THE PEOPLE THERE WHO WERE ADVISING HIM, SIDNEY POWELL INCLUDING PATRICK. THOSE FOUR PEOPLE, THE TESTIMONY TODAY, IT WAS NOT CLEAR THEY

ACTUALLY HAD BEEN INVITED AT THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY AT THE LAST MINUTE WERE ABLE TO GET INTO THE OVAL OFFICE. THEY PRESENTED CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT RAN THE GAMUT, PUSHING THE PRESIDENT TO DO THINGS LIKE DECLARE MARTIAL LAW TO SEIZE ELECTION MACHINES. ALSO COMING INTO THE OVAL OFFICE DURING THIS MEETING WERE ACTUALLY WHITE HOUSE STAFFER. THERE, YOU SEE SOME OF THEM THAT WERE INVOLVED. THE STAFF SECRETARY. MARK MEADOWS, CHIEF OF STAFF. AND THE PRESIDENT WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL. THEY WERE PUSHING BACK AT THE FOUR OTHERS IN WHAT WAS DESCRIBED IN AN EXTENSIVE MONTAGE AS A VERY HOSTILE CONFRONTATION. LET'S LISTEN TO HOW IT PLAYED OUT. >> I OPENED THE DOOR AND I WALKED IN. I SAW GENERAL FLYNN, I SAW SIDNEY POWELL SITTING THERE. I WAS NOT HAPPY TO SEE THE PEOPLE IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

>> WAS THE MEETING TENSE? >> OH, YEAH. IT WAS NOT A CASUAL MEETING. >> EXPLAIN. >> AT TIMES, THERE WERE PEOPLE SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER, HURLING INSULTS AT EACH OTHER. IT WASN'T JUST SORT OF PEOPLE SITTING AROUND ON A COUCH, LIKE CHITCHATTING. >> THEY SHOWED NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT AND DISDAIN OF THE PRESIDENT. >> IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THE SCREAMING WAS COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY OUT THERE. IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT, IT HAD BEEN A LONG DAY, WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, I THOUGHT WAS NUTS. >> I'M GOING TO CATEGORICALLY DESCRIBE IT AS YOU GUYS ARE NOT TOUGH ENOUGH. OR MAYBE, PUT IT ANOTHER WAY,

YOU'RE A BUNCH OF -- EXCUSE THE EXPRESSION. I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THE WORD WAS USED. LISA: THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A BATTLE FOR THE SOUL OF THEHITE HOUSE. AS THE HOURS LONG MEETING RAN ON AND ON, AFTER IT ENDED AROUND 1:42 IN THE MORNING CAME THE TWEET YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THE PRESIDENT ASKING PEOPLE TO COME TO JANUARY 6 FOR A WHILE PROTEST. THAT TWEET WAS SENT OUT RIGHT AFTER THAT CONTENTIOUS MEETING. JUDY: THE COMMITTEE IS CHARGING THE PRESIDENT DID MORE THAN JUST SEND OUT THAT TWEET ABOUT A WILD PROTEST. WHAT MORE ARE THEY SAYING? LISA: AS YOU GET CLOSE TO JANUARY 6, HERE IS MORE. STEVE BANNON, THE PRESIDENT'S LONGTIME ADVISOR, WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE PRESIDENT. WHITE HOUSE CALL LOGS SHOWED THE MORNING OF JANUARY 5. ALSO ON JANUARY 5, I WANT TO REMIND VIEWERS WHAT STEVE BANNON SAID ON HIS BROADCAST SHOW. LISTEN TO THIS QUOTE.

>> ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE TOMORROW. IT'S ALL CONVERGING AND NOW WE ARE ON THE POINT OF ATTACK. THE POINT OF ATTACK TOMORROW. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN LIKE YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFERENT. ALL I CAN SAY IS STRAP IN. LISA: SO, STEVE BANNON HAD SPOKEN WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE HE MADE THAT STATEMENT. HE SPOKE TO HIM AGAIN THAT EVENING. ALSO THE EVENING OF JANUARY 5, THERE WAS A RALLY DOWN THE STREET FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. ONE THAT SOME OF THE ADVISORS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS FULL OF THE CRAZIES. PEOPLE WHO HAD EXTREME VIEWS. ALSO TESTIMONY WE HEARD WAS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP OPENED THE DOORS OF THE OVAL OFFICE TO HEAR THAT RALLY FROM WHERE HE SAT. AGAIN, LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6, THE VERY DAY BEFORE, YOU HAD HIS ADVISORS TALKING TO HIM AND TALKING ABOUT AN EXTREME DAY AHEAD ON THE SIXTH. JUDY: WE KNOW THERE WERE TWO

WITNESSES TODAY, ONE OF THEM A FORMER MEMBER OF THIS EXTREMIST WHITE NATIONALIST GROUP, THE OATH KEEPERS. THE OTHER, SOMEONE WHO TOOK PART IN THE CAPITAL ATTACK. LISA: YOU PLAYED THAT CONCERN EARLIER FROM THE FORMER MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPERS WHO WAS NOT AT JANUARY 6. HE SAID THIS WAS A VIOLENT MILITIA GROUP. WE HEARD FROM ANOTHER MAN, STEPHEN AYERS, HE SAID HE WAS WATCHING SOCIAL MEDIA LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6 AND HE BELIEVED THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. HE SAYS HE NO LONGER SEES IT THAT WAY. THE COMMITTEE ASKED HIM WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID ON JANUARY 6 AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. >> WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO MARCH TO THE CAPITOL? >> WELL, BASICALLY, THE PRESIDENT GOT EVERYBODY RILED UP. TOLD EVERYBODY TO HEAD ON DOWN. WE BASICALLY WERE FOLLOWING WHAT HE SAID. >> DID YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE MARCHING WITH YOU? >> YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY

THOUGHT HE WOULD BE COMING DOWN. HE SAID IT IN HIS SPEECH. KIND OF LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE THERE WITH US. I BELIEVE THAT. LISA: AND MR. AYERS IS YET TO BE SENTENCED. HE WILL BE IN SEPTEMBER. TO THAT QUESTION WHETHER THE PRESIDENT WANTED A RIOTOUS CROWD TO COME TO THE CAPITAL, THE COMMITTEE IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT THIS WAS NOT UNINTENTIONAL PASSIONS INFLAMED BUT SOMETHING VERY INTENTIONAL. I WANT TO CALL UP A DRAFT TWEET THE COMMITTEE SAID IT UNCOVERED FROM THE GROUP OF ADVISORS THAT WANT TO THINGS LIKE MARTIAL LAW. IT SHOWS THAT THE PRESIDENT SIGNED OFF -- SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT SAW BEFORE THE JANUARY 6 RALLY ASKING PEOPLE TO MARCH TO THE CAPITOL. THE CASE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THIS WAS AN INTENTIONAL MARCH ON THE CAPITOL THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED TO LEAD. THIS WAS AN EMOTIONAL DAY FOR SOME OF THE CAPITOL POLICE

OFFICERS IN THERE TODAY. THEY DID SHAKE HANDS, ONE OF THE OFFICERS SHOOK HANDS WITH MR. AYERS. TALKING TO THEM AFTERWARDS, THEY SAID THEIR LIVES ARE FOREVER CHANGED BY JANUARY 6. THEIR LIVES HAVE CHANGED AS WELL. ONE OF THE OFFICERS TOLD ME, I SAW THE LOOK IN HIS EYES AS HE LOOKED ACROSS AT THE MEN WHO ATTACKED HIM AND OTHER OFFICERS WHO HAD BROKEN INTO THE CAPITOL, HE SAID I AM NOT SURE WHAT I FELT, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ANGER. IT WAS AN EMOTIONAL DAY, CERTAINLY AT THE END OF THE HEARING. JUDY: IT HAVE TO BE FOR THEM. I WANT TO BRING IN OUR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, LAURA. HOW DOES WHAT WE LEARNED TODAY FIT INTO THIS LARGER PICTURE THAT THE COMMITTEE IS PULLING TOGETHER OF WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID, AND ANY POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST HIM? LAURA: THOSE TWO THINGS THAT LISA MENTIONED, THE DRAFT TWEET THAT THE PRESIDENT SAW AN TESTIMONY FROM STEPHEN AYERS

SAYING THAT HE WAS JUST FOLLOWING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LEAD, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY INFORM, IF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DECIDES TO CHARGE THE PRESIDENT, IT COULD INFORM OBSTRUCTION OF PROCEEDINGS CHARGE. THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY PROVE THE PRESIDENT WAS TRYING TO STOP THE LAWFUL CERTIFICATION OF THE 2020 VOTE. ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS REVEALED TODA WAS THAT CONGRESSWOMAN LIZ CHENEY SAID SINCE THE LAST HEARING, THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO CALL A WITNESS WHICH WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YET AND THEY HAVE REFERRED THAT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AS POTENTIAL WITNESS TAMPERING. SHE SAID THE COMMITTEE TAKES THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE JUSTEST DEPARTMENT WILL PURSUE THIS -- JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WILL PURSUE THIS. AS THE HEARINGS ARE HAPPENING, AS THESE TALKS OF POTENTIAL CHARGES AGAINST THE FORMER PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP JUST AS RECENTLY AS JUNE SAID IF ELECTED AGAIN, HE WOULD PARDON THESE JANUARY 6 RIOTERS, PEOPLE

INVOLVED IN THE INSURRECTION, BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THEY ARE PATRIOTS. AND CONGRESSMAN JAMIE RASKIN SAID TO THE PUBLIC THAT POTENTIAL FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ALONG WITH TRUMP TO CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD OF AUTHORITARIANISM COULD BE A BIG PROBLEM. NEWSHOUR COULD REPORT A WEEK FROM THURSDAY, WE EXPECT WHAT WILL BE THE FINAL HEARING IN THIS SERIES. THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE HEARINGS AND IT WILL BE FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON THE 187 MINUTES OF WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS NOT PUTTING OUT ANY STATEMENTS AS THE INSURRECTION WAS ONGOING. JUDY: THESE HEARINGS ARE CONTINUING. LAURA, LISA, WE THANK YOU BOTH. AND FOR MORE ANALYSIS OF THE HEARING, I'M HERE WITH MARY MCCORD, DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL ADVOCACY AND PROTECTION AND A FORMER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL. AND JAMIL JAFFER, A LAW

PROFESSOR AT GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY AND FORMER ASSOCIATE COUNSEL TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH. HELLO TO BOTH OF YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT AND DURING OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE TODAY. JAMIL, I WANT TO COME TO YOU FIRST BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS EVIDENCE TODAY WAS AROUND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, HIS ROLE, WHAT HE HEARD, WHAT HE DID AND WHAT HE DIDN'T DO. HE REMAINS AT THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING WE ARE HEARING. JAMIL: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WHAT IS CLEAR IS THE PRESIDENT UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS LIKELY TO HAPPEN. HE WAS CLEARLY TALKING TO FOLKS OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE LEAD UP TO THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6, INCLUDING UP SENSIBLY EVEN HE OR PEOPLE AROUND HIM TELLING ORGANIZERS THERE WOULD BE A CALL TO MARCH ON THE CAPITOL. THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY TWEETED ABOUT INTERNALLY. WE NOW KNOW THE PRESIDENT

APPEARED TO HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN IN A MOMENT THAT HAPPENED SPONTANEOUSLY TURNED OUT TO BE A PLANNED MOMENT. THE PEOPLE AROUND THE PRESIDENT KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THEY WERE INTERESTING POINTS IN TODAY'S TESTIMONY. JUDY: THERE WAS SO MUCH TO LOOK AT. MARY, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU SEE AGAIN JUST A CASCADING SET OF PIECES OF EVIDENCE OF INFORMATION THAT ADD UP TO A PRESIDENT WHO WAS LOOKING FOR AFFIRMATION FROM WHAT HE BELIEVED IN AND WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. MARY: THAT IS RIGHT. ONE OF THE OTHER REVEALING THINGS, IN THE EXCERPTS HE PLAYED EARLIER FOCUSED ON THIS, THE DECEMBER 18 REALLY HEATED MEETING WHERE HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE ADVISORS BASICALLY SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT YOU DOING ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT SIDNEY POWELL AND MICHAEL FLYNN AND RUDY GIULIANI WERE SUGGESTING HE DO. THEY JUST WENT TO THE MAD AND RESULTED IN YELLING AND SHOUTING.

IT SEEMED LIKE HE REACHED A DECISION POINT WHICH WAS, OK, I AM NOT GOING TO GET ANY HELP FROM MY WHITE HOUSE ADVISORS, I WILL GO TO THE PEOPLE. HE TWEETED THAT EARLY MORNING, BE THERE, BE WILD. THAT WAS THE CALLING CARD FOR EXTREMIST GROUPS, SUCH AS THE OATH KEEPERS, THE PROUD BOYS, AND INDIVIDUALS LIKE STEPHEN AYERS AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN -- HE SAID THIS -- WHO HAD BEEN ADDICTED TO HIS SOCIAL MEDIA, READING PRESIDENT TRUMP EVER SAID ABOUT A FRAUDULENT ELECTION AND WHAT OTHERS WERE SAYING, ALL OF WHICH WERE LIES AND NOW KNOWS WERE LIES. JUDY: AS WE WERE WATCHING THIS UNFOLD IN REAL TIME, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON OR VERY LITTLE IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. I KNOW THERE WERE REPORTING AT THE SAME TIME, BUT WE ARE NOW LEARNING THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AROUND THE PRESIDENT WHO WERE SAYING TO HIM AND TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS WRONG, ILLEGAL. JAMIL: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. PAT MADE CLEAR TO THE PRESIDENT HE WAS NOT GIVING GOOD ADVICE.

THESE FOLKS AROUND THE PRESIDENT, SIDNEY POWELL, RUDY GIULIANI THIS OVERSTOCK.COM CEO WHO HE DIDN'T KNOW -- BY THE WAY, IT IS WORTH NOTING, IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS NO CHANCE YOU WOULD HAVE THREE RANDOM PEOPLE IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH THE PRESIDENT WITH NO SUPERVISION. IT IS COMPLETELY CRAZY. THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GETTING LEGAL ADVICE FROM THESE FOLKS IS CATASTROPHIC, AS WAS POINTED OUT. HE MADE CLEAR HE DID NOT AGREE WITH THE ADVICE. YOU GO FURTHER AND LOOK AT WHAT HE TOLD MARK MEADOWS. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET HURT AND I WILL T ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD. SO, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS AWARE THERE WERE CONCERNS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. JOHN RATLIFF SAID THE SAME THING. NO REPUBLICAN, NO DEMOCRAT CAN DOUBT TODAY, THE PRESIDENT KNE THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT COULD

HAPPEN AND HE ACTED AND WENT FORWARD NONETHELESS. THAT IS THE REALLY TROUBLING THING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND JANUARY 6. JUDY: AN ADDITIONAL POINT THAT EMERGED TODAY, MARY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU FOLLOW, IS THE ROLE THESE EXTREMIST GROUPS PLAY. THE OATH KEEPERS, THE PROUD BOYS. YOU ARE SAYING TO US EARLIER THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED, THE FORMER PRESIDENT WAS USING THEM TO ACHIEVE IN THE END. MARY: THEY WERE VERY WILLINGLY BEING USED, THE OATH KEEPERS. SOME OF THE PEOPLE UNAFFILIATED WITH EXTREMIST ORGANIZATIONS REALLY DID GET USED AND LIED TO AND LEFT HUNG OUT TO DRY. THEY ARE FACING THE CONSEQUENCES, CRIMINAL CHARGES, LOSS OF THEIR JOBS. GROUPS LIKE THE OATH KEEPERS, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT STEWARD RHODEAND OTHER LEADERS OF EXTREMIST ORGANIZATIONS HAVE WANTED FOR YEARS. ANTIGOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS,

THEY ARE TO USE VIOLENCE AGAINST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. THEY HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST. AS WAS EXPLAINED TODAY BY THE FORMER PROPAGANDIST OF THE OATH KEEPERS, THEY FACED OFF AGAINST FEDERAL AGENTS BACK IN BUNKER VILLE, NEVADA IN 2014, AND FEDERAL AGENTS BACKED AWAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE FIREARMS. THEY WERE IN THE SITES OF SNIPERS ON OVERPASSES. HERE WAS A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY BRING THESE GROUPS TOGETHER, COALESCE TOGETHER AND WITH PEOPLE IN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ORBIT WHO WANTED TO USE THAT, WHO WERE WILLING, AND FROM HIMSELF WILLING TO USE THESE TYPES OF MEANS TO MAINTAIN HIS ILLEGITIMATE POWER. I THINK THOSE OF US WHO STUDY THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO POINT OUT FOR YEARS THEIR DANGEROUSNESS. IT WAS REALLY THERE IN LIVING COLOR. HEARING FROM A FORMER SPOKESPERSON GIVES US AN INSIGHT THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY GET AND I HOPE PEOPLE WILL REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE

THREATS AND NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. JUDY: THEY CERTAINLY NEED TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. JAMIL, QUICKLY, ANOTHER DATA POINT TODAY, WHICH ADDS TO THE EVIDENCE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THAT TWEET THAT HE DRAFTED ABOUT -- AFTER THE RALLY, YOU WILL BE GOING TO THE CAPITOL. IT WAS NOT SENT, BUT IT DOES SIGNAL WHAT WAS IN THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S MIND AT THAT TIME. JAMIL: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. IT WAS CLEAR, NOW WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT WAS THINKING ABOUT SENDING A TWEET LIKE THAT. THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM TOLD THE RALLY ORGANIZERS THE PRESIDENT WILL SEND PEOPLE TO THE CAPITOL, DON'T TELL ANYONE. THAT WHOLE THING THAT LOOKED SPONTANEOUS WAS CLEARLY PLANNED AHEAD OF TIME. THEN, YOU HAD ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID TO HUTCHINSON. I KNOW THEY HAVE WEAPONS, I DON'T CARE. THEY ARE NOT HERE TO ATTACK ME. WE NOW KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW BEFORE HE CALLED ALL THOSE

PEOPLE TO GO TO THE CAPITOL AND WE KNOW THE AFTERMATH. JUDY: QUICKLY, MARY, IT ADDS UP TO WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL LETHALITY OF THESE GROUPS AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT KNOWING THAT AND STILL ENGAGING THEM AND URGING THEM TO MOVE AHEAD. MARY: IT GOES BACK TO THE FAMOUS STAND BACK AND STAND BY, AND HE MADE DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE DIRECTED TO THE PROUD BOYS, WHO IMMEDIATELY RECRUITED ON THAT AND MERCHANDISED AND MADE MONEY BASED ON THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE. LOOK ABROAD. IN OTHER COUNTRIES, IT WAS THE WILLINGNESS OF POLITICIANS TO ALLY WITH DANGEROUS PRIVATE MILITIAS THAT HAS CAUSED REAL COLLAPSES IN DEMOCRACIES OR THE INABILITY TO DEVELOP INTO DEMOCRACIES, AND AUTHORITARIANISM. SO, THE PROSPECT IN THE FUTURE, REPRESENTATIVE RASKIN MENTIONED AND JASON, IT IS REAL. JUDY: SOBERING LESSON.

MARY, JAMIL, THANK YOU BOTH. MARY: THANK YOU. ♪ JUDY: IN THE DAY'S OTHER NEWS, UKRAINE'S MILITARY SAID IT DESTROYED A RUSSIAN AMMUNITION DEPOT IN THE EAST, POSSIBLY WITH A ROCKET SYSTEM SUPPLIED BY THE U.S. THE OVERNIGHT ATTACK TRIGGERED A SPECTACULAR BLAST OUTSIDE KHERSON. THAT CITY IS OCCUPIED BY THE RUSSIANS. AT THE SAME TIME, RUSSIAN FORCES CAPTURED MORE TOWNS IN EASTERN UKRAINE. THE U.S. MILITARY SAYS IT HAS KILLED THE LEADER OF THE ISLAMIC STATE GROUP IN SYRIA. CENTRAL COMMAND SAYS MAHER AL-AGAL DIED IN A DRONE STRIKE TODAY OUTSIDE JINDARIS, NEAR THE BORDER WITH TURKEY. HE'S SAID TO BE A TOP-FIVE LEADER IN ISIS, RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVELOPING NETWORKS OUTSIDE IRAQ AND SYRIA.

ON THE PANDEMIC, FEDERAL HEALTH OFFICIALS ISSUED NEW WARNINGS TODAY AS OMICRON SUB-VARIANTS B.A.4 AND B.A.5 SPREAD RAPIDLY. HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS HAVE DOUBLED SINCE EARLY MAY, AND DR. ANTHONY FAUCI ADVISED AGAINST WAITING FOR A VARIANT-SPECIFIC VACCINE DUE THIS FALL. >> THE THREAT TO YOU IS NOW. IF YOU ARE NOT VACCINATED TO THE FULLEST, NAMELY YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE BOOSTERS ACCORDING TO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION ARE, THEN YOU'RE PUTTING YOURSELF AT AN INCREASED RISK THAT YOU CAN MITIGATE AGAINST BY GETTING VACCINATED. JUDY: THE SUB-VARIANTS ARE HIGHLY TRANSMISSABLE, BUT OFFICIALS SAY THE VACCINES CAN PREVENT SEVERE ILLNESS. THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO CALLED TODAY FOR TRANSFORMATIONAL POLICIES ALONG THE U.S.-MEXICAN BORDER. ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR MET WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN AT THE WHITE HOUSE. HE SAID BOLD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS ARE NEEDED TO CURB ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS.

IN MAY, U.S. IMMIGRATION ARRESTS HIT RECORD HIGHS ALONG THE BORDER. MEANWHILE, FIRST LADY JILL BIDEN APOLOGIZED FOR A BOTCHED COMPLIMENT ABOUT LATINOS. IT HAPPENED MONDAY DURING A SPEECH IN SAN ANTONIO. BIDEN SAID THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS "AS DISTINCT AS THE BODEGAS OF THE BRONX, AS BEAUTIFUL OF THE BLOSSOMS OF MIAMI AND AS UNIQUE AS THE BREAKFAST TACOS IN SAN ANTONIO." TODAY, THE FIRST LADY'S OFFICE SAID SHE MEANT TO CONVEY ADMIRATION, NOT DISRESPECT. THE U.S. SENATE CONFIRMED STEVE DETTELBACH TODAY AS DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES. THE VOTE WAS 48-46 TO GIVE THE AGENCY ITS FIRST PERMANENT DIRECTOR SINCE 2015. DETTELBACH IS A FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. HE'S PLEDGED TO TACKLE GUN VIOLENCE, AS THE NATION REELS FROM A SERIES OF HIGH-PROFILE ATTACKS. BAIL REFORM ADVOCATES IN DETROIT AGREED TODAY TO A LEGAL

SETTLEMENT AIMED AT REDUCING RACIAL INEQUALITY. THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION AND OTHERS HAD SUED. THEY CITED LONG-STANDING COMPLAINTS OVER JAILING MOSTLY BLACK DEFENDANTS WHO CAN'T PAY COURT-IMPOSED CASH BAIL. >> THE CASH BAIL SYSTEM WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT A PERSON RETURNS TO COURT TO FACE THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM. BUT INSTEAD, THROUGHOUT MICHIGAN AND THE NATION, IT HAS MORPHED INTO MASS INCARCERATION OF THE POOR. JUDY: UNDER THE SETTLEMENT, JUDGES HAVE TO SPECIFY WHY CASH BAIL IS NEEDED AND WHETHER A DEFENDANT CAN AFFORD TO PAY. U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND NAMED COLETTE PETERS TODAY TO LEAD THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS. THE AGENCY HAS BEEN CRITICIZED OVER INADEQUATE PANDEMIC MEASURES AND ALLEGATIONS OF CORRUPTION. PETERS CURRENTLY RUNS THE STATE PRISON SYSTEM IN OREGON. ON WALL STREET TODAY, STOCKS RETREATED AGAIN, AS OIL PRICES AND TECH SHARES LED THE WAY LOWER. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST 192 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 30,981.

THE NASDAQ FELL 107 POINTS, 1%. THE S&P 500 ALSO SLIPPED 1%. THIS YEAR'S EMMY NOMINEES ARE IN, AND THE HBO DRAMA "SUCCESSION" LEADS WITH 25 NOMINATIONS. "SQUID GAME" IS THE FIRST NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE SERIES NOMINATED FOR BEST DRAMA. AND, "THE WHITE LOTUS" LEADS ALL COMEDY OFFERINGS WITH 20 NOMINATIONS. THE AWARDS WILL BE HANDED OUT IN SEPTEMBER. AND, THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS HAS NAMED ADA LIMON TO BE THE 24TH U.S. POET LAUREATE. SHE HAS RECEIVED WIDESPREAD ACCLAIM AND WON NUMEROUS AWARDS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE COLLECTION "BRIGHT DEAD THINGS." SHE BEGINS HER ONE-YEAR TERM ON SEPTEMBER 29. STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR," NEW VIDEO SHOWS INACTION BY DOZENS OF POLICE OFFICERS IN UVALDE, TEXAS DESPITE THE SHOOTING RAMPAGE.

THE PRESIDENT FACES CRITICISM FOR HIS TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST. AND, NASA RELEASES NEW PHOTOS FROM THE WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE INCLUDING NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN NEBULAS AND GALAXIES. ♪ >> THIS IS THE PBS NEWSHOUR FROM WETA STUDIOS IN WASHINGTON, AND IN THE WEST FROM THE WALTER CRONKITE SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY. JUDY: IT'S BEEN SEVEN WEEKS SINCE A GUNMAN OPENED FIRE INSIDE ROBB ELEMENTARY IN UVALDE, TEXAS, KILLING 19 CHILDREN AND TWO TEACHERS. AS WILLIAM BRANGHAM REPORTS, NEW SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE OUT TODAY SHEDS LIGHT ON WHAT HAPPENED INSIDE THE SCHOOL THAT TRAGIC DAY. A WARNING, SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND THIS MATERIAL DISTURBING. WILLIAM: JUDY, IT'S STILL AN OPEN QUESTION WHY IT TOOK OFFICERS SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO CONFRONT THE SHOOTER. THIS FOUR-MINUTE COMPILATION WAS RELEASED BY "THE AUSTIN-AMERICAN STATESMAN" OF OVER 70 MINUTES OF

FOOTAGE. THE VIDEO SHOWS THE SHOOTER ENTERING THE SCHOOL, GOING DOWN A HALLWAY, WHERE HE THEN SHOT OVER 100 ROUNDS INTO TWO CLASSROOMS. THREE MINUTES LATER, THE FIRST OFFICERS ARRIVE, ARMED AND IN BULLETPROOF VESTS. THEY'RE SHOT AT AND PULL BACK. WITHIN ABOUT HALF AN HOUR, DOZENS OF OFFICERS WITH LONG GUNS AND SHIELDS TAKE UP POSITIONS IN THE HALLWAY. LATER, MORE SHOTS ARE HEARD FROM DOWN THE HALL. 77 MINUTES IN, LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTERS THE CLASSROOM AND KILL THE GUNMAN. TONY PLOHETSKI, AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FOR THE AUSTIN AMERICAN-STATESMAN. HE ACQUIRED THIS NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN FOOTAGE TODAY. GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK ON THE NEWSHOUR. I WONDER THIS IS SUCH A STRIKING DOCUMENT OF WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN WONDERING IS TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THERE. WHAT STANDS OUT THE MOST TO YOU FROM THIS VIDEO? TONY: I THINK FIRST OF ALL, JUST THE IMAGE OF A MAN WALKING SO CASUALLY INTO AN ELEMENTARY

SCHOOL IN OUR COUNTRY CARRYING AN AR-15. CERTAINLY, THERE HAS BEEN MUCH CONVERSATION AND REPORTING ABOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE, BUT I THINK THAT THIS VIDEO REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT DAY BEGAN WITH THAT MAN AND AN AR-15 WALKING INTO THAT SCHOOL. BUT THERE ARE OTHER STRIKING MOMENTS AS WELL, INCLUDING A SMALL CHILD WHO APPARENTLY IS EXITING THE BATHROOM AND PEEKS AROUND THE CORNER AND SEES THE GUNMAN WALKING DOWN THE HALL AND THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE, AND HE RUNS BACK INTO THE BATHROOM. AGAIN, JT WATCHING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THAT HALLWAY AS YET MORE AND MORE ASSAULT RIFLES ARE BROUGHT TO THE HALLWAY, AS MORE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT ARRIVES, AS TEARGAS CANISTERS ARRIVE. EXPERTS SAY THEY HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH.

MANY MINUTES BEFORE THEY WENT INTO THE SCHOOL, MORE THAN ENOUGH EQUIPMENT AND FIREPOWER TO TAKE ON THIS GUNMAN. WILLIAM: THAT DELAYED RESPONSE HAS BEEN BLAMED ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICE CHIEF, BUT THIS VIDEO DOES SHOW THAT THERE WERE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES ALL AMASSED IN THAT HALLWAY. THIS SEEMS TO UNDERCUT SOME OF THE ARGUMENT OF BLAMING JUST ONE AGENCY. DO WE HAVE ANY BETTER SENSE OF WHY IT TOOK THEM SO LONG, WHERE THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND FELL APART? TONY: CERTAINLY,AND THE HEAD OFS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY HAS DESCRIBED THIS AS A FAILURE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NOT SINGLING OUT ONE PARTICULAR AGENCY. KEEP IN MIND, IN THE VIDEO, CERTAINLY SUBSTANTIATES THIS. THERE WERE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY THERE, AS WELL AS STATE POLICE AND FEDERAL AGENTS AS WELL.

WE KNOW THAT ULTIMATELY, IT WAS A TEAM LED BY THE BORDER PATROL THAT BREACHED THE CLASSROOM DOOR AT 12:50. KEEP IN MIND, THE GUNMAN ENTERED THE SCHOOL THAT1:33 A.M. JWILLIAM: THIS SEEMS TO KNOCK THE IDEA THAT THE SHOOTER WAS NO LONGER A THREAT. WE HEARD SHOTS AFTER ALL THE POLICE WERE INSIDE, THAT THIS WAS STILL AN ACTIVE SHOOTER AND NOT A SHOOTER WHO WAS BARRICADED AND DIDN'T NEED TO BE CONFRONTED. TONY: AND NOT ONLY THAT, WILLIAM, IT IS ALSO VERY MUCH WORTH NOTING AS PART OF THIS THAT THERE WERE REPEATED 911 CALLS AS WELL FROM CHILDREN AND ADULTS ALIKE ASKING FOR HELP, DESCRIBING THE EXTENT OF THEIR INJURIES. AND YET AGAIN, SO MUCH TIME ELAPSED BEFORE WE KNOW THAT THEY ULTIMATELY BREACHED THE CLASSROOM DOOR, REALLY GOING AGAINST WHAT EXPERTS RESOUNDINGLY SAY IS THE WAY LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD HANDLE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS. WILLIAM: WE KNOW LASTLY THAT

PARENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE WANTED TO SEE THIS VIDEO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED MUCH BETTER. WE KNOW THERE WAS A RALLY IN TOWN ON SUNDAY NIGHT WHERE MANY PEOPLE EXPRESSED A REAL SENSE OF DISTRUST ABOUT THE POLICE. THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS IS ONLY GOING TO CONFOUND THAT CONCERN. TONY: CERTAINLY, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CALLS FOR INCREASED TRANSPARENCY AMONG THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT TERRIBLE DAY. AND FRANKLY, THAT HELPED DRIVE OUR DECISION TO PUBLISH AND AIR THIS VIDEO AS WE HAVE DONE TODAY. WILLIAM: TONY, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPERB REPORTING. TONY: THANK YOU. ♪ JUDY: TONIGHT, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS DEPARTING FOR HIS FIRST TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST AS PRESIDENT. IT IS DELICATE DIPLOMACY FOR AN ADMINISTRATION THAT'S PLEDGED TO

PUT HUMAN RIGHTS FIRST, BUT IS ALSO BALANCING MIDDLE EAST REALITIES, ESPECIALLY IN SAUDI ARABIA. THAT'S WHERE THE PRESIDENT WILL SPEND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. TOMORROW, HE WILL TRAVEL TO JERUSALEM WHERE NICK SCHIFRIN BEGINS OUR COVERAGE. NICK: IT'S A CITY HOLY TO THREE RELIGIONS, BUT THIS WEEK, THEY RAISED THREE COLORS -- THE RED, WHITE, AND BLUE. THEY ROLLED OUT THE RED CARPET AND BUFFED THE BUSTS AT THE ISRAELI PRESIDENT'S HOUSE. AND THEY CALLED OUT THE CAVALRY AHEAD OF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S ARRIVAL. ISRAEL AND THE U.S. WANT TO FOCUS ON DEFENSE. ISRAEL, THE U.S., AND REGIONAL ARAB MILITARIES ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON AIR DEFENSE USING ISRAELI TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING THE STILL-IN-PRODUCTION IRON DOME LASERS. THEY'RE DESIGNED TO COMBAT COMMON ENEMY IRAN AND ITS OWN ADVANCING MISSILE TECHNOLOGY. IT'S ALSO AN OUTGROWTH OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS TO NORMALIZE ARAB-ISRAELI RELATIONS. WHAT BIDEN WILL NOT ANNOUNCE -- CHANGES TO TRUMP ADMINISTRATION POLICIES, INCLUDING CLOSING THE

U.S.' JERUSALEM CONSULATE, WHICH FOCUSED ON PALESTINIAN AFFAIRS, AND DECLARING JEWISH SETTLEMENTS ON THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK, NOT A VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. >> HE IS COMING AS AN EXTENSION OF TRUMP'S POLICIES RATHER THAN AS AN ANTIDOTE. NICK: HANAN ASHRAWI HAS BEEN A PALESTINIAN LEADER FOR DECADES. >> HE'S ACTING ON THE BASIS THAT THAT YOU CAN IGNORE THE PALESTINIANS, YOU CAN WEAKEN THE PALESTINIANS, YOU CAN BASH THEM INTO SUBMISSION. YOU CAN GIVE THEM A FEW HANDOUTS AND SYMBOLIC GESTURES AND THEY LIE DOWN AND DIE QUIETLY. NICK: PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL ANNOUNCE SUPPORT FOR A HOSPITAL NETWORK IN EAST JERUSALEM, AND FOR THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION. PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS ADVISORS TALK ABOUT HOW THEY BELIEVE IN THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION. YOU LAUGHED. DO YOU THINK THAT IS REAL? >> LOOK, THERE IS A REAL DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE VERBAL LEVEL, AND REALITY ON THE GROUND. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SAY WE

BELIEVE IN THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION. ISRAEL HAS SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROYED THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION BY ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY THE PALESTINIAN STATE. WE WANT NOT THESE EMPTY WORDS, NOT HOLLOW PROMISE WE WANT TO SEE ACTION THAT SAYS WE ARE SERIOUS. NICK: FOR ACTING ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER YAIR LAPID, THE VISIT IS ABOUT LOOKING BEYOND THE PALESTINIANS. >> FROM JERUSALEM, PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL FLY TO SAUDI ARABIA. HE WILL CARRY WITH HIM A MESSAGE OF PEACE AND HOPE FROM US. NICK: THE SAUDI VISIT ACKNOWLEDGES MIDDLE EAST REALITY. THESE DAYS THE REGION'S POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE IS OFTEN RESERVED FOR SAUDI CROWN PRINCE MUHAMMAD BIN SALMAN. HE'S KNOWN AS MBS. THBEENN A REGIONAL TOUR AS THE MAN WHO WILL BE KING. HE'S BEEN TRYING TO MODERNIZE THE KINGDOM UNDER HIS VISION 2030, GIVING WOMEN MORE RIGHTS, AND CUING RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS. BUT U.S. OFFICIALS ALSO BELIEVE HE IS ALSO THE SOURCE OF THE KINGDOM'S CRACKDOWN ON ITS CRITICS. U.S. OFFICIALS TOLD "PBS NEWSHOUR" HE'S BELIEVED TO HAVE PERSONALLY BLESSED THE 2018

MURDER OF JOURNALIST JAMAL KHASHOGGI INSIDE SAUDI ARABIA'S ISTANBUL CONSULATE. THE FOLLOWING YEAR, CANDIDATE BIDEN PROMISED PUNISHMENT. >> WE WERE GOING TO IN FACT MAKE THEM PAY THE PRICE, AND MAKE THEM IN FACT THE PARIAH THAT THEY ARE. HUMAN RIGHTS MUST BE THE CENTER OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY. NICK: DESPITE THOSE WORDS AND WARNINGS, THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS NOW IS THE TIME TO VISIT SAUDI ARABIA TO DISCUSS THE TRUCE THAT'S CURRENTLY HOLDING IN YEMEN AND INCREASING OIL PRODUCTION. >> AMERICA'S VALUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS ARE A STRATEGIC INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES, SO IS ENERGY SECURITY, SO IS STOPPING TERRORISM, SO IS SEEKING PEACE IN A PLACE LIKE YEMEN. NICK: BUT, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE KINGDOM'S CRITICS. >> MBS AND THE SAUDI REGIME IS GOING TO TAKE THIS AS A GREEN LIGHT THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN COMMIT ABUSES WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY. NICK: AREEJ AL-SADHAN IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WHOSE BROTHER ABDELRAHMAN IS ALSO AN AMERICAN. HE WAS WORKING AS A HUMANITARIAN IN SAUDI ARABIA WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2018. HE'S BEEN SENNCED TO 20 YEARS IN PRISON.

>> HE GOT HELD IN A SECRET PRISON, BRUTALLY TORTURED, AND HE WAS DENIED COMPLETELY ANY COMMUNICATION WITH US. ALL OF THAT BECAUSE HE DARED TO CRITICIZE IN AN ANONYMOUS ACCOUNT, THE ABUSES AND THE OPPRESSION, REPRESSION THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY. NICK: SAUDI ARABIA HAS LAUNCHED REFORMS THAT MBS SAYS ARE MEANT TO "BOLSTER THE PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE, ENFORCE TRANSPARENCY, AND PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS." MOHAMMED BIN SALMAN'S DEFENDERS SAY THAT HE'S A MODERNIZER, THAT VISION 2030 WILL REMAKE THE COUNTRY. >> I WOULD SAY ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. IT HAS BEEN EVEN BECOMING MORE ABUSIVE THAN BEFORE. IT IS IMPRISONING PEOPLE, TORTURING PEOPLE, DISAPPEARING PEOPLE. NICK: AND AL-SADHAN SAYS SHE AND HER FAMILY HAVE FACED ONLINE DEATH THREATS. AND SO, WHY ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THIS INTERVIEW AND SPEAK OUT? >> STAYING SILENT TO ME IS A LOT MORE RISKY THAN ACTUALLY SPEAKING UP. IF I STAY SILENT AND I GET TARGETED, I'LL BE MURDERED IN SILENCE, AND NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT

MY CASE. NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT MY BROTHER'S CASE. BUT AT LEAST IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME AFTER ME AND MURDER ME, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, I'M KNOWN, MY BROTHER'S CASE IS KNOWN. NICK: DESPITE THOSE WORRIES AND REQUEST BY SAUDI ACTIVISTS TO PRESIDENT BIDEN NOT TO TRAVEL TO THE KINGDOM, U.S. OFFICIALS SAY IT IS VITAL RIGHT NOW TO TALK TO SAUDI OFFICIALS ABOUT FURTHERING SAUDI-ISRAELI COOPERATION AND INTEGRATION INTO THE REGION. JUDY: YOU HAVE LEARNED WHAT CONCRETE ANNOUNCEMENTS WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM THIS TRIP? NICK: SENIOR OFFICIALS FROM ISRAEL TELL ME THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE PRESIDENT WILL SIGN A STRATEGIC UNDERSTANDING DOCUMENT LAYING OUT WHERE THE TWO COUNTRIES WILL GO IN THE COMING YEARS. AS WE REPORTED IN THE STORY, THERE WILL BE THE HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIANS ANNOUNCED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN AND INDEPENDENT ANALYSTS SAY THAT SAUDI ARABIA WILL ALLOW OVERFLIGHTS FROM ISRAEL OVER THE TERRITORY OF SAUDI ARABIA AND DIRECT FLIGHTS FOR ISRAELI

MUSLIMS TO SAUDI ARABIA. JUDY: NICK SCHIFRIN, THANK YOU. LATER THIS WEEK, PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL VISIT SAUDI ARABIA, A COUNTRY AS WE JUST HEARD HE LABELED A PARIAH DURING HIS CAMPAIGN. AMNA NAWAZ PICKS UP THE CONVERSATION FROM THERE. AMNA: FOR MORE ON PRESIDENT BIDEN'S TRIP AND WHETHER IT'S IN AMERICA'S INTERESTS FOR HIM TO GO TO SAUDI ARABIA, WE GET TWO VIEWS. JAMES JEFFREY HAD A 35-YEAR CAREER IN THE FOREIGN SERVICE AND SERVED AS U.S. AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ AND TURKEY. HE'S NOW AT THE WOODROW WILSON INTERNATIONAL CENTER FOR SCHOLARS, A THINK TANK. DALIA DASSA KAYE IS A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES' BURKLE CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS. SHE'S WRITTEN DELY ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. DALIA, I WANT TO BEGIN WITH YOU. YOU HAVE SAID PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECISION TO VISIT SAUDI ARABIA IS A MISTAK, IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLANNED. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY.

DALIA: I THINK THE DILEMMA IS THAT THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY HAS COMPROMISED ON U.S. VALUES AND ACTUALLY -- AND INTEREST IN ACCOUNTABLE PARTNERS. THE LIKELIHOOD IS HE'S NOT LIKELY TO GET MANY SIGNIFICANT STRATEGIC GAINS FROM THIS VISIT. AS YOUR PIECE SET UP, THIS IS A LEADERSHIP NOW IN SAUDI ARABIA BELIEVED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER OF A WASHINGTON POST JOURNALIST, CONTINUING TO REPRESS DISSIDENTS INSIDE THE COUNTRY AND ABROAD, INCLUDING U.S. CITENS, AND LAUNCHED A CATASTROPHIC WAR IN YEMEN. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SAUDI ARABIA A CENTERPIECE OF YOUR FOREIGN POLICY, IT IS FAIR TO ASK WHAT WILL WE GET IN RETURN FROM A U.S. PERSPECTIVE? IT IS NOT CLEAR THE SAUDI'S WILL BE ABLE EVEN IF THEY ARE WILLING, GIVEN THE TYPE OIL MARKET, TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE OIL OUTPUT. RAELI NORMALIZATION WITH THE SAUDI'S WHICH IS STEPPING UP TO BE A BIG CENTERPIECE OF THIS TRIP, NORMALIZATION IS HAPPENING

EVEN WITHOUT A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT. IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH DESPITE THESE MODEST SYMBOLIC GAINS. FINALLY, THE IDEA OF USING THIS VISIT TO TURN REGIONAL PARTNERS AWAY FROM GLOBAL COMPETITORS LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA IS ALSO A LITTLE BIT UNREALISTIC. THESE PARTNERS ARE QUITE INVESTED IN THESE RELATIONSHIPS. WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOST RECENTLY IN OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS UNWILLINGNESS TO CONFRONT PUTIN AND JOINT INTERNATIONAL SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA. AMNA: IT IS A STRIKING 180, FROM PARIAH TO A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT. DOESN'T THIS VISIT HELP REHABILITATE SAUDI ARABIA ON THE WORLD STAGE? JAMES: IT CERTAINLY EMPHASIZES NOT JUST SAUDI ARABIA BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WHOLE REGION. HE'S NOT JUST GOING TO SAUDI ARABIA. HE'S GOING TO ISRAEL, HE WILL MEET WITH THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP, ALL OF THE GULF STATES. IRAQ, JORDAN, AND EGYPTIAN LEADERS. THERE IS A PURPOSE TO THIS -- TO

HELP INTEGRATE THE REGION, TO PRESERVE SECURITY, ADVANCE STABILITY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO PROMOTE U.S. INTERESTS. WE ARE FACING AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT FROM CHINA AND RUSSIA WORLDWIDE, AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST BY THEIR PARTNERS. HE'S TRYING TO BUILD UP WITH THE COUNTRIES OF THE REGION TO DEAL WITH THESE THREATS. THEY WILL NOT DEAL 100% WITH THEM BUT THEY ARE BETTER ON OUR SIDES THAN AGAINST US. THE BIGGEST HUMAN RIGHTS THREAT IN THE WORLD TODAY IS EMANATING FROM RUSSIA AND CHINA, BECAUSE THEIR TOTALITARIAN SYSTEMS HAVE THE ABILITY TO THREATEN ALL OF US IF WE DON'T FIND A WAY TO MOBILIZE THE GLOBE AGAINST THEM. AMNA: WAS IT NECESSARY FOR HIM TO GO TO SECURE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, TO WORK TOWARDS THOSE GOALS, TO SECURE THE STEPS NICK SCHIFRIN JUST REPORTED THEY WILL BE ANNOUNCING? THESE ARE ALL THINGS THE U.S. COULD BE WORKING ON. THE PRESIDENTIAL VISIT BRINGS A

LEVEL OF PRESTIGE AND CREDIBILITY. DID HE HAVE TO GO? JAMES: ABSOLUTELY, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND FROM EVERYTHING I'VE LEARNED IN THIS REGION. PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND UNDERLYING THAT FRIENDSHIPS AND TRUST, EVEN WITH PEOPLE WE PERHAPS NOT LIKE TO HAVE A DRINK WITH IN THE EVENING IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE PREDICTABLE, IF YOU WANT THEM TO MOVE ON THE MARGINS. AND DALIA IS RIGHT, IT WILL ONLY BE ON THE MARGINS, TO HELP US WHEN WE ARE IN A CRUNCH. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN A REGIONAL SECURITY ARCHITECTURE. IT DOES NOT PROMISE IMMEDIATE BENEFITS, BUT IT IS MOVING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AFTER 20 YEARS OF BEING IN THE VARIOUS WRONG DIRECTIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AMNA: DALIA, WHAT ABOUT THAT? MBS IS 36 YEARS OLD, HE'S CLEARLY IN LINE. IS THIS VISIT JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THEY ARE RESIGNED TO THIS FACT, SOMEONE THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH? DALIA: ABSOLUTELY. SAUDI ARABIA IS AN IMPORTANT COUNTRY, YOU WILL HAVE TO WORK

WITH IT. THE QUESTION IS WHAT YOU RAISED EARLIER, WHICH IS WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT, CHOOSING SAUDI ARABIA IS THE FIRST COUNTRY TO VISIT WITH THIS TRACK RECORD, AND FRANKLY, POLICIES THAT HAVE REALLY CONTRADICTED AND UNDERMINED U.S. INTERESTS IN A VARIETY OF ARENAS? IT IS A DIFFERENT REGION THAT DECADES AGO. I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION. WAS THIS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND DID WE MISS AN OPPORTUNITY, DID THE PRESIDENT MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE THIS POSITIVE VISION? IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE ORIGINAL VISION. IS HE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE A MORE POSITIVE AGENDA THAT IS NOT GOING BACK TO OLD STANDARD POLICIES OF MILITARY RELATIONSHIPS WITH AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORS, WHICH DOES NOT BRING STABILITY AND PEACE TO THE REGION. I'M AFRAID THAT IS THE DIRECTION THIS TRIP IS TAKING. AMNA: I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD, AMBASSADOR. DALIA MENTIONED THE HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD. WE KNOW THEY CARRY OUT EXECUTIONS, THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE ACCOUNT ABILITY.

CAN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES SAY THEIR POLICY IS CENTERED ON HUMAN RIGHTS? JAMES: AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT HE SAYS TO THE CROWN PRINCE WHEN HE IS THERE AND WHAT THE CROWN PRINCE DOES IN HIS COUNTRY AFTERWARDS. I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE WE HAVE TO WAIT ON. I HAVE TO UNDERLINE THIS IS NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN GEOSTRATEGIC SECURITY ON ONE HAND AND HUMAN RIGHTS ON THE OTHER. IF WE DO NOT GET PARTNERS AND ALLIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD TO WORK CLOSELY WITH US, WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THE RUSSIANS IN UKRAINE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THE CHINESE IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA OR TAIWAN, AND WE WILL NOT STOP THE IRANIANS CONTINUE TO RUIN COUNTRIES AS THEY HAVE LEBANON, SYRIA, AND POTENTIALLY IRAQ. THAT IS THE FEAR THE PEOPLE OF THE REGION SEE. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE TURNING TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, AND EVERYONE IN THE REGION IS DELIGHTED HE IS COMING UP MINUS THE IRANIANS. AMNA: WHAT ABOUT THAT REGIONAL NOTE, AND THE POTENTIAL NORMALIZATION AHEAD FOR ISRAELI-SAUDI RELATIONS?

DALIA: NORMALIZATION IS GOOD, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITHOUT DEALING WITH THE FESTERING PALESTINIAN CONFLICT, THERE WILL NOT EVER BE TRUE PEACE AND STABILITY IN THE REGION, LEAST OF ALL FOR PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS. IN TERMS OF THE ANTI-IRAN FRONT, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, YES, MANY STATES ARE LOOKING FOR U.S. ENGAGEMENT BUT ARE ALSO CONCERNED THEY WILL BE IN THE CROSSHAIRS AND BE TARGETED BY IRAN WITH TOO ACTIVE OF AN ANTI-IRANIAN STANCE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS. IT WILL BE A LONG STRUGGLE FOR THAT. WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE BALANCE OF WHAT WE ARE RISKING HERE. WE HAVE AMERICAN FORCES IN THE REGION VULNERABLE TO IRANIAN ATTACKS AND GROUPS ALIGNED WITH IRAN. THIS TRIP CARRIES RISK AS WELL AS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT GAINS WE ARE GETTING. AMNA: AMBASSADOR, DALIA, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. ♪ JUDY: NASA SHARED NEW REVELATIONS TODAY FROM THE JAMES

WEBB TELESCOPE, THE LARGEST SPACE OBSERVATORY EVER MADE. THE INCREDIBLE IMAGES CAPTURE DISTANT GALAXIES, NEW STARS AND PLANETS, AND THE FARTHEST LOOK INTO THE BIRTH OF THE COSMOS EVER RECORDED. OUR SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT MILES O'BREN IS HERE TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN. HELLO. TELL US WHAT IT IS ABOUT THIS JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE THAT ENABLES US TO SEE FARTHER IN DISTANCE AND FURTHER IN TIME THAN HUBBLE? MILES: IT HAS A MUCH BIGGER MIRROR. IT IS 21 FEET IN DIAMETER. THE HUBBLE IS ABOUT SIX FEET SO IT CAN GATHER MORE LIGHT. IT LOOKS IN THE INFRARED PART OF THE SPECTRUM. BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE, WHEN YOU WANT TO SEE THE MOST DISTANT THINGS, THEY ALL LIVE IN THE INFRARED PART OF THE SPECTRUM. WEBB IS SEEING THINGS THAT HUBBLE CANNOT AND IT IS ALREA EXCITING.

JUDY: THE FIRST SPECTACULAR IMAGE WAS RELEASED YESTERDAY AT THE WHITE HOUSE. TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT. MILES: IT IS CALLED A DEEP FIELD IMAGE. IT IS A TIME EXPOSURE ON WHAT SEEMS TO BE A DARK PIECE OF VOID BUT LOOK AT THIS, THOUSANDS OF GALAXIES WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. IT TOOK THEM ABOUT 12.5 HOURS TO GET THIS EXPOSURE. FOR HUBBLE, IT TOOK 10 DAYS PLUS. THIS IS THE DEEPEST WE'VE EVER SEEN IN SPACE AND A STRAW MINERS BY THE DETAIL. JUDY: WE COULD LOOK AT THESE PICTURES ALL DAY. AS YOU REMIND US, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE PICTURES. MILES: THE SCIENTISTS ARE INTERESTED IN E DATA. LOOK AT THIS EXOPLANET WHICH ORBITS AROUND A STAR. USING THIS INSTRUMENT, THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WATER AND CLOUDS AND HAZE. WHILE WEBB IS NOT DESIGNED TO FIND EXOPLANETS, IT MAY HELP US FIND THE CONSTITUENT PARTS FOR LIFE, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT A LIFE

NDER ITSELF. JUDY: ANOTHER THING YOU WERE TELLING US IS THIS NEW TELESCOPE IS ABLE TO CAPTURE STARS AS THEY ARE BEING BORN AND AS THEY ARE DYING. EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS ABOUT. MILES: YEAH, IT IS KIND OF LIKE DUST TO DUST. LET'S START WITH THE SOUTHERN RING NEBULA. THIS IS A DYING PLANETARY NEBULA, A DYING STAR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE EVER SO FAINTLY A SECOND STAR WHICH ASTRONOMERS HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY SEEN BEFORE. THE INFRARED CAN CUT THROUGH THE CLOUDS, THE DUST. ON THE OTHER END OF THE LIFE SPECTRUM, IF YOU WILL, LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER NEBULA. THIS IS A NEBULA WHICH IS A STAR NURSERY, 7600 LIGHT-YEARS AWAY. THIS IMAGE IS KIND OF EMOTIONAL LOOKING AT IT, IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL. ASTRONOMERS ARE STUNNED BY THE LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THE ABILITY TO SEE THINGS THROUGH THE DUSTY

CLOUDS. THE WEBB DEPUTY PROJECT SCIENTIST FOR COMMUNICATIONS -- >> IN THIS VIEW, WE SEE SOME GREAT EXAMPLES OF HUNDREDS OF NEW STARS THAT WE HAVE NER SEEN BEFORE. WE SEE EXAMPLES OF BUBBLES AND CAVITIES AND JETS THAT ARE BEING BLOWN OUT BY THESE NEWBORN STARS. WE EVEN SEE SOME GALAXIES LURKING IN THE BACKGROUND UP HERE. WE SEE EXAMPLES OF STRUCTURES THAT HONESTLY, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? MILES: THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. WHEN A SCIENTIST SAYS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, THAT MEANS THE INSTRUMENT IS ON THE CUTTING EDGE AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DISCOVERIES AHEAD. JUDY: LAST THING -- THE FACT THAT HUBBLE AND WEBB WILL BE ABLE TO TARGET THE SAME THING, HOW DOES THAT ADVANCE SCIENCE? MILES: ANYTIME YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PLATFORMS LOOKING AT THE SAME OBJECT, SCIENTISTS LOVE THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN VERIFY THEIR DATA. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT SOME OF THESE WEBB IMAGES IS THEY ARE NOT OF NEW LOCATIONS.

WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT SOME OF THESE. LOOK AT STEPHAN'S QUINTET, ABOUT 290 MILLION LIGHT-YEARS AWAY. YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE IT. IT IS THE GALAXY WHICH IS FEATURED IN THE MOVIE "IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE." THAT IS A SIDE THOUGHT. THESE ARE NEVER BEFORE SEEN DETAILS OF FIVE GALAXIES THAT INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER, THIS COSMIC DANCE BETWEEN FOUR OF THEM. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT IS NOT ONLY BEAUTIFUL BUT YOU GET A SENSE OF MOTION AND HOW DYNAMIC IT IS. THEY ARE PULLING AND TUGGING AND BUMPING INTO EACH OTHER, LEAVING TALES OF GAS AND DUST AND STARS. THE GALAXIES, THE UNIVERSE CAN BE A DANGEROUS PLACE. SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT IT AND IT LOOKS SO STATIC AND QUIET, BUT THEN YOU GET A SENSE OF THE REAL ENERGY INVOLVED. JUDY: JUST LIKE A MIRACLE ON TOP OF A MIRACLE. YOU WANT TO HEAR CLASSICAL MUSIC WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE. MILES: YES, WITH THE QUINTET, YEAH. JUDY: WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU HAVE.

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