New Mexico in Focus; 1120; Lalo Alcaraz and Health Literacy

>> FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AND >> THIS WEEK ON NEW MEXICO INFOCUS LALO ALCARAZ TALKS ABOUT HIS SATIRICAL CARTOONS. >> IN MY COMIC STRIP LA CUCARACHA, I AM THE BOSS AND THE GOD OF ALL THESE CHARACTERS IN THE WORLD, CREATOR OF IT AND I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO ANYBODY. >> AND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS HEALTH LITERACY. >> NEW MEXICO INFOCUS STARTS >> WELCOME TO NEW MEXICO INFOCUS. LATER THIS HOUR THE LINE OPINION PANEL WILL EXAMINE THE RESULTS OF A RECENTLY RELEASED SPECIAL AUDIT OF UNM'S ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT. AND WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS CALLS FOR NEW PROCEDURES TO BE FOLLOWED WHEN POLICE INTERACT WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. BUT FIRST, THE LINE LOOKS AT THE RESULTS OF TUESDAYS RUN-OFF ELECTION HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE.

>> WELCOME TO THE LINE. ALBUQUERQUE ELECTED A NEW MAYOR THIS WEEK. SOON AFTER THE POLLS CLOSED AT 7:00 ON TUESDAY, POLITICAL INSIDERS WERE ALREADY CALLING IT A VICTORY FOR TIM KELLER. DAN LEWIS CONCEDED THE AND MR. KELLER MADE A VICTORY SPEECH TO A GATHERING OF SUPPORTERS A LITTLE AFTER THAT. UNOFFICIAL RESULTS SHOW KELLER TAKING 62%, MR. LEWIS 38%. ALSO THAT NIGHT CYNTHIA BORREGO DEFEATED ROBERT ARAGON IN A RUN-OFF ELECTION FOR A SEAT ON THE CITY COUNCIL IN DISTRICT 5. THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE LINE OPINION PANELISTS. I'M JOINED BY FORMER SENATOR, DIANE SNYDER. LAURA SANCHEZ-RIVET. SHE'S AN ATTORNEY AT CUDDY & MCCARTHY, LLP. HARRY VAN BUREN PROFESSOR AT UNM'S ANDERSON SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT. AND FORMER HOUSE MINORITY WHIP DANIEL DOUBLE FIST PUMP FOLEY. >> DIANE, LET ME START WITH YOU. IN MR. KELLER'S SPEECH, HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT INCLUSION, BEATING BACK NEGATIVITY, REJECTION OF NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING AND DIVISION. THAT IS ALL AND WELL AND GOOD AFTER IT IS ALL DONE BUT NOW HE HAS TO MOVE FORWARD AND

GOVERN. LET'S STAY BACK A LITTLE BIT. WHAT DID YOU ATTRIBUTE THIS KIND OF A MANDATE 62% WIN TO? WHAT WORKED WELL FOR TIM KELLER THIS CYCLE? >> I THINK WHAT WORKED WELL FOR TIM KELLER IS THAT HE WAS I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR GOVERNOR, WHICH HAPPENS WITH EVERY GOVERNOR WHEN YOU GET IN THE EIGHTH YEAR. SAME THING, CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. THERE IS STILL A GREAT DEAL OF ANGER ABOUT LOSING FROM DEMOCRATS ABOUT MRS. CLINTON LOSING AND I THINK THAT DID MORE FOR HIM THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK HE MADE A LOT OF PROMISES AND HE KEPT PREACHING ABOUT HOW CLEAN HE WAS AND YET, THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION, THE ETHICS COMMITTEE, SAID, NO, HE WAS GUILTY, BUT THE WORST PART ABOUT THAT WAS, OH, YEAH HE WAS GUILTY OF WRONGDOING, BUT HE JUST DIDN'T MEAN TO. >> HENCE NO FINE.

>> A MINIMUM OF A REPRIMAND SO THAT THERE WAS SOME TRUE SIGNIFICANCE OF NOT DOING IT. AND SO THAT MAKES ME WORRIED ABOUT, WELL, IS IT GOING TO BE TOO EASY TO SAY, OH, WELL, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT. I WISH HIM THE VERY BEST. I THINK TIM IS A NICE GUY. >> WE ARE GOING TO WRESTLE THE FINANCING THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. GOOD TO SEE YOU. WELCOME BACK FROM YOUR OVERSEAS TRIP. AND INTERESTINGLY WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR SINCE YOU WERE AWAY. WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR. >> DON'T TURN YOUR BACK AROUND ALBUQUERQUE. IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT WORKED FOR MR. KELLER AND WHAT DID NOT WORK FOR MR. LEWIS? WAS IT AS SIMPLE AS DEMOCRATS ENJOY A REGISTRATION ADVANTAGE OR WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE IN THE AIR? >> I THINK AS DIANE POINTS OUT THE TREND WAS BETTER FOR DEMOCRATS THAN IT WAS FOR REPUBLICANS, BUT I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS GOING ON. INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE POLICE UNION, THE FIRE UNION

AND A BUNCH OF OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT MAKE ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FINANCING ISSUES AND THE IN-KIND SORTS OF THINGS LATER ON, BUT I NEVER SAW A PERIOD OF THE RACE IN WHICH DAN LEWIS WAS GOING TO WIN BECAUSE IT ALWAYS STRUCK ME THAT HIS FLOOR AND CEILING WERE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE ENDORSED, SAY, BY A PROMINENT LOCAL PASTOR WHO SAYS I AM ENDORSING YOU BECAUSE YOU WON'T SUPPORT THE GAY AGENDA. I NEVER UNDERSTAND WHERE THE GAY AGENDA IS, WHERE I CAN FIND A COPY, BUT LEAVING THAT ASIDE, I THINK IT MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR DAN LEWIS TO BROADEN THE BASE AND GET SUPPORT HE NEEDED TO OVERCOME ALL INSTITUTIONAL ADVANTAGES THAT TIM KELLER HAD. >> GOOD POINT THERE. LAURA, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR MR. LEWIS NEEDED A BUNCH OF INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE A TOUGH ROAD. IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR HIM. WAS IT MORE THAN JUST SOMETHING IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW? I AM TRYING TO FIGURE THIS

OUT. WAS THERE SOMETHING PARTICULAR TO MR. KELLER'S MESSAGE THAT RANG? >> WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO ELECTION THAT OCCURRED IN OCTOBER. GOING INTO THAT HE HAD A STRONG GROUND GAME AND DID A LOT IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK BY BLOCK, I THINK -- >> TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERS. >> HE HAD A HUGE GROUND GE AND THAT HELPED HIM PEEL OFF SUPPORT -- HE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING. SO, HE DIDN'T GET TO THAT 60% OFF, BUT HE CERTAINLY HAD A WIDE MARGIN IN A LOW TURNOUT ELECTION, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS. THAT SORT OF GROUND GAME, MAKING SURE YOUR PEOPLE COME OUT TO VOTE, MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE AND DEFINITELY HE FOCUSED ON THAT A LOT, DESPITE HE HAD THE ISSUE THAT DIANE BRINGS UP ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCING. EVEN IN THAT PART OF THE ELECTION AND THAT WAS IN THE NEWS AND EVERYTHING, BUT, THE LOCAL MESSAGE, THE REAL SORT OF RETAIL POLITICS AT THE DOORSTEP MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR HIM AND PEOPLE CONTINUED TO SUPPORT HIM ONCE HE WENT INTO THE RUNOFF. >> WE HAD AN INTERESTING

BALLOT INITIATIVE HE RODE A LITTLE BIT, A LOT OF DOOR-TO-DOOR KNOCKING WITH THOSE FOLKS, WORKED OUT WELL FOR HIM. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MR. LEWIS ON THIS. HE AND WAYNE JOHNSON AND IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED THAT MR. JOHNSON MAY HAVE SPILLED OFF SOME MORE OF THE HARDER EDGE RIGHT VOTE? AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK ON THAT NEVER CAME BACK TO MR. LEWIS DURING THE RUNOFF? >> WHAT HAPPENED? >> IT IS CLEAR REPUBLICANS HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER AND WE DIVIDE AND CONQUER OURSELVES. WE HAVE A PRIMARY, TWO REPUBLICANS RUN, THE WINNER USUALLY NEVER GETS THE LOSERS' PEOPLE TO COME ON BOARD. DEMOCRATS DO A FAR BETTER JOB OF BEATING THE ABSOLUTE HOLY BAJEEBERS OUT OF EACH OTHER AND THEN COALESCING IN THE GOT A SOLID FOCUS TO GO WIN. WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE THAT. I THINK RIGHT NOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN NEW MEXICO IS IN A LITTLE BIT OF DISARRAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON.

THERE IS A DISCONNECT SEEMS LIKE BETWEEN THE PARTY AND GOVERNOR. A DISCONNECT BETWEEN PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR. CONGRESSMAN PEARCE AND HIS GROUP SEEM TO BE ALIGNED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE NOT FRIENDS. THE GOVERNOR AND THE OUTGOING ADMINISTRATION. DAN LEWIS KIND OF GOT CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, BUT REGARDLESS OF ANY OF THAT, IT WAS A HUGE UPHILL BATTLE FOR ANY REPUBLICAN AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF RJ BERRY NOT DELIVERING, PROMISING CERTAIN THINGS, REALLY TURNING HIS BACK ON A LOT OF ISSUES HE COULD HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON AND I HEARD FROM A LOT OF FRIENDS OF MINE THAT LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE -- THEY WERE REPUBLICANS. WE HAD IT FOR EIGHT YEARS AND DIDN'T DO THAT MUCH FOR US. THEY WERE JUST LIKE -- THEY DIDN'T GO VOTE FOR TIM KELLER. I THINK IT WAS A HUGE HILL. I DO THINK IT IS GOING TO BE AMAZING TO SEE TIM KELLER WITH HIS NEW GENERAL COUNSEL THAT IS GOING TO RUN THE CITY, THAT ATTORNEY, LAURA. I AM ANNOUNCING THAT TODAY. >> BUT, I THINK AT THE END OF

THE DAY, IT WILL BE INTERESTING SEE HOW TIM NOW -- REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT CITY POLITICS AND THE DIVIDE THAT IS GROWING WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, THE DIVIDE WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A -- WHAT IS GROWING IS THE NUMBER OF INDEPENDENTS THAT ARE REGISTERING. YOU LOOK AT THE SUPPORT THAT NOW MAYOR ELECT KELLER RECEIVED, VERY HEAVY LEFT VERY HEAVY PROGRESSIVE AND LIBERAL FAR LEFT. HOW DOES HE COME BACK AND KEEP THOSE FOLKS HAPPY AND ATTRACT THE CENTER RIGHT, MODERATE FOLKS THAT WANT TO BE PART OF IT. SO, IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING. IS HE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND THINK THINGS PAST THAT FAIL ON THE BALLOT LIKE THE SICK LEAVE? HE MADE NO BONES ABOUT. HE IS GOING TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT IT. YOU HAVE THE VOTERS THAT SAID IT WAS BY A CLOSE MARGIN, WE DON'T LIKE THIS, AND NOW YOU HAVE A MAYOR THAT SAYS, I AM GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS. IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO

DELIVER IN THIS. >> TALK ABOUT MONEY AND STAY WITH YOU REAL QUICK. IT SEEMED LIKE MR. KELLER PROVED AN INTERESTING POINT WITH PUBLIC FINANCING UNTIL YOU FACTORY IN ALL THE OTHER MONEY THAT CAME IN THROUGH THESE PACS AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE PUBLIC FINANCING? >> I THINK IT PROVES MY POINT THAT I HAVE ALWAYS SAID ABOUT PUBLIC FINANCING. IT DOESN'T WORK. WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE SOMEONE -- WHAT I DO FIND BEING THE BROKEN RECORD ON -- IS I AM TIRED OF POLITICIANS WHO SAY I STAND FOR SOMETHING AND DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE THE CLEAN GUY AND YOU ARE ALL FOR PUBLIC FINANCING, WIN OR LOSE WITH PUBLIC FINANCING. DON'T DECIDE HALF WAY THROUGH THE RACE THAT IT IS NOT WORKING AND HOW CAN YOU OBFUSCATE THE RULES. >> LAURA, NOT MANY PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN THAT ROUTE AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE CLEAN AND OUT OF INFLUENCE OF MONEY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SOMETHING DIDN'T QUITE THERE. >> I ALSO THINK, I MEAN, IN ALL FAIRNESS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE SORT OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THAT CONTEXT. I THINK HIS MESSAGE AND COMMITMENT TO RUN UNDER PUBLIC FINANCING AND THERE WAS ALSO SERIOUS MISSTEPS BY HIS

CAMPAIGN. AND THAT CAME OUT DURING THE INVESTIGATION, CAMPAIGN REPORTING. THERE WERE THINGS THE CAMPAIGN, MANAGEMENT CONSULTING FIRM WAS DOING IN TERMS OF GETTING THOSE KINDS OF SO-CALLED IN-KIND DONATIONS FROM PEOPLE, THAT IT WASN'T CLEAR, AT LEAST TO ME, EVERYTHING THAT I READ AND WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, THAT TIM KELLER WAS INVOLVED NECESSARILY. BUT IT WAS CLEARLY HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER. TAKE A STEP BACK AND CLEARLY THE CANDIDATE NEEDED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHOEVER IS ON HIS STAFF, BUT THAT SPEAKS TO THE BIGGER ISSUE OF WHO ARE THEY HIRING AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING. >> WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE ACTUAL GOVERNANCE OF IT, AND AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WORK ON A CAMPAIGN, YOU END UP WITH PATRONAGE JOBS. HOW MANY OF THOSE FOLKS ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE INTO YOUR ADMINISTRATION. AND HOW CLOSELY ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING? >> WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE HERE, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS MONEY THING? ARE WE GOING TO REAPPROACH PUBLIC FINANCE? IS THERE A CEILING THAT NEEDS TO BE RAISED TO BE COMPETITIVE? WHAT IS THE DEAL HERE? >> IT MAY BE WELL -- IF WE HAVE PUBLIC FINANCING, WE MAY

NEED TO RAISE THE CEILING BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THE IN-KIND DONATIONS BUT ALSO ALL THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THERE IS A WHOLE SET OF CASES RELATED TO WHETHER THERE WAS COORDINATED OR NOT. I, IN THEORY, AM A BIG FAN OF PUBLIC FINANCING BUT THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION SHOWS THERE IS MAJOR PROBLEMS AND HOW WE MONITOR IT. >> SENATOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK THAT THE THING THAT STRUCK ME IS THE FACT THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER OR THE MAYOR'S STAFF SAID, WELL, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT. I AM GOING, OKAY, WELL, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN? AND WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE WHEN PUBLIC FINANCING WAS DISCUSSED IN THE LEGISLATURE, THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT. IF YOU TAKE PUBLIC FINANCING, THAT'S IT. >> WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF A SPECIAL AUDIT ON THE UNM >> LALO ALCARAZ IS A MEXICAN

AMERICAN CARTOONIST AND WRITER WHOSE WORK HAS APPEARED IN NEWSPAPERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SAN DIEGO BORN ARTIST RECENTLY JOINED THE PIXAR ANIMATION STUDIO AS A CONSULTANT FOR THE FILM COCOA. MOVIE IS BASED ON THE MEXICAN HOLIDAY, THE DAY OF THE DEAD. HE HAS JOINED NEW MEXICO INFOCUS CORRESPONDENT RUSSELL CONTRERAS TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AND HIS CARTOONING IN THE AGE OF PRESIDENT DONALD >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US HERE AND COMING TO VISIT US HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. >> YOU ARE COMING TO THIS CITY BORDER TOWNS, A TV SHOW, AND NOW YOU'RE ON THIS PIXAR PROJECT. HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT? >> I ONLY TAKE THESE JOBS SO I CAN COME TO ALBUQUERQUE AND PROMOTE THEM SO THAT I CAN EAT SOME LOCAL FOOD. BUT I WAS -- THE YEAR WAS 2013 AND WALT DISNEY COMPANY TRIED LOS MUERTOS, AND FOR A PROJECT, A MOVIE, THAT AT THAT TIME WAS DIA DE LOS MUERTOS

WAS THE WORKING TITLE. THERE WAS BIG BACKLASH OF ONLINE CHICANO, LATINO COMMUNITY AND ALSO I DREW A CARTOON CALLED MORPHO MOUSE TO HELP ALONG THE PROTESTS ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT CULTURAL APPROPRIATION. AND DISNEY RIGHTFULLY SENT BACK AND SAT DOWN AND WITHDREW THE APPLICATIONS FOR THIS TRADEMARK AND ABOUT A YEAR AFTER THAT I GOT A CALL FROM THE PREVIOUS PRODUCER OF THE MOVIE WHICH DAN HAD CHANGED THE NAME TO COCO. AND IT WAS STILL A DAY-OF-THE-DEAD THEME MOVIE BY PIXAR AND THEY ASKED IF I WOULD BE -- IF I WOULD CONSIDER BEING A CULTURAL CONSULTANT ON THE FILM. >> NOW, SINCE WE ARE DEALING WITH DAY OF THE DEAD, THERE ARE LOT OF LAND MINES ONE CAN GET INVOLVED IN BUT WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO THIS PROJECT? >> I WAS PRETTY AMAZED THAT

THEY WOULD WANT MY ADVICE. USUALLY, I AM A BIG CRITIC OF BIG COMPANIES, BUT THEY WERE OFFERING ME A CHANCE TO HAVE REAL INPUT AND I ASKED IS THIS FOR REAL, YOU KNOW. IS THIS LIP SERVICE, YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY ME OFF AND WILL YOU LISTEN TO MY ADVICE, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY, YES. AND I ALSO ASKED, WILL YOU BE DOING BROWN FACING IN THIS MOVIE. WILL SCARLET JOHANSEN BE DOING THE VOICE OF THE MEXICAN ABUELITA? THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT. I SAID SIGN ME UP. >> REALLY, THOUGH, IT WAS ABOUT THE CHANCE TO HAVE INPUT ON THIS PROJECT. IT IS A GLOBAL MOVIE. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DAY OF THE

DEAD. IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT DAY OF THE DEAD CELEBRATIONS IN THE U.S. IT IS SET IN MEXICO, BUT, THE PROJECT IS A GIANT PIXAR DISNEY PRODUCTION AND IT IS LIKE RECORDED IN LIKE 50 SOMETHING LANGUAGES. IT WILL LAST A LONG TIME. AND ONCE YOU PLOP IT DOWN, THAT IS IT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. SO, I THOUGHT I NEED TO GET MY FINGERS IN THERE IF I CAN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT A CULTURAL DISASTER OR SOMETHING HARMFUL AND THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT MY KIDS COULD WATCH AND THEIR KIDS WILL BE WATCHING IT AND IMPLANTED IN THEIR BRAIN IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DEVICES ARE UNKNOWN TO MAN. >> TAKE US INTO THE WORLD HOLLYWOOD. HOW CAN THIS HAVE AN AFFECT ON THE PROJECT WHEN THEY ARE DEALING WITH ETHNIC AMERICA,

THE ETHNIC AMERICAS? >> BEING A CONSULTANT IS ONE OF THE LOWEST RUNG NEXT TO THE INTERN, YOU KNOW. AND, BUT I THINK THAT IN THIS CASE -- FUNNY STORY, I WAS DOING A GIG OUT SPEAKING AT MIAMI DADE COLLEGE, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION ACTUALLY, AND MY HOST THERE WAS A PROFESSOR OF AFRICAN ART, A JEWISH GUY AND HE TOLD ME, OH, YEAH, JUST FINISHED BEING A CULTURAL CONSULTANT FOR DISNEY. I SAID REALLY? YEAH, I WAS A CONSULTANT ON MOANA. I SAID, WOW, THAT MOVIE CAME OUT GREAT. YOU KNOW, AND GUESS WHAT, I'M THE CONSULTANT FOR COCO AND I HOPE -- HE HAD A GREAT IMPACT ON THAT MOVIE BUT IN THIS SPECIAL CASE IT IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE

HOLLYWOOD NOT HISTORICALLY MAKING FILMS ABOUT BROWN-SKINNED PEOPLE AND NOT DOING IT RIGHT, WHICH IS WHY I JUMPED IN AND SAID, WE CAN'T KEEP REPEATING THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST. WE HAVE TO DO IT THE WAY I WOULD DO IT AND TO PIXAR'S CREDIT, THEY WERE ALREADY BENDING OVER BACKWARDS BECAUSE OF THE TRADEMARK THING. THEY WANT THIS MOVIE TO BE DONE RIGHT. IT IS PIXAR. THEY RESEARCHED. SO IT WAS NO SURPRISE IN THAT, YOU KNOW. >> THIS FILM HAS BEEN SHOWN TO SELECTED AUDIENCES IN ITS EARLY DAYS. HOW HAS IT BEEN RECEIVED SO FAR?

>> WELL, IN THE U.S., IT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO SELECTIVE AUDIENCES AND GETTING GREAT RESPONSES, BUT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, OF PIXAR'S CARE, THEY WANTED THE FILM TO DEBUT IN MEXICO BECAUSE THE FILM IS ABOUT MEXICAN TRADITION AND ONE OF ITS MOST BELOVED TRADITIONS. DIA DE LOS MUERTOS, DIA DE MUERTOS AS THEY SO CALL IT IN MEXICO. WE USE BOTH VERSIONS IN THE FILM. IT OPENED UP AT THE MORELIA FILM FESTIVAL IN OCTOBER TO RAVE REVIEWS AND THEN IT OPENED UP -- ACTUALLY, I WENT TO MEXICO CITY TO THE MEXICAN PREMIER AT THE PALACIO BELLAS ARTES. AGAIN, MUCH VERY WELL RECEIVED AND YOU COULD HEAR ALL THE MEXICANOS CRYING IN THE SECTION NEXT TO US BECAUSE IT WAS A BENEFIT FOR INDIGENOUS -- A MUSIC PROGRAM FOR AN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY IN

SOUTHERN MEXICO, BUT THEN IT OPENED UP NATION WIDE IN MEXICO AROUND THE 27TH OF OCTOBER. THEY WERE BLOWN AWAY BY IT. THERE WAS LINES AROUND THE BLOCK TO GO SEE IT. THE TICKETING SYSTEM FOR ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHAINS IN MEXICO CRASHED BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND TO SEE THE FILM. REVIEWS HAVE BEEN WILD AND PEOPLE ARE JUST AMAZED THAT IT IS FINALLY A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE ABOUT MEXICO DONE RIGHT. >> YOU HAVE BEEN A CARTOONIST MOST OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL LIFE. WHAT IS IT THAT ATTRACTED YOU TO CARTOONS? BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING THAT BEING A CONSULTANT ON THIS FILM, IT IS JUST LIKE BEING ON THIS TEAM AND THE FILM MAKERS WERE SUPER GENEROUS ABOUT ALWAYS

INCLUDING US IN THE MIX AND STUFF. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER FILM IS A VERY COLLABORATIVE ART FORM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE MANY, MANY THESE, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS. AND, I LIKE CARTOONING BECAUSE IT IS OPPOSITE OF THAT, BECAUSE I AM -- SOMETIMES I HAVE NOT BEEN KNOWN AS THE BEST COLLABORATOR AND I LIKE HAVING, LIKE, DOING MY COMIC STRIP LA CUCARACHA, I AM THE BOSS AND THE GOD OF ALL THESE CHARACTERS IN THIS WORLD. I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO ANYBODY. EVEN MY EDITOR DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DRAW. SHE CHECKS MY STRIP FOR TYPOS AND BAD JOKES, YOU KNOW. THAT IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT BEING A CARTOONIST IS IT IS MY VISION. NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS. I AM ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE

FOR WHATEVER IS ON THE PAGE. >> SATIRE IS ALSO A HUGE PART OF YOUR CARTOONING. I THINK OF DARTH VADER DRESSED IN A ZOOT SUIT, THE CARTOON WITH THE NIKE SYMBOL ON HIS HAT THERE. >> THE ONLY WAY I SEE THE WORLD IS THROUGH THE SATIRICAL LENS AND I THINK NORMALLY I WOULD JUST BE THE FUNNY DRUNK UNCLE IN THE CORNER. MY WHOLE APPROACH IS SATIRICAL. PLUS I THINK, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY NEED TO LAUGH A LITTLE BIT. AND I DON'T MEAN THE PBS COMMUNITY. >> YOU HAVE BEEN WRITTEN A

NUMBER OF CARTOONS THAT HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT EVEN AS A CANDIDATE THAT MADE HIM AN EASY TARGET FOR YOU? >> OH, GOD, WELL, I MEAN HE IS BUILT FOR BEING AN EASY TARGET. BECAUSE HE IS A POMPOUS JACKASS AND ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A DANGEROUS RACIST PERSON. AND DOESN'T KNOW THE EFFECT THAT HIS WORDS HAVE, DOESN'T CARE, ABOUT THE EFFECTS THAT HIS WORDS HAVE. UP AND, YOU KNOW, HATE CRIMES BETWEEN CHILDREN? I MEAN NOT JUST ON CHILDREN, NOT JUST ADULTS BUT IN HIGH SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE IN KIDS FEELING OKAY TO PICK ON BROWN KIDS, IT IS JUST -- THIS GUY IS RIPE TO BE TAKEN DOWN. THAT IS WHAT CARTOONING, POLITICAL CARTOONING IS ALL ABOUT, IS TAKING DOWN BIT

FAT BLOATED SELF IMPORTANT PEOPLE. >> YOU HAVE ALSO GOTTEN SOME PUSHBACK FROM LATINOS AND LATINO ACTIVISTS. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT AND DO YOU FEEL THAT HAS BEEN HURTFUL OR JUST PART OF THE GIG? >> SHOOT, MAN, SINCE I WAS LIKE 20 SOMETHING DOING CARTOONS AND WRITING A SATIRICAL MAGAZINE WHICH WAS A SATIRICAL MAGAZINE I WROTE WITH A FRIEND YEARS AGO, WE USED TO CALL IT A MAD MAGAZINE FOR MAD MEXICANS. EVEN SINCE THOSE DAYS, THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL COME UP TO US AND GO PAYASO, THE CLOWN. THERE IS SOME PEOPLE AND SOME ACTIVISTS, AND SOME NON-ACTIVISTS THAT DO NOT HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR ABOUT OUR SITUATION OR ABOUT OUR CULTURE AND CANNOT TAKE A JOKE. THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THOSE

PEOPLE. MY TARGETS ARE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY EDIT MYSELF IN THAT DEPARTMENT. NOW THE BIGGEST DANGER OUT THERE IS TRUMP AND HIS CRONIES BUT BACK IN THE DAY I USED TO DO A LOT MORE CARTOONS ABOUT MEXICAN-AMERICAN CULTURE, ABOUT CHICANO CULTURE AND, YEAH, PEOPLE GET SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW. WE LIVE IN SITUATION HERE WHERE WE ARE NOT IN THE MAJORITY AND ANY MINUTE NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE MAJORITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO FEEL CORNERED SOMETIMES AND NOT ON TOP ALL THE TIME AND I CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE HYPERSENSITIVITY, BUT TO ME I HAVE THIS RULE, LIKE, IF IT IS OKAY IN MEXICO, IT SHOULD BE OKAY HERE. OR, IF IT HAPPENS IN MEXICO, IT CAN HAPPEN HERE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IN NEW MEXICO, BECAUSE NEW MEXICO, LATINOS ARE ALMOST A MAJORITY HERE IN NEW MEXICO.

HAVE YOU HAD A DIFFERENT RESPONSE? >> I LOVE NEW MEXICO BECAUSE IT IS THE CHICANO STATE. DESPITE HOW MANY PEOPLE CLAIM SPANISH HERITAGE, WE KNOW THAT IS A RUNNING JOKE IN THE CHICANO COMMUNITY AROUND THE COUNTRY, IF YOU'RE FROM NEW MEXICO, YOU'RE RELATED TO CORTEZ AND THAT IS IT. WHATEVER. I CAN HEAR THE PHONE CALLS NOW. I AM SURE IT IS TRUE IN SOME CASES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IT IS SUCH A LAID BACK STATE, I LOVE IT. AND BECAUSE EVERYBODY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW. LIKE, I GET THE SAME FEELING IN LA. YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS MEXICAN. NO ONE IS RUNNING AROUND THROWING FIRE BOMBS AT YOU. IT IS ALL RIGHT. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO NEW MEXICO 25, 30 YEARS AGO TO PERFORM THE CHICANO SECRET SERVICE, IT FELT DIFFERENT. IT FELT LIKE EVERYONE WAS A LITTLE MORE SEGREGATED THAN

THEY ARE TODAY. AM I CRAZY. I FELT LIKE THE MEXICANS HATED THE WHITE PEOPLE AND THE INDIANS HATED THE MEXICANS AND ALSO THE WHITE PEOPLE AND IT FELT LIKE TENSE BEFORE. AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN IT HASN'T BEEN 500 YEARS SINCE I WAS FIRST HERE, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE A LITTLE MORE BLENDING AND PEOPLE HAVE CHILLED OUT A LITTLE BIT. SO, I DON'T KNOW. I AM CRAZY. I AM FROM LA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING ON. >> YOU GOING TO END ON THAT? >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE. TIM KELLER MAY BE ALBUQUERQUE'S CHOICE FOR ITS NEXT MAYOR BUT HE IS STILL THE STATE AUDITOR. LAST WEEK HE ALSO MADE THE NEWS WHEN HIS OFFICE RELEASED THE RESULTS OF A SPECIAL AUDIT MEXICO'S ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT. A LIST OF CONCERNS HAVE SURFACED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AS YOU KNOW, BUT THE AUDIT FOUND PROBLEMS THAT GO BACK DECADES ACCORDING TO A PRESS RELEASE. MR. KELLER STATES, QUOTE, A TANGLED WEB OF TRANSACTIONS HAD MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE PUBLIC AND EVEN SOME OF THE

FINANCIAL STAFF OF THE UNIVERSITY TO BE ABLE TO DECIPHER WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT AND VARIOUS SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS. DECADES OF DECENTRALIZATION AND A MAZE OF STRUCTURE HAS CLOUDED FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY AT OUR FLAGSHIP UNIVERSITY. LAURA, THIS IS BIG BITE WHEN YOU BOIL IT DOWN, WHAT HE IS SAYING IS, IT IS A BIG FAT MESS AND NOBODY HAS A HANDLE ON IT HERE. SO, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES THIS PUT THE LOBO CLUB AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT WHEELHOUSE OF UNM'S FINANCES? ARE WE SEEING THE END OF THIS RELATIONSHIP HERE? IS THIS IT? SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. >> I DO THINK THEY NEED TO REVIEW THEIR PROCEDURES, THEIR COMMUNICATIONS, THEY HAVE TO TRANSPARENCY A LITTLE BIT MORE. I DON'T THINK IT IS THE END OF THE RELATIONSHIP. I DON'T THINK THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE UNIVERSITY TO END THAT RELATIONSHIP. THERE IS GOOD THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THE LOBO CLUB AND THAT

RELATIONSHIP AND IT IS NOT UNIQUE. THERE ARE OTHER UNIVERSITIES THAT HAVE A FOUNDATIONAL ARM, BOOSTER SORT OF ATHLETIC CLUB LIKE THAT, BUT, CERTAINLY OTHER UNIVERSITIES DO IT BETTER IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT RUNNING INTO THESE PROBLEMS. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, AS I LOOK AT IT, I SHOULD SAY OUR FIRM REPRESENTS A LOT OF SEVERAL UNIVERSITIES AROUND THE STATE, NOT UNM, BUT, AS I SAY, IT IS NOT A UNIQUE ISSUE TO HAVE THAT OUTSIDE FOUNDATION SUPPORT BUT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT BRIGHT LINE IS. >> INTERESTINGLY, AS WE READ THE STORIES HERE, ONE OF THE ANECDOTES THAT JUMPED OUT, THE AUDIT FOUND 23 PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED DONOR PERKS WHO NEVER DONATED TO UNM. THAT IS AN AMAZING AMOUNT. TWO OR THREE, YOU CAN SEE. BUT 23, IS ANOTHER DEAL. IS THIS ANOTHER SIGN THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE SYSTEMICALLY INSIDE THE UNIVERSITY ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT? AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE REST OF THE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS? >> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S GREAT THE UNM BUSINESS ETHICS MEMBER TO GET BEYOND TO TALK ABOUT AN ETHICAL ISSUE AT UNM.

SO, THAT IS ALWAYS GREAT IT WORKS OUT LIKE THAT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE AUDITORS REPORT -- I TEACH AN ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE SEMINAR EVERY FALL FOR MDA STUDENTS AND ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING YOU ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE, IN TERMS OF REPORTING, IN TERMS OF OVERSIGHT, YOU JUST TAKE THIS REPORT AND SAY, IT DOESN'T DO ANY OF THAT. IN FACT, IT DOES THE DIRECT OPPOSITE. SO, THINGS LIKE THE CASE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WITH PEOPLE GETTING BENEFITS AND NOT BEING DONORS, REALLY SYMPTOMATIC OF A BROADER PROBLEM NOT JUST RELATED TO INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL BUT ULTIMATELY RELATED TO THE STRONG STRUCTURE IN REPORTING SO THERE IS LACK OF -- >> LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE. HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A TREASURER? WHO IS DOING THE BOOKS? YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST HIRE FOR THESE SITUATIONS, RIGHT? >> HOW DOES IT HAPPEN? NOBODY KNOWS. HOW IT HAPPENS BECAUSE IT JUST

SEEMS SO COMPLETELY IMPLAUSIBLE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DISORDER POSITION AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT IS SEPARATE FROM THE UNIVERSITY BUT IT ISN'T SEPARATE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT TIM KELLER WAS POINTING OUT, YOU HAD COMMINGLING OF FUNDS, YOU BRING ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AND IT IS REALLY THE WORST OF ALL WORLDS. YOU HAVE A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL OVER THIS OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION THAT THEN GETS IMPUTED BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY AND MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LINE IS. >> WE HAVE THINGS LIKE COACHES BEING OVERPAID, MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A CIRCULAR OF THE MONEY JUST SORT OF GOING AROUND AND AROUND AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS GOING. >> ANY TIME YOU DO THAT YOU GET IN TROUBLE. IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE IN MANY CASES WITHIN CORPORATIONS OR ORGANIZATIONS, ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS, WHERE THE CREDIT CARDS, AND I AM PULLING A NAME OUT OF THE HAT, WHERE THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR OR HEAD UNIVERSITY CREDIT CARDS FOR PAY FOR EXPENSES AND THEN THE FINANCIAL PERSON WHO DOESN'T

EXIST ALLOCATES THAT APPROPRIATELY. THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL AND NOT ILLEGAL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME, AND I LOOKED AT THIS AND I AM GOING, IF I HAD BEEN TIM KELLER AND I STARTED SEEING ALL THESE THINGS, HE WAS DOING WHAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS CALLED A REGULATORY AUDIT. WHERE NOT A FORENSIC AUDIT. THE STATE AUDITOR CANNOT BRING CHARGES AGAINST SOMEONE. IT HAS -- THE RECOMMENDATION HAS TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. BUT, IF I STARTED SEEING ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS, WHY DIDN'T HE STOP RIGHT THERE AND SAY, MR. BALDERAS, WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS HERE AND INSTEAD OF WASTING THE MONDAY TO COMPLETED A REGULATORY AUDIT, MOVE IT TO A FORENSIC AUDIT. >> INTERESTING POINT THERE. >> I THINK A COUPLE THINGS, IT IS INTERESTING WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT THE ELECTIONS, RIGHT?

HERE IS A GUY RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF ALBUQUERQUE, CLEARLY, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SUPPORT UNM ATHLETICS, CLEARLY HASN'T HURT HIM. NO. 2, IS TO DOC'S POINT ABOUT WE KEEP SAYING, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? THIS IS NOT -- I AM NOT GIVING HIM A PASS. THIS IS NOT SOME GUY THAT DECIDED TO RUN FOR STATE LEGISLATURE THAT SAYS I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF. THEY GOT GUYS LIKE THIS AT THE UNIVERSITY AND I DON'T GIVE HIM SUCH A PASS LIKE, REALLY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. I THINK WE HAVE ANSWERED THE OWN QUESTION. THIS WAS SET UP THE WAY IT WAS SET UP TO DO EXACTLY WHAT IT DID. THE PROBLEM IS THEY GOT CAUGHT. SO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE FOLKS LIKE THE FOUNDATIONS KIND OF TAKING A HIT RIGHT NOW. THEIR DIRECTOR IS LEAVING. WHEN THE REPORTS ALL SAY THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, LONG BEFORE COLEMAN CAME ON BOARD. IT IS A SHAME WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO COLEMAN WHEN HE IS A NEW MEXICO GUY, GREW UP, WENT TO SCHOOL HERE, PLAYED FOOTBALL HERE, BECAME PART OF THE FOUNDATION AND I THINK

REALLY THE PROBLEM LIES WITH TWO PLACES. AND I THINK THESE TWO PEOPLE SHOULD BE HELD -- THESE TWO GROUPS SHOULD BE HELD AT UNBELIEVABLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS. ONE, PAUL KREBS, FORMER ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. NONE OF THIS IS A SURPRISE. DOING. THIS WHAT HE DOES. THIS IS THE WAY HE DID IT. THEY LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. THE OTHER PEOPLE I THINK SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND EVEN MORE THAN PAUL KREBS, THE BOARD OF REGENTS. HOW DO THEY OPERATE WITHOUT KNOWING THISTF GNG ALL HAVE TO REMR S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS REARED ITS HEAD. A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS A KIND A SNIP AROUND A PROBLEM AND WE LET THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR SAY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. EVERYBODY WENT AWAY. >> ONE THING I AGREE WITH WHAT DAN IS SAYING, AND PAUL KREBS OBVIOUSLY HAS SOME RESPONSIBILITY HERE, BUT THE UNIVERSITY IN GENERAL NEEDS TO TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS ENTIRE SAGA THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON THAT I FIND TROUBLING IS A STORY ABOUT AN IPRA REQUEST THAT THE JOURNAL

HAD PUT IN TO TRY TO GET COMMUNICATIONS THAT PAUL KREBS HAD AND THERE WAS A STORY JUST, I THINK IN THE LAST WEEK, THAT THE UNIVERSITY ACTUALLY ALLOWED PAUL KREBS' ATTORNEY TO VET EMAILS THAT KREBS HAD SENT ON THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM BEFORE THEY ALLOWED -- BEFORE THEY RELEASED THOSE EMAILS AS PUBLIC DOCUMENTS. >> HOW OUT OF THE ORDINARY IS THAT FOR AN IPRA REQUEST? WHAT IS THE INAPPROPRIATENESS AT ITS ROOT. >> WHAT THEY WERE ARE ARGUING IS THAT THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THEY DIDN'T VIOLATE SOME KIND OF ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE BECAUSE SOME OF THE EMAILS KREBS HAD SENT HAD BEEN TO HIS ATTORNEY WHO ALSO WAS GENE GALLEGOS, WHO WAS A BOARD OF REGENTS. HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF REGENTS AT ONE POINT AND NOW HE'S REPRESENTING PAUL KREBS ON THIS ISSUE. TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. IT IS A UNIVERSITY SYSTEM. PUBLIC EMAIL SYSTEM, AND EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE UNIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, HAS TO SIGN AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THEY HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD OR

THEY HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE MANUAL WHICH SHOULD IN THERE SAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY, AND IT IS SUBJECT IPRA REQUESTS. AND SO IF YOU'RE USING YOUR PUBLIC EMAILS, ANYBODY, IF YOU'RE USING PUBLIC WORK EMAIL FOR ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE COMMUNICATING, LIKE YOU'RE RIDICULOUS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU SHOULD NEVER DO. >> IMMATURE MOVE WITH CAPITAL A. >> REAL QUICK, WE ARE OUT OF TIME. WE HAVE A NEW ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TAKE GIGS AS THIS POSITION AS ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. WOULD DO THEY NEED TO DO FIRST THING? HE IS MAKING VERY POSITIVE -- >> POSITIVE -- I KNOW HE HAS GOT TO REMEDY THE PROBLEM OF LOW TRUST, SO, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING DONATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE CAME IN ABOUT THE CASE OF PEOPLE DONATING TO THE SKI TEAM AND PART OF THAT GOING TO A SCHOLARSHIP FOR WOMEN'S BASKETBALL. THE NAME OF THE GAME IN ANY SORT OF FUND RAISING IS TRUST.

IF I GIVE YOU MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO USE IT FOR THE PURPOSE THAT I WAS INTENDING THAT IT BE USED FOR? HE HAS GOT TO HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF TRANSPARENCY, SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT IN STATE AUDITORS REPORT ABOUT THE OPAQUE NATURE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I AGREE WITH DAN IT WAS SERVING A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, BUT THAT JUST IS NOT GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE IN TERMS OF GENERATING A TRUST. HE HAS GOT TO RESTORE TRUST IN AND THE WAY HE HAS GOT TO DO THAT IS JUST WITH REALLY RADICAL TRANSPARENCY. >> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. >> HE WANTS TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL AND WE JOKE WHEN I SAY THIS, HE HAS SOMEONE AT THE UNIVERSITY RIGHT NOW THEY SHLDE LLG. I AM SURPREDE VENE LI TS,HAWENO HIS ON THE SHOW CONSTANTLY,E HERE A LOT. SOMETIMES MORE THEN HE SHOULD BE, JUST KIDDING DOC. CLEARLY THIS IS RIGHT IN THE REALM OF WHAT HIS EXPERTISE IS. HE HAS BEEN FLOWN AROUND THE WORLD TO DELIVER SPEECHES AND HELP PEOPLE DO THIS AND THE UNIVERSITY THAT HE WORKS AT HASN'T PICKED UP PHONE TO SAY CAN YOU COME ON OVER AND HELP US OUT. I THINK IT SHOWS YOU THE LEVEL OF ARROGANCE.

>> GOOD POINT. ANOTHER UNM NAME, HE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AT THIS TABLE, RICH BRODY. TREMENDOUS GUY AT UNM. HE DOES FORENSIC ACCOUNTING. >> EXACTLY. NOW, WE HAVE TO END IT THERE. HAVE YOU EVER SAT IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR A HOSPITAL AND LISTENED TO A MEDICAL PROVIDER TALK ABOUT YOUR OPTIONS BUT NOT REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. NAVIGATING THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS CHALLENGING BUT INCREASING WHAT IS KNOWN AS HEALTH LITERACY IN NEW MEXICO MIGHT HELP MORE PEOPLE ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR LOVED ONES, AND ENSURE THEY GET THE SERVICES THEY NEED. THIS WEEK, PRODUCER SARAH GUSTAVUS LOOKS AT WHAT HEALTH LITERACY IS AND WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES OF >> HEALTH LITERACY IS ABOUT MAKING SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS COMPLEX IDEAS AND USES THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE THEMSELVES HEALTHIER. TWO EXPERTS WITH ME TODAY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS. KATHRYN ANDERSON, SENIOR HEALTH LITERACY SPECIALIST IN THE OFFICE OF DIVERSITY AT UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO HOSPITAL.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE. AND LISA LOSTETTER, A NURSE AND LACTATION SPECIALIST. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> KATHRYN, START WITH YOU, LET'S DEFINE HEALTH LITERACY. WHEN WE USE THAT TERM LITERACY, HOW ARE WE USING IT IN THIS CONTEXT FOR HEALTH? >> SO, WE TEND TO ASSOCIATE LITERACY, JUST PLAIN LITERACY, WITH READING AND WRITING SKILLS AND WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH LITERACY, WE ARE OF SKILLS ABOVE AND BEYOND READING AND WRITING. SO, IF YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND HEALTHCARE INFORMATION OR UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR DOCTOR IS SAYING TO YOU, YOU MAY NEED A HIGH LEVEL OF LITERACY SKILLS BUT ALSO NUMERACY SKILLS, THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND NUMBERS, UNDERSTAND BIOLOGY AND SCIENCE, AND THE ABILITY TO NAVIGATE A COMPLEX HEALTH INSURANCE SYSTEM AND SO THE SKILLS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE A HEALTH LITERATE PERSON ARE MANY ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST READING AND WRITING. >> WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE

PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HEALTH LITERATE? >> SO, THE LAST NATIONAL STUDY THAT WAS DONE THAT MEASURED HEALTH LITERACY OF INDIVIDUALS WAS DONE IN 2003 AND THE FINDINGS ARE REALLY STRIKING. THE MOST AMAZING NUMBER IS THAT ONLY ABOUT 12% OF U.S. ADULTS ARE CONSIDERED PROFICIENT WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH LITERACY. AND WHEN YOU MATCH THAT UP WITH THE FACT THAT HOSPITAL SYSTEMS, HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS ARE REALLY COMPLEX ORGANIZATIONS, THERE IS A REAL MISMATCH BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO CAN NAVIGATE THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, 12% OF US, AND THE REST OF US WHO HAVE A VARYING DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR HEALTH, SO, ABOUT 1/3 OF U.S. ADULTS ARE AT BASIC OR BELOW BASIC WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH LITERACY.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE SHOCKING. >> WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILIES THAT YOU WORK WITH, WHAT DO YOU SEE? >> YOU KNOW, I WORK MAINLY IN NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE UNIT, CALLED THE NICU, AND THERE IS THAT ARE SICK OR PRETERM AND I SEE A LOT OF FAMILIES COMING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME AND BEING TOTALLY OVERWHELMED BY THE TECHNOLOGY AND ALL THE MACHINES AND CORDS AND THEY HEAR BEEPING AND THEY GET SCARED. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT MEANS. SO IT IS REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION IN WAYS THEY CAN UNDERSTAND SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, OH, THAT BEEP JUST MEANS WE NEED TO PLUG IN THE IV MACHINE. AND THE BABY IS STABLE. AND THEY CAN TAKE AN ACTIVE PART IN THE HEALTHCARE BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> KATHRYN, CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO MIGHT STRUGGLE WITH HEALTH LITERACY? WHAT MIGHT THAT LOOK LIKE IN A HOSPITAL OR MEDICAL SETTING? >> LET ME GIVE YOU EXAMPLE OF A PERSON WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE GOOD LITERACY SKILLS SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS EQUATE HEALTH LITERACY WITH LITERACY.

YOU MAY HAVE A VERY EDUCATED PERSON, A PERSON WHO HAS ALL KIND OF ADEQUATE SKILLS TO OF THE HEALTHCARE WORLD, BUT COMES IN TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A CLINIC EXAM AND IS FACED WITH A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION, PERHAPS, A NEW DIAGNOSIS, AND SO, THERE IS A LOT THAT THE HEALTHCARE WORKER IS EXPLAINING IN THAT VISIT. AS LISA SAID, THERE MAY BE ALL KINDS OF TECHNOLOGICAL PIECES AROUND. SO THERE IS, FIRST OF ALL, OVERWHELMING INFORMATION VERY OFTEN IN THE HEALTHCARE WORLD. THE INFORMATION THAT COMES IS OFTEN VERY TECHNICAL. WE TEND IN THE HEALTHCARE WORLD TO USE A LOT OF JARGON AND THAT CAN BE, ONCE YOU HEAR A WORD THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, YOUR MIND STOPS LISTENING AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WORD MEANS AND YOU MAY BE THERE UNDER CONDITIONS OF PAIN OR STRESS OR TERRIBLE ANXIETY IF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD

A NEW DIAGNOSIS. SO YOUR ABILITY TO PROCESS THAT HEALTHCARE INFORMATION MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE SITTING AT YOUR KITCHEN TABLE AND WATCHING A DOCUMENTARY. SO, YOU ARE NOT PROCESSING THAT INFORMATION AND AT THE VERY END OF THE VISIT, THE DOCTOR GIVES MEDICATIONS AND TELLS YOU VERBALLY ONCE WHAT THE DOSAGE IS AND HOW TO TAKE THEM AND BY THE TIME YOU GET HOME YOU MAY NOT REMB TT TION SO, YOU MAY END UP TAKING WRONG MEDICATION OR AT E WRONG TIME OR THE WRONG DOSAGE AND SO IT CAN REALLY HAVE A REALLY IMPORTANT IMPACT ON YOUR HEALTH. TO NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. >> YOU MENTION THIS KIND OF OVERWHELMING FEELING OF PARENTS WITH A BABY THAT IS SICK OR IN THE NICU. DO YOU POINT THEM TO PARTICULAR RESOURCES TO READ UP AND LEARN ABOUT SOME OF THE HEALTH CONCERNS AND HEALTH ISSUES OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> WE DO, BUT I THINK THINKING ABOUT IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS IS

HELPFUL. SO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ON THE PARENT TO SAY, OKAY, YOU NEED TO LEARN THIS, TO LOOK AT IT, LIKE, AS NURSES OR AS DOCTORS, IT IS OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING IN WAYS THAT ARE CLEAR THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND AND THEN SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD. SO, ONE TECHNIQUE WE USE IS LIKE KATH WAS TALKING ABOUT, PLAIN LANGUAGE. INSTEAD OF SAYING, OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO DC YOUR BABY'S NG TUBE, WE WOULD SAY, YOUR BABY IS DOING BETTER NOW, WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT THE FEEDING TUBE IN HIS NOSE. AND TEACH BACK IS A TECHNIQUE WE CAN USE TO CHECK FOR PEOPLES' UNDERSTANDING, SO, NOT JUST GIVING INFORMATION AND THEN SAYING, OKAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, SAYING, PROVIDING INFORMATION AND THEN SAYING SOMETHING LIKE, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE GONE OVER A LOT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS CLEAR IN HOW I EXPLAINED IT TO YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW TO MAKE SURE

YOUR BABY IS GETTING ENOUGH MILK? >> YOU MENTIONED SOME PEOPLE HAVE HIGH LEVELS OF LITERACY BUT STILL STRUGGLE. LOTS OF NEW MEXICANS DON'T EVEN HAVE HIGH LEVELS OF LITERACY. IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY YOU MEET OTHER PARENTE ARE AT IF THEY DON'T HAVE AS HIGH LITERACY SKILLS OR EDUCATION. >> ABSOLUTELY. JUST LOOKING AT THE -- NOT LOOKING AT THE WHOLE GROUP AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE BUT EACH FAMILY BEFORE US, WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? ARE THE PARENTS FLUENT IN ENGLISH? IF NOT, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE AN INTERPRETER WHEN SPEAKING TO THEM. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HANDOUTS WE GIVE THEM ARE IN THE LANGUAGE THEY ARE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. BUT, LIKE KATH WAS SAYING AS WELL, EVEN PEOPLE WITH HIGH LITERACY, IT IS STRESSFUL TO HAVE A SICK BABY AND OFTEN, THE MOM'S HAVE JUST GIVEN BIRTH AND OFTEN THEY ARE NOT FEELING WELL EITHER, SO IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLES BACKGROUND, THEY APPRECIATE THE CLARITY OF PLAIN LANGUAGE. THEY APPRECIATE HANDOUTS BEING WRITTEN WITH KEY POINTS RATHER THAN A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY MAYBE DON'T NEED TO KNOW AT THAT

TIME. >> DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, ONE OF THE MAIN RULES OF OUR OFFICE, HEALTH LITERACY OFFICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO HOSPITAL IS TO WORK WITH DOCUMENTS THAT COME FROM UNITS LIKE LISA'S LACTATION UNIT OR ANYWHERE AROUND THE HOSPITAL. SO, WHAT WE DO IS TAKE A DOCUMENT THAT COMES TO US FROM THE CARDIOLOGY LAB OR FROM LACTATION AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THAT DOCUMENT EASY TO SKIM AND SCAN AND GET THE INFORMATION YOU NEED QUICKLY. SO WE BREAK DOWN THE LANGUAGE, WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE TEXT, USUALLY TRY TO REDUCE AMOUNT OF TEXT THAT IS IN A DOCUMENT. WE USE A LOT OF WHITE SPACE. WE ARE VERY CAREFUL TO USE GRAPHICS THAT ARE INFORMATIONAL AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE IS WHEN THE UNIT ITSELF CAN PROVIDE US WITH PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE VERY

SPECIFIC TO THE MACHINE OR TO THE PATIENT. SO, IN OUR OFFICE, WE ARE WORKING ON MORE THAN 100 DOCUMENTS AT ANY ONE TIME AND AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR OF 2017 WE HAVE ACTUALLY COMPLETED ABOUT 172 DOCUMENTS WITH THE GOAL OF GIVING THAT TO BOTH THE STAFF AS A TOOL THAT THEY CAN USE TO HELP CLARIFY BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE PATIENT CAN TAKE HOME AND UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY GET HOME, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT IS WRITTEN IN A VERY HIGH LITERACY LEVEL, YOU MAY HAVE THE INFORMATION BUT YOU CAN'T USE IT IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE NEW MEXICANS WITH LOW LITERACY. >> HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO A LOT OF FOLKS THAT GO ONLINE FOR INFORMATION, MORE ACCESSIBLE, MORE ACCESSIBLE, MORE CONFUSING? >> THERE IS A WHOLE BALL OF WAX THERE THAT WE COULD TALK

ABOUT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS TRUE AND LISA POINTED THIS OUT THIS MORNING IS THE CONCEPT OF HEALTH LITERACY AND AWARENESS OF THE NEED FOR CLEAR COMMUNICATION IS REACHING MORE DEEPLY INTO THE HEALTHCARE WORLD. AND SO THERE IS AN AWARENESS. CMS AND HEALTHCARE.GOV, THEIR WEBSITES ARE ACCESSIBLE AND EASY TO USE. ANOTHER ISSUE IS OF COURSE KNOWING WHAT TO TRUST WHEN YOU GET ON THE INTERNET AND YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO DR. GOOGLE AND FINDING INFORMATION THERE. SO THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND ANOTHER THING WE DO, AS I POINTED OUT, WHEN WE CREATE HANDOUTS AND DOCUMENTS, WE WILL OFTEN REFERENCE SITES THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CAN OFFER ANOTHER WAY OF GETTING THAT INFORMATION. SO, IT IS NOT UNIFORM IN THE INTERNET WORLD IN TERMS OF IS THE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE, BUT WE'RE MAKING SOME STRIDES

IN THAT WAY. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD CHANGE IN NEW MEXICO IF MORE NEW MEXICANS WERE HEALTH LITERAL. >> THERE ARE SOME REALLY SERIOUS OUTCOMES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY LOW HEALTH LITERACY. LOW HEALTH LITERACY MEANS THAT PEOPLE DON'T COME TO THE HOSPITAL AS OFTEN. THEY COME LATER. THEY OFTEN UTILIZE THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. THEY DON'T USE PREVENTIVE CARE. THEIR HEALTH OUTCOMES ARE WORSE IN GENERAL. THEY ARE MORE APT TO MAKE MEDICATION ERRORS. SO, THERE IS A NUMBER OF OUTCOMES THAT COULD BE IMPROVED BY IMPROVING HEALTH LITERACY. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD CHANGE IN NEW MEXICO IF MORE FAMILIES WERE HEALTH LITERATE? >> I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE A LOT HEALTHIER BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY PEOPLE WITH CHRONIC

DISEASES LIKE DIABETES AND HEART DISEASE AND SO MUCH PEOPLE CAN DO TO PREVENT THOSE DISEASES AND OR WHEN THEY HAVE THEM, TO EAT CERTAIN FOODS, AVOID CERTAIN FOODS, HAVE CERTAIN LEVELS OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, TAKE MEDICINES OR INSULIN AT THE RIGHT TIMES AND WHEN THEY HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE, THEY CAN FOLLOW THE STEPS. WHEN THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE INSTRUCTIONS, WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO SO THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET SICKER AND HAVE COMPLICATIONS. >> 1 IN 4 NEW MEXICANS OVER THE AGE OF 45 HAVE MORE THAN ONE CHRONIC CONDITION. AND YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE HOW THAT MULTIPLIES THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS AND USE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE GETTING AND SO THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NEW MEXICO WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM HEALTHCARE ORGANIZATIONS REMOVING BARRIERS TO UNDERSTANDING

HEALTHCARE INFORMATION. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE IT STARTS WITH THE PROVIDERS AND IT IS ALSO COMING TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT TAKING ALSO COMING TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT TAKING CONTROL OF THEIR OWN HEALTH. WE'LL HAVE RESOURCES, HEALTH LITERACY INFORMATION AND WORK THAT YOU DO ON OUR WEBSITE AT NEWMEXICOINFOCUS.ORG. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> WE ARE BACK HERE AT THE LINE. ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN UNDER COURT MANDATE OF REFORMS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW DUE TO INVESTIGATION IN ITS PATTERN OF EXCESSIVE FORCE AND NOW SANTA FE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE FAMILY OF A MAN SUFFERING FROM SCHIZOPHRENIA IS SUING THE CITY AFTER HE WAS FATALLY SHOT BY SANTA FE POLICE THIS SUMMER. THEY SAY THE CITY FAILED TO PROPERLY TRAIN ITS POLICE FORCE IN HOW TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS KNOW IT IS MOVING. THEY ARE ADVOCATING FOR MORE TRAINING OF OFFICERS, DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, BUT THIS SITUATION -- NOT TO GET HUNG UP ON THIS -- YOU HAD FOUR UNIFORMED FOLKS WHO WERE

IN THE BUSINESS OF DEESCALATION, PEOPLE FROM PRESBYTERIAN HEALTH SERVICES THAT WERE ON THE SCENE AND STILL 17 SHOTS WERE FIRED. IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION. I APPRECIATE WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GO WITH THIS BUT THIS WAS MANDATED SOME YEARS AGO FOR POLICE -- WE ARE NOT GETTING THERE. >> WE ARE NOT GETTING THERE AND PART OF IT IS THE TRAINING ONLY GETS SO FAR, IF YOU HAVE REALLY FOCUSING ON CONTROLLING A SITUATION NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY BE A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. IT IS GOING TO BE THE CULTURE THAT WINS OUT OVER THE TRAINING. WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME AND THIS IS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE WE RANK DEAD LAST IN ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTHCARE SERVICE AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SANTA FE. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE ISSUES IN MORE RURAL PARTS OF THE STATE. IT IS NOT TRAINING IN AND OF ITSELF. TRAINING ISN'T ENOUGH BECAUSE IT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE CULTURAL ISSUES IN POLICE WORK. CLEARLY THERE IS A PROBLEM. >> THE STATE POLICE MENTIONS THAT VERY THING, GETTING THE WARRIOR CULTURE PULLED OUT OF

THE STATE POLICE FORCE. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? OBVIOUSLY THE BOYD SITUATION WOKE US UP TO WHAT IS GOING ON. IS THIS FAIR? SHOULD POLICE HAVE TO MANAGE -- THEY ARE PREDICTING HALF THE PEOPLE SHOT IN THE STATE BY POLICE MAY, IN FACT, BE MENTALLY ILL AT THIS POINT. >> I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE FACT AND WE WERE TALKING -- DOC WAS TALKING ABOUT CONTROLLING THE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY THE FIRST APPROACH IS NOT FROM THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED. IT IS A SWAT TEAM MAYBE, AND SO THEY HAVEN'T SPENT AS MUCH TIME. IT IS NOT THE PRESBYTERIAN PEOPLE THERE, OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED IN DE-ESCALATING A SITUATION. AND THEY ARE TRAINED TO BE WARRIORS. THAT IS THE CULTURE THAT THEY LIVE IN. SO, I AGREE WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CULTURE SOME BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET THE TRAINED PEOPLE TO THE SWAT TEAM FAST ENOUGH. >> THAT IS RIGHT.

I MENTIONED AND HARRY MENTIONED ACTUALLY THE 2011 STATE LAW THAT WAS 40 HOURS OF TRAINING BUT THE HANGUP SEEMS TO BE AGAIN THE STATE POLICE HONCHO MENTIONED THIS AS WELL IN THE INTERVIEW IN THE PAPER THAT EVERY TWO YEARS, THERE IS A REFRESHER. THAT IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH IT SEEMS TO ME. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? 40 HOURS AND THEN EVERY TWO YEARS YOU GO BACK FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS WORTH OF TRAINING. IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. >> YEAH, OBVIOUSLY AS AN ATTORNEY I HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS PER YEAR THAT I HAVE TO DO ON CONTINUING EDUCATION, UPA'S HAVE ANNUAL REQUIREMENT, THERE IS SEVERAL PROFESSIONS HAVE TO SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT -- IT IS NOT TO SAY THE POLICE OFFICERS I KNOW HAVE TO DO ANNUAL TRAINING OF VARIOUS THINGS BUT THIS SHOULD BE PART OF IT AS WELL. THIS IS BECOMING MORE FREQUENT AND I THINK ESPECIALLY IN NEW MEXICO WHERE WE HAVE SUCH A LACK OF ADEQUATE HEALTHCARE IN GENERAL, BUT ALSO SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES WITH THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM, IT JUST MAKES SENSE FOR OUR POLICE FORCE TO BE WELL

TRAINED TO IDENTIFY THOSE. >> EXACTLY. ON A CONTINUING BASIS. EVERY TWO YEARS, TWO HOURS EVERY TWO YEARS DOESN'T GET IT DONE. >> BUT IT IS BACK TO, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE BUT WE HAVE THIS ARGUMENT. YOU'RE RIGHT, TWO HOURS HERE, TWO HOURS THERE. PRETTY SOON, THESE GUYS ARE IN TRAINING 38 HOURS A WEEK AND WE ASK THEM TO BE COPS TWO HOURS A WEEK, AND I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE REALITY IS, WE DO HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH MENTAL HEALTH IN THE STATE. IT IS A PROBLEM NATIONALLY, WHEN YOU READ THE ARTICLE AND THEY DISPATCHED ALL THESE PEOPLE. THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DEALING WITH AND SWAT STILL WENT FORWARD. I HOPE -- OBVIOUSLY, OUR SYMPATHIES GO OUT TO THE FAMILY. IT HAS TO BE DIFFICULT TO RAISE A CHILD LIKE THIS AND HAVE IT END LIKE THAT, HAS TO BE DEVASTATING FOR THE PARENTS AND FAMILY. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MOST OF THIS -- NOT ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THIS, I

WOULD HOPE AND I THINK THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE GOT TO BE THINKING RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE DID THIS. THIS IS A SHAME. >> ONE OF THE OFFICERS, 16 TIMES HE SHOT. YOU KNOW. >> THE ONE THING I DIDN'T GET TO THE BOTTOM OF, I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TIME BUT WAS THE INJURED PERSON STILL IN -- WAS THIS ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY WERE FEARING -- >> I DON'T THINK THEY WERE BUT NOT 100%. I WASN'T CLEAR. ANYBODY HAVE A SENSE OF THAT? I WAS WONDERING THE SAME. MY GUESS IS THEY WERE TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH IF THAT HEALTHCARE WAS PREVIOUSLY STABBED BY MR. BENAVIDEZ. >> IF THEY LOCKED THEMSELVES IN OR SITTING ON THE SIDE OF A HILL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE PHILOSOPHY ISN'T JUST STEP BACK. EVENTUALLY THEY GET HUNGRY. SOMEONE IS GOING TO COME OUT. IT IS DIFFERENT IF THEY ARE HOLDING A KNIFE TO SOMEONE'S THROAT AND YOU HAVE TO SAVE SOMEBODY'S LIFE, BUT WE SEEM IN NEW MEXICO TO HAVE AN UNBELIEVABLE ABILITY TO ESCALATE A SITUATION THAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS SIT BACK,

RELAX, TAKE A FEW MINUTES. YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD HAVE LET THESE COUNSELORS COME AND HANDLE IT. IF IT TOOK THREE DAYS, IT TOOK THREE DAYS. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SOMEONE DEAD TODAY. >> THANK YOU ALTHOUGH, GREAT >> I AM GENE GRANT. THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS. AS ALWAYS WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO STAY INFORMED AND ENGAGED. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK, IN