PBS NewsHour; December 17, 2021, 3:00pm-4:00pm PST

- Captioning sponsored by - NEWSHOUR PRODUCTIONS, LLC - >> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING. - I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. - ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT: - ON TRIAL. - FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE - OFFICER KIM POTTER TAKES - THE STAND IN HER OWN DEFENSE IN - THE TRIAL OVER THE KILLING OF - DAUNTE WRIGHT. - THEN, HIGH STAKES. - THE BIDEN AGENDA FACES AN - UNCERTAIN FUTURE AS HIS - POCY PRIORITIES SUFFER - MAJOR SETBACKS IN THE SENATE. - PLUS, THE PANDEMIC IN AFRICA. - THE OMICRON AND DELTA VARIANTS - OF COVID-19 PLAGUE THE CONTINENT - AMID VACCINE HESITANCY AND - RESISTANCE TO SAFETY PROTOCOLS. - >> Reporter: IN CITIES ACROSS - AFRICA, BUSINESS SEEMS TO GO ON - AS USUAL IN THE WAY IT DID - BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. - PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN UP ON MASKS, - AND IN MANY PLACES, THERE IS - VIRTUALLY NO SOCIAL DISTANCING. - >> Woodruff: AND, IT'S FRIDAY. - DAVID BROOKS AND JONATHAN

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- >> THE DEFENSE CALLS KIM POTTER - TO THE STAND. - >> Yang: TODAY, FORMER BROOKLYN - CENTER, MINNESOTA POLICE OFFICER - KIM POTTER TOLD JURORS OF THE - MOMENT, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, WHEN - SHE SHOT AND KILLED DAUNTE - WRIGHT DURING A TRAFFIC STOP-- - REACHING FOR HER TASER, BUT - PULLING HER GUN-- SEEING THE - LOOK ON ANOTHER OFFICER'S FACE. - >> AND I CAN SEE SERGEANT - JOHNSON AND THE DRIVER - STRUGGLING OVER THE GEAR SHIFT, - BECAUSE I CAN SEE JOHNSON'S - HAND, AND THEN I CAN SEE HIS - FACE-- - HE HAD A LOOK OF FEAR ON HIS - FACE. - IT'S NOTHING I'D SEEN BEFORE. - >> WHAT DID YOU DO? - >> WE WERE STRUGGLING; WE WERE - TRYING TO KEEP HIM FROM DRIVING - AWAY. - IT JUST, IT JUST WENT... - CHAOTIC... AND - AND THEN, I REMEMBER YELLING

- "TASER, TASER, TASER," AND - NOTHING HAPPENED. - AND THEN HE TOLD ME I SHOT HIM. - >> Yang: DURING CROSS - EXAMINATION, PROSECUTOR - ERIN ELDRIDGE UNDERSCORED - POTTER'S 26 YEARS OF POLICE - EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING, - INCLUDING HOW NOT TO CONFUSE HER - TASER AND HER GUN. - ELDRIDGE PRESSED HER ON WHETHER - SHE FELT THREATENED BY WRIGHT. - >> NEVER SAID "I'M GOING TO KILL - YOU"? - >> NO. - >> NEVER SAID "I'M GOING TO - SHOOT YOU"? - >> NO. - >> NEVER SAID, "THERE'S A GUN - IN THE CAR AND I'M COMING AFTER - YOU"? - >> NO. - >> Yang: THE PROSECUTOR ALSO - ASKED IF POTTER DID ANYTHING - TO HELP WRIGHT, AFTER HE'D BEEN - SHOT. - >> YOU DIDN'T RUN DOWN THE - STREET AND TRY TO SAVE DAUNTE - WRIGHT'S LIFE? - DID YOU? - >> NO. - >> YOU WERE FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU - HAD DONE. - BECAUSE YOU HAD JUST KILLED - SOMEBODY. - >> I'M SORRY IT HAPPENED. - >> Yang: THE INCIDENT BEGAN - AS A TRAFFIC STOP, BUT WRIGHT - TRIED TO FLEE AFTER A STRUGGLE - WITH OFFICERS WHO ATTEMPTED TO - ARREST HIM FOR AN OUTSTANDING

- WEAPONS WARRANT. - >> HOLY ( BLEEP ), I JUST SHOT - HIM. - I SHOT THE WRONG ( BLEEP ) GUN. - >> Yang: THE DEFENSE ARGUED - THAT, MISTAKE OR NOT, - DEADLY FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED TO - STOP WRIGHT. - POTTER IS CHARGED WITH FIRST AND - SECOND DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER. - IF CONVICTED, SHE'D FACE YEARS - IN PRISON. - CLOSING ARGUMENTS ARE SET FOR - MONDAY. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - JOHN YANG. - >> Woodruff: IN THE DAY'S - OTHER NEWS, COVID VACCINE MAKER - PFIZER FORECAST THE PANDEMIC - WILL LAST UNTIL 2024, NOW THAT - THE OMICRON VARIANT HAS EMERGED. - THE COMPANY ALSO SAID IT IS - WORKING ON A THREE-DOSE VACCINE - FOR CHILDREN TWO TO 16; - ACKNOWLEDGING ITS TWO-DOSE - REGIMEN IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS - HOPED. - AND, THE C.D.C. ENDORSED LETTING - STUDENTS STAY IN CLASS IF THEY - ARE EXPOSED TO COVID, BUT TEST - NEGATIVE. - OFFICIALS TOUTED THE POLICY OVER - HOME QUARANTINES. - >> TEST-TO-STAY IS AN - ENCOURAGING PUBLIC HEALTH

- PRACTICE TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN IN - SCHOOL, AND C.D.C. IS UPDATING - OUR MATERIALS TO HELP SCHOOLS - AND PARENTS KNOW HOW TO BEST - IMPLEMENT THIS PROMISING AND NOW - PROVEN PRACTICE. - >> Woodruff: MEANWHILE, - COVID OUTBREAKS FORCED THE - NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE TO - DELAY THREE GAMES. - THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE HAS - SHUT DOWN THREE TEAMS THROUGH - CHRISTMAS. - AND, A NUMBER OF PRO AND COLLEGE - BASKETBALL GAMES HAVE BEEN - CALLED OFF. - OFFICIALS IN WESTERN KENTUCKY - HAVE CONFIRMED TWO ME DEATHS - AS A RESULT OF LAST FRIDAY'S - TORNADOES. - GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR ANNOUNCED - THE TOTAL HAS REACHED 77-- - THE MOST OF ANY STORM IN THE - STATE'S HISTORY. - ONE PERSON IS STILL MISSING. - RUSSIA PUBLISHED DEMANDS TODAY - THAT NATO GET OUT OF CENTRAL AND - EASTERN EUROPE, AND DENY - MEMBERSHIP TO UKRAINE. - THE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES HAVE - REJECTED THOSE DEMANDS BEFORE. - MOSCOW RAISED THEM AGAIN, AS IT - DEPLOYS THOUSANDS OF TROOPS TO - ITS BORDER WITH UKRAINE. - BACK IN THIS COUNTRY, THE - U.S. SENATE HEADED TOWARD THE

- HOLIDAYS, WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN'S - HUGE DOMESTIC SPENDING BILL IN - LIMBO. - DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY LEADER - CHUCK SCHUMER CITED THE - PRESIDENT'S STATEMENT MADE LAST - NIGHT, ACKNOWLEDGING THEY LACK - THE VOTES TO ACT BY CHRISTMAS. - >> THE PRESIDENT REQUESTED - MORE TIME TO CONTINUE HIS - NEGOTIATIONS. - AND SO, WE WILL KEEP WORKING - WITH HIM, HAND IN HAND, TO BRING - THIS BILL OVER THE FINISH LINE - AND DELIVER ON THESE MUCH-NEEDED - PROVISIONS. - >> Woodruff: THE PRESIDENT TODAY - TALKED UP VOTING RIGHTS BILLS, - IN A COMMENCEMENT ADDRESS AT - SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY. - THOSE MEASURES ARE ALSO STALLED - IN THE SENATE, BUT MR. BIDEN - SAID THE BATTLE IS NOT OVER. - A FLORIDA MAN WHO ATTACKED - U.S. CAPITOL POLICE ON JANUARY 6 - WAS SENTENCED TODAY TO MORE THAN - FIVE YEARS IN PRISON. - THAT IS THE TOUGHEST PENALTY YET - FOR ANY OF THE RIOTERS. - AND, TRUMP ALLY ROGER STONE - REFUSED TO ANSWER CONGRESSIONAL - QUESTIONS ON THE ASSAULT. - HE INVOKED HIS RIGHT AGAINST - SELF-INCRIMINATION. - SCHOOLS AROUND THE COUNTRY - WERE ON EDGE TODAY AFTER

- SHOOTING AND BOMB THREATS ON THE - SOCIAL MEDIA APP TIKTOK. - LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES SAID - THE POSTS WERE NOT CONSIDERED - CREDIBLE. - EVEN SO, SCHOOLS IN AT LEAST - HALF A DOZEN STATES CALLED IN - EXTRA POLICE, AND SOME CANCELED - CLASSES ALTOGETHER. - AND ON WALL STREET, THE DOW - JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST - 532 POINTS-- 1.5%-- TO CLOSE AT - 35,365. - THE NASDAQ FELL TEN POINTS. - THE S&P 500 SLIPPED 48-- 1%. - STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: - AN EXHAUSTIVE FACT-CHECK OF THE - 2020 ELECTION DISPELS MYTHS OF - WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD. - THE ECONOMICS BEHIND WHY MANY - TOYS ARE OUT OF STOCK THIS - HOLIDAY SEASON. - SINGER-SONGWRITER BRANDI CARLILE - REFLECTS ON HER RISE TO STARDOM. - PLUS, MUCH MORE. - >> Woodruff: IT WAS A WEEK OF - SETBACKS FOR THE BIDEN AGENDA

- AND DEMOCRATS IN CONTROL OF - CONGRESS. - A KEY PIECE OF IMMIGRATION - REFORM HIT A WALL IN THE SENATE, - AND VOTING RIGHTS BILLS HAVE - STALLED. - FRUSTRATED DEMOCRATS TODAY - INTENSIFIED TALKS OF CHANGING - THE 60-VOTE FILIBUSTER. - LISA DESJARDINS HAS BEEN TALKING - WITH SOME KEY FIGURES INVOLVED, - AND SHE JOINS ME NOW. - SO, HELLO, LISA.YOU AND I TALKEE - LAST EVENING ABOUT IMMIGRATION, - WHERE IT STOOD, BUT THEN, - SHORTLY AFTER THAT, WE LEARNED - THAT THE DEMOCRATIC HOPES FOR - IMMIGRATION REFORM HAVE HIT A - BIG WALL. - TELL US ABOUT IT. - >> Reporter: FIRST A QUICK - REMINDER THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE 50 - VOTES IN THE SENATE, A SENATE - WHICH USUALLY REQUIRES 60 VOTES - TO GET PAST A FILIBUSTER WHICH - CAN BLOCK ALMOST ANY PIECE OF - LEGISLATION. - TO GET PAST THAT, THEY'RE TRYING - TO USE A BUDGET RECONCILIATION - PROCESS TO PASS MANY PIECES OF - THE BI BIND AGENDA AND ONE OF TM - IS IMMIGRATION REFORM. - THE PLAN IS NOT GOING TO PASS

- MUSTER FOR THE BUDGETARY - PROCESS. - LET'S REMIND PEOPLE WHAT THE - PLAN WAS. - FIRST OF ALL, DEMOCRATS WERE - PROPOSING PAROLE, A STATUS THAT - COULD NOT LEAD TO A PATH OF - CITIZENSHIP BUT WOULD GIVE A - LEGALIZED STATUS TO SOME SIX OR - SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS - COUNTRY RIGHT NOW WHO ARE - UNDOCUMENTED, AND, YOU KNOW, - LAST NIGHT, WE DID PLAY VOICES - FROM INTERVIEWS THAT OUR - PRODUCER HAS DONE WITH SOME DACA - RECIPIENTS AND TEMPORARY - PROTECTIVE STATUS RECIPIENTS. - THOSE VOICES ARE IMPORTANT, AND - THEY HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE - WORDS, ESPECIALLY THE SENATE - PARLIAMENTARIAN. - IT IS THE SENATE PARLIAMENTARIAN - WHO DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT THOSE - PROPOSALS WERE GOING TO FIT THIS - BUDGETARY RECONCILIATION - MUSTER -- DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH OF - A BUDGETARY EFFECT. - HERE'S WHAT ELIZABETH MCDONOUGH - THE PARLIAMENTARIAN WROTE, - ACCORDING TO EMAIL PROVIDED TO - ME BY SOME SOURCES. - SHE SAID, THESE ARE SUBSTANTIAL - POLICY CHANGES WITH LASTING - EFFECTS JUST LIKE THOSE WE - PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED FROM - DEMOCRATS, AND THOSE EFFECTS

- OUTWEIGH THE BUDGETARY IMPACT. - ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE SAYING THIS - IS MORE OF A POLICY CHANGE, IT'S - NOT A BUDGETARY CHANGE. - AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, DEMOCRATS - VERY DISTRESSED ABOUT THIS, - UPSET, INCLUDING SOME MEMBERS OF - THE CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS. - THREE MEMBERS WROTE SAYING - DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING - THEY CAN TO GET TO A PATH TO - CITIZENSHIP FOR UNDOCUMENTED - IMMIGRANTS, EVEN IF THAT MEANS - DISREGARDING THE SENATE - PARLIAMENTARIAN. - SO THAT LEADS TO THIS QUESTION, - CAN DEMOCRATS OVERRULE THE - PARLIAMENTARIAN? - YES, JUDY, THEY CAN, BUT - POLITICALLY THERE IS NOT THE - SENSE THEY'D DO THAT, THERE IS - NOT 50 VOTES TO DO THAT. - SO THIS LED US TO TALK TO THOSE - DACA RECIPIENTS AND OTHERS TODAY - FOR THEIR REACTION TO THIS NEWS, - AND I WANT TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE - FOLKS THAT WE TALKED TO WHO TOLD - US WHAT HIS REACTION WAS TODAY. - >> AS SOMEONE WHO HAS - >> AS SOMEONE WHO HAS DACA AND - HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY BEEN

- PLAGUED WITH POLITICAL FOOTBALL - ON MY FUTURE TO STAY IN THIS - COUNTRY, AND WITH THE IMPENDING - FEAR OF COURT-- OR, COURT RULING - OVER DACA PROGRAM, I THINK I - WANTED SOME PERMANENCY. - AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS - NO RELIEF GIVES ME A LOT OF - STRESS AND ANXIETY FOR WHAT'S - ABOUT TO COME. - >> Reporter: STRESS FOR HIM - BUT RELIEF FOR CONSEATIVES WHO - WERE WORRIED STATUS FOR - UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS COULD - MAKE THINGS AT THE BORDER WORSE. - >> Woodruff: LISA, ANOTHER BIG - ISSUE HANGING IN THE BALANCE, - VOTING RIGHTS, LACK OF PROGRESS - ON THIS SEEMS TO BE INTENSIFYING - DISCUSSION AROUND HOW TO GET - AROUND THE SENATE RULE OF THE - FILIBUSTER. - TELL US WHERE THINGS STAND ON - THAT. - >> Reporter: WE'LL TALK ABOUT - THIS MORE IN THE FUTURE, JUDY, - BUT QUICKLY I WANT TO GO OVER - WHAT PROPOSALS I KNOW DEMOCRATS - ARE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING TO GET - AROUND THE FILIBUSTER. - FIRST THE IDEA OF ENFORCING THE - CURRENT RULES THAT THEY HAVE, - ESPECIALLY FORCING SENATORS TO

- ACTUALLY TALK DURING A - FILIBUSTER LIMITING THEM TO TWO - SPEECHES EACH, THAT COULD LAST - DAYSWEEKS, MONTHS, BUT - DEMOCRATS SAY MAYBE WE NEED TO - DO THAT. - THE OTHER OPTION THEY'RE - CONSIDERING IS SWITCHING THE - FILIBUSTER FROM 60 VOTES TO END - THE FILIBUSTER TO 41 IN ORDER TO - KEEP IT GOING. - THESE TALKS ARE VERY REAL - INCLUDING WITH SENATOR JOE - MANCHIN. - >> Woodruff: AND WE KNOW - YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO - FOLLOW THAT EVEN AS CONGRESS IS - GETTING READY TO GO HOME FOR THE - HOLIDAY. - LISA DESJARDINS, WE LOVE THE - CHRISTMAS TREE. - THANK YOU. - >> Reporter: THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: WE ARE JUST A WEEK - AWAY FROM CHRISTMAS, AND FOR - SOME PARENTS, FINDING THAT - SPECIFIC TOY THEIR CHILD WANTS - HAS BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE THIS - SEASON. - THAT IS DUE IN PART TO THE - SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS AROUND - THE GLOBE, AND HOW IT LANDS - BACK HERE.

- SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT AND - "WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST - CATHERINE RAMPELL HAS THE STORY. - ( LAUGHTER ) - >> Reporter: IN YEARS PAST, - HOT TOYS HAVE RUN LOW, OR - RUN OUT. - REMEMBER TICKLE-ME-ELMO? - AND THE FRENZY OVER FURBY? - BUT THIS YEAR, THE OUT-OF-STOCK - SIGNS POPPED UP EARLIER-- NOT - JUST FOR THE TRENDY TOYS, - WHOSE SUDDEN POPULARITY IS - HARD TO PREDICT, BUT SOME OF - THE CLASSICS, TOO. - >> I CALLED THE OWNER AND - I WAS LIKE, "ARE YOU SERIOUSLY - TELLING ME WE'RE NOT GOING TO - HAVE A WOODEN RAILWAY SET FOR - CHRISTMAS?" - YOU KNOW, I WAS A LITTLE BIT IN - DENIAL. - AND HE WAS LIKE, "YES, I AM - TELLING YOU THAT TRAIN SET IS - DONE FOR THE YR." - >> Reporter: SHARON GISH HAS - MANAGED OMAHA'S FAT BRAIN TOYS - STORE FOR 14 HOLIDAY SEASONS. - ON THE GAME WALL? - NO ARCADE BASKETBALL; NO PINBALL - MACHINES, SAYS ANN MESSBARGER. - >> RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE OUT OF - STOCK. - WE'RE UNSURE IF WE'LL GET MORE. - >> Reporter: THE PROBLEM IS - SURGING CONSUMER DEMAND, PLUS - SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. - HIGHER PRICES FOR RAW MATERIALS, - BACKED-UP PORTS, AND TRUCKING

- SHORTAGES HAVE MADE IT MORE - DIFFICULT FOR TOY COMPANIES TO - STAY STOCKED. - TAKE THE FAT BRAIN TOYS - DISTRIBUTION CENTER-- ON - OUR RECENT VISIT, WORKERS WERE - BUSY FILLING ORDERS. - >> WE DEFINITELY ARE STARTING TO - RUN OUT OF STOCK ON A FEW ITEMS. - NORMALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE GAPS - LIKE THIS START TO COME UP FOR - ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO. - >> Reporter: MARK AND - KAREN CARSON ARE THE - COMPANY'S FOUNDERS. - >> OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE'RE, - YOU KNOW, AT OUR PEAK, BY BLACK - FRIDAY, WE'D HAVE AN IN-STOCK - RATE OF ABOUT 90%, WOULD BE THE - WOULD BE THE GOAL. - THIS YEAR WE'RE AT ABOUT 65%. - >> Reporter: FULFILLING ORDERS - FOR THEIR HOTTEST ITEMS, LIKE - THE SILICONE PUSH-AND-POP TOY - DUBBED “THE DIMPL,” HAS BEEN A - CHALLENGE. - >> UNFORTUNATELY, AT THE - EXACT SAME TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, - THE MOST DEMAND WAS-- WAS OUT - THERE FOR IT, WE COULD NOT-- - >> FULFILL. - >> --FULFILL, AND IT WASN'T THAT - WE WEREN'T PLACING THE ORDERS. - JUST, WE COULD NOT GET THEM-- - GET THEM HERE. - >> Reporter: THEY'RE DOING ALL - THEY CAN TO GET STOCK IN. - ARE THERE STILL ORDERS THAT YOU - PLACED A LONG TIME AGO, THAT - YOU'RE WAITING TO ARRIVE? - >> WE HAVE 50-PLUS ON THE WATER - THAT ARE-- THAT WE JUST CAN'T

- GET OUR HANDS ON. - >> YOU KNOW, 50 CONTAINERS OF - PRODUCT THAT IS SOMEWHERE - BETWEEN HERE AND-- AND-- AND-- - ON THE WATER. - >> Reporter: AND WHAT DOES THAT - MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE VALUE OF - THE PRODUCT YOU'RE WAITING ON? - >> I SAID HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. - AND, WHAT DID YOU SAY? - >> IT'S MILLIONS. - ( LAUGHS ) - >> THAT KIND OF HURTS. - ( LAUGHS ) - >> Reporter: WHATEVER STOCK - DOES COME IN, SOMETIMES SELLS - OUT IMMEDIATELY, ESPECIALLY - SINCE CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN WARNED - TO SHOP EARLY. - >> I AM SHOPPING EARLY, JUST - BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT - ALL THE SHIPS SITTING OUT IN - CALIFORNIA WAITING TO UNLOAD AND - WHAT HAVE YOU. - >> Reporter: CASEY BAILEY SAID - STOCKS WERE LOW AT THE STORES - SHE'S VISITED. - >> EVERYTHING IS SO PICKED OVER, - OR THE SHELVES ARE REALLY EMPTY. - >> Reporter: STAFF HERE ARE - CONFIDENT THEY CAN FIND THE - PERFECT TOY FOR EVERY CHILD-- - BUT IF YOUR HEART IS SET ON A“ - SPIN-AGAIN,” YOU MAY BE - DISAPPOINTED. - HAS IT BEEN HARD TO KEEP THESE - IN STOCK? - >> YES, IT HAS BEEN. - WE EITHER HAVE A MOUNTAIN OF - THEM, OR NONE OF THEM. - YES. - >> PEOPLE HAVE CASH IN THEIR

- WALLETS. - THEY DIDN'T SPEND IT ON ALL - THOSE EXPERIENCES LAST YEAR. - >> Reporter: JULI LENNETT, - TOYS INDUSTRY ANALYST FOR THE - NPD GROUP. - >> THEY'RE SPENDING MORE, AND - WE HAVE THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES - ON TOP OF IT. - SO, THE BIG WINNERS THIS YEAR - FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON ARE - GOING TO BE THE TOYS THAT ARE - ACTUALLY ON THE SHELF. - >> Reporter: OF COURSE, MANY - HAVEN'T BEEN. - >> THERE ARE A LOT OF SELLOUTS - RIGHT NOW. - FIRST AND FOREMOST, TRADING - CARDS. - MAGIC MIXIES. - I HAVE NOT SEEN MAGIC MIXIES ON - THE SHELF FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW. - IF YOU SEE IT, BUY IT. - >> Reporter: THE CHRISTMAS TREE - STILL WON'T BE BARE, ASSUMING - KIDS ARE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE. - >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE - PRETTY TOUGH ON PARENTS IF THEIR - CHILD HAS A VERY SPECIFIC LIST. - IF THEY SAY "I JUST WANT A - BARBIE DOLL," YOU'LL BE ABLE TO - FIND A BARBIE DOLL. - IF THEY ASK FOR A VERY SPECIFIC - ONE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT - OF A HARDER TIME. - >> Reporter: BIGGER RETAILERS - FOUND CREATIVE-- AND COSTLY-- - WAYS TO NAVIGATE THE PROBLEMS, - SAYS UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN - PROFESSOR RAVI ANUPINDI. - >> WAL-MART AND TARGET AND - COSTCO, THEY CHARTERED THEIR - OWN SHIPS TO BRING STUFF INTO - THE COUNTRY.

- SO, FOR THEM, THE DISTRIBUTION - PROBLEM WILL BE LESS OF A - HEADACHE. - >> Reporter: MEANWHILE, SMALLER - COMPANIES ARE STRUGGLING TO - NAVIGATE THESE ROUGH SEAS. - >> I THINK ALL I WANT FOR - CHRISTMAS IS OCEAN BOOKINGS. - SO, IF YOU SEE SANTA, ASK HIM - FOR SOME EXTRA CONTAINER SPACE. - >> Reporter: JOSH LOERZEL'S - STARTUP, SKY CASTLE TOYS, MAKE“" - LET'S GLOW STUDIO.” - KIDS USE THE SPECIAL GLOWING - STICKERS IN TIK-TOK VIDEOS. - THE COMPANY LAUNCHED LAST YEAR. - >> AND, OF COURSE, 2021 WAS - LIKE, "HOLD MY BEER, 2020! - YOU THOUGHT THE PANDEMIC WAS - BAD?" - >> Reporter: HE WAS PLANNING IN - THE DARK. - >> SO, TYPICALLY WE'D PAY AROUND - $3,000 FOR A 40-FOOT CONTAINER, - YOU KNOW, THREE TO FOUR, - DEPENDING. - THE MOST RECENT CONTAINERS WE - SHIPPED WERE $25,000. - SO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, LIKE, A - SIX-TIMES INCREASE. - SO IT'S BEEN NUTS. - >> Reporter: RAW MATERIAL COSTS - HAVE RISEN, TOO. - >> A.B.S. PLASTIC COSTS UP 31%. - E.V.A. FOAM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, - FOAM TOYS-- IS IN A LOT OF TOYS. - THAT'S UP 62%. - >> Reporter: RELUCTANTLY, HE'S - HAD TO RAISE HIS OWN PRICES. - OTHER SMALL TOY COMPANIES ARE - ALSO FACING GHER COSTS, AND - TRYING TO LIMIT HOW MUCH THEY

- PASS ONTO CUSTOMERS. - "HEY, BUDDY, HEY, PAL" MAKES - HOLIDAY DECORATING KITS, - INCLUDING FOR EASTER EGGS. - >> I AM THE CHIEF FINANCIAL - EGG-XPERT. - >> Reporter: COMPANY CO-FOUNDER - CURTIS McGILL LOVES TO CRACK - THOSE EGG PUNS. - >> MY KIDS THINK THEY'RE - G-XCRUCIATING WHEN I USE THEM - ALL THE TIME, BUT... - YOU'RE INTERVIEWING ME FROM THE - EGG-QUARTERS. - >> Reporter: JOKES ASIDE, IT'S - BEEN A HARD YEAR. - >> YOU COULD SAY YOU HAD A - CONTAINER AND, THREE DAYS LATER, - THEY WOULD SAY, SORRY, WE GAVE - IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. - >> Reporter: HE ADAPTED BY - CRAMMING IN MORE UNITS EACH TIME - HE DID BOOK A SHIPPING - CONTAINER. - >> WE MADE OUR PACKAGING 30% - SMALLER. - SO, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU DO - LIGHTLY IN THIS BUSINESS. - IF YOU CAN IMAGINE YOUR PACKAGE - ON A SHELF WITH 100 OTHER TOYS - AT YOUR BILLBOARD, THAT'S HOW - YOU TELL YOUR STORY AND SET - YOURSELF APART. - >> Reporter: A FEW MONTHS AGO, - McGILL CANCELED ENTIRE SHIPMENTS - OF HIS CHRISTMAS PRODUCT DUE TO - LONGER TRANSIT TIMES. - >> AND WE SHIFTED GEARS TO OUR - EASTER PRODUCT. - SO OUR EGG-AMAZING EGG IS-- IS

- OUR BREAD AND BUTTER. - AND WE KNEW WE HAD TO HAVE IT - HERE IN TIME FOR EASTER. - WE LEFT HALF OF OUR-- OUR - CHRISTMAS ITEMS IN CHINA. - >> Reporter: THESE PRODUCTS ARE - ALREADY MADE. - THEY'RE ALREADY MANUFACTURED AND - READY TO BE SOLD. - BUT THEY'RE IN A WAREHOUSE - SOMEWHERE IN CHINA. - >> IN CHINA, RIGHT NOW. - YES, MA'AM. - >> Reporter: WOULD YOU EVER - CONSIDER MOVING SOME OF THE - PRODUCTION TO THE UNITED STATES, - OR SOMEWHERE ELSE CLOSER BY? - WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? - >> WE ACTUALLY SET OUT TO DO - THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. - IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT, - OUR PRODUCT WOULD BE ALMOST - THREE TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE, SO - WE KNEW THAT WASN'T AN OPTION. - >> Reporter: MOST TOYS ARE MADE - IN CHINA. - BUT EVEN THE FEW TOYS ALREADY - MANUFACTURED IN THE U.S. HAVE - HAD DISRUPTIONS, LIKE THESE - NAME PUZZLES CARVED AT FAT BRAIN - TOYS' DISTRIBUTION CENTER. - >> THREE DIFFERENT TIMES THIS - YEAR, WE'VE ACTUALLY COMPLETELY - RUN OUT OF WOOD. - THE MILLS HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN - BECAUSE OF WORKER SHORTAGES. - AND THEN, ONCE THEY DID GET - FIRED BACK UP, THEN THEY DIDN'T - HAVE TRUCK DRIVERS TO GET IT - FROM PORTLAND ALL THE WAY TO

- OMAHA. - >> Reporter: FORTUNATELY FOR US, - CARSON WAS EVENTUALLY ABLE TO - REPLENISH THOSE WOOD SUPPLIES. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - CATHERINE RAMPELL IN NEBRASKA. - >> Woodruff: AS THE OMICRON - VARIANT SENDS A FOURTH WAVE OF - PATIENTS TO HOSPITALS ACROSS - SOUTHERN AFRICA, LEADERS THERE, - AND ACROSS THE CONTINENT, - ARE POINTING FINGERS AT WEALTHY - NATIONS. - SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL - BALEKE REPORTS FROM UGANDA. - >> Reporter: IT'S APPROACHING - HIGH SEASON AS THE SUMMER BEGINS - IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE. - BUT, TOURIST SPOTS IN CAPE TOWN - ARE ABANDONED. - THE HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS ARE - EMPTY, AS SOUTH AFRICA'S - HOSPITALS BEGIN TO FILL UP, - JAMMED WITH PATIENTS INFECTED - WITH BOTH THE OMICRON AND DELTA - CORONAVIRUS VARIANTS. - JOE PHAALA IS THE MINISTER OF

- HEALTH FOR SOUTH AFRICA. - >> THE NUMBER OF CASES IN THE - FOURTH WAVE HAVE EXCEEDED THE - PEAKS OF THE THIRD, THE SECOND, - AND THE FIRST WAVES. - >> Reporter: THE OMICRON VARIANT - WAS FIRST DETECTED IN SOUTHERN - AFRICA LAST MONTH, AND AFRICA - ACCOUNTS FOR NEARLY HALF OF - ALL OMICRON CASES REPORTED - ACROSS THE GLOBE. - AFRICA C.D.C.'S DIRECTOR, - JOHN NKENGASONG, SAYS COVID-19 - INFECTIONS ARE SURGING ON THE - CONTINENT, AND RESEARCH IS - UNDERWAY TO SEE IF OMICRON IS - FUELING THAT SURGE. - LATEST FIGURES FROM THE WORLD - HEALTH ORGANIZATION SHOW, HE - THE AFRICAN CONTINENT HAS - REPORTED CLOSE TO 298,000 NEW - CASES IN JUST THE LAST WEEK. - >> IF YOU NOW LOOK AT THE - DIFFERENT REGIONS WHERE A LOT OF - CASES ARE COMING FROM, 79% OF - THE CASES ARE COMING FROM - SOUTHERN AFRICA. - >> Reporter: THE DISCOVERY OF - OMICRON TRIGGERED A CASCADE OF - REACTION, WITH MANY COUNTRIES - CLOSING THEIR BORDERS TO SOUTH

- AFRICANS, AND FOREIGN TOURISTS - STAYING AWAY. - THAT'S SPARKED A WAVE OF - OUTRAGE, AND CRIES OF BETRAYAL - ACROSS AFRICA. - UGANDAN HEALTHCARE ACTIVIST - SYLVIA NAKASI SAYS THE DECISION - TO CALL OUT SOUTH AFRICA WAS - RUSHED. - >> WHEN YOU THINK BACK, YOU SAY, - IS IT BECAUSE IT'S AN AFRICAN - COUNTRY THAT HAS ANNOUNCED? - BECAUSE OTHER VARIANTS HAVE BEEN - FOUND IN INDIA, AND OTHER - COUNTRIES LIKE THE U.K., BUT WE - DIDN'T HEAR THAT RUSHED DECISION - TO TRAVEL BANS. - >> Reporter: THE TOURIST - INDUSTRY WAS SET TO REBOUND THIS - HOLIDAY SEASON AFTER TWO YEARS - OF THE PANDEMIC, AND THOSE WHO - RELY ON TOURISTS TO MAKE A - LIVING ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S - YET TO COME. - PATSON MAKASA SELLS AFRICAN ART - AND FABRIC TO TOURISTS WHO COME - TO CAPE TOWN'S WORLD-FAMOUS - BEACHES. - >> ( translated ): I CAN'T - SURVIVE WITHOUT TOURISM. - YOU KNOW, HERE IN CAPE TOWN, IT - IS A TOURISM INDUSTRY. - >> Reporter: SURVIVAL, WHETHER - ECONOMIC OR HEALTH-RELATED:

- THAT'S THE CONCERN FOR MILLIONS - OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE CONTINENT. - AFRICA'S ATTEMPTS TO FIGHT THE - CORONAVIRUS HAVE BEEN UNDERMINED - BY A LACK OF VACCINES, BUT ALSO - THE SLOW UPTAKE OF THE AVAILABLE - DOSES, DUE TO HESITANCY AMONG - THE POPULATION. - THERE ARE ALSO DISTRIBUTION - CHALLENGES, LIKE THE LACK OF - COLD STORAGE FACILITIES, AND - POOR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH - HAS MADE IT DIFFICULT TO ACCESS - COMMUNITIES IN REMOTE AREAS. - WHILE WEALTHY NATIONS WERE - BUYING UP THE LION'S SHARE OF - VACCINES, AFRICAN NATIONS WAITED - FOR MONTHS FOR THE FIRST - VACCINES TO BEGIN TO TRICKLE IN. - A MISTRUST OF VACCINES CONTINUES - TO HAUNT THE CONTINENT, EVEN IN - COUNTRIES LIKE GHANA, THAT HAVE - ENOUGH VACCINES TO GO AROUND. - >> ( translated ): I DON'T WANT - TO TAKE THE VACCINE BECAUSE - I AM SCARED I MAY SUFFER SOME - SIDE EFFECTS. - I HAVE NOT BEEN INFECTED WITH - COVID-19, SO I DON'T SEE THE - NEED TO TAKE THE JAB.

- >> ( translated ): I THINK THE - VACCINE IS VERY DANGEROUS, WHICH - HAS SERIOUS EFFECTS WHEN WE GET - IT INJECTED IN OUR SYSTEM. - AND I DON'T BELIEVE I WILL GET - CORONAVIRUS. - >> Reporter: IN EAST AFRICA, - UGANDA HAS ANNOUNCED ITS FIRST - CASES OF OMICRON. - HEALTH MINISTER JANE RUTH ACENG - SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS RAMPING - UP EFFORTS TO GET VACCINES INTO - COMMUNITIES. - >> THE MORE COVID-19 CIRCULATES - AROUND THE COMMUNITIES, THE MORE - OPPORTUNITIES THE VIRUS HAS TO - CHANGE OR MUTATE. - IT IS THEREFORE EXTREMELY - IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL WORK TO - REDUCE THE CIRCULATION OF - COVID-19 VIRUS, TO INTERRUPT - MUTATIONS. - >> Reporter: UGANDA HAS SO FAR - RECEIVED MORE THAN 20 MILLION - DOSES OF THE COVID-19 VACCINES, - FROM THE U.S., THE U.K., EUROPE, - AND CHINA. - MORE THAN SEVEN MILLION OF - THOSE DOSES HAVE BEEN - ADMINISTERED TO A POPULATION OF - ABOUT 47 MILLION PEOPLE.

- BUT IN CITIES ACROSS AFRICA, - LIKE IN UGANDA'S CAPITAL, - KAMPALA, BUSINESS SEEMS TO GO ON - AS USUAL, IN THE WAY IT DID - BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. - PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN UP ON MASKS, - AND IN MANY PLACES, THERE IS - VIRTUALLY NO SOCIAL DISTANCING. - A CLEAR SIGN THAT AFRICA'S - PROSPECTS FOR A FULL RECOVERY - ANY TIME SOON ARE LOOKING - GRIMMER BY THE DAY. - JUST OVER 10% OF PEOPLE IN - AFRICA HAVE RECEIVED ONE DOSE OF - A VACCINE, COMPARED WITH MORE - THAN 60% IN NORTH AMERICA AND - EUROPE. - AFRICA BELIEVES IT'S BEARING THE - BRUNT OF PANICKED POLICIES FROM - THE WEALTHY WESTERN COUNTRIES - WHICH HOARDED THE VACCINES, AND - CAPE TOWN MAYOR GEORDIN HILL- - LEWIS SAYS THEY ARE MAKING - SOUTHERN AFRICA A COVID PARIAH. - >> THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S NOW - EMBARRASSING FOR THOSE - GOVERNMENTS TO GO BACK ON WHAT - THEY HAVE DONE, SO I THINK FOR - POLITICAL REASONS I AM AFRAID-- - NOT FOR REASONS OF DATA OR - SCIENCE-- IT IS DIFFICULT FOR

- THEM TO REVERSE THOSE TRAVEL - BANS. - SO, WE ARE EXPECTING THAT IT - WILL TAKE SOME TIME, BUT WE ARE - NOT LETTING THEM REST. - WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD. - OUR TEAMS ARE SPEAKING TO THOSE - GOVERNMENTS EVERY DAY. - >> Reporter: AMBASSADORS TO - WASHINGTON FROM 16 SOUTHERN - AFRICAN COUNTRIES ARE CALLING ON - THE WHITE HOUSE TO LIFT TRAVEL - RESTRICTIONS, CLAIMING THAT THEY - CONTROL STIGMATIZE AFRICA AND - DEVASTATE THE TOURISM INDUSTRY, - PUSHING THE HOPE OF ECONOMIC - RECOVERY FROM THE COVID-19 - PANDEMIC EVEN FARTHER OUT OF - REACH FOR MUCH OF THE AFRICAN - CONTINENT. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I AM - MICHAEL BALEKE IN KAMPALA. - >> Woodruff: MORE THAN A YEAR - AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN WON THE - PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, FORMER - PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES - INSIST-- WITHOUT EVIDENCE-- - THAT WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD LED - TO A STOLEN ELECTION. - A NEW, EXHAUSTIVE PIECE OF - REPORTING FROM THE ASSOCIATED

- PRESS SHOWS THAT SIMPLY IS NOT - TRUE. - A.P. REPORTERS WENT LOOKING - FOR CASES OF VOTER FRAUD IN - SIX STATES THAT TRUMP HAS - CHALLENGED, AND FOUND FEWER THAN - 475 POTENTIAL INSTANCES OUT OF - MORE THAN 25 MILLION VOTES CAST. - A NUMBER THAT WOULD NOT HAVE - COME CLOSE TO CHANGING THE - OUTCOME. - I SPOKE YESTERDAY TO CHRISTINA - CASSIDY, SHE'S ONE OF THE - REPORTERS FOR THE A.P. - CHRISTINA CASSIDY, THANK YOU SO - MUCH FOR JOINING US. - THIS WAS A DEEP AND WIDE-RANGING - EFFORT THAT YOU AND YOUR - COLLEAGUES MADE. - WHAT, THERE WERE YOU AND TEN - OTHER REPORTERS? - YOU TALKED TO, WHAT, 340 - ELECTION OFFICIALS ACROSS THESE - STATES. - WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO FIND - OUT? - >> HEADING INTO THE NOVEMBER 3 - ELECTION, WE WERE CERTAINLY - AWARE ABOUT VARIOUS STATEMENTS - BEING MADE ABOUT VOTER FRAUD. - WE WERE ALSO AWARE THAT ACADEMIC - STUDIES HAD SHOWN THAT IT WAS - EXCEPTIONALLY RARE. - BUT ONCE NOVEMBER 3rd HAPPENED - AND WE SAW EVERYTHING THAT

- HAPPENED SINCE, WE DECIDED AT - THE A.P. THAT WE WANTED TO GO TO - THE SOURCE. - WE WANTED TO LOOK FOR THE VOTER - FRAUD, AND WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY - WHAT VOTER FRAUD HAD OCCURRED-- - WHAT POTENTIAL VOTER FRAUD HAD - OCCURRED, IN THE NOVEMBER 3rd - ELECTION. - AND SO, WE EMBARKED ON THIS - REPORTING EFFORT, THAT INVOLVED - REPORTERS IN SIX STATES, THE - SIX STATES THAT WERE DISPUTED BY - PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES. - AND WE WENT TO THE LOCAL - ELECTION OFFICIALS, AND WE ASKED - THEM TO IDENTIFY FOR US ANY - POTENTIAL INSTANCES OF VOTER - FRAUD THAT THEY HAD FLAGGED - DURING THEIR POST-ELECTION - CERTIFICATION AND CANVASSING - WORK. - >> Woodruff: AND WHAT DID YOU - FIND? - >> WELL, IN THE END, WE FOUND IT - WAS JUST SHY OF 475 POTENTIAL - CASES OF VOTER FRAUD IN THOSE - SIX STATES, WHICH WOULD NOT - HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE - OUTCOME OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL

- ELECTION. - >> Woodruff: AND THIS WAS - OUT OF MILLIONS OF VOTES CAST, - IF YOU ADD UP ALL THE VOTES IN - THOSE STATES. - CHRISTINA, TELL US, JUST GIVE US - A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THE-- - OF THE-- THE FRAUD THAT YOU DID - FIND, THOSE INDIVIDUAL CASES. - >> SURE. - I MEAN, THEY RAN THE GAMUT. - YOU HAD INDIVIDUALS LIKE A - GENTLEMAN FROM WISCONSIN WHO WAS - A FELON, AND HE DID NOT - UNDERSTAND, OR DID NOT KNOW, - HE SAID, THAT HE-- HE THOUGHT - HE WAS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. - AND SO, HE-- HE VOTED. - AND IT TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, - WISCONSIN IS NOT ONE OF THOSE - STATES THAT HAVE LOOSENED LAWS - FOR FELON VOTING. - SO, THERE WAS THAT INSTANCE. - WE HAD A WOMAN IN MARICOPA - COUNTY WHO HAS BEEN CHARGED. - AUTHORITIES SAY THAT SHE - SUBMITTED A BALLOT ON BEHALF OF - HER MOTHER, WHO HAD DIED ABOUT A - MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION.

- AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OTHER - INSTANCES OF PEOPLE WHO HAD - SUBMITTED MAIL BALLOTS-- - EITHER THEY HAD MAILED THEM OR - DROPPED THEM OFF-- AND THOSE - BALLOTS SHOWED UP AFTER THEY HAD - VOTED IN PERSON, WHETHER IN - EARLY VOTING OR ON ELECTION DAY. - >> Woodruff: AND WE KNOW - THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, - THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM, - CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS NOTION OF - MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD, DESPITE ALL - EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. - AND YOU SPOKE TO THE FORMER - PRESIDENT. - WHAT DID HE SAY? - >> THE PRESIDENT DEFINITELY - SPOKE ABOUT HIS CONCERNS ABOUT - THE PANDEMIC-RELATED CHANGES, - AND HOW THERE WERE-- THAT THERE - WAS SUCH AN INCREASE IN-- IN - MAIL BALLOTS, AND HIS BELIEF - THAT THOSE ARE LESS SECURE. - BUT SPEAKING WITH ELECTION - OFFICIALS, THEY-- THEY STAND BY - THEIR PROTOCOLS AND THEIR - PROCEDURES IN PLACE.

- THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROCEDURES, - PROTOCOLS IN PLACE, GUARDRAILS - TO ENSURE THAT EVERY BALLOT IS - ACCOUNTED FOR. - MAIL BALLOTS THAT ARE SENT OUT, - THEY ARE LOGGED. - EVERY MAIL BALLOT THAT IS - RETURNED IS LOGGED. - THEY GO THROUGH VARIOUS SECURITY - CHECKS IN A NUMBER OF STATES. - THEY DO-- THEY CONDUCT SIGNATURE - VERIFICATION. - SO, WHEN THOSE BALLOTS COME IN, - THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE - SIGNATURES. - AND EVERY TIME A VOTER HAS HAD - CONTACT WITH THEIR ELECTION - OFFICE, WHETHER IT'S SIGNING A - PETITION, REQUESTING A BALLOT - APPLICATION, SUBMITTING A - BALLOT, THOSE SIGNATURES ARE ON - FILE, AND THEY'RE KEPT ON FILE. - AND SO, WHEN THOSE BALLOTS COME - IN, THEY'RE REVIEWED. - THEY LOOK AT THOSE SIGNATURES, - AND IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY, - THEY FLAG IT. - THEY CONTACT THE VOTERS. - THEY SAY, "HEY, THERE IS AN - ISSUE HERE. - YOU NEED TO COME IN AND PROVE - THAT THIS IS YOUR BALLOT." - AND IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T COME - IN, THAT BALLOT IS DISCARDED AND

- IS NOT COUNTED. - >> Woodruff: SO-- SO, LET ME - JUST ASK YOU, THERE ANY - POSSIBILITY, BASED ON WHAT YOU - FOUND, THAT THIS ELECTION COULD - HAVE BEEN COUNTED ERRONEOUSLY? - THAT THE RESULTS COULD HAVE - TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY THAN - THEY DID? - >> NOT BASED ON VOTER FRAUD, NO. - >> Woodruff: ALL RIGHT. - CHRISTINA CASSIDY. - AN EXHAUSTIVE PIECE OF REPORTING - FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: AND NOW, WE TURN TO - THE ANALYSIS OF BROOKS AND - CAPEHART. - THAT IS "NEW YORK TIMES" - COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS, AND - JONATHAN CAPEHART, COLUMNIST FOR - THE "WASHINGTON POST." - >> Woodruff: HELLO, GENTLEMEN. - VERY GOOD TO SEE BOTH OF YOU. - LET ME JUST START RIGHT OFF THE - BAT, JONATHAN. - A.P., ELEVEN REPORT, THEY SPENT - MONTHS WORKING ON THIS, THEY

- TALKED TO 300 SOME-ODD ELECTION - OFFICIALS, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A - CHANCE THAT THERE WOULD HAVE - BEEN A CHANGE IN THE ELECTION - RESULT? - >> RIGHT, AND I LOVE HOW SHE - EMPHASIZED 475 POTENTIAL CASES - OF VOTER FRAUD, OUT OF MILLIONS - OF VOTES CAST, AND WHAT THAT - SAYS IS THAT THIS IS MORE - EVIDENCE THAT THE BIG LIE IS - INDEED THE BIG LIE. - THERE WAS NO MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD - IN THE 2020 ELECTION, EVEN THE - PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF - ELECTION SECURITY IN THE TRUMP - ADMINISTRATION SAID THAT THE - 2020 ELECTION WAS THE SAFEST IN - AMERICAN HISTORY. - AND, SO, WHETHER THIS MAKES A - DIFFERENCE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, - IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT I DO KNOW - IN THE LONG TERM AND FOR - HISTORY'S SAKES IT IS GOOD TO - HAVE YET MORE EVIDENCE THAT - THERE WAS NO VOTER FRAUD. - >> Woodruff: AND, DAVID, AS - JONATHAN IS SAYING, THERE'S BEEN - ONE LOOK AFTER ANOTHER - INVESTIGATION. - THE EVIDENCE IS JUST NOT THERE.

- >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WILL - MAKE MUCH DIFFERENT. - ONE THING WE'VE LEARNED, IF YOU - FACT CHECK PEOPLE, THEY DIG IN - AND BELIEVE THEIR WRONG BELIEF - MORE STRONGLY. - THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM - HERE. - THERE'S A BROOKINGS INSTITUTE - JONATHAN WHO SAID THERE'S - CONSTITUTION OF KNOWLEDGE, WE - THINK OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION - THAT'S A SET OF LAWS. - BUT WE ARE IN THE MEDIA PART OF - IT, CHECKING IT OUT, EXPERTS, - ACADEMY,O BAY A CERTAIN SET OF - RULES THAT ANY HYPOTHESIS CAN E - TESTED AND WE'LL SLOWLY BUILD - KNOWLEDGE AND THAT REPORTING IS - PART OF THAT CONSTITUTION. - LOTS OF AMERICANS, MILLIONS AND - MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE - SIMPLY OPTED OUT OF IT. - THEY DON'T TRUST THE - CONSTITUTION OF KNOWLEDGE AND - ARE NOT PART OF BUILDING UP THE - DEMOCRATIC REGIME. - IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT - THE A.P. REPORTERS DID TO KEEP - THE CONSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE - GOING AND KEEP SOME INTELLECTUAL - OR EMOTIONAL SHIFT TO SAY, YES,

- THOSE PEOPLE ARE RELIABLE. - >> Woodruff: AND FOR - HISTORICAL PURPOSES. - AS YOU WERE SAYING, IN - CONNECTION WITH THIS, TO A - DEGREE, THE HOUSE SELECT - COMMITTEE LOOKING INTO THE - JANUARY 6th ATTACK ON THE - CAPITOL WHICH WAS ALL ABOUT NOT - BELIEVING THE ELECTION RESULTS, - JONATHAN, THIS WEEK WE HAD AN - INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT, MARK - MEADOWS, WHO WAS GOING TO - COOPERATE, THEN SAID I'M NOT - GOING TO COOPERATE. - HOUSE THEN VOTED TO SAY TO FIND - HIM IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. - IN THE PROCESS, HE DID TURN OVER - DOCUMENTS. - WE LEARNED TEXT MESSAGES SHOWING - MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, FOX NEWS - ANCHORS WERE URGING - PRESIDENT TRUMP TO DO SOMETHING - TO STOP THE MOB. - >> IT SEEMS AS THOUGH MARK - MEADOWS WAS TRYING TO HAVE IT - BOTH WAYS, TRYING TO COOPERATE - BUT THEN, ONCE HIS BOOK EARNED - THE IRE OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT, - TRIED TO BACKTRACK. - BY THE TIME HE BACKTRACKED HE - HAD HANDED OVER THOUSANDS OF - DOCUMENTS AND THAT'S HOW WE KNOW - ABOUT THESE TEXT MESSAGES, - THAT'S HOW WE KNOW ABOUT THE - URGENT PLEAS FOR HELP FROM

- MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, FROM FOX - NEWS PERSONALITIES AND SO ON. - THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAD - BEEN REPORTED AT THE TIME. - WE KNEW -- IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE - LEARNING ANYTHING NEW, BUT WHAT - I CAUTION PEOPLE AGAINST IS - THINKING, BECAUSE, OH, WE KNEW - THIS ALREADY OR THIS ISN'T - ANYTHING NEW, TO REMEMBER THAT - TO ACTUALLY HAVE A TEXT MESSAGE - WITH A TIME STAMP AND A NAME - ATTACHED TO IT, IN A LEGAL - PROCEEDING, IS VITAL, IT IS - PARAMOUNT, AND IT GOES FROM - BEING A STORY THAT HAS, YOU - KNOW, AN UNNAMED SOURCE TO, NO, - THIS WAS A TEXT MESSAGE TO MARK - MEADOWS FROM FILL IN THE BLANK - MEMBER OF CONGRESS, WE NEED - HELP, AND IT WAS SENT AT THIS - TIME. - I THINK THAT THIS THOUSAND-PIECE - JIGSAW PUZZLE OF THE OCEAN THAT - THE JANUARY 6th SELECT - COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON - AFTER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, TO ME,

- IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE AT 980 OF - THOSE PIECES PUT IN PLACE. - THEY KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN - WE KNOW, BUT WHAT WE FOUND OUT - LAST WEEK, THIS PARTICULAR -- - THIS WEEK IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN - STUNNING AND FASCINATING. - >> Woodruff: WE DO KNOW SOME - MORE. - WE DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY, - DAVID. - HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS THIS - GOING TO MAKE, YOU THINK? - >> WE DO KNOW SOME MORE. - MEARKDZ WAS CITED FOR CON -- - MARK MEADOWS WAS CITED FOR - CONTEMPT. - HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE FOR - EIGHT YEARS, THEY ALL KNOW HIM, - BUT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT HAPPENS - BUT IT SHOWS HOW SERIOUSLY - THEY'RE TAKING THIS. - WE LEARNED THE WHITE HOUSE KNEW - WHAT WAS GOING ON EVERY SECOND - ON JANUARY 6th AND WE KNOW - MEADOWS WAS AT THE NEXUS OF IT - ALL, ALL THE MESSAGES. - AND HE'S PLAYING AN INTERESTING - ROLE HERE AS A CHARACTER - ANALYSIS. - EVERYONE AT THE WAS CALLED UPON - TO EITHER STAND UP FOR DEMOCRACY - OR NOT AND MIKE PENCE, TO HIS - GREAT CREDIT, STOOD UP FOR - DEMOCRACY. - EARLIER, BILL BARR, STOOD UP.

- MARK MEADOWS WA HALFWAY. - HE SAID, YEAH, I SUPPORT THE - PEOPLE WHO WERE OUTSIDE, BUT - SEEMS IN THE ROOMS WITH TRUMP HE - WAS MORE OR LESS DOING WHAT THE - PRESIDENT TOLD HIM TO DO. - SO HE IS SORT OF NOT LEADING PUT - NOT STOPPING THE INSURRECTION, - AND HISTORY IS FULL OF PEOPLE - WHO TOOK THAT ROOT. - >> Woodruff: WE'LL SEE WHERE - HE GOES FROM HERE WHETHER THE - JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PROCEEDS TO - TRY TO CHARGE HIM. - SO, NOW, I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT - WHERE CONGRESS IS, AS WE GET - READY FOR THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY, - JONATHAN, AND LISA DESJARDINS - REPORTING ON IT EARLIER. - DEMOCRATS ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO - NEXT WEEK WITH NO BUILD BACK - BETTER. - BIG DISAPPOINT FOR THEM. - SHOULD THEY HAVE NOT PROMISED IT - WAS GOING TO GET DONE IN 2021? - >> SHORT ANSWER, YES, THEY - SHOULDN'T HAVE PROMISED. - BUT, AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, - AROUND THIS TABLE, FOR MONTHS, - THE REASON WHY DEMOCRATS HAVE - BEEN PUSHING LIKE CRAZY TO GET - BUILD BACK -- FIRST BIPARTISAN - INFRTRUCTURE THEN BUILD BACK

- BETTER DONE BY END OF CALENDAR - YEAR 2021 IS BECAUSE EVERYONE - ASSUMES BY 2022 NOTHING WILL GET - DONE BECAUSE OF THE MIDTERM - ELECTIONS. - CONGRESS IS ALWAYS MAKING THESE - DEADLINES FOR ITSELF, ARTIFICIAL - DEADLINES, AND THEN WHEN THEY - BLOW PAST THEM, EVERYONE IS - DISAPPOINTED OR PEOPLE SAY THAT - IT'S A FAILURE. - I THINK, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS, AS - LONG AS THE RECONCILIATION - AUTHORIZATION IS STILL THERE - AND, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT - HANGS IN THERE THROUGH THE - FISCAL NEAR -- - >> Woodruff: THE LEGISLATIVE - FRAMEWORK. - >> THE LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK, - THAT IF THIS BLEEDS OVER INTO - JANUARY, FEBRUARY, NOT IDEAL, - BUT IF THEY ACTUALLY GET IT - DONE, THEN THAT WILL BE A - VICTORY. - >> Woodruff: CAN THEY DO IT? - SURE, I STILL SORT OF BET ON - THEM, BUT I'M BEGINNING TO HAVE - SOME DOUBTS. - WE'RE GOING TO GET NEW INFLATION - NUMBERS IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY - OR SO THAT IF IT GETS HIGHER - THAN NOW THAT WILL MAKE IT - HARDER BECAUSE JOE MANCHIN IS - CONCERNED ABOUT INFLATION AND - FEDERAL SPENDING BOOSTING. - IN RIN RETROSPECT, I THINK THERE

- A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE COUNTRY - AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THEM. - JOE MANCHIN HAS BEEN CONSISTENT - AND SAID WHAT HE MEANT. - IF PEOPLE WOULD TAKE HIM - SERIOUSLY, THEY WOULD SAY, THESE - ARE OUR CONSTRAINTS. - WE'RE NOT GETTING THE NEW DEAL, - HOW DO WE DEAL WITH PLAN B. - THEY DECIDED TO KEEP EVERY LAST - ASPECT OF THE BILL BUT SHRINK IT - DOWN AND KEEP IT TEMPORARY. - THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SMART - TO SAY WE'LL HAVE A FEW THINGS, - CHILDHOOD EDUCATION COMMUNITY - COLLEGE, THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTRY - NEEDS NOW. - I THINK MANCHIN WOULD HAVE HAD A - MUCH EASIER TIME AND THE PULPIT - WOULD HAVE HAD AN EASIER TIME - SAYING THIS IS WHAT THAT'S - ABOUT, BUT DECIDED WE WANT TO - KEEP ALL OR CONSTITUENCIES HAPPY - A LITTLE AND MADE IT HARDER TO - PASS. - >> Woodruff: DO YOU THINK - THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, DO - YOU THINK? - >> YES, I'M HARD PRESSED TO - DISAGREE WITH DAVID. - BENING, WHO IS ONE OF THE

- MODERATES, THAT HAD BEEN HER - ARGUMENT FROM THE BEGINNING, DO - A FEW THINGS WELL, AND THERE ARE - ANY NUMBER OF THINGS TO CHOOSE - FROM. - IF IT BLEEDS OVER INTO 2022, MAY - BE THAT'S THE ROUTE THEY GO IN, - BUT THEY HAVE TO GET SOMETHING - DONE. - >> Woodruff: DAVID RAISED - CHILD TAX CREDITS. - THE CURRENT TAX CREDITS EXPIRE - AT THE END OF DECEMBER. - A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT - WITHOUT ASSISTANCE THAT THEY - DESPERATELY NEED. - >> GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP - BECAUSE, SORRY, I FORGET ABOUT - THAT. - IF THERE IS A FORCING MECHANISM - TO GET SOMETHING DONE BEFORE THE - END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, THAT - COULD BE IT. - BUT THAT MEANS YOU'RE PUTTING -- - YOU'RE DEPENDING ON THE SENATE - TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, AND, - AS WE HAVE SEEN, THEY DON'T DO - STUFF WHEN YOU WANT THEM TO. - >> Woodruff: EVEN IF IT - PASSES, IT STILL ONLY GETS - EXTENDED ANOTHER YEAR, SO THEY - SET TO EXPIRE AND THEY DO THAT

- TO KEEP THE BUDGET SEEM - REASONABLE. - THEIR ASSUMPTION IS ONCE IT'S IN - THERE THE VOTERS WILL DEMAND YOU - KEEP IT FOREVER. - I LOVE THE CHILD TAX CREDIT. - IT'S NOT AS POPULAR AS I THINK - IT SHOULD BE. - VOTERS MAY DECIDE THEY DON'T - WANT THAT MUCH SPENDING. - THIS DECEMBER, NEXT DECEMBER, IT - MAY GO AWAY AND BE A TRAGEDY - BECAUSE IT IS A VERY EFFECTIVE - PROGRAM. - >> Woodruff: WHAT ABOUT - DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID VOTING - RIGHTS IS A PRIORITY BUT HE'S - SAYING NO, KYRSTEN SINEMA, TOO. - WHAT ABOUT THE ROLE THAT HE - PLAYS? - >> WELL, OKAY, SENATOR MANCHIN - IS UNBELIEVABLY FRUSTRATING WHEN - IT COMES TO BUILD BACK BETTER. - YES, HE HAS BEEN CONSISTENT BUT - UNBELIEVABLY FRUSTRATING. - WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING RIGHT HE - HAS BEEN A LITTLE LESS - FRUSTRATING BECAUSE AT LEAST HE - HAS BEEN TRYING TO SHEPHERD THE - BILL THROUGH.

- THREE TIMES THEY HAVE HAD A BITE - AT THE APPLE TO TRY TO GET A - VOTE TO BRING THE BILL TO THE - FLOOR FOR A DEBATE AND IT'S GONE - DOWN, BUT THAT THE BECAUSE JOE - MANCHIN HAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, - HERE'S THE BILL, HERE'S THE - PROPOSAL. - THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, IS THE - FILIBUSTER, AND CORRECT ME IF - I'M WRONG, DAVID, I THOUGHT - THERE WERE SIGNALS THIS WEEK - FROM MANCHIN THAT HE MIGHT BE - AMENABLE TO SOME RULE CHANGES. - THE PROBLEM IS NOT BEING JOE - MANCHIN WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING - RIGHTS, VEERNTS VEERNTS, SENATOR - FROM ARIZONA WHO CAME OUT - EARLIER THIS WEEK AND JUST SAID - ONCE AGAIN, NO, I'M NOT - INTERESTED IN CHANGING THE - FILIBUSTER, AND IF YOU DON'T DO - THAT IN ANY FORM, VOTING RIGHTS - ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE WHERE. - >> Woodruff: AND WHAT'S AT - STAKE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, - DAVID, IN A MINUTE? - >> WELL, I MEAN, THE WORST - SCENARIO IS STATE LEGISLATORS - AROUND THE COUNTRY, REPUBLICAN - ONES, TAKE OVER ELECTIONS AWAY - FROM PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND THEN, - AS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST - WEEK, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS IN - 2024 IF THAT PROCESS GETS CYBER

- POLITICIZED. - SO THAT'S THE NIGHTMARE - SCENARIO. - WILL MANCHIN BUDGE? - I SORT OF THINK NOT. - THERE ARE A LOT OF SIGNALS AND - COUNTERSIGNALS THAT NEVER COME - OUT OF HIS MOUTH. - ONE THING HE AGREES TO IS IF - YOU'RE GOING TO AGREE ON - OFFICIALS YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE - FLOOR TAKING AND THAT WOULD - ACTUALLY MAKE IT REALLY A - FILIBUSTER. - SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM AND - SINEMA ENDORSE THAT ONE. - >> Woodruff: WE NEVER HAVE A - FILIBUSTER HERE, THAT'S FOR - SURE. - DAVID BROOKS, JONATHAN CAPEHART, - THANK YOU BOTH. - >> THANKS, JUDY. - >> Woodruff: WHEN THE - GRAMMY NOMINEES WERE ANNOUNCED - RECENTLY, THERE WAS BRDI - CARLILE WITH FIVE NOMINATIONS, - INCLUDING RECORD AND SONG OF - THE YEAR. - HEADY STUFF-- AND NOW - ALMOST EXPECTED FOR THIS - STAR OF AMERICAN ROOTS AND - COUNTRY MUSIC. - BUT NOT SO LONG AGO, THINGS WERE - QUITE DIFFERENT. - JEFFREY BROWN MET CARLILE IN

- SEATTLE, FOR OUR ARTS AND - CULTURE SERIES, "CANVAS." - (♪ “RIGHT ON TIME” ♪) - >> Brown: BRANDI CARLILE CALLS - HER NEW RECORD, “IN THESE SILENT - DAYS,” A "PANDEMIC ALBUM"-- - BORN FROM A TIME OF ISOLATION - WITH FAMILY AT HER RURAL HOME AN - HOUR OUTSIDE SEATTLE. - A TIME TO STOP AND REFLECT ON - HER CLIMB TO STARDOM AND WHERE - IT BEGAN, IN PLACES LIKE - SEATTLE'S PARAGON RESTAURANT AND - BAR. - >> I REMEMBER COMING IN HERE, - RIGHT AROUND THIS TIME OF DAY, - WHEN I KNEW I COULD TALK TO THE - MANAGER, AND IT WOULDN'T BE TOO - BUSY. - AND I SAID, "HEY, I'VE GOT A - P.A. SYSTEM AND A GUITAR PLAYER. - AND IF YOU GIVE ME, LIKE, MAYBE - WE'LL START AT 6:00 P.M. ON - SUNDAY NIGHTS, WE'LL DO IT FOR - FREE FOR A MONTH. - AND IF, A MONTH LATER, YOU'VE - SEEN THAT YOU HAVE AN UPTICK ON - SUNDAY NIGHTS, THEN YOU CAN - START PAYING ME, OR FEEDING US, - OR..." - >> Brown: YOU MIGHT CONSIDER - PAYING ME! - >> YEAH, YEAH. - >> Brown: GIGS AT LOCAL SEATTLE - SPOTS WERE THE NORM FOR YEARS,

- ALONG WITH BUSKING FOR TIPS AT - THE FAMED PIKE PLACE MARKET. - THE HARD-WORKING LIFE OF A - VERY HARD-WORKING MUSICIAN - TRYING TO MAKE IT. - >> I WAS REALLY INTERESTED - IN THINGS LIKE PRINTING AND - HANGING POSTERS, AND BUSKING AND - STOPPING PEOPLE ON THE STREET - AND HANDING THEM A PAMPHLET AND - TELLING THEM ABOUT THE SHOW. - IT'S A CITY THAT SORT OF REWARDS - THAT, AND VALUES THAT. - >> Brown: I GOT IN LAST NIGHT - AND I WAS TAKING A WALK AND I - SAW SOMEBODY HAMMERING THEIR - POSTER INTO A-- - >> YOU DID? - >> Brown: YEAH, I DID. - >> YEAH! - STILL GOT IT! - SEATTLE'S STILL GOT IT! - >> Brown: AND THAT WAS YOU, HUH? - >> THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY ME. - (♪ “THE JOKE” ♪) - >> Brown: HER STUNNING - 9 GRAMMY'S - “THE JOKE,” A BALLAD TO THOSE - WHO FEEL MARGINALIZED, BROUGHT - HER NATIONAL ATTENTION. - NOW 40, CARLILE TOLD HER OWN - COMING-OF-AGE STORY IN A RECENT - MEMOIR, TITLED “BROKEN HORSES,” - ABOUT GROWING UP POOR IN RURAL - WASHINGTON STATE, MOVING FROM - PLACE TO PLACE, HER FATHER'S - BATTLES WITH ALCOHOLISM, HER

- MOTHER'S ASPIRATIONS TO BE A - COUNTRY SINGER. - A SELF-DESCRIBED "MISFIT," - CARLILE WRITES OF BEING GAY - IN A COMMUNITY WITH FEW - ROLE MODELS AND A CHURCH THAT - DIDN'T ACCEPT HER. - FROM THE BEGINNING, THOUGH, SHE - WAS “ADDICTED TO PERFORMING.” - >> IT'S EASY TO GET ADDICTED TO - PERFORMING, BECAUSE IT'S QUITE - AN ADRENALINE RUSH, YOU KNOW. - I WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS - SOMETHING THAT I EXPERIENCED SO - YOUNG THAT I JUST ALWAYS WANTED - TO DO IT. - I WANTED TO DO IT! - I WANTED TO FEEL UNDERSTOOD AND - SEEN. - >> Brown: DID YOU FEEL - MISUNDERSTOOD AND UNSEEN? - >> NOT FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I - FELT LIKE I CHOSE THOSE MOMENTS - TO REVEAL MYSELF. - >> Brown: HER MUSICAL - COLLABORATORS AND SOULMATES: - IDENTICAL TWINS PHIL AND TIM - HANSEROTH. - PHIL ON BASS, AND TIM ON GUITAR. - THEY TRAVELED FOR YEARS IN AN - OLD VAN, NOW PERMANENTLY PARKED - OUTSIDE EASY STREET RECORDS, - ANOTHER SEATTLE MUSIC LANDMARK,

- WHERE CARLILE TOOK US TO BROWSE - THE BINS OF HER HEROES-- SOME OF - WHOM HAVE BECOME CLOSE FRIENDS, - LIKE ELTON JOHN. - YOU WROTE IN YOUR BOOK ABOUT HOW - YOU WANTED NOTHING MORE IN LIFE - THAN TO BE ELTON JOHN, IT SOUNDS - LIKE, AS A LITTLE GIRL. - >> I FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM WHEN - I WAS, LIKE, 11 YEARS OLD. - AND HE WAS JUST SUCH A MAGICAL - BEAST TO ME. - THAT I FELT A KINSHIP TO HIM. - >> Brown: WHAT'S KIND OF COOL, - I IMAGINE, IS NOW YOU'RE RIGHT - ACOSS FROM HIM. - >> I KNOW. - ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU PUT IT THAT - WAY, IT'S UTTERLY SURREAL. - ( LAUGHS ) - I MEAN, THESE BINS, THESE RECORD - STORE BINS, THAT YOU COME TO AS - A YOUNG MUSIC FAN, AND YOU FLIP - THROUGH, YOU DREAM ABOUT SEEING - YOURSELF THERE. - I THOUGHT IT'D BE CDs! - ( LAUGHS ) - BUT WHAT DID I KNOW? - ♪ ♪ ♪ - >> Brown: WHAT SHE DID SOMEHOW - KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS THAT SHE

- WOULD MAKE IT, EVEN IF THAT TOOK - LONGER THAN SHE'D HOPED. - SHE WRITES OF BEING 15 YEARS - INTO HER CAREER BEFORE RECEIVING - A FIRST GRAMMY NOMINATION. - AND ONLY LATER DID SHE COME TO - SEE HOW GENDER AND SEXUAL - ORIENTATION COULD BE BARRIERS TO - SUCCESS. - >> I DEFINITELY AM STILL HAVING - TO OVERCOME IT, AND I DEFINITELY - HAD TO OVERCOME IT. - I WASN'T PAYING MUCH ATTENTION - BECAUSE I WAS IN A STATE FOR A - LONG TIME OF JUST EUPHORIA, THAT - THESE DREAMS WOULD COME TRUE, - AND THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING - IN MY LIFE; NOT KNOWING THAT IT - COULD STILL HAVE BEEN BIGGER AND - BETTER, AND THAT IT INDEED - WAS BIGGER AND BETTER FOR MY - MALE COUNTERPARTS. - >> Brown: IT'S BEEN PARTICULARLY - TRUE, SHE SAYS, IN HER WORLD OF - COUNTRY AND AMERICAN ROOTS - MUSIC. - SHE POINTS TO ANOTHER MUSICI - WHO WOULD BECOME A FRIEND: - TANYA TUCKER. - IN 2019, CARLILE CO-PRODUCED A - CRITICALLY-ACCLAIMED COMEBACK - ALBUM WITH TUCKER-- DECADES - AFTER TUCKER HAD FALLEN FROM - FAVOR FOR AN "OUTLAW" IMAGE FOR - WHICH HER MALE COUNTERPARTS IN - THE 1970s WERE CELEBRATED. - >> IT MADE ME REALIZE THAT THERE

- ARE JUST TWO VERY DIFFERENT - LANES FOR WOMEN AND MEN, - PARTICULARLY IN ROOTS MUSIC. - NOW, FORGET BIPOC OR L.G.B.T.Q.+ - PEOPLE-- THERE'S NOT EVEN A - LANE. - AND I KNEW I WANTED TO GET - INVOLVED IN THAT, BECAUSE IT'S - REALLY CHALLENGING, AND IT MADE - ME FEEL LIKE I FELT AS A KID IN - CHURCH. - LIKE, I DON'T BELONG HERE, AND - THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO STAY, - YOU KNOW? - IT'S AN ACT OF DEFIANCE. - >> Brown: SEEMS TO BE CHANGING A - LITTLE, PERHAPS? - WHAT'S YOUR IMPRESSION? - >> YEAH, IT'S CHANGING IN THE - TRIBUTARIES. - IT'S CHANGING ON THE EDGES, IN - AMERICANA, FOLK, ROOTS, - BLUEGRASS. - THERE'S STILL A GIANT METALLIC- - STEEL DOOR SHUT TO COUNTRY. - BUT, WE'LL SEE. - SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET THAT - THING OPENED, AND WHEN THEY DO, - WE'RE ALL GOING TO COME RUNNING - IN. - (♪ "THE MOTHER" ♪) - >> Brown: TODAY, CARLILE AND HER - WIFE CATHERINE ARE PARENTS TO - TWO DAUGHTERS. - ♪ I AM THE MOTHER OF EVANGELINE - ♪ ♪ ♪ - >> Brown: SHE'S PART OF A

- COUNTRY SUPERGROUP CALLED THE - HIGHWOMEN, FORMED IN 2019. - AND, SHE SPEAKS UP AS SHE SEES - NECESSARY, INCLUDING WITH THE - RECENT GRAMMY NOMINATIONS: - SHE EXPRESSED GRATITUDE, BUT - ALSO WONDERED ALOUD WHY HER SO“" - RIGHT ON TIME” WAS SHIFTED TO A - "POP PERFORMANCE" CATEGORY, - RATHER THAN "COUNTRY" OR - "AMERICANA," WHERE SHE SEES - HERSELF. - >> I THINK A LOT OF QUEER PEOPLE - ARE COGNIZANT OF, IF NOT - SENSITIVE TO BEING - DISENFRANCHISED. - AND THE THING THAT MAKES THAT - POIGNANT IS THAT THERE'S SO MANY - AMERICAN ROOTS PEOPLE, THERE'S - SO MANY RURAL PEOPLE IN THIS - COUNTRY. - PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN, NOT - DOWNTOWN SEATTLE, THAT ARE SO - SYSTEMICALLY REJECTED BY THE - CORRELATING CULTURE. - COUNTRY MUSIC, ROOTS MUSIC HAS A - VORTEX, IT HAS A CULTURE. - AND THERE ARE COUNTRY QUEERS, - AND THEY NEED TO SEE ACCEPTANCE - AND AN AFFIRMATION IN THOSE - PLACES, YOU KNOW?

- ♪ ♪ ♪ - >> Brown: FOR NOW, BRANDI - CARLILE AWAITS THE GRAMMY AWARDS - CEREMONY, AND PLANS TO TAKE - HER PANDEMIC-ERA ALBUM, “IN - THESE SILENT DAYS,” ON TOUR-- - PANDEMIC ALLOWING-- IN THE - SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - JEFFREY BROWN IN SEATTLE. - >> Woodruff: SUCH TERRIFIC - MUSIC. - AND THAT IS THE NEWSHOUR FOR - TONIGHT. - I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. - JOIN US ONLINE, AND AGAIN HERE - ON MONDAY EVENING. - FOR ALL OF US AT THE PBS - NEWSHOUR, THANK YOU, PLEASE STAY - SAFE, AND HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND. - >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE PBS - NEWSHOUR HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY: - >> FIDELITY WEALTH MANAGEMENT. - >> CONSUMER CELLULAR. - >> JOHNSON & JOHNSON. - >> BNSF RAILWAY. - >> FINANCIAL SERVICES FIRM

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