PBS NewsHour; June 4, 2020, 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT

- Captioning sponsored by - NEWSHOUR PRODUCTIONS, LLC - >> Woodruff:OOD EVENING, I'M - JUDY WOODRUFF. - ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT, THE - ONGOING OUTRAGE-- PREDOMINANTLY - PEACEFUL PROTESTS CONTINUE - ACROSS AMERICA DESPITE - OCCASIONAL USE OF FORCE BY - POLICE AND THE PRESENCE OF - NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS AS - MEMORIAL SERVICES BEN FOR - GEORGE FLOYD. - THEN, GENERAL CONCERN-- FORMER - MILITARY LEADERS PUSH BACK AT - THE PRESIDENT'S RHETORIC IN - REGARD TO PEACEFUL ASSEMBLIES. - PLUS, THE COMING NEW REALITY - ABOUT WORK-- SOCIAL DISTANCING - AND THE DESIRE TO WORK FROM HOME - CREATE A POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING - EFFECT ON REAL ESTATE. - >> IMAGINE YOU NOW NEED TWICE AS - MUCH SPACE PER PERSON.

- FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS - PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE REALLY - UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT BEING IN - CLOSE OFFICES. - >> Woodruff: ALL THAT AND MORE - ON TONIGHT'S PBS NEWSHOUR. - >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE PBS - NEWSHOUR HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY: - >> LIFE ISN'T A STRAIGHT LINE, - AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN FIND - YOURSELF HEADING IN A NEW - DIRECTION. - FIDELITY IS HERE TO HELP YOU - WORK THROUGH THE UNEXPECTED, - WITH FINANCIAL PLANNING AND - ADVICE FOR TODAY, AND TOMORROW. - >> CARNEGIE CORPORATION OF NEW - YORK.

- SUPPORTING INNOVATIONS IN - EDUCATION, DEMOCRATIC - ENGAGEMENT, AND THE ADVANCEMENT - OF INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND - SECURITY. - AT carnegie.org. - >> AND WITH THE ONGOING SUPPORT - OF THESE INSTITUTIONS: - AND INDIVIDUALS. - >> THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE - POSSIBLE BY THE CORPORATION FOR - PUBLIC BROADCASTING. - AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS - STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. - THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: THE FORMAL MOURNING - HAS BEGUN FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS - MAN WHOSE DEATH TOUCHED OFF A - TORRENT OF NATIONAL OUTRAGE. - AT THE SAME TIME, PRESIDENT - TRUMP FACES A TORRENT OF - CRITICISM OVER HIS TALK OF USING - THE MILITARY TO QUELL VIOLENCE. - JOHN YANG BEGINS OUR COVERAGE. - >> Yang: IN WASHINGTON, D.C., - >> Reporter: THE FIRST OF

- SEVERAL MEMORIAL SERVICES FOR - GEORGE FLOYD. - JAKE UPFRY KNELTT AT THE COFFIN. - REVEREND AL SHARPTON DELIVERED - THE EWING. - >> GEORGE FLOYD'S STORY HAS BEEN - THE STORY OF BLACK FOLKS - BECAUSE, EVER SINCE 401 YEARS - AGO, THE RSON WE COULD NEVER - BE WHO WE WANTED AND DREAMED OF - BEING IS YOU KEPT YOUR KNEE ON - YOUR NECK. - (APPLAUSE) - >> Reporter: AND ACROSS THE - COUNTRY, A VIRTUAL MOMENT OF - SILENCE FOR EIGHT MINUTES AND 46 - SECONDS, THE AMOUNT OF TIME - FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE - OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN WAS SEEN - PINNING HIS KNEE ONTO FLOYD'S - NECK. - CHAUVIN HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH - SECOND-DEGREE MURDER. - IN WASHINGTON BECOME BARR AND - CHRISTOPHER RAY ANNOUNCED - ACTIONS. - >> WE HAVE TASK FORCES AROUND

- THE COUNTRY TO APPREHEND AND - CHARGE VIOLENT AGITATORS -- - >> Reporter: BLAME EXTREMIST - GROUPS. - >> WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT ANTIFA - AND OTHER SIMILAR EXTREMIST - GROUPS AS WELL AS ACTORS OF A - VARIETY OF DIFFERENT POLITICAL - PERSUASIONS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED - IN INSTIGATING AND PARTICIPATING - IN THE VIOLENT ACTIVITY. - >> Reporter: BUT LAST NIGHT - PROTESTS REMAINED LARGELY - PEACEFUL. - IN WASHINGTON, HUNDREDS MARCHED - TO THE CAPITOL BESIDE NATIONAL - GUARD TROOPS. - AT ONE POINT SOME DEMONSTRATORS - KNELT AND - AT ONE POINT, SOME DEMONSTRATORS - KNELT AND SANG. - >> ♪ LEAN ON ME - >> Yang: IN NEW YORK CITY, - PROTESTERS WERE LARGELY - PEACEFUL AS WELL. - BUT AS NIGHTTIME FELL ON THE - RAINY CITY STREETS, POLICE IN - RIOT GEAR MOVED IN TO ENFORCE A - CURFEW, SOMETIMES BY FORCE. - DOZENS WERE ARRESTED. - AMID THE CHAOS, A CONFRONTATION - IN BROOKLYN LEFT THREE POLICEMAN

- WOUNDED, ONE STABBED AND TWO - SHOT, AND THE SUSPECTED ATTACKER - SHOT. - THE OFFICERS ARE EXPECTED TO - RECOVER; THE SUSPECT IS IN - CRITICAL CONDITION. - IN MINNESOTA, GOVERNOR TIM WALZ - ORDERED THE NATIONAL GUARD TO - THE STATE'S WESTERN BORDER, - SAYING THAT VIOLENCE FROM - PLANNED PROTESTS IN NORTH DAKOTA - COULD SPILL INTO HIS STATE. - LEADERS IN 32 STATES AND THE - DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA HAVE - DEPLOYED MORE THAN 3200 MEMBERS - OF THE NATIONAL GUARD. - PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PREPARED TO - USE ACTIVE-DUTY TROOPS IF - NECESSARY, ACCORDING TO DEPUTY - WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY - HOGAN GILDEY, WHO USED LANGUAGE - USUALLY RESERVED TO DESCRIBE - PONTIAL OVERSEAS MILITARY - OPERATIONS. - >> SAFETY AND SECURITY NUMBER - ONE THING DONALD TRUMP CARES - ABOUT. - ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE - WHEN THE LIVES OF THE AMERICAN - PEOPLE ARE AT AKE. - >> Yang: THE IDEA DREW NEW - PUSHBACK LAST NIGHT, THIS TIME, - FROM HIS FORMER SECRETARY OF - DEFENSE, JAMES MATTIS. - IN AN ESSAY FOR THE "THE - ATLANTIC," THE RETIRED MARINE - GENERAL DELIVERED PERHAPS HIS

- HARSHEST PUBLIC CRITICISM OF THE - PRESIDENT YET, ACCUSING MR. - TRUMP OF DIVIDING THE COUNTRY. - AND, HE CALLED THE USE OF - NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS NEAR THE - WHITE HOUSE ON MONDAY TO - FORCEFULLY CLEAR CROWDS FOR A - PRESIDENTIAL PHOTO-OP AN "ABUSE - OF EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY." - THE PRESIDENT FIRED BACK WITH A - TWEET CALLING MATTIS "THE - WORLD'S MOST OVERRATED GENERAL"" - >> Reporter: SENATOR MURKOWSKI - FROM ALASKA SAID MATTIS' REMARKS - WERE NECESSARY AND OVERDUE AND - SUGGESTED SHE MAY NOT VOTE TO - REELEK THE PRESIDENT. - >> WHEN I AM STRUGGLING WITH , - I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH IT FOR A - LONG TIME. - I THINK YOU KNOW THAT. - I DIDN'T SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT - IN THE INITIAL ELECTION. - >> Reporter: MEANWHILE, - THERE'S NEW ATTENTION ON POLICE - TREATMENT OF MINORITIES ACROSS - THE COUNTRY. - >> Yang: MEANWHILE, THERE'S NEW - ATTENTION ON POLICE TREATMENT OF - MINORITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. - THE FATAL SHOOTING AN UNARMED - LATINO MAN EARLY WEDNESDAY - MORNING BY VALLEJO, CALIFORNIA, - POLICE RESPONDING TO A REPORT - THAT A DRUGSTORE WAS BEING - LOOTED, AND A VIDEO OF A

- SARASOTA, FLORIDA, POLICE - OFFICER PRESSING HIS KNEE INTO - THE NECK OF A HANDCUFFED BLACK - MAN BEING ARRESTED IN MAY ON - DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGES. - THAT INCIDENT IS NOW UNDER - INVESTIGATION. - IN GEORGIA TODAY, A VIDEO COURT - HEARING FOR TWO MEN CHARGED IN - THE FEBRUARY KILLING OF AHMAUD - ARBERY. - A STATE INVESTIGATOR TESTIFIED - ONE OF THE ACCUSED MEN USED A - RACIAL SLUR. - >> AFTER THE SHOOTING TOOK - PLACE, BEFORE POLICE ARRIVAL, - WHILE MR. ARBERY WAS ON THE - GROUND, HE HEARD TRAVIS - McMICHAEL MAKE A STATEMENT. - "( BLEEP )ING N-WORD." - >> Yang: TONIGHT, DEMONSTRATORS - ARE GATHERING ACROSS THE COUNTRY - FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF PROTESTS. - AND MAYORS OF CITIES LIKE LOS - ANGELES, SAN FRANCISCO AND - WASHINGTON, D.C., HAVE LIFTED - NIGHTTIME CURFEWS, HOPING LAST - NIGHT'S CALM HOLDS. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M JOHN - YANG. - >> Woodruff: AS JOHN REPORTED, - YESTERDAY'S PROTESTS IN NEW YORK - WERE LARGELY PEACEFUL, BUT DID - INCLUDE SOME SKIRMISHES BETWEEN - PROTESTERS AND POLICE.

- THE NEWSHOUR'S DANIEL BUSH HAS - BEEN ON THE GROUND FOLLOWING THE - PROTESTS, AND HE JOINS ME NOW. - SO, DAN, HELLO. - WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING ON POLICE - ACTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. - IN SOME CASES, THERE'S BEEN - VIOLENT ACTION TAKEN BY POLICE. - TELL US WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN - NEW YORK CITY. - >> THAT'S RIGHT, JUDY. - I'M HERE RIGHT NOW IN THE BAY - RIDGE SECTION OF BROOKLYN WHERE - WE'VE SEEN PROTEST ACTIVITY FOR - SEVERAL DAYS. - MORE IS EXPECTED LATER TODAY. - IN THE AREA YOU CAN SEE POLICE - BEHIND ME GATHERING AS WELL AS - PROTESTERS IN THE PARK. - THIS IS THE SCENE DURING THE - DAY, JUDY. - AT NIGHT, IT'S A DIFFERENT - STORY. - I WAS COVERING A PROTEST LAST - NIGHT AROUND TRUMP TOWER IN - MIDTOWN MANHATTAN. - THE POLICE ALLOWED PROTESTORS TO - CONTINUE MARCHING AFTER THE 8:0. - AT 9:00, HOWEVER, THERE'S O VERY - SWIFT AND SUDDEN CHANGE, POLICE - IN RIOT GEAR RUSHED THE CROWD - AND THEY BEGAN ARRESTING PEOPLE - AT RANDOM, SEEMINGLY, GRABBING

- THEM ON THE GROUND, POLICE - OFFICERS TAKLING THEM ON THE - GROUND AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE - SEEING AT NIGHT WHEN PEOPLE ARE - OUT AFTER THE CURFEW. - >> Woodruff: WE KNOW, IN - NEW YORK CITY, THERE HAVE BEEN - QUESTIONS FOR A LONG TIME OVER - THE YEARS ABOUT POLICE, ABOUT - POSSIBLE POBL OVERUSE OF FORCE, - IF YOU WILL. - WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE - PROTESTERS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE - SEEING? - >> SO THE PROTESTORS HERE IN THE - NATION'S LARGEST CITYJUST LIKE - OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, - ARE OUT EXPRESSING THEIR ANGER, - THEIR FRUSTRATION, THEIR PAIN AT - THE WAY THEY'RE TREATED BY - POLICE. - LET'S TAKE A LISTEN HERE AT ONE - WOMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT WHY SHE'S - OUT PROTESTING. - >> I WANT TO SEE CHANGE. - I WANT TO SEE, LIKE -- YOU KNOW, - I CAN'T GO OUTSIDE AT NIGHT WITH - A HOODIE ON AND NOT BE PROFILED - IN THE SOUTH BRONX AND GET, YOU - KNOW, RAN UP ON BY SIX DEFECTIVE - COPS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO JUST

- JEMP ME TO THINK, OR THEY THINK - I'M SOMEONE, A SUSPECT FOR - SOMETHING. - IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A DAILY FEAR - OF YOUR LIFE FOR NO REASON. - >> THAT WAS A YOUNG MAN THERE, - JUDY, TALKING ABOUT HIS FEAR, - HIS FRUSTRATIONS WITH THE - POLICE, AND THAT'S WHAT - PROTESTORS ARE TELLING ME HERE, - THEY WANT CONCRETE CHANGE. - >> Woodruff: JUST QUICKLY, - DAN, WHAT ABOUT POLITICAL - LEADERS, WHAT ARE THEY SAYING - ABOUT NEW YORK? - >> THAT'S RIGHT, JUDY, - PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CRIT SITED - GOVEOR CUOMO, MAYOR DISABLEDO - DE BLASIO FOR NOTRACKING DOWN - HARDER. - THE MAYOR SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT - THE NATIONAL GUARD HERE. - THIS CITY HAS 36,000 OFFICERS, - THE LARGEST POLICE OFFICER IN - THE COUNTRY. - THE MAYOR IS SAYING HE THINKS HE - CAN GET THE NIGHTTIME PROTESTS - UNDER CONTROL IN THE COMING - DAYS. - SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. - >> Woodruff: DAN BUSH - REPORTING FOR US TONIGHT FRM - BROOKLYN.

- THANK YOU, DAN. - >> Woodruff: THE NATION'S - CAPITAL HAS BEEN ANOTHER SITE OF - LARGE-SCALE PROTESTS. - WASHINGTON, D.C.'S MAYOR MURIEL - BOWSER WANTS THE NATIONAL GUARD - OUT OF THE DISTRICT. - AND SHE JOINS US NOW. - MAYOR BOWSER, THANK YOU VERY - MUCH FOR BEING HERE. - WE ARE -- IT'S REPORTED THAT - PEOPLE, PROTESTERS ARE GATHERING - IN THE STREETS OF WASHINGTON AT - THIS HOUR. - THIS WOULD BE THE SEVENTH - STRAIGHT DAY OF PROTESTS. - YOU HAVE OPTED NOT TO CALL -- - IMPOSE A CURFEW, THOUGH. - WHNOT? - >> JUDY, WE ARE -- WE - SITUATIONALLY REVIEW WHAT OUR - PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS ARE TO - MANAGER PROTESTS, AND WE'VE SEEN - OVER THE LAST TWO NIGHTS VERY - PEACEFUL PROTESTS.

- IN FACT, WE HAVE SEEN THE NUBER - OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN TO - DEMONSTRATE IN FRONT OF THE - WHITE HOSE SWELL QUITE A BIT, - EVER SINCE PEACEFUL PROTESTERS - WERE FORCIBLY MOVED OUT OF THE - WAY BY THE FEDERAL POLICE. - SO PEOPLE HAVE COME DOWN TO - PEACEABLY PROTEST, AND POLICE - THEMSELVES IN SOME WAYS. - SO IF THEY SEE SOMEBODY NOT - THERE FOR A PEACEFUL PROTEST - BENT ON DESTRUCTION, WE'VE SEEN - THE CROWD STILL WITH THEM. - >> Woodruff: DO YOU GET SOME - KIND OF ADVANCED WORD FROM THE - ORGANIZES OF THESE PROTESTS - ABOUT WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE - IS THIS HOW DO YOU GET - INFORMATION, GEDGES ABOUT WHAT'S - GOING ON? - >> WELL, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO - ORGANIZE FREQUENTLY IN - WASHINGTON, D.C. WILL REACH OUT - TO OUR METROPOLITAN POLICE - DEPARTMENT OR TO OUR HOMELAND - SECURITY DEPARTMENT AND GIVE US - AHEADS-UP.

- OTHER TIMES WE ARE LISTENING TO - INTELLIGENCE, MONITORING SOCIAL - MEDIA, SO WE HAVE A GOOD GAUGE - ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING - AND HOW MANY STAFF WE NEED TO - MANAGE TRAFFIC, CLOSE STREETS - AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE. - WE THINK, THIS SATURDAY, WE ARE - GOING TO HAVE A LARGER CROWD IN - D.C., AND WE'LL MAKE SOME - DETERMINATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE - NEED IN TERMS OF STAFFING AND IF - WE NEED TO REINSTATE OUR CURFEW - ON THAT DAY. - >> Woodruff: WHO HAS CONTROL, - MAYOR BOWSER, OF KEEPING THE - PEACE WASHINGTON, D.C.? - IS IT THE D.C. POLICE OR THE - NATIONAL GUARD, SOME OF THE - TROOPS THAT HAVE COME IN FROM - ELSEWHERE? - >> WELL, YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING THE - UNIQUE STATUS OF - WASHINGTON, D.C. - WE ARE THE CAPITOL CITY, A - FEDERAL DISTRICT, WE'RE 700,000 - TAX-PAYING AMERICANS, AND I'M - THE MAYOR, GOVERNOR, COUNTY - EXECUTIVE ALL AT ONCE. - BUT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A STATE,

- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN - ENROACH ON OUR AUTONOMY AND - BRING IN FEDERAL FORCES TO FROM - PROTECT FEDERAL ASSETS, AND - THAT'S WHAT WE SEE IN D.C. - I AM THE MAYOR. - WE HAVE A POLICE FORCE OF 4,000 - MEN AND WOMEN WHO PROTECT D.C. - EVERY SINGLE DAY, WHO SUPPORT - FIRST AMENDMENT - NONADMINISTRATIOADMINISTRATION T - AMENDMENT DEMONSTRATIONS AND THE - POLICE CHIEF REPORTS TO ME. - >> Woodruff: SO WHEN - PRESIDENT TRUMP ORDERED THE - CLEARING OUT OF THE PEACEFUL - PROTESTERS AROUND THE WHITE - HOUSE SO THAT THE PRESIDENT - COULD WALK OVER TO ST. JOHN'S - CHURCH, THAT SCENE WHERE HE HAD - HIS PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN HOLDING THE - BIBLE. - AND YET, IT IS -- THE FEDERAL - GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE CONTROL - OVER THAT AREA, DOES IT NOT? - >> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND - EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR IT

- SWEARS AN OATH TO THE - CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED - STATES THAT ALLOWS AMERICANS TO - PEACEABLY PROTEST TO EXERCISE - THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. - WHAT I WITNESSED FROM WHAT I - COULD SEE, FROM WHAT I THINK THE - WORLD COULD SEE IS THOSE PEOPLE - WERE PEACEABLY PROTESTING. - IN THE INSPECTOR OF FEDERAL - POLICE OR, YOU KNOW, RELEASING - MUNITIONS TO CLEAR THE WAY SO - THE PRESIDENT COULD MAKE A - POLITICAL STATEMENT IS - ABHORRENT. - >> Woodruff: AND DO YOU -- I - MEAN, ARE YOU GETTING A SENSE - RIGHT NOW THAT THE - ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO HOLD - BACK IN SOME WAY ITS BEING - PREPARED TO DEPLOY FEDERAL - TROOPS? - ARE YOU GETTING ANY SORT OF - SIGNAL THROUGH YOUR - COMMUNICATION WITH THE WHITE - HOUSE, WITH THE JUSTICE - DEPARTMENT? - >> WELL, LET ME SAY THIS -- WE, - FIRST OF ALL, THINK THERE IS A - LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT THE

- PRESIDENT'S ABILITY TO CALL IN - OUT OF STATE NATIONAL GUARD INTO - THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, GUARD - THAT I HAVE NOT REQUESTED AS - MAYOR. - AND WE PUSH BACK VERY HARD ON - THAT. - THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT - QUESTION, AND WE THINK THERE ARE - SOME OTHER STEPS THAT THE - PRESIDENT NEEDS TO TAKE TO DO - THAT. - WE DON'T KNOW ON WHOSE AUTHORITY - THAT THESE TROOPS ARE ACTING. - AND THIS IS A SIMILAR QUESTION - THAT WAS RAISED BY THE SPEAKER - OF THE HOUSE TO THE PRESIDENT IN - A LETTER TODAY. - WHAT WE KNOW AND HAS BEEN - ANNOUNCED BY THE SECRETARY OF - THE ARMY IS THAT THE ACTIVE DUTY - MILITA TROOPS, ARMY PERSONNEL - WHO WERE STAGED AROUND - WASHINGTON, D.C. ARE BEING SENT - BACK TO THEIR HOME BASE, THEIR - HOME STATIONS. - >> Woodruff: AND DOES THAT - GIVE YOU PEACE OF MIND? - ARE YOU CONFIDENT THEY WON'T BE - CALLED BACK AGAIN? - >> WE CAN'T HAVE PEACE OF MIND - IN WASHINGTON, D.C. UNTIL WE

- HAVE FULL AUTONOMY AND WE'RE - JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AMERICAN - AND WE BECOME THE 51st STATE. - BUT YOU ASK ME IF THAT MAKES ME - FEEL GOOD, IF THAT MAKES ME FEEL - SECURE. - I DON'T THINK ANY AMERICAN CAN - FEEL SECURE IF THEY WATCH THE - PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - MOVE ON AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH - ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY TROOPS. - >> Woodruff: WASHINGTON, D.C. - MAYOR MURAL -- MURIEL BOWSER. - MAYOR BOWSER, THANK YOU VERY - MUCH. - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: AND WE WOULD ASK - YOU TO PLEASE JOIN - >> Woodruff: PLEASE JOIN US - FRIDAY NIGHT FOR "RACE MATTERS: - AMERICA IN CRISIS, "A PBS - NEWSHOUR PRIME TIME SPECIAL. - AT THE END OF THIS DIFFICULT - WEEK, WE EXPLORE THIS CRITICAL - MOMENT AND HOW WE MOVE AHEAD. - >> Woodruff: OVER THE PAST FEW - DAYS AS PROTESTERS HAVE TAKEN TO

- THE STREETS, THE PRESIDENT'S - TALK ABOUT USING MILITARY FORCE - ON THE DEMONSTRATORS HAS - GENERATED A BACKLASH AMONG A - NUMBER OF FORMER SENIOR MILITARY - OFFICERS. - THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND - CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF - STAFF HAVE ALSO BEEN CRITICIZED - FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND WHAT THEY - HAVE SAID. - NICK SCHIFRIN HAS THE STORY. - >> Schifrin: JUDY THE CRITICISM - HAS BECOME A CHORUS, AND UNLIKE - THE LAST FEW MONTHS, IT'S ON THE - RECORD. - FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE JIM - MATTIS: "MILITARIZING OUR - RESPONSE, AS WE WITNESSED IN - WASHINGTON, D.C., SETS UP A - CONFLICT-- FALSE CONFLICT-- - BETWEEN THE MILITARY AND - CIVILIAN SOCIETY." - FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT - CHIEFS ADMIRAL MIKE MULLEN WROTE - FORMER CHAIRMAN GEN. MARTIN - DEMPSEY CRITICIZED CURRENT - SECRETARY OF DEFENSE MARK - ESPER'S WORDS, WRITING: "AMERICA - IS NOT A BATTLEGROUND. - OUR FELLOW CITIZENS ARE NOT THE - ENEMY." - AND RECENTLY RETIRED COMMANDER - OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND - GEN. TONY THOMAS: "THE 'BATTLE - SPACE' OF AMERICA???

- NOT WHAT AMERICA NEEDS TO HEAR." - TO TALK ABOUT THIS I'M JOINED BY - RETIRED ARMY GENERAL CARTER HAM. - OVER HIS 38 YEAR CAREER, HE - COMMANDED TROOPS IN IRAQ AND - SERVED AS COMMANDING GENERAL FOR - BOTH U.S. ARMY EUROPE, AND U.S. - AFRICA COMMAND. - GENERAL HAM, WELCOME TO THE - "NewsHour". - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - WHY IS THERE SO MUCH CRITICISM - AND FEAR AMONG RETIRED OFFICIALS - BUT ALSO SOME CURRENT OFFICIALS - WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT -- WHO I'M - TALKING TO ABOUT THE IDEA OF - SENDING ACTIVE DUTYROOPS INTO - THE UNITED STATES? - >> WELL, THANKS, NICK. - IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND, IN - OUR NATION, WE HAVE A LONG - TRADITION, GOING BACK TO THE - FOUNDING OF THE NATION, CONCERN - EXPRESSED EVEN IN THE - DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND - CERTAINLY IN THE CONSTITUTION, A - CONCERN ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT OF - FEDERAL ACTIVE DUTY ARMED FORCES - WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE - UNITED STATES FOR DOMESTIC - SECURITY PURPOSES. - SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE - SEEING PLAY OUT IS THAT - LONG-HELD TRADITION OF CONCERN - ABOUT USING THE MILITARY INSIDE

- THE U.S. - THE U.S. ARMED FORCES EXIST TO - PROTECT THE NATION. - THEY'RE NOT WELL-SUITED FOR - POLICING COMMUNITIES. - >> Reporter: THERE'S BEEN A - LOT OF CRITICISM, AS JUDY - MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION TO - THIS SEGMENT, OF THE LEADERSHIP - OF THE MILITARY. - AND LET'S GO BACK TO MONDAY - AFTERNOON, EVENING, - PRESIDENT TRUMP WALKS OUT OF THE - WHITE HOUSE, WITH HIM IS - SECRETARY ESPER, AND SECRETARY - ESPER ENDS UP IN A PHOTO OP IN - FRONT OF A BURNED-OUT CHURCH. - FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT - CHIEFS OF STAFF MARK MILLEY HUNG - BACK WHILE THE PHOTO OP - HAPPENED. - DO YOU BELIEVE MILLEY WAS - CONCERNED ABOUT THE MILITARY - BEING DRAGGED INTO POLITICS IF - SOMEONE LIKE HIM ENDED UP IN THE - PHOTO OP? - >> ALL THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOIN - CHIEFS OF STAFF WHOM I'VE HAD - THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING HAVE

- ALL WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO - KEEP FROM POLITICIZING THE ARMED - FORCES TO HAVE THE UNITED - STATES, FOR UNDERSTANDABLE - PURPOSES. - AND I THINK THEY HAVE LARGELY - BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THAT REGARD. - AND, SO, I THINK, WHEN IT BECAME - APPARENT THAT MONDAY EVENING'S - EVENTS WERE INTENDED FOR A - POLITICAL PURPOSE, I THINK IT - WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE - SENIOR-RANKING OFFICER OF THE - ARMED FORCES TO NOT PARTICIPATE - IN THAT. - >> Reporter: DO YOU BELIEVE - OVER THE LAST THREE-PLUS YEARS - IT'S BEEN HARDER FOR THE - MILITARY TO STAY OUT AND BE SEEN - TO STAY OUT OF POLITICS? - >> WELL, IT'S ALWAYS HARD - BECAUSE THE DECISIONS REGARDING - THE EMPLOYMENT OF ARMED FORCES - HAVE AN INHERENTLY POLITICAL - ASPECT TO THEM. - SO THAT MAKES IT QUITE - DIFFICULT. - THAT, TO ME, IS VERY DIFFERENT - THAN USING THE MILITARY FOR - EXCLUSIVELY POLITICAL PURPOSES.

- SO IT IS CHALLENGING EVEN IN THE - BEST OF TIMES AND I THINK, - CERTAINLY, AS WE'VE SEEN OVER - THE PAST FEW WEEKS, IT HAS BEEN - DIFFICULT, PARTICULARLY ON - MONDAY EVENING, I THINK, - DIFFICULT FOR THE SECRETARY OF - DEFENSE AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE - JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF TO WORK - HARD TO KEEP FROM POLITICIZING - THE MILITARY. - YOU KNOW, THAT TRUST THAT - AMERICA HAS IN ITS ARMED FORCES - IS WELL EARNED AND, IN MY - OPINION, RICHLY DESERVED, BUT - IT'S FRAGILE. - SO I THINK THE LEADERS OF THE - MILITARY, BOTH CIVILIAN AND - MILITARY, UNDERSTAND THAT AND - WORK VERY, VERY HARD TO MAKE - SURE THAT NOTHING INTERFERES IN - THAT BOND OF TRUST THAT MUST - EXIST BETWEEN THE NATION AND ITS - ARMED FORCES. - >> Reporter: GENERAL, I WANT - TO TAKE YOU BACK TO TUESDAY - AFTER THAT PHOTO OP, CHAIRMAN OF - THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF MARK - MILLEY WROTE THIS MEMO, SEND IT - TO THE COMBATANT COMMANDERS AND - CHIEFS, HE SAID WE ALL COMMITTED

- OUR LIVES TO THE IDEA OF AMERICA - AMERICA, WE WILL STAY TRUTH TO - THE OATH. - HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU THE ACTIVE - DUTY MILITARY COULD BE ASKED TO - DO SOMETHING AGAINST THAT OATH? - >> WELL, THERE IS CONCERN. - FIRST OF ALL, I'VE KNOWN MARK - MILLEY FOR A LONG TIME, LONG - BEFORE HE BECAME A GENERAL, AND - THOSE HANDWRITTEN WORDS, THAT - COMES FROM THE HEART OF GENERAL - MARK MILLEY. - I'M CONFIDENT HE BELIEVES THAT - WITH ALL OF HIS HEART AND SOUL, - AND HE TAKES VERY SERIOUSLY THE - OATH OF OFFICE THAT HE AND EVERY - OTHER PERSON IN UNIFORM TAKES. - SO I THINK HE WAS REMINDING THE - FORCE TO BE TRUE TO THAT OATH. - THAT'S THE TIE THAT BINDS US IN - TOUGH TIMES. - BROADLY ACROSS THE FORCE, I - THINK THERE IS CONCERN, YOU - KNOW, THAT THE ARMED FORCES, - AGAIN, ARE NOT TRAINED, MANNED,

- EQUIPPED, PREPARED FOR - EMPLOYMENT IN DOMESTIC PURPOSES. - THE NATIONAL GUARD IS. - THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE - NATIONAL GUARD OF THE 50 STATES - AND THE DISTRICT AND THE - TERRITORIES OPERATING UNDER - LEGITIMACY VILIAN CONTROL OF THE - GOVERNORS, THEY ARE THE RIGHT - BACKSTOP, WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT - NO LONGER HAS THE CAPACITY -- - >> Reporter: GENERAL, I'M - SORRY -- I'M SORRY -- I'M SORRY - TO INTERRUPT, BUT I'VE ONLY GOT - 30 SECONDS. - I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT POINT, - THE NATIONAL GUARD IN THE STATES - ARE BEING LED BY THE GOVERNORS. - WE JUST HEARD THE MAYOR OF - WASHINGTON, D.C. CRITICIZE THE - FACT THAT THE GUARD IN D.C. HAVE - GONE FROM 1,200 TO OVER 4,500. - DO YOU BELIEVE THAT SO MANY - NATIONAL GUARD ON THE STREETS OF - D.C. COULD BE A PROBLEM? - >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT

- OF COLUMBIA, AS THE MAYOR - INDICATED, IS A UNIQUE - ENVIRONMENT. - IT IS A FEDERAL ENTITY. - THE NATIONAL GUARD IN THE - DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA OPERATES - UNDER FEDERAL AUTHORITY AND, AS - THE MAYOR INDICATED THAT SHE HAS - QUESTIONED SOME OF THE POLICY, - THE LEGAL AUTHORITIES FOR THE - USE NATIONAL GUARD FROM OTHER - STATES IN THE CITY OF - WASHINGTON, D.C., THAT HAS YET - TO PLAY OUT. - IT IS NOT, HOWEVER, UNCOMMON FOR - THE NATIONAL GUARD OF VARIOUS - STAYS TO WORK VERY CLOSELY -- - >> Reporter: GENERAL -- - IN EMERGENCIES. - >> Reporter: I'M SORRY TO CUT - YOU OFF. - WE'RE JUST OUT OF TIME. - GENERAL CARTER HAM, THANK YOU - VERY MUCH, SIR. - >> THANKS, NICK. - >> Woodrf: IN THE DAY'S OTHER - NEWS, AMID THE NATIONWIDE

- PROTESTS DEMANDING RACIAL - JUSTICE, VIRGINIA IS TAKING DOWN - A FAMOUS STATUE OF CONFEDERATE - GENERAL ROBERT ELEE. - GOVERNOR RALPH NORTHAM ANNOUNCED - THE STATUE WILL BE REMOVED FROM - RICHMOND'S WELL-KNOWN "MONUMENT - AVENUE." - HE SAID THE STATE CAN NO LONGER - SHOWCASE A CAUSE THAT UGHT TO - PRESERVE SLAVERY. - >> I BELIEVE IN A VIRGINIA THAT - STUDIES ITS PAST IN AN HONEST - WAY. - I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE LEARN - MORE, WE CAN DO MORE AND I - BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE LEARN MORE - WHEN WE TAKE THAT HONEST LOOK AT - OUR PAST, WE MUST DO MORE THAN - JUST TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE. - WE MUST TAKE ACTION. - >> Woodruff: THE LEE STATUE IS - GOING INTO TEMPORARY STORAGE. - BUSINESS CLOSINGS AND CUTBACKS - DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC - HAVE CLAIMED ANOTHER 1.9 MILLION - JOBS. - TODAY'S REPORT MEANS MORE THAN - 21 MILLION WORKERS IN THE U.S. - ARE RECEIVING JOBLESS BENEFITS.

- THE NUMBER PEAKED TWO WEEKS AGO, - AT NEARLY 25 MILLION. - THE HEAD OF THE CENTERS FOR - DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION - VOICED FRESH FEARS TODAY THAT - PROTESTS DRAWING THOUSANDS INTO - THE STREETS WILL LEAD TO NEW - CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAKS. - ROBERT REDFIELD TOLD A - CONGRESSIONAL HEARING THAT - DEMONSTRATORS NEED TO FIND OUT - IF THEY'RE INFECTED. - >> THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE - PARTAKEN IN THESE PEACEFUL - PROTESTS OR HAVE BEEN OUT - PROTESTING, AND PARTICULARLY IF - THEY'RE IN METROPOLITAN AREAS - THAT REALLY HAVEN'T CONTROLLED - THE OUTBREAK. - WE REALLY WANT THOSE INDIVIDUALS - TO HIGHLY CONSIDER BEING - EVALUATED AND GET TESTED. - >> Woodruff: MEANWHILE, THE - BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL "THE - LANCET" RETRACTED A SHARPLY - NEGATIVE STUDY ON USING - HYDROXYCOROQUINE TO FIGHT THE - CORONAVIRUS. - THE DATA HAD COME UNDER GROWING - CRITICISM. - AND, THE UNITED NATIONS WARNED - THAT THE PANDEMIC IS DISRUPTING - VACCINATIONS FOR MEASLES AND - POLIO, AND PUTTING MILLIONS OF - CHILDREN AT RISK.

- IN HONG KONG, THOUSANDS OF - PEOPLE DEFIED A POLICE BAN TO - MARK THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE - TIANANMEN SQUARE CRACKDOWN IN - BEIJING. - THEY HELD A CANDLELIGHT VIGIL TO - REMEMBER HUNDREDS, AND POSSIBLY - THOUSANDS, OF PROTESTERS KILLED - BY THE CHINESE MILITARY, ON JUNE - 4TH, 1989. - POLICE DID LITTLE TO STOP THEM. - A U.S. NAVY VETERAN HEADED HOME - FROM IRAN TODAY, IN A PRISONER - DEAL. - MICHAEL WHITE HAD BEEN HELD - SINCE HE WAS CONVICTED OF - INSULTING IRAN'S SUPREME LEADER - IN 2018. - IN RETURN FOR WHITE'S RELEASE, - U.S. OFFICIALS AGREED NOT TO - SEEK MORE PRISON TIME FOR AN - IRANIAN-AMERICAN DOCTOR WHO - VIOLATED SANCTIONS ON IRAN. - BACK IN THIS COUNTRY, THE - NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION - HAS AGREED TO RESTART ITS - REGULAR SEASON IN LATE JULY. - COMPETITION WAS HALTED IN MARCH, - BY THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. - REMAINING REGULAR SEASON GAMES - WILL TAKE PLACE AT WALT DISNEY

- WORLD IN FLORIDA. - AND, ON WALL STREET, THE DOW - JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAINED - ABOUT 12 POINTS TO CLOSE AT - 26,281. - BUT, THE NASDAQ FELL 67 POINTS, - AND, THE S&P 500 SLIPPED 10. - STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: - PROTESTERS DEFY BANS ON - GATHERING IN HONG KONG TO MARK - THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE TIANANMEN - SQUARE MASSACRE. - SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THE DESIRE - TO WORK FROM HOME CREATE A - POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING EFFECT - ON REAL ESTATE. - AND MUCH MORE. - >> Woodruff: WE RETURN TO HONG - KONG, WHERE THOUSANDS TURNED OUT - IN DEFIANCE OF A CITY BAN TODAY - TO COMMEMORATE THE 31 - ANNIVERSARY OF THE BRUTAL 1989 - CRACKDOWN IN BEIJING'S TIANANMEN

- SQUARE, WHICH KILLED HUNDREDS, - BUT AS SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT - DIVYA GOPALAN REPORTS, TODAY IN - HONG KONG THEY ALSO PROTESTED - AGAINST CHINA'S MOVES TO IMPE - IT LEGAL WILL IN THE SEMI- - AUTONOMOUS REGION. - >> Reporter: OVER THE YEARS THIS - CANDLELIGHT VIGIL HAS BECOME A - SYMBOL OF HONG KONG'S POLITICAL - FREEDOMS, SETTING THE CITY APART - FROM THE REST OF CHINA WHERE THE - EVENTS OF JUNE 4th ARE NOT - SPOKEN ABOUT PUBLICLY. - >> WE JUST WANT TO BE SEEN, WE - JUST WANT OUR VOICE TO BE HEARD. - >> Reporter: POLICE REFUSED - PERMISSION FOR THIS YEAR'S - RALLY, DUE TO SOCIAL DISTANCING - RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO THE - CONAVIRUS PANDEMIC. - >> LOSING THE CANDLELIGHT ON - JUNE 4 IS SUCH A GREAT REMINDER - FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO - SAFEGUARD OUR FREEDOM. - >> Reporter: LAST YEAR, TENS OF - THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GATHERED IN - VICTORIA PARK, NOT JUST TO - REMEMBER, BUT TO PROTEST A - PROPOSED EXTRADITION LAW THAT - WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HONG KONG - SUSPECTS TO BE TRIED IN MAINLAND - CHA.

- THE LAW WAS SHELVED, BUT NOT - BEFORE IT IGNITED SIX MONTHS OF - ANTI-GOVERNMENT AND OFTEN - VIOLENT PROTESTS. - IT'S THE REASON THE CHINESE - GOVERNMENT IS NOW BYPASSING THE - CITY'S LEGISLATURE TO RUSH - THROUGH A STRICT NEW NATIONAL - SECURITY LAW. - >> WHEN THAT LAW IS PASSED IN A - FEW MONTH'S TIME IN BEIJING, WE - WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT - CANDLELIGHT VIGIL, OTHERWISE WE - WILL ALL BE COMMITTING OFFENSES. - >> Reporter: FORMER LEGISLATIVE - COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN LEE - ORGANIZED THE INAUGURAL VIGIL IN - 1990. - HE IS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS OF - HONG KONG'S CONSTITUTION, AND - KNOWN AS THE FATHER OF DEMOCRACY - HERE. - THE 81-YEAR-OLD IS ON TRIAL FOR - TAKING PART IN AN UNAUTHORIZED - PROTEST LAST YEAR. - BUT HE SAYS THE WORST IS YET TO - COME WITH BEIJING'S TIGHTENING - CONTROL. - HONG KONG'S CONSTUTION STATES - IT IS UP TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT - TO ENACT THE LAW AFTER THE - HANDOVER IN 1997.

- FORMER JUSTICE SECRETARY, ELSIE - LEUNG, OVERSAW THE TRANSITION - FROM A BRITISH COLONY TO A - SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE REGION OF - CHINA. - >> EVERY COUNTRY NEEDS - LEGISLATION TO PREVENT, STOP AND - PUNISH ACTS WHICH ENDANGER - NATIONAL SECURITY. - FOR 23 YEARS WE HAVE FAILED TO - DO THAT, AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF - HONG KONG PASSING SUCH LAW IS - RATHER DIM, SO IT'S ONLY NATURAL - THAT THE CENTRAL PEOPLE'S - GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN IT INTO ITS - OWN HANDS. - >> Reporter: BEIJING'S PROPOSED - LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES THE - MAINLAND GOVERNMENT'S NATIONAL - SECURITY AGENCIES, TO SET UP - BRANCHES AND ENFORCE RELATED - LAWS IN HONG KONG. - IT'S A CHILLING PROSPECT - PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE ON THE - FRONTLINES OF HONG KONG'S - DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT. - IN MAINLAND CHINA, THESE - AGENCIES OFTEN SILENCE ANY FORM - OF DISSENT OR OPPOSITION. - >> THIS IS THE END OF HONG KONG. - >> Reporter: HONG KONG'S - GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN IN TURMOIL - OVER A LAW THAT WILL NOW

- CRIMINALIZE ANYONE WHO - DISRESPECTS THE CHINESE NATIONAL - ANTHEM. - THAT WAS COINCIDENTALLY PASSED - ON JUNE 4TH. - LEGISLATIVE COUNCILOR DENNIS - KWOK SAYS IT'S YET ANOTHER - INFRINGEMENT ON FREEDOM OF - SPEECH, AND THE CITY IS UNDER - THREAT OF BECOMING A POLICED - STATE. - >> THE CONCEPT OF ENDANGERING - NATIONAL SECURITY IN MAINLAND - CHINA IS VERY BROAD. - IT COULD BE ECONOMICAL, - FINANCIAL, EDUCATION, IT COULD - BE ON THE INTERNET OR THINGS - THAT YOU SAY TO YOUR FRIDS ON - PRIVATE MESSAGING APPS. - >> HONG KONG IS NO LONGER - SUFFICIENTLY AUTONOMOUS. - >> Reporter: LAST FRIDAY - PRESIDENT TRUMP DENOUNCED - BEIJING'S MOVE AND BEGAN A - PROCESS THAT WOULD REMOVE - EXEMPTIONS THAT TREAT HONG KONG - DIFFERENTLY THAN THE MAINLAND, - A MOVE THAT COULD DIMINISH HONG - KONG'S STANDING AS A GLOBAL - FINANCIAL CENTER. - AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF - INTERNATIONAL FIRMS HERE, THERE - ARE 1300 AMERICAN COMPANIES. - TARA JOSEPH IS WITH THE AMERICAN - CHAMBER OF COMMERCE: - >> THERE IS A NAGGING WORRY THAT

- HONG KONG WON'T BE THE TYPE OF - PLACE TO HAVE A HEADQUARTERS - ANYMORE, AND THE RISKS ARE - DEFINITELY RISING SO THERE ARE - BACK UP PLANS BEING MADE. - >> Reporter: BUT PRO-BEIJING - LEGISLATOR MICHAEL TIEN WHO - VOTETO ENACT THE NATIONAL - SECURITY LAW AT LAST MONTH'S - COMMUNIST PARTY NATIONAL - PEOPLE'S CONGRESS IN BEIJING, - SAYS IT WILL HELP LOCAL - BUSINESSES. - >> EVERYBODY FEELS POSITIVE - ABOUT THIS BILL, BECAUSE THE ONE - THING THE BILL GUARANTEES, IS - RESTORING HONG KONG TO - STABILITY, AND SOME CALMNESS. - >> Reporter: CHINA ACCUSED THE - U.S. OF INTERFERENCE IN ITS - DOMESTIC AFFAIRS AFTER AMERIN - POLITICIANS EXPRESSED SUPPORT - FOR THE HONG KONG PROTESTORS, - AND CONDEMNED BEIJING FOR ITS - CRACKDOWN ON THE PROTESTS. - AND NOW BEIJING IS TURNING THE - TABLES, COMPARING THE UNREST IN - THE U.S. TO THE HONG KONG - PROTESTS AND DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT. - STATE MEDIA IS GIVING BLANKET - COVERAGE TELLING ITS AUDIENCE

- THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS - LIKE. - WHAT BEIJING LABELS FOREIGN - INTERFERENCE WAS ONE REASON - CITED FOR THE SECURITY LAW. - >> HONG KONG IS GETTING OUT OF - CONTROL, WE HAVE OUR LEGISLATOR - GOING TO A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT - WHICH IS THE UNITED STATES OF - AMERICA, ASKING THEM TO HAVE - SANCTIONS AGAINST HONG KONG TO - PUT PRESSURE ON OUR MOTHERLAND, - >> Reporter: OVER THE PAST FEW - MONTHS, TENSIONS BETWEEN CHINA - AND THE U.S. HAVE BEEN RISING, - AND HONG KONG HAS BEEN CAUGHT IN - THE MIDDLE, IT'S A FAMILIAR - PLACE FOR THE CITY WHICH TRIES - TO UPHOLD DEMOCRATIC IDEALS WITH - COMMUNIST CHINA AT ITS DOORSTEP. - THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE DEFIED A - BAN ON THIS GATHERING, THEY HAVE - JUMPED OVER BARRICADES TO COME - TO THE SAME SPOT WHERE THE VIGIL - IS HERE HELD EVERY YEAR, BUT - THIS YEAR ALONG WITH REMEMBERING - THE VICTIMS OF THE TIANANMEN - MASSACRE THEY ARE CHANTING - PROTEST SLOGANS AND EVEN CALLING - FOR INDEPENDENCE. - WITH THE LOOMING NATIONAL - SECURITY LAW, IT WAS A MOMENT

- FOR THOSE AT THE VIGIL TO - DEMONSTRATE THEIR FREEDOMS AND - RIGHTS. - AND THE SHOW OF SOLIDARITY AS - CANDLES ILLUMINATED MEMORIALS - AND COMMEMORATIONS ACROSS THE - CITY, STANDS AS A REMINDER OF - THE PEOPLE'S DETERMINATION TO - PRESERVE THEIR WAY OF LIFE. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M DIVYA - GOPALAN IN HONG KONG. - >> Woodruff: PUBLIC HEALTH - OFFICIALS SAY IT MAY BE ANOTHER - TWO TO THREE WEEKS BEFORE WE'LL - KNOW WHETHER THERE'S A BIG SPIKE - IN COVID CASES TIED TO MASS - WHICH COULD MEAN A LOT OF US MAY - STILL BE WORKING FROM HOME. - PAUL SOLMAN LOOKS AT THE - CONSEQUEES FOR COMMERCIAL REAL - ESTATE AS FEWER OF US GO TO THE - OFFICE TO WORK. - IT'S THE SECOND OF TWO REPORTS - FOR "MAKING SENSE." - >> I COULD EASILY SEE DOWNTOWN - SKYSCRAPERS IN THE CENTER OF BIG - CITIES FALLING IN VALUE BY 60, - 70%. - >> Reporter: ECONOMIST NICK - BLOOM SAYS THREE FACTORS ARE - ABOUT TO DEVASTATE THE OFFICE

- SKYSCRAPERS OF THE WORLD'S - MEGACITIES. - ONE, OF COURSE: THE COVID - ECONOMY. - >> THIS IS REALLY LOOKING LIKE - BEING, YOU KNOW, A LONG D - INCREDIBLY PAINFUL RECESSION, - THE LIKES OF WHICH I DON'T THINK - ANYONE ALIVE CURRENTLY HAS SEEN - BEFORE. - >> Reporter: WELL MAYBE, MAYBE - NOT. - BUT THERE'S A SECOND FACTOR, - SAYS BOB EDELSTEIN, WHO TEACHES - REAL ESTATE ECONOMICS: A SHARP - SHIFT TO WORKING FROM HOME. - >> JUST RECENTLY WE SAW FACEBOOK - SAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE - EMPLOYEES WORK REMOTELY, - FOREVER. - OTHER COMPANIES ARE CONSIDERING - THAT. - >> Reporter: BAD NEWS FOR, AMONG - OTHERS, SHARED WORKSPACE GIANT - "WE WORK." - THE LARGEST PRIVATE RENTER OF - NEW YORK OFFICE SPACE WAS - ALREADY HEMORRHAGING MONEY - BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. - NOW? - >> DO YOU WANT TO GO INTO AN - OFFICE SPACE WHERE THREE PEOPLE - HAVE USED IT THIS DAY AND SHARE - SOME FACILITIES? - >> Reporter: NOW, WEWORK SAYS - THEY ARE "STEPPING UP - SANITIZATION," BUT THERE'S STILL - A THIRD FACTOR: ANXIETY ABOUT - WORKING AT CLOSE QUARTERS. - >> YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT - SOCIAL DISTANCE DISTANCING - WITHIN THE OFFICE MARKET AND

- THEREFORE THERE'S GOING TO BE - MORE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE. - >> Reporter: ONE GLIMPSE OF THIS - FUTURE COMES VIA A NEW VIDEO - FROM OFFICE SPACE SERVICES GIANT - CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD: - >> IMAGINE YOU NOW NEED TWICE AS - MUCH SPACE PER PERSON, PROBABLY - THREE TIMES AS MUCH SPACE PER - PERSON IN A LARGE SKYSCRAPER - BECAUSE THEY WERE PACKED IN LIKE - SARDINES BEFORE. - FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR - YEARS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE - REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT BEING - IN CLOSE OFFICES, TIGHTLY PACKED - ELEVATORS. - >> ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES AN - ELEVATOR IS GOING TO BE VERY - HARD. - >> Reporter: DAVE KENNY, C.E.O. - OF THE NIELSEN COMPANY, A GLOBAL - MARKET RESEARCH FIRM, HAS DONE - THE MATH ON HOW LONG IT WOULD - TAKE HIS EMPLOYEES IN LOWER - MANHATTAN TO GET TO THEIR DESKS - UNDER THE NEW C.D.C. OFFICE - GUIDELINES: ONE PERSON AT A TIME - IN ANY ELEVATOR LESS THAN SIX - FEET ACROSS. - >> I CALCULATED TO, TO REFILL - OUR, YOU KNOW, FLOORS IN NEW - YORK, PEOPLE WOULD BE IN LINE - FOR OVER FOUR HOURS TO USE THE - ELEVATOR UP AND USE THE ELEVATOR - DOWN. - >> Reporter: BOTTOM LINE, THEN, - PREDICTS NICK BLOOM SUCCINCTLY: - >> CATASTROPHIC DROPS IN VALUE. - >> OBVIOUSLY, AS AN OWNER OF - COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE, I THINK

- HE'S WRONG. - >> Reporter: DOUGLAS DURST'S - FAMILY BUSINESS OWNS OR MANAGES - EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE - FEET OF NEW YORK OFFICE SPACE, - INCLUDING ONE WORLD TRADE - CENTER. - AND THE FORMER CONDE NAST - BUILDING IN TIMES SQUARE, WHERE - TIK TOK, THE WILDLY POPULAR - CHINESE-OWNED VIDEO SHARING APP - JUST LEASED SEVEN FLOORS. - >> WE ARE ACTIVELY LEASING SPACE - EVEN NOW, THE DEMAND IS NOT - GOING AWAY, SO WE DON'T THINK - THERE'LL BE ANY NEED TO REDUCE - RENTS. - >> I'M NOT DECLARING THE DEATH - KNELL OF OFFICES. - >> Reporter: SUPER-BROKER MARY - ANN TIGHE IS NY C.E.O. OF THE - WORLD'S LARGEST REAL ESTATE - SERVICES FIRM. - >> YAY! - WE CAN ALL GET EACH OTHER ON THE - SCREEN, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL US A - DARN THING ABOUT REAL LIFE WORK - FROM HOME. - >> Reporter: HAVE THERE BEEN NO - FIRE SALES OF OFFICE BUILDINGS - FROM LANDLORDS WHO NEED THE - CASH? - >> THERE HAVE BEEN NO FIRE SALES - TO DATE, THIS IS NOT A MOMENT - WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE A - VALUATION ON AN ASSET SIMPLY

- BECAUSE YOU MAY GET AN ANSWER - YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE. - AND THE ANSWER MAY BE DIFFERENT - A MONTH FROM NOW OR SIX MONTHS - FROM NOW. - >> Reporter: TAKE BLACKROCK, - CBS'S ICONIC MANHATTAN - HEADQUARTERS, WHICH TIGHE'S FIRM - HAD BEEN PREPARING TO SELL FOR - OVER A BILLION DOLLARS. - IT'S NOW OFF THE MARKET. - WHY? - >> I THINK PEOPLE ARE ON PAUSE - WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET - REVEALS. - >> Reporter: BOB EDELSTEIN, - HOWEVER, HAS EVIDENCE THAT - UNCERTAINTY IS ACTUALLY KILLING - REAL ESTATE DEALS AT THE MOMENT. - >> I'M PRIVY TO 10 RECENT - POTENTIAL TRANSACTIONS. - SIX HAVE STOPPED NEGOTIATING. - I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL EVER - NEGOTIATE AGAIN. - THREE OF THEM WERE NEGOTIATED - AND HAD GONE HARD, WHICH MEANS - THE DEPOSIT WAS ACCEPTED AND - WOULD NOT BE RETURNABLE IF THE - DEAL WAS NOT CONSUMMATED. - >> Reporter: SO THEY PUT DOWN - MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS A DEPOSIT - AND THEN JUST WALKED AWAY? - >> YES, BECAUSE THEY FELT, AS - MOST PEOPLE DO, UNCERTAIN ABOUT - THE FUTURE.

- >> Reporter: FOR DRAMATIC - EVIDENCE OF PRICE DROPS, THOUGH, - LOOK AT THE STOCKS OF COMPANIES - THAT INVEST SOLELY IN OFCE - BUILDINGS: DOWN SIX TIMES MORE - THAN THE S&P 500 THIS YEAR. - BUT CURRENT NTS HAVE BEEN - UNAFFECTED, DOUG DURST INSISTS, - FOR AT LEAST ONE VERY GOOD - REASON. - >> IN THE LARGE OFFICE - BUILDINGS, THE TENANTS HAVE - SIGNED LONG TERM LEASES AT LEAST - 10 YEARS OR LONGER. - >> Reporter: YES, AGREES BOB - EDELSTEIN... - >> IT'S BETTER TO HAVE 10 YEAR - LEASES, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE AS - GOOD AS THE PAPER THEY'RE - WRITTEN ON. - >> Reporter: IN FACT, OFFICE - TENANTS HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO - RENEGE, SAYS MARY ANN TIGHE. - >> DISCUSSION NUMBER ONE WAS I'M - NOT USING MY SPACE, WHY AM I - PAYING RENT? - >> Reporter: THE RESPONSE? - >> SHOW US YOUR 2019 FINANCIALS - AND YOUR 2020 BUDGET. - SHOW US WHERE YOU ARE IN TERMS - OF REVENUE. - SHOW US THAT YOU DON'T HAVE - BUSINESS INTERRUPTION INSURANCE - AND SHOW US THAT YOU'VE APPLIED - FOR EVERY KIND OF GOVERNMENT

- HELP. - ONCE WE GET ALL THAT - INFORMATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT - WITH YOU. - WE'RE NOT... HAPPY AS AN - OVERSTATEMENT. - WE WILL SIT WITH YOU AND REVIEW - THE SITUATION. - >> ANY TENANT WHO HAS - DIFFICULTY, WE ARE TALKING WITH - AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT - THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS - PERIOD. - >> IF THE RETURN TO NORMAL IS - MEASURED IN YEARS AND NOT - MONTHS, THERE MAY BE AN - OPPORTUNITY IN ALL OF THIS. - >> Reporter: LOS ANGELES - DEVELOPER MATT JACOBS' S LATEST - PROJECT-- LOFTS TO LIVE AND WORK - IN, FAVORED BY ARTIST TYPES, - SELLING JUST FINE DESPITE THE - PANDEMIC. - >> WE HAVE VISUAL ARTISTS. - WE HAVE PEOPLE EDITING - TELEVISION PROGRAMS. - WE HAVE YOUTUBE STARS. - WE HAD ONE BROKER ASK FOR A - CORONAVIRUS DISCOUNT, BUT WE - HAVE SOLD A NUMBER OF LIVE-WORK - LOFTS OVER THE PAST MONTH AT - ORIGINAL MARKET PRICES. - NO DISCOUNTS. - >> Reporter: SO JACOBS HAS - REFRAMED THE OFFICE SPACE - CRISIS. - >> I'M IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE WE - HAVE A TREMENDOUS AND SUSTAINED - HOUSING CRISIS. - HOUSING IS EXPENSIVE AND IT'S - SCARCE. - A LOT OF THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS

- THAT WE CONSIDERED CLASS A - BUILDINGS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE - TREMENDOUS UTILITY RIGHT NOW, - BUT THEY HAVE PERFECT - OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONVERTED TO - HOUSING. - A WELL-BUILT STEEL OR CONCRETE - BUILDING IS A PERFECT - ENVIRONMENT FOR HOUSING. - >> Reporter: INCLUDING IN CITIES - LIKE NEW YORK, SAYS MARY ANN - TIGHE. - >> THE DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN MARKET - BEFORE 9/11 HAD 15,000 - RESIDENTS. - TODAY IT'S APPROACHING 70,000 - RESIDENTS. - MANY OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE - RESIDING IN OFFICE BUILDINGS - THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO - RESIDENTIAL RENTALS. - SO I DO ENVISION THAT OLDER - STOCK WILL GO IN THAT DIRECTION. - >> Reporter: WHAT PRICE THAT - OLDER STOCK WILL FETCH ANYTIME - SOON, HOWEVER, IS ENOUGH TO - WORRY ANYONE WHO OWNS COMMERCIAL - OFFICE SPACE. - THIS IS PAUL SOLMAN. - >> Woodruff: AND WE'LL BE BACK - SHORTLY WITH AN ESSAY ON - UNDERSTANDING OUTRAGE. - BUT FIRST, TAKE A MOMENT TO HEAR

- FROM YOUR LOCAL PBS STATION. - IT'S A CHANCE TO OFFER YOUR - SUPPORT, WHICH HELPS KEEP - PROGRAMS LIKE OURS ON THE AIR. - >> Woodruff: THE WAVE OF POLICE - KILLINGS OF UNARMED AFRICAN - AMERICANS HAVE FORCED - DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY - TO EXAMINE THEIR OWN ACTIONS. - IN 2018, CHARLAYNE HUNTER GAULT - VISITED THE NEW YORK CITY POLICE - ACADEMY TO SEE HOW THEY ARE - TRAINING TO CURB BIAS AS PART OF - OUR RACE MATTERS SERIES. - >> Reporter: HERE IN NEW YORK - >> WE ALL HAVE IMPLICIT - ASSOCIATIONS THAT CAN IMPACT OUR - PERCEPTIONS AND BEHAVIOR, BUT - THERE'S GOOD NEWS AND IT COMES - IN THE FORM OF ACTION PLANS. - >> Reporter: EACH OF THE

- DEPARTMENT'S MORE THAN 40,000 - MEMBERS WILL ATTEND THE - SIX-THE-SEVEN-HOUR CLASS. - TODAY, 19 OF THEM WERE - INSTRUCTED ON THE SCIENCE BEHIND - IMPLICIT BIAS. - >> NOT ONLY IS IT BASED UPON - WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AT THE TIME, - WHAT YOU'RE FEELING AND HEARING, - BUT IT'S BASED UPON - >> Reporter: THE TRAINING COSTS - THE N.Y.P.D. $4.5 MILLION. - N.Y.P.D. FIRST DEPUTY - COMMISSIONER BENJAMIN TUCKER - EXPLAINS THE RATIONALE BEHIND - ADOPTING THE PROGRAM. - >> THEY'VE BEEN PROLIFIC IN - TERMS OF THEIR AMOUNT OF - DEPARTMENTS THEY'VE TRAINED. - THE FEEDBACK FROM THOSE - DEPARTMENTS IS THAT THEIR - OFCERS WERE ABLE TO HEAR THE - MESSAGE, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT TO - BE TRUE HERE. - >> Reporter: THERE IS, HOWEVER, - SIGNIFICANT SKEPTICISM FROM BOTH - SOCIAL SCIENTISTS AND LAW - ENFORCEMENT OUT HOW MUCH THIS - TYPE OF TRAINING CAN ACTUALLY - ANGE POLICE BEHAVIOR. - I PUT THAT AND OTHER QUESTIONS - TO LORIE FRIDELL, WHO RUNS THE - IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING PROGRAM,

- AND NOBLE WRAY, A MEMBER OF THE - TRAINING TEAM AND FORMER CHIEF - OF POLICE FOR THE MADISON, - WISCONSIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. - WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. - >> THANK YOU. - >> THANK Y. - >> Reporter: DR. FRIDELL, LET ME - START WITH YOU. - WHAT LED YOU TO START THIS - TRAINING? - >> I STARTED THINKING ABOUT BIAS - IN POLICING WHEN I WORKED AT THE - POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH - COUNCIL. - I BECAME PERPLEXED DURING THAT - STUDY PERIOD BECAUSE I CAME TO - BELIEVE TWO THINGS THAT DIDN'T - GO TOGETHER IN MY HEAD. - AND ONE WAS THAT I CAME TO - BELIEVE THAT BIAS IN POLICING - WAS MORE THAN JUST A FEW BAD - APPLES. - BUT I ALSO CAME TO UNDERSTAND - THAT MOST POLICE ARE WELL- - INTENTIONED INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT - TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITIES. - AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW - BOTH OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE - TRUE, UNTIL I WAS INTRODUCED TO - THE SCIENCE OF BIAS. - >> Reporter: BUT THAT LEADS ME - TO THE DEFINITION. - WHAT IS IMPLICIT BIAS? - >> OKAY, SO EXPLICIT BIAS WOULD - BE, LIKE, A RACIST. - IT'S CONSCIOUS, IT'S DELIBERATE. - THE STEREOTYPES THAT A PERSON - HAS IS BASED ON ANIMUS AND - HOSTILITY. - WITH IMPLICIT BIAS, WE STILL - HAVE STEREOTYPES ABOUT GROUPS, - BUT IT'S NOT CONSCIOUS AND - DELIBERATE. - AND IN FACT, IMPLICIT BIASES CAN

- IMPACT US OUTSIDE OF CONSCIOUS - AWARENESS, AND IT IMPACTS EVEN - ON INDIVIDUALS WHO AT THE - CONSCIOUS LEVEL REJECT BIASES - AND STEREOTYPES AND PREJUDICE. - ONE OF THE CRITICAL ASPECTS OF - THIS TRAINING IS NOT JUST - TELLING THEM ABOUT IMPLICIT - BIASES SO THEY RECOGNIZE THEM, - BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE TOOLS TO - REDUCE AND MANAGE BIASES. - >> Reporter: LIKE? - >> IF WE RECOGNIZE OUR IMPLICIT - BIASES AND WE'RE MOTIVATED, WE - CAN ACTUALLY OVERCOME OUR BIASES - AND IMPLEMENT BIAS-FREE - BEHAVIOR. - >> Reporter: SO THE MOTIVATION - HAS TO COME FROM THESE CLASSES - OR THESE SESSIONS. - >> IT DOES, BUT IT ALSO COMES - AGAIN, MOST COPS ARE WELL- - MEANING INDIVIDUALS. - AND SO, ONCE THEY UNDERSTAND - THAT THEIR MIND IS PLAYING - TRICKS ON THEM AND IT MIGHT - PRODUCE DISCRIMINATORY BEHAVIOR, - WITH THE LARGE, LARGE NUMBER - THAT SAY "I WANT TO DO BETTER." - >> Reporter: CHIEF WRAY, HOW DID - YOU GET INVOLVED IN THIS? - I MEAN, YOU'RE A BLACK - POLICEMAN, AND I THINK THAT MOST - PEOPLE, WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT - BIAS IN POLICE, THEY THINK ABOUT - WHITE POLICEMEN AND BLACK - PEOPLE. - HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED? - >> YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT MY - CAREER, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE - ISSUES RELATED TO BIAS, I - USUALLY FOCUSED ON EXPLICIT

- BIAS. - SO I WOULD GO INTO A TRAINING, - FOLD MY ARMS AND SAY, LITERALLY, - THIS IS FOR THE WHITE GUYS. - WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT IT - WASN'T ABOUT A SPECIFIC RACE, IN - TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, AN AFRICAN - AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER NOT - BEING IMPACTED BY IT, OR A WHITE - POLICE OFFICER ARE THE ONLY - ONES. - WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT I DIDN'T - GET A PASS ON THAT. - I REALIZE THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE - OF HUMAN BEINGS, THAT WE ALL - HAVE IMPLICIT BIASES. - AND SO, THAT'S WHAT REALLY GOT - ME INTO IT. - >> A LOT OF OFFICERS COME IN - BELIEVING THAT BIAS AND POLICING - IS NOT A BIG ISSUE. - THEY THINK IT'S BEEN - EXAGGERATED. - THEY PICTURE IT AS EXPLICIT - BIAS. - AND THEY LOOK AROUND THE ROOM - AND THEY DON'T SEE THEIR - COLLEAGUES AS HAVING EXPLICIT - BIAS, AND SO THEY SAY "WE'RE - BEING UNFAIRLY CASTIGATED." - AND THAT IS OUR FIRST TASK. - WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT - DEFENSIVENESS. - AND WE COME IN AND WE SAY, - "WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU - ABOUT HOW YOUR MIND WORKS." - >> THERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT,

- THERE'S - ALWAYS GOING TO BE, THEIR MINDS - ARE MADE UP. - BUT I ALWAYS START THE CLASS OFF - SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT - INTROSPECTIVE, AND IF YOU - PERSONALLY DON'T WANT IMPROVE, - THIS IS, THIS MAY NOT WORK FOR - YOU. - >> Reporter: YET SOME OF THE - CRITICS I'VE READ SAY THAT - THERE'S AN ABSENCE OF PROBING - OBJECTIVE RESEARCH, AND THAT - LONGER STUDY IS EDED TO - DETERMINE IF OFFICERS REALLY - RETAIN WHAT THEY'RE BEING - TAUGHT, AND IF CIVILIANS - ACTUALLY BENEFIT. - >> SO, THE CURRICULUM IS BASED - ON A BODY OF RESEARCH. - BUT THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, - INCLUDING OUR OWN, HAS NOT YET - BEEN EVALUATED, AND THAT'S WHAT - WE NEED. - AND IN FACT, IN THE CONTEXT OF - DOING OUR TRAINING IN N.Y.P.D., - WE ARE CONDUCTING A 1.5-YEAR - CONTROLLED EVALUATION. - >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I - THINK IS POWERFUL ABOUT IMPLICIT - BIAS TRAINING IS THAT THERE ARE - CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO - IN YOUR DAILY OPERATIONAL AS A - POLICE OFFICER TO HELP MITIGATE - SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE - CONFRONTING. - BY KEEPING LINES OF

- COMMUNICATION EN, SLOWING - THINGS DOWN, BECAUSE IF YOU SLOW - THINGS DOWN, YOU GET TO KNOW THE - PERSON MORE. - CONTACT THEORY. - THE MORE YOU KNOW SOMEONE, THE - MORE YOUR POSITIVE INTERACTIONS - WITH SOMEONE, THE BETTER YOU ARE - ABLE TO INTERACT. - >> Reporter: AND OVER TIME, HOW - MANY DEPARTMENTS CAN YOU THINK - OF THAT YOU'D GONE BACK TO AND - FOUND THAT THE TRAINING WAS - SUSTAINED? - >> I THINK DEPARTMENTS THAT, - WHERE LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP - EMBRACES IT, IT IS SUSTAINED. - YOU KNOW, YOU PLANT THE SEED. - LIKE, MOST ORGANIZATIONAL - EXPERTS WILL SAY, THIS IS - CHANGE, THIS IS, THIS IS - DIFFICULT CHANGE. - IT'S TRANSFORMATION, AND THAT - TAKES TIME. - >> Reporter: HOW MUCH TIME, DO - YOU THINK? - >> I THINK THIS IS, THIS ISSUE - IS GENERATIONAL, MEANING WE ARE - WE'RE CHANGING THE WAY WE THINK - ABOUT THIS ISSUE. - WE'RE CHANGING THE TOOLS THAT - WE'RE USING TO ADDRESS IT. - AND I THINK WE ARE ON THE RIGHT - TRAJECTORY AND I THINK WE'RE - GOING TO SEE GREAT CHANGES IN - POLICING ALONG THESE LINES. - >> Reporter: WELL, I CERTAINLY - HOPE SO. - THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US. - >> THANK YOU. - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: AS CURFEWS IN MANY - STATES ARE ABOUT TO BEGIN AGAIN

- TONIGHT, WE ARE AT A PLACE WHERE - WE DON'T NEED TO GO SEARCHING - PAST EVENTS AND EXPERT OPINIONS - IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE - PROTESTS AROUND THE KILLING OF - GEORGE FLOYD. - WE CAN ANALYZE IT FIRST-PERSON. - TONIGHT, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR - DAWN TURNER SHARES HER HUMBLE - OPINION ON WHY WE ALL NEED TO - MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE - PANDEMIC AND THE PROTESTS. - >> WHEN I WAS A COLUMNIST FOR - E "CHICAGO TRIBUNE," I OFTEN - WROTE ABOUT RACE AND POOR - AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES. - MANY TIMES WELL-MEANING WHITE - READERS WOULD ASK ME: "WHAT CAN - I DO?" - I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS - PANDEMIC HAS AFFORDED YOU A - VANTAGE POINT LIKE NONE OTHER. - THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW - WHAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN POOR - COMMUNITIES FACE AND FEEL EVERY - DAY, LONG BEFORE COVID. - I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER WHAT IT - FEELS LIKE TO STAND IN LONG - LINES TO ENTER STORES. - BECAUSE IN POOR BLACK - COMMUNITIES, SOME MERCHANTS, - FEARING THEFT FROM A FEW BAD - APPLES, HAVE LONG RESTRICTED THE

- NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY ALLOW IN - AT ONE TIME. - AND THOSE PLEXIGLASS DIVIDERS - THAT PROTECT STORE WORKERS NOW? - WELL, THEIR BULLETPROOF COUSINS - HAVE BEEN MOUNTED IN STORES IN - BLACK COMMUNITIES FOR AGES. - I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THE KNOT - OF ANXIETY YOU FEEL WONDERING - WHETHER THERE WILL BE ENOUGH - EGGS OR MEAT OR EVEN TOILET - PAPER ON STORE SHELVES. - POOR PEOPLE LIVING IN FOOD - DESERTS FACE SCARCITY ALL THE - TIME. - I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THE - UNEASE OF WALKING PAST BOARDED - UP BUSINESSES AND JOGGING DOWN - BARREN STREETS. - BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT POOR BLACK - PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BLIGHTED - COMMUNITIES EXPERIENCE EVERY - DAY. - I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER WHAT IT - FEELS LIKE TO HAVE TO HOLE UP IN - UR HOUSE BECAUSE THE WORLD - BEYOND YOUR DOOR IS DANGEROUS - AND FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO COULD - COST YOU YOUR LIFE. - I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER WHAT IT - FEELLIKE TO LOSE YOUR JOB AND - NOT ONLY TO BE STRIPPED OF VITAL - INCOME AND ALL THAT ENTAILS, BUT - OF PURPOSE. - AND THOSE SOCIAL CONNECTIONS - THAT MOTIVATE AND INSPIRE US.

- I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER HOW IT - FEELS TO HAVE TO STAND IN LINE - TO ASK FOR A HAND-OUT AND HOW - YOU WORRY THAT PEOPLE WILL ASK - YOU: HOW DID YOU GET YOURSELF IN - THIS SITUATION? - IF YOU TAKE AWAY NOTHING ELSE - FROM THIS PANDEMIC, I WANT YOU - TO REMEMBER HOW POWERLESS AND - HOPELESS AND DISAFCTED THIS - MOMENT HAS RENDERED YOU. - I WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT FOR - POOR BLACK PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT A - MOMENT. - IF THIS PANDEMIC OFFERS EVEN A - SMIDGEON OF EMPATHY, THEN MAYBE - YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE MIGHT - RISE UP AND RAGE. - >> Woodruff: AND THAT'S THE - 9NEWSHOUR FOR TONIGHT. - I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. - FOR ALL OF US AT THE PBS - NEWSHOUR, THANK YOU, PLEASE STAY - SAFE, AND SEE YOU SOON. - >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE PBS - NEWSHOUR HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY: - >> THE FORD FOUNDATION. - WORKINWITH VISIONARIES ON THE

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