PBS NewsHour; June 2, 2020, 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT

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- >> THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE - POSSIBLE BY THE CORPORATION FOR - PUBLIC BROADCASTING. - AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS - STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. - THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: THE UNITED STATES - HAS NOW BEEN BUFFETED BY A FULL - WEEK OF PROTESTS OVER POLICE - KILLINGS OF BLACK AMERICANS. - IT BEGAN WITH THE DEATH OF - GEORGE FLOYD IN MINNEAPOLIS. - AMID ALL THIS, A NEW STORM - SWIRLS AROUND PRESIDENT TRUMP. - AMNA NAWAZ BEGINS OUR COVERAGE. - >> Nawaz: IN WASHINGTON, D.C. - TODAY, DEMONSTRATIONS IN THE - SHADOW OF A SHRINE. - >> I'M HERE TO LEND MY VOICE TO - THIS MOMENT, TO AFFIRM THAT - BLACK LIVES MATTER, THAT GEORGE - FLOYD'S LIFE MATTERED, AND - THAT COUNTLESS BLACK MEN AND - WOMEN WHO LOST THEIR LIFE TO - POLICE BRUTALITY, RACISM,

- VIOLENCE, LIVES' MATTERED. - >> Nawaz: FOLLOWING A BRIEF - VISIT THIS MORNING FROM - PRESIDENT TRUMP, OUTSIDE THE - NATIONAL BASILICA, POLICE ON ONE - SIDE OF THE LINE, PROTESTERS ON - THE OTHER. - >> TODAY, I'M OUT HERE WITH SOME - FRIENDS WHO DON'T NECESSARILY - LOOK LIKE ME, BUT WE ATTEND THE - SAME CHURCH. - AND LARGELY, I FEEL THAT THEY'VE - BEEN SILENT. - AND I WANT TO STAND WITH THEM - AND HELP THEM TO USE THEIR VOICE - AT THIS TIME, TO SHOW OUR - COMMUNITY THAT THEY REALLY CARE. - >> Nawaz: THE RELATIVE CALM. - IN STARK CONTRAST TO JUST 24 - HOURS AGO... - AND AN EXTRAORDINARY SCENE IN - THE NATION'S CAPITOL... - ( CHANTING "I CAN'T BREATHE" ) - ...WHEN POLICE OFFICERS AND - NATIONAL GUARD UNITS MARCHED - TOWARDS PEACEFUL PROTESTORS, - DEPLOYING GAS AND PHYSICAL FORCE - TO CLEAR A PATH FOR PRESIDENT - TRUMP TO MAKE THIS WALK, FROM - THE WHITE HOUSE TO ST. JOHN'S - EPISCOPAL CHURCH, FOR THIS PHOTO - OPPORTUNITY. - ALL THIS UNFOLDED AS PROTESTS IN - WASHINGTON, D.C. CONTINUED INTO - THE NIGHT, CALLING FOR AN END TO - POLICE VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACK - AMERICANS. - GROUPS OUT PAST THE CITYWIDE

- 7:00 P.M. CURFEW WERE MET WITH A - HEAVY POLICE PRESENCE, INCLUDING - SMOKE CANISTERS, RUBBER BULLETS, - AND MILITARY HELICOPTERS - HOVERING LOW-- A SHOW OF FORCE, - TO DISPERSE THE CROWD. - ON ONE D.C. BLOCK, POLICE - OFFICERS BOXED IN A GROUP OF - PROTESTERS. - HOMEOWNER RAHUL DUBEY, WHO - DESCRIBED HEARING BANGS AND HIS - EYES BURNING FROM THE SMOKE ON - HIS BLOCK, OPENED HIS DOORS TO - THOSE DEMONSTRATORS. - >> YOU'RE THE ONES KEEPING US IN - THIS HOUSE. - ARE YOU LEANING UP ON MY-- WHY - ARE YOU TOUCHING MY DOOR? - I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE THIS - WAY. - NO, I CAN, I CAN. - >> Nawaz: ON CNN THIS MORNING, - WASHINGTON, D.C. MAYOR MURIEL - BOWSER RESPONDED TO THE USE OF - FORCE IN HER CITY. - >> WE DON'T THINK THAT THE - ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY SHOULD BE - USED ON AMERICAN STREETS AGAINST - AMERICANS. - >> Nawaz: ACROSS THE COUNTRY - OVERNIGHT, THE MOSTLY-PEACEFUL - DEMONSTRATIONS WERE MARRED BY - POCKETS OF LOOTING AND VIOLENCE. - IN LAS VEGAS, A POLICE OFFICER - IS ON LIFE SUPPORT AFTER WHAT - THE SHERIFF DESCRIBED AS TWO - PROTEST-RELATED SHOOTINGS.

- FOUR OTHER OFFICERS WERE SHOT IN - ST. LOUIS, BUT ARE EXPECTED TO - RECOVER. - IN NEW YORK CITY, AFTER A - MASSIVE PEACEFUL MARCH IN THE - AFTERNOON, HUNDREDS WERE - ARRESTED AFTER BUSINESSES WERE - LOOTED LAST NIGHT, AND THREE - OFFICERS INJURED AFTER BEING HIT - BY A CAR. - AND IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA LAST - NIGHT, OFFICERS TEAR GASSED - DEMONSTRATORS BEFORE THE CITY'S - CURFEW HAD GONE INTO EFFECT. - >> I'M DONE BEING SILENT! - >> Nawaz: MAYOR LEVAR STONEY - TODAY FACED A WAVE OF - FRUSTRATION D FEAR, LIKE FROM - THIS LITTLE GIRL, WHO SAID SHE - WAS AFRAID BEING TEAR-GASSED. - >> THE SYSTEM HASN'T WORKED FOR - US-- HASN'T WORKED FOR ANYONE - WHO LOOKS BLACK OR BROWN. - AND WE ASKED YOU TO GO INTO OUR - STREETS AND DO THAT YESTERDAY. - AND PEOPLE WERE TEAR-GASSED. - THAT WAS WRONG. - AND I-- I WILL MARCH WITH YOU, I - WILL STAND WITH YOU, I WILL BE - WITH YOU.

- >> Nawaz: ONE WEEK AFTER THE - DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD IN - MINNEAPOLIS POLICEUSTODY, - LOCAL LEADERS ACROSS THE NATION - ARE GRAPPLING WITH HOW TO MEET - THEIR COMMUNITIES' CONCERNS AND - CALLS FOR REFORMAND HOW TO - MANAGE THEIR RESPONSE SO - DEMONSTRATIONS REMAIN PEACEFUL. - TODAY, EVEN FEDERAL OFFICIALS - ARE DIVIDED. - REPUBLICAN SENATOR TOM COTTON OF - ARKANSAS TODAY ECHOED PRESIDENT - TRUMP'S CALLS FOR GREATER USE OF - FORCE, AND HIS THREAT TO SEND IN - THE ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY, SAYING - IN A STATEMENT THAT "VIOLENT - ANARCHISTS AND INSURRECTIONISTS - WERE ONCE AGAIN ALLOWED TO RULE - THE STREETS LAST NIGHT IN TOO - MANY CITIES. - THE ONLY WAY TO END THIS - INSURRECTION IS THE OVERWHELMING - DISPLAY OF FORCE." - REPUBLICAN SENATOR LINDSEY - GRAHAM, OF SOUTH CAROLINA, - HOWEVER, CALLED THIS MOMENT A - "WAKE-UP CALL" TO THE FACT THAT - BLACK MEN ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY - KILLED BY POLICE IN THE U.S. - >> WE NEED TO GET A GRIP ON IT, - IN TERMS OF ORDER IN THE - STREETS. - BUT THE OVERWHELMING ISSUE FOR - US IS, AFTER YOU STOP THE - RIOTING, WHICH WE WILL, WHAT ARE

- YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE - PROBLEM THAT LED TO THE PROTEST? - >> Nawaz: AND DEMOCRATIC SENATOR - CORY BOOKER, OF NEW JERSEY, - CONDEMNED THE PRESIDENT'S - ACTIONS IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. - >> WHAT THIS PRESIDENT DID WAS - TO MAKE A MOCKERY OF OUR CIVIL - RIGHTS. - I SAY OURS. - I WAS NOT THERE IN THAT PARK, - BUT EVERY ONE OF US SHOULD WISH - WE WERE THERE. - AND I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, - IF DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO GAS - SOMEONE NEXT TIME, START RIGHT - HERE. - >> WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY - PRESIDENT TO QUIET OUR VOICE. - >> Nawaz: IN AN ADDRESS FROM - PHILADELPHIA, THE PRESUMPTIVE - DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, - FORMER VICE PRESIDT JOE BIDEN, - DECRIED PRESIDENT TRUMP'S - RHETORIC FOR RAMPED-UP FORCE. - >> THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE - PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE AND TO - POSITION THEIR GOVERNMENT FOR - REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES. - THAT'S KIND OF THE CENTRAL - NOTION OF THE BUILDING OF THIS - COUNTRY. - MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S AMERICA. - THAT'S AMERICA. - NOT HORSES RISING UP ON THEIR - HIND LEGS TO PUSH BACK PEACEFUL - PROTESTS.

- NOT USING THE AMERICAN MILITARY - TO MOVE AGAINST THE AMERICAN - PEOPLE. - >> Nawaz: AND THOSE PROTESTS - CONTINUED TODAY-- FROM BETHESDA, - MARYLAND, TO HOLLYWOOD, - CALIFORNIA. - AND BACK TO WHERE THEY BEGAN IN - MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA, WHERE - ONCE AGAIN, A COMMUNITY GATHERED - TO REMEMBER GEORGE FLOYD. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - AMNA NAWAZ. - >> Woodruff: THIS EVENING - FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH - ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING, "IT - IS TIME TO LISTEN TO ONE - ANOTHER," AND NOTING THAT RACISM - THAT CLAIMS THE LIVES IN - PARTICULAR OF YOUNG BLACK MEN - NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. - HE WRITES, "WE CAN ONLY SEE THE - REALITY OF AMERICA'S NEED BY - SEEING IT THROUGH THE EYES OF - THE THREATENED, OPPRESSED, AND - DISENFRANCHISED. - THAT IS EXACTLY WITH WE NOW - STAND. - MANY DOUBT THE JUSTICE OF OUR - COUNTRY AND WITH GOOD REASON." - FORMER PRESIDENT BUSH WENT ON TO - SAY, "ANY SOLUTION REQUIRES - CONSISTENT, COURAGEOUS, AND - CREATIVE EFFORTS."

- O=7éAMICHE ALCINDOR HAS BEEN - OUT REPORTING AROUND THE WHITE - HOUSE YESTERDAY AND TODAY, AND - SHE JOINS ME NOW. - HELLO, YAMICHE. - I KNOW YOU ARE JUST NOW A FEW - BLOCKS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. - TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU - WITNESSED YESTERDAY AND WHAT - YOU'RE LEARNING FROM YOUR - SOURCES ABOUT HOW PRESIDENT - TRUMP THINKS HE'S HANDLING ALL - OF THIS. - >> PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DETERMINED - TO SHOW DOMINANCE OVER THE - PROTESTS THAT ARE GRIPPING THIS - NATION, AND THE PRESIDENT - YESTERDAY ENACTED A SURREAL - SCENE OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. - I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESIDENT - DELIVER HIS ROSE GARDEN REMARKS - ON MY CELL PHONE. - I LOOKED UP AND THERE WERE - OFFICERS GOING TOWARD PEACEFUL - PROTESTORS. - THEY USED SOME SORT OF GAS, A - CHEMICAL COMPONENT, POSSIBLY - TEAR GAS, THAT STARTED MY EYES - TEARING UP, THAT STARTED ME - CHOKING. - WHAT I SAW WAS PROTESTERS - RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE, - TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM LAW

- ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS SHOWING AN - INCREDIBLE DEGREE OF AGGRESSION. - THE PRESIDENT SAYS THAT HE WANTS - PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY - CAN'T JUST BE EVERYWHERE THAT - THEY WANT TO BE AND THAT PEOPLE - SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS GOVERNMENT - IS GOING TO BE ONE OF LAW AND - ORDER, BUT PARK POLICE SAY - PROTESTERS WERE THROWING FROZEN - WATER BOTTLES AND OTHER OBJECTS - AT POLICE. - I DID NOT SEE THAT, JUDY. - WHAT I SAW WERE PEACEFUL - PROTESTORS GATHERING. - OF COURSE, I LEARNED LATER THAT - THE PRESIDENT DID THAT TO CLEAR - THE STREETS SO HE COULD TAKE A - WALK TO THE CHURCH. - THE CHURCH BISHOP WHO OVERSEES - THAT CHURCH SAYS HE WAS OUTRAGED - THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID THAT - AND HE KNEW IT WAS A PHOTO OP. - THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING IT'S - WRONG TO CALL IT A PHOTO OP, - BUT, OF COURSE, PRESIDENT TRUMP - DID WALK TO THAT CHURCH TO SHOW - A BIBLE AND TAKE PICTURES AND - WALK AWAY. - THE PRESIDENT IS WILLING TO MOVE - PHYSICALLY LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS - OUT OF THE WAY TO TAKE A WALK - AND SHOW THE OPTICS TO T - NATION THAT HE WANTS TO SHOW. - >> Woodruff: WE TALKED TO THE - BISHOP OF THE PISS TAL CHURCH A

- SHORT TIME AGO. - WE'LL HEAR THAT IN A LITTLE - WHITTON NEWS HOUR. - BUT YAMICHE, YOU'VE BEEN OUT - THERE COVERING THESE PROTESTS - FOR SEVERAL DAYS. - WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE - PROTESTERS THEMSELVES? - >> WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS - SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT - THESE PROTESTERS ARE LARGELY - DOMESTIC TERRORISTS WHO DON'T - WANT TO SEE DEMOCRACY IN - AMERICA, WHEN WHAT I'VE SEEN IS - AMERICANS WHO ARE DEMANDING - ANGE WHO ARE LARGELY - LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WHO SAY - THEY WANT THE PEACEFULLY PROTEST - AND THEY ALSO WANT A STANCE FROM - THEIR GOVERNMENT. - A MOTHER OF FOUR CAME OUT - YESTERDAY AND SAID SHE'S HERE - BECAUSE-OF-THE LIVES OF HER - CHILDREN. - SHE'S SCARED HER CHILDN MIGHT - BE BUSINESS KILLED BY THE POLICE - BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRICAN AMERICAN - OR A YOUNG MAN WHO BOUGHT HIS - SON OUT HERE. - HE SAID THE REASON I'M HERE IS - FOR THE FIRST 30 YEARS OF MY - LIFE AND NEXT 30 YEARS OF MY - SON'S LIFE.

- >> Woodruff: THE PRESIDENT - HIMSELF SAYS HE WANTS THE SEE - INJUSTICES CORRECTED. - WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT A - SPECIFIC PLAN THE WHITE HOUSE - HAS TO ADDRESS POLICING AND -- - POLICING AND SOME OF THESE OTHER - ISSUES? - >> RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS - NOT MADE CLEAR WHAT HIS PLANS - ARE TO DEAL WITH POLICING. - INSTEAD TODAY HE SIGNED AN - EXECUTIVE ORDER. - HE HAS NOT SO FAR SAID WHAT HE - FEELS. - YET HE DIDN'T UTTER THOSE WORDS. - I KNOW THE WHITE HOUSE MIGHT BE - HEADED UP BY SECRETARY BEN - CARSON. - THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD - COMPLICATE THE PRESIDENT'S - SOLUTION, IS THERE ARE A LOT OF - AFRICAN AMERICANS AND PROTESTERS - WHO SEE THE PRESIDENT AS RACIST - AND DON'T THINK HE HAS THE - CREDIBILITY TO START A - CONVERSATION OR TO ENACT ANY - SORT OF LEGISLATION THAT WOULD - HELP THE LIVES OF AMERICANS, - INCLUDING BLACK AMERICANS, - PEOPLE OF COLOR, AND ALL - AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY. - >> Woodruff: SOBERING. - YAMICHE ALCINDOR REPORTING FROM - JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM THE

- WHITE HOUSE TONIGHT. - THANKS, YAMICHE. - >> Woodruff: WITH PROTESTS - TAKING PLACES IN CITIES ACROSS - THE COUNTRY, WE TURN TO CAPITOL - HILL AND HOW THE FEDERAL - GOVERNMENT CAN RESPOND. - REPUBLICAN JOHN THUNE IS THE - SENATE MAJORITY WHIP. - IN HIS HOME STATE OF SOUTH - DAKOTA, THE NATIONAL GUARD HAS - BEEN CALLED TO HELP DISPERSE - PROTESTS IN RECENT DAYS. - SENATOR THUNE, THANK YOU SO MUCH - FOR JOINING US. - I WANT TO START WITH THE - PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS YESTERDAIN - HAVING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS - FORCEFULLY CLEARED OUT AROUND - THE WHITE HOUSE FROM THAT TIRE - AREA SO THAT HE COULD WALK OVER - TO ST. JOHN'S CHURCH FOR A - PHOTOGRAPH. - AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, SOME OF - YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES HAVE - BEEN CRITICAL, INCLUDING TIM - SCOTT, WHO SAIDçaHE SHOULD NOT - HAVE USED TEAR GAS FOR A PHOTO

- OP, AND SENATOR BEN SASSE, WHO - SAID HE WAS USING THE BIBLE AS A - POLITICAL PROP. - ARE THEY RIGHT? - >> WELL, I THINK THAT SITUATION, - JUDY, A LOT OF IT IS IN THE EYE - OF THE BEHOLDER. - TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE GOING TO - SAY THAT WAS A... HE WAS SHOWING - STRENGTH AND EVIDENCING HIS - COMMITMENT THE FAITH AND - PRINCIPLE AND OBVIOUSLY HIS - DETRACTORS WILL SAY IT'S A PHOTO - OP. - I THINK MY COLLEAGUES ARE COMING - DOWN TO DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS - ABOUT THAT. - I THINK THERE IS SOME DISPUTE - ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TEAR GAS - WAS BEING USED THERE, BUT - NEVERTHELESS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS - A DECISION MADE BY THE WHITE - HOUSE AND THEIR TEM TO DO AN - EVENT THERE. - AND AGAIN, EVERYBODY IS GOING - THE DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS - AS THEY USUALLY DO WITH THIS - PRESIDENT WHOSE TACTICS AND WAYS - OF COMMUNICATING ARE CERTAINLY - UNCONVENTIONAL IN AND IN MANY WS - UNORTHODOX. - >> Woodruff: ARE YOU

- COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF LAW - ENFORCEMENT USING FORCE AS WE - SAW ON VIDEO TO CLEAR OUT - PROTESTERS AND JOURNALISTS OUT - OF THE AREA SO THE PRESIDENT CAN - WALK A BOCK OVER TO THE CHURCH? - >> WELL, I WOULD PREFER THAT IF - PEOPLE WERE PROTESTING - PEACEFULLY THAT THEY BE ALLOWED - TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. - THAT'S WHAT WE WANTO - ENCOURAGE. - NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE - WAS A CURFEW BEING IMPOSED AT - 7:00 AND PEOPLE WERE STARTING TO - DISPERSE ANYWAY, BUT FOR SURE IF - PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW, - EXERCISING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT - RIGHTS TO ASSEMBLE AND TO MAKE - THEIR VOICES HEARD IN A PEACEL - WAY, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO - DO THAT. - SO THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE - CIRCUMSTANCES DOWN THERE LAST - NIGHT, BUT I THINK AS A GENERAL - RULE, YES, PEOPLE WHO ARE - PROTESTING PEACEFULLY OUGHT TO - BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. - THAT'S CERTAINLY THE KIND OF - THG WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE. - >> Woodruff: SHOULD PRESIDENT - TRUMP MAKE REMARKS TO THE - AMERICAN PEOPLE? - RIGHT NOW SENATOR, BEYOND WHAT - HE SAID ABOUT I'M THE LAW AND - ORDER PRESIDENT? - I'M ASKING BECAUSE THE - "WASHINGTON POST" IS REPORTING - THAT THIS IS... THEY'RE SAYING - THIS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND

- SOME OF HIS ADVISERS, AND I'M - QUOTING, THEY CALCULATED SHE - SHOULDN'T SPEAK BECAUSE "HE HAD - NOTHING TO SAY AND NO TANGIBLE - POLICY OR ACTIONS TO ANNOUNCE." - THIS IS WHAT THE REPORTER - LEARNED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. - SHOULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE - SOMETHING TO SAY, HAVE SOMETHING - TO ANNOUNCE RIGHT NOW? - >> I THINK THAT THE COUNTRY, - JUDY, IS LOOKING FOR HEALING. - THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A CALM - VOICE, A REASSURING VOICE, AND I - THINK THAT'S THE TONE RIGHT NOW - THAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO - PROJECTED. - AND SOMETIMES, TOO OFTEN, WHEN - HE RESORTS TO HIS TWITTER - ACCOUNT, HE DOESN'T ALWAYS - REFLECT THAT TONE. - BUT I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW THE - THING THAT WE OUGHT TO SEE, I - HOPE YOU CAN SEE MORE OF OUT OF - THE PRESIDENT IS AN APPRECIATION - FOR THE FRUSTRATION, THE ANGER, - THE ANXIETY THAT PEOPLE ARE - FEELING, SERVING THESE EVENTS - AROUND THE CUNTRY, AND JUST - BEING WILLING TO LISTEN. - I INK MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE - RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE - THEIR VOICES HEA, AND I THINK - THE PRESIDENT IN A COPASSIONATE - WAY, IN A WAY THAT REFLECTS

- HUMILITY AND RESPECTED, SHOULD - LISTEN TO PEOPLE AT A TIME LIKE - THIS. - SO I HOPE WE SEE MORE OF THAT - OUT OF HIM AND OUT OF HIS TEAM - IN THE DAYS AHEAD. - >> Woodruff: AND YOU DO - BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT IS CAPABLE - OF PROJECTING CALM AND UNIFYING - THE COUNTRY? - >> WELL, HE DOES AT TIMES. - LIKE I SAID, HE'S... THERE - CLEARLY ARE INSTANCES AND - EXAMPLES WHERE THE PRESIDENT - THROUGH THE WAY THAT H SAYS - THINGS PERHAPS DOESN'T REFLECT - OR SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE OR THE - RIGHT TONE, BUT I WOULD HOPE AT - LEAST AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND - CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH THE - AFTERMATH OF THESE RIOTS AND - THESE PROTESTS THAT IN ADDITION - TO SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED TO, - YOU KNOW, PROTECT LAWFUL - PROTESTS AND ENSURE THAT THERE - ISN'T LAWLESSNESS OUT THERE, - HE'SBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO I THINK - MAKE SURE THERE'S ORDER IN THE - COUNTRY, AS WELL. - BUT ALSO TO PROJECT THE TONE OF - THE COUNTRY THAT SUGGESTS THAT - HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY'RE - GOING THROUGH. - >> Woodruff: IN CONNECTION

- WITH THAT,ENATOR THUNE, THE - SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, MITCH - McCONNELL, JUST IN THE LAST - COUPLE OF HOURS TOLD REPORTERS - HAS A ROLE TO PLAY. - HE SAID IN DEALING WITH RACIAL - DISCRIMINATION AND POLICE - ACCOUNTABILITY. - WHAT EXACTLY DO REPUBLICANS IN - THE SENATE HAVE IN MIND WITH - REGARD TO EITHER OF THESE BIG - ISSUES? - >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S TO BE - DETERMINED. - I THINK WHAT THE LEADER WAS - SUGGESTING IS THAT WE WANT TO BE - A CONSTRUCTIVE FORCE. - WE UNDERSTAND, WE GET IT. - PEOPLE FEEL VERY STRONGLY RIGHT - NOW, AND CLEARLY MANY OF THESE - THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR - WAY TOO LONG. - AND I THINK OUR COUNTRY IS READY - FOR A PERIOD OF HEALING. - THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STEPS THAT - HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN THE PAST. - YOU KNOW IN 2017 WE PASSED AN - ECONOMIC POLICIES THAT I THINK - HAVE REALLY ENHANCED THE - ECONOMIC VITALITY IN A LOT OF - OUR MINORITY COMMUNITIES IN THIS - COUNTRY. - CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM WAS

- SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED HERE - JUST IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, AND - THAT WAS A LONG-SOUGHT-AFTER - REFORM TO OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE - SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY. - SO I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT - WE CAN DO. - AND THAT WAS VERY BIPARTISAN. - IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS - ADVOCATED BY PEOPLE ON BOTH THE - RIGHT AND THE LEFT. - THINK THERE ARE SOLUTIONS LIKE - THAT THAT WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING - AT THAT I THINK SEND A MESSAGE - THAT WE RECOGNIZE THE - FRUSTRATIONS AND THE SENSE OF - SORT OF HELPLESSNESS THAT A LOT - OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY FEEL - AND THE FACT THAT NOT EVERYBODY - SPECIOUSES OUR DEMOCRACY AND OUR - HISTORY AND OUR HERITAGE THE WAY - THAT MANY OF US. - THOSE OF US WHO HAVE GROWN UIN - NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DIDN'T DEAL - WITH A LOT OF THE SOCIAL UNREST - AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGE THAT WE - HAVE IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN - THIS COUNTRY CERTAINLY HAVE A - LOT TO LEARN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE - BEEN THROUGH THOSE EXPERIENCES. - I THINK THIS IS A PERIOD OF TIME - WHEN WE NEED TO LISTEN, AND IF - THERE ARE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE - MEANINGFUL, WE OUGHT TO BE - LOOKINGWHAT WE CAN DO TO FIND - SOME COMMON GROUND. - >> Woodruff: JUST QUICKLY, NO - TIMETABLE ON THAT? - >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A - TIMETABLE, BUT I THINK WE'RE --

- I THINK WHAT THE LEADER WAS - SUGGESTING IS THAT WE ARE OPEN - TO SOLUTIONS, AND WE WANT TO BE - A CONSTRUCTIVE FORCE FOR CHANGE. - >> Woodruff: FINALLY, SENATOR, - I WANT TO TURN TO THE PANDEMIC, - WHICH IS SO VERY MUCH UNDER WAY, - PEOPLE STICKING GETTING SICK, - STILL DYING, A LOT OF PEOPLE - STILL -- MILLIONS OF AMERICANS - OUT OF WORK. - THE PAYCHECK PROTECTION PROGRAM. - MONEY THAT HAS NOW BEEN - DISPISSED TO BUSINESSES, MANY OF - THEM HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SPEND - IT YET. - IT HAS TO DO WITH A TIMETABLE - FOR THAT. - TIME IS RUNNING OUT BEFORE YOU - GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WILL - BE REQUIRED TO SPEND THE MONEY. - LEGISLATION OUT THERE TO EXTEND - THE TIMETABLE, IS THAT GOING TO - BE PASSED? - WHERE DOES THAT STAND RIGHT NOW? - >> WELL, THERE IS A BILL THAT - ORIGINATED IN THE HOUSE OF - REPRESENTATIVES. - IT PASSED 417-1, WHICH IS - AWAITING ACTION IN SENATE. - I HOPE WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON - THIS. - THESE ARE CHANGES THAT NEED TO - BE MADE. - WE ARE RUNNING UP AGAINST THE

- CLOCK. - WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH SOME - OBJECTIONS THAT CERTAIN SENATORS - HAVE. - BUT I HOPE WE CAN GET THERE. - THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN - VERY BY ALL ACCOUNTS SUCCESSFUL. - IT'S KEPT A LOT OF PEOPLE - EMPLOYED. - LORD KNOWS WITH ALL THE PEOPLE - WHO ARE UNEMPLOYED RIGHT NOW, WE - WANT TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO - KEEP THOSE JOBS THERE, AND SO - WHEN THE ECOMY STARTS - RECOVERING AND IT IS STARTING TO - SHOW SIGNS THAT IT IS, THOSE - JOBS WILL BE AVAILABLE SOME IT'S - AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF - LEGISLATION, AND THESE CHANGES - THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ARE - CHANGES THAT ENJOY BROAD - BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. - THERE OUGHT TO BE A PATH FORWARD - TO GET ITONE. - I HOPE WE CAN FIND THAT PATH. - >> Woodruff: AND IN THE COMING - FEW DAY, THIS WEEK? - >> IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD - DO HIT THE WEEK. - I THINK THAT THERE ARE REASONS - WHY THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE AS - SOON AS POSSIBLE. - BUT AS I SAID, IT'S GOING TO -- - IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAN - HAD HOPED. - WE CAN DO THINGS IN THE SENATE. - IF YOU HAVE UNANIMOUS CONSENT, - YOU CAN DO THEM VERY QUICKLY. - UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE - UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT THE MOMENT. - >> Woodruff: SENATOR JOHN - THUNE OF SOUTH DAKOTA, WE - APPRECIATE IT. - THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

- >> THANKS, JUDY. - NICE TO BE WITH YOU. - >> Woodruff: AND NOW WE TURN - TO ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, FROM - BISHOP MARIANN BUDDE, WHO LEADS - THE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF - WASHINGTON, D.C. - ST. JOHN'S, ACROSS FROM THE - WHITE HOUSE, HAS BEEN KNOWN AS - "THE CHURCH OF THE PRESIDENTS" - FOR OVER 200 YEARS. - IT WAS PARTIALLY BURNED ON - SUNDAY NIGHT DURING THE UNREST, - AND THEN, YESTERDAY EVENING, WAS - THE SITE OF THE PHOTO-OP BY THE - PRESIDENT AND SOME ADVISORS. - BISHOP BUDDE AND CHURCH - LEADERSHIP HAVE DERIDED THE USE - OF THE RELIGIOUS SITE FOR THAT - PURPOSE, AND FOR THE WAY FEDERAL - OFFICERS VIOLENTLY CONFRONTED - PROTESTERS AS THE PRESIDENT - HEADED TO THE CHURCH. - AND BISHOP BUDDE JOINS US NOW. - THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING - WITH US. - WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO SPEAK OUT? - >> IT WAS A-- IT WAS A - CONFLUENCE OF EVENTS IN THE-- IN

- THE VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME - WHEN THE IMAGES OF THE PRESIDENT - FOLLOWING THE-- THE-- THE - DISPERSAL OF THE CROWDS THAT YOU - MENTIONED, FOLLOWING HIS-- - EXTREMELY INFLAMMATORY TO MY - EARS-- REMARKS IN THE ROSE - GARDEN, AND THEN-- AND THEN - BRINGING HIMSELF AND HIS - ENTOURAGE IN OUR SACRED SPACE, - USING IT AS A BACKDROP AND - HOLDING THE BIBLE AS IF TO PUT - ON THE MANTLE OF RELIGIOUS - AUTHORITY OR BLESSING OF WHAT HE - HAD-- HAD JUST SAID AND DONE. - AND I FELT IT WAS URGENT TO - REMOVE THAT ASSOCIATION AS - QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND TO STATE - OUR POSITION IN FAITHFULNESS TO - THE GOSPEL AS WE UNDSTAND IT. - >> Woodruff: THE WHITE HOUSE - VIEW ON THIS, BISHOP BUDDE, HAS - BEEN THAT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE - CHURCH THE NIGHT BEFORE, THE - FIRE BEING SET THERE, WAS

- UNACCEPTABLE, AND THE PRESIDENT - WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT - THAT. - >> WELL, HE MADE NO STATEMENT, - JUDY. - AND HE DIDN'T COME TO PRAY. - HE DIDN'T COME TO OFFER HIS - CONDOLENCES TO THE-- THE - GRIEVING FAMILIES THAT ARE - STRUGGLING WITH THE WEIGHTF - LOSS IN THIS COUNTRY. - HE DIDN'T OFFER HOPE OR - CONSOLATION, TO-- TO THE NATION - IN SEARCH OF IT. - AND HE SAID NOTHING TO THE - OFFICIALS THERE ABOUT, ABOUT THE - FIRE. - IT WAS A-- THERE WAS NO - CONVERSATION WHATSOEVER. - IT WAS JUST SIMPLY A SYMBOLIC - GESTURE ON HIS PART. - AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT EVEN WE - ARE UPSET ABOUT THE FIRE, AS - WELL, BUT THAT IS NOT OUR - PRIMARY FOCUS. - OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS THE REASON - BEHIND THE-- FUNDAMENTAL REASONS - BEHIND THE PROTESTS IN OUR - COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. - >> Woodruff: I SEE TODAY THAT - THE PRESIDENT'S COUNSELOR, - KELLYANNE CONWAY, IS SAYING FOR, - FOR PEOPLE TO QUESTION WHAT THE - PRESIDENT DID, TO CALL IT A - PHOTO-OP OR A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY, - IS TO QUESTION HIS FAITH. - IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? - ARE YOU QUESTIONING THE - PRESIDENT'S FAITH?

- >> NOW, I'M CHALLENGING HIS - ACTIONS, AND I AM-- I AM-- I AM - SAYING TO HIM, AND TO ALL WHO - WILL LISTEN, THAT THE GOSPEL OF - JESUS AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE - SCRIPTURE ARE ANTITHETICAL TO - THE MESSAGES THAT HE IS - COMMUNICATING, AND THE WAY HE IS - RESPONDING TO PEOPLE IN THIS-- - IN THIS MOMENT, AND THAT THERE - IS NO SPIRITUAL MANTLE OF - AUTHORITY FOR THE ACTIONS THAT - HE HAD JUST MOMENTS BEFORE SAID - THAT HE WOULD TAKE. - >> Woodruff: YOU TOLD THE - "WASHINGTON POST" YESTERDAY, AND - I'M QUOTING, "EVERYTHING THIS - PRESIDENT HAS SAID AND DONE WAS - TO INFLAME VIOLENCE. - WE NEED MORAL LEADERSHIP, AND - HE'S DONE EVERYTHING TO DIVIDE - US." - IS THERE ANY WAY TO BEGIN TO - HEAL THIS BREACH THAT YOU'RE - DESCRIBING? - >> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE SEE - EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE ATTEMPTING - THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. - THE POLICE OFFICIALS AND - OFFICERS WHO ARE MOVING INTO THE - CROWDS TO SPEAK TO THEM.

- THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACKNOWLEDGING - PAIN AND SEEKING TO MAKE - FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE FOR THE GOOD - OF THE NATION, AND IN PARTICULAR - FOR THE-- FOR THE SAFETY AND - DIGNITY OF BLACK AND BROWN - PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. - SO, YES, THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF - STEPS THAT ANY ONE OF US CAN - MAKE, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT, - TO HEAL THE BREACH. - BUT IT ISN'T IT ISN'T BY - INFLAMING EMOTIONS. - IT'S TRYING TO BRING THEM DOWN - AND TRYING TO OFFER A WORD OF - UNITY RATHER THAN RATHER THAN - DIVISION. - >> Woodruff: AND WHAT WOULD THAT - LOOK LIKE? - I MEAN, WHAT-- WHAT TANGIBLY - NEEDS TO BE SAID AND NEEDS TO BE - DONE RIGHT NOW, DO YOU BELIEVE? - >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I AM - LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT I - SPEAK TO, WHO ARE MAKING THEIR - WAY TO PROTESTS ACROSS THIS - COUNTRY, INCLUDING MY OWN - CHILDREN. - THERE IS A DEEP DESIRE FOR THE - FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES AT STAKE, - BROUGHT TO LIGHT BY THE - MURDEROUS DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD - AND THE COUNTLESS OTHERS THAT

- WE'VE WITNESSED IN THIS LONG - STRING OF VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACK - AND BROWN PEOPLE. - THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED - IN A SYSTEMIC, FUNDAMENTAL WAY - IN THE WORLD, FROM EVERY POLICE - DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY AND - THE VIGILANTE CIVILIAN ACTIONS - THAT ARE TAKEN. - SO THAT'S ONE THING. - THE SECOND THING IS TO ADDRESS - THE ENORMOUS DISPARITIES THAT - HAVE BEEN LAID BARE BY THIS-- BY - THIS PANDEMIC, AND TO SAY THAT - WE WILL WORK FOR MEANINGFUL - CHANGE. - AND FINALLY, JUDY, TO SPEAK A - WORD OF HOPE TO RISING - GENERATIONS, THAT THEY DO INDEED - HAVE A FUTURE WHEN SO MUCH HAS - BEEN TAKEN FROM THEM SO QUICKLY. - >> Woodruff: HOW BIG A DIVIDE, - THOUGH, BISHOP BUDDE, IS THERE - INSIDE? - FAITH, THE FAITH, THE COMMUNITY - OF FAITH IN THIS COUNTRY. - I WAS READING JUST A FEW MINUTES - AGO A COMMENT FROM AN - EVANGELICAL PASTOR IN SOUTH - CAROLINA. - HIS NAME IS MARK BURNS. - HE SAID-- HE SAID "JESUS - WELCOMES ALL," REFERRING BACK TO - THE PRESIDENT, "GOING TO THE - CHURCH," THAT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE

- NEEDED PERMISSION TO GO THERE. - IN OTHER WORDS, SAYING, YOU - KNOW, THIS IS A MOMENT TO - WELCOME EVERYONE. - >> WELL, IF THE PRESIDENT HAD - COME TO PRAY, IF THE PRESIDENT - HAD COME TO-- TO-- TO GREET US - IN THE NAME OF-- OF THE COUNTRY - AND TO OFFER OUR OWN ENCOURAGING - WORD, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE - THING. - BUT THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DID. - THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DID. - AND HE IS ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME - AND PRAY. - HE IS ALWAYS WELCOME TO BE PART - OF THE WORSHIPING BODY, BUT NOT - TO USE THE MANTLE OF THE CHURCH - TO HIS POLITICAL-- TO-- TO - COMMUNICATE A POLITICAL MESSAGE. - AND I THINK THAT, TO ME, IN - ADDITION TO-- IN ADDITION TO - STEAMING-- TO STOKE THE FLAMES - OF-- OF ANGER AND OF-- OF A - PUNITIVE RESPONSE TO WHAT'S - HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY, I - THINK IS SHORT-SIGHTED AND NOT - THE MORAL LEADERSHIP WE NEED. - >> Woodruff: AND ONE LAST THING. - HAVE YOU BEEN IN DIRECT CONTACT

- WITH THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT WHAT - HAPPENED YESTERDAY? - >> I HAVE NOT, AND IN FACT, MY - MESSAGE, AND THAT OF THE CHURCH, - WAS NOT DIRECTED TO THE - PRESIDENT, BUT TO THE AMERICAN - PEOPLE, AND ESPECIALLY TO THOSE - WHO ARE WATCHING WITH HORROR OF - WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BOTH LEADING - UP TO HIS REMARKS AND - AFTERWARDS, THAT WE WANTED TO - SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM HIS - MESSAGE AND TO REAFFIRM OUR - COMMITMENT TO NONVIOLENCE, TO - JUSTICE AND TO THE ADDRESSING OF - SYSTEMIC RACISM AND WHITE - SUPREMACY IN THIS COUNTRY. - AND THAT WAS WHERE OUR FOCUS - WOULD BE, NOT IN SPEAKING - DIRECTLY WITH THE PRESIDENT - HIMSELF. - >> Woodruff: BISHOP MARIANNE - EDGAR BUDDE, THE EPISCOPAL - BISHOP FOR THE DIOCESE OF - WASHINGTON, D.C. - WE THANK YOU SO MUCH. - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: IN THE DAY'S OTHE - NEWS, FEDERAL HEALTH OFFICIALS

- SOUNDED NEW WARNINGS THAT - PROTESTS GRIPPING THE NATION - COULD WORSEN THE COVID-19 - PANDEMIC. - DR. DEBORAH BIRX, HEAD OF THE - WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS TASK - FORCE, SAID TESTING IS NOW MORE - VITAL THAN EVER. - >> I WORRY TERRIBLY ABOUT THE - PEACEFUL PROTESTS. - I SEE SOME WEARING MASKS; I SEE - SOME OTHERS NOT WEARING MASKS. - AND SO, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO - WORK WITH EACH OF THE MAYORS TO - EXPAND TESTING AVAILABILITY OVER - THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, SO THAT - THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INVOLVED - IN THE PEACEFUL PROTESTS CAN GET - TESTED. - >> Woodruff: THE OFFICIAL COUNT - OF COVID-19 CASES IN THE U.S. - HAS NOW PASSED 1.8 MILLION, WITH - MORE THAN 106,000 DEATHS. - NORTH CAROLINA'S DEMOCRATIC - GOVERNOR SAID TODAY THAT THE - PANDEMIC MEANS THE REPUBLICAN - NATIONAL CONVENTION, PLANNED FOR - CHARLOTTE IN AUGUST, MUST BE - SCALED BACK. - IN TURN, G.O.P. LEADERS SAID - THEY WILL BEGIN VISITING - ALTERNATIVE CITIES. - PRIDENT TRUMP HAS INSISTED ON - A FULL-SCALE CONVENTION. - THIS WAS THE BIGGEST DAY OF

- VOTING SINCE THE COVID-19 - PANDEMIC BEG. - NINE STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF - COLUMBIA HELD PRIMARIES, AND - WHILE MANY VOTED IN PERSON, - OFFICIALS REPORTED SHARP - CREASES IN VOTING BY MAIL. - IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL - RACE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT - JOE BIDEN COULD WIN THE - DELEGATES HE STILL NEEDS TO - CLINCH THE NOMINATION. - THE UNITED STATES HAS DEPORTED - AN IRANIAN PROFESSOR WHO WAS - ACQUITTED OF STEALING TRADE - SECRETS. - SIROUS ASGARI HAD BEEN WORKING - WITH AN OHIO UNIVERSITY WHEN HE - WAS JAILED IN 2016. - A FEDERAL JUDGE THREW OUT THE - CASE LAST FALL, BUT ASGARI - REMAINED IN JAIL, WHILE IRAN AND - THE U.S. ARGUED OVER TERMS OF - HIS RETURN. - ON WALL STREET TODAY, STOCKS - ROSE FOR A THIRD DAY, AS - INVESTORS FOCUSED ON ECONOMIC - RECOVERY. - THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE - GAINED 267 POINTS TO CLOSE AT - 25,742. - THE NASDAQ ROSE 56 POINTS, AND - THE S&P 500 ADDED 25. - AND, PRO BASKETBALL HALL OF

- FAMER WES UNSELD HAS DIED, AFTER - A LONG SERIES OF HEALTH - PROBLEMS. - HE PLAYED 13 SEASONS FOR THE - TEAM NOW KNOWN AS THE WASHINGTON - WIZARDS, AND WON THE N.B.A. - TITLE IN 1978. - LATER, HE SERVED AS COACH AND - GENERAL MANAGER. - WES UNSELD WAS 74 YEARS OLD. - >> Woodruff: NOW, TO QUESTIONS - RAISED BY LAST NIGHT'S POLICE - >> Woodruff: NOW, TO QUESTIONS - RAISED BY LAST NIGHT'S POLICE - AND NATIONAL GUARD ACTION - OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. - THE PRESIDENT HAS SPOKEN OF - "DOMINATING" THE STREETS, AND - HAS SAID HE WOULD USE THE - ACTIVE-DUTY U.S. MILITARY TO DO - SO. - HERE'S JOHN YANG. - >> Yang: JUDY, UNDER THE LAW AND - UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, JUST - WHAT ROLE MAY THE MILITARY PLAY

- AT A TIME OF CIVIL UNREST? - NICK SCHIFRIN, OUR FOREIGN - AFFAIRS AND DEFENSE - CORRESPONDENT, IS HERE TO WALK - US THROUGH THAT QUESTION. - FIRST OF ALL, NICK, WHAT HAS THE - PENTAGON BEEN DOING OVER THE - LAST SEVERAL DAYS? - >> Schifrin: JOHN, DEFENSE - OFFICIALS SAY SECRARY OF - DEFENSE MARK ESPER AND CHAIRMAN - OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF - MARK MILLEY HAVE BEEN - COORDINATING WITH GOVERNORS, - TRYING TO ENSURE NATIONAL GUARD - ARE WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED. - IN TOTAL, 18,000 NATIONAL GUARD - HAVE DEPLOYED ACROSS 29 STATES - AND D.C. - BUT THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP HAVE - ALSO BEEN PART OF PRESIDENT - TRUMP'S POLITICAL AND RHETORICAL - RESPONSE. - YESTERDAY, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE - MARK ESPER PARTICIPATED IN THE - PRESIDENT'S PHOTO-OP OUTSIDE ST. - JOHN'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH NEAR THE - WHITE HOUSE. - TODAY, A SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL - MADE THE EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM - THAT ESPER DID NOT KNOW ABOUT - THAT PHOTO OP WHEN HE LEFT THE - WHITE HOUSE. - HE ONLY THOUGHT THATHE - PRESIDENT WANTED TO REVIEW A - POLICE FORMATION.

- ALSO LAST NIGHT, MARK MILLEY - WALKED WASHINGTON, D.C., IN - WHAT'S CALLED HIS BATTLE DRESS - UNIFORM AFTER THE PRESIDENT SAID - HE'D "PUT MILLEY IN CHARGE." - MULTIPLE FORMER SENIOR MILITARY - OFFICIALS WHO I TALKED TO TODAY, - JOHN, INCLUDING THOSE WHO WORK - IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, - SAID THAT MILLEY'S WALK, ESPER'S - PARTICIPATING IN THE PHOTO OP - AND ALSO ESPERS TELLING - GOVERNORS YESTERDAY TO "DOMINATE - THE BATTLE SPACE," MILITARIZES A - LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND - POLITICIZES THE MILITARY. - THESE FORMER OFFICIALS WERE - ESPECIALLY APPALLED, ONE OF THEM - USED THAT WORD, AT MILLEY - PARTICIPATING IN THAT - PRESIDENTIAL PHOTO OP WHILE HE - WAS IN UNIFORM. - USING THE MILITARY AS THE FACE - OF A CONTROVERSIAL POLICY HIGH - HELP POLITICIANS SHORT-TERM - TERM, BUT CIVIL MILITARY EXPERTS - SAY LONG TERM IT DEGRADES THE - MILITARY'S RESPECT AMONG - AMERICANS. - >> Yang: AND NICK, THE - PRESIDENT HAS SAID IF CITIES OR - STATES CAN'T PROTECT LIFE OR - PROPERTY, THAT HE'S GOING TO - SEND THE MILITARY IN, AND IN HIS - WORDS, "SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR

- THEM." - CAN HE DO THAT? - THE. - WOODS HOLE NEW YORK A WORD, YES, - BUT HE HAS TO MAKE A LEGAL - ARGUMENT TO DOO, AND IT'S A - DRAMATIC STEP. - REMEMBER, GUARDSMEN FROM THE - COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY DEPLOY - ARE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNORS, - NOT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE - OR BY THE PRESIDENT. - FOR TRUMP TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON - HIS THREAT TO DEPLOY THE - MILITARY, EITHER GOVERNORS WOULD - HAVE TO ASK FOR THE MILITARY TO - BE DEPLOYED, OR THE PRESIDENT - HAS TO ARGUE THAT THE GOVERNORS - CANNOT PROVIDE SECURITY IN THEIR - OWN STATES. - LET'S THINK ABOUT EXAMPLES OF - THIS IN U.S. HISTORY. - 1992, THE L.A. RIOTS, PRESIDENT - BUSH SENDS IN THE MARINES AFTER - THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR REQUESTS - HIM TO DO SO. - BUT IN THE '50s AND '60s, - ABOUT HALF DOZEN TIMES - PRESIDENTS INVOKED THE - INSURRECTION ACT BECAUSE - GOVERNORS WOULDN'T ENFORCE CIVIL - RIGHTS LAW. - THE MOST FAMOUS EXAMPLE, 1957 IN - IT WILL ROCK WHEN PRESIDENT - EISENHOWER SENDS IN THE 101st - AIRBORNE. - THIS OF COURSE IS A VERY, VERY

- DIFFERENT SITUATION. - A SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL TLD - US TODAY THAT THE PENTAGON WOULD - PREFER NOT TO USE ANY ACTIVE - DUTY MILITARY, AND TO BE CLEAR, - THING FROM SAYS THERE ARE NO - ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY RESPONDING - TO ANY OF THESE PROTESTS, BUT - GIVEN THE PRESIDENTIAL THREAT, - JOHN, THERE ARE NOW ACTIVE DUTY - MILITARY POLICE OUTSIDE - WASHINGTON, D.C., THAT COULD BE - DEPLOYED IF THEY'RE ACTIVATED. - >> Yang: NICK, WHY CAN THE - PRESIDENT DO THAT IN WASHINGTON, - D.C.,? - >> D.C. IS NOT A STATE. - IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE - NATIONAL GUARD REPORTS TO THE - SECRETARY OF THE ARMY, AND - THEREFORE THE PRESIDENT. - FEDERAL POCE IN WASHINGTON, - D.C., REPORT TO FEDERAL - AUTHORITIES. - SO WHAT WE SAW IN LAFAYETTE PARK - YESTERDAY WHEN PEACEFUL - PROTESTERS WERE CLEARED FORCIBLY - SO PRESIDENT TRUMP COULD HAVE - HIS PHOTO OP, THAT WAS - CONTROLL BY FEDERAL - AUTHORITIES UNDER THE DIRECTION - OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, BILL - BARR INCH D.C. THE PRESIDENT - SIMPLY HAS POWER THAT HE DOESN'T - HAVE IN THE STATES. - SO WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT - FEDERAL POLICE IN D.C. OR THE - THREAT OF SENDING TROOPS INTO - STATES, FORMER SENIOR MILITARY

- OFFICIALS WHO I TALKED TO DON'T - QUESTION THE LEGALITY OF THESE - ORDERS, THEY QUESTION WHETHER - 'S APPROPRIATE TO USE FEDAL - AUTHORITY AND POSSIBLY THE - MILITARY TO TARGET U.S. CITIZENS - WHO ARE PROTESTING. - >> Yang: JOHN, I WANT TO - EXPAND THIS CONVERSATION TO - POLICING AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE AN - INCREASING MILITARY ENGLAND TO - POLICING. - FOR THAT I'M JOINED BY RADLEY - BALKO. - HE IS THE AUTHOR OF "RISE OF THE - WARRIOR COP: THE MILITARIZATION - OF AMERICA'S POLICE FORCES." - HE'S ALSO AN OPINION JOURNALIST - WITH THE "WASHINGTON POST." - HE JOINS ME FROM NASHVILLE. - RADLEY BALKO, WELCOME TO THE - NEWSHOUR. - THANK YOU VERY MUCH SOME WE'RE - TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU CALL "THE - WARRIOR COP." - ARE WE SEEING THE BLURRING OF - THE LINES BETWEEN THE WARRIOR, - THE SOLDIER, AND THE TRADITIONAL - POLICE OFFICER? - >> I THINK WE ARE, AND IT'S BEEN - A CONTINUATION OF A TREND THAT - WE'VE SEEN SINCE ABOUT THE - 1980s. - YOU KNOW, IN THIS COUNTRY WE - HAVE A LISTENING TRADITION OF - RESPECTING THE LINE BETWEEN - POLICE AND MILITARY, AND WITH - GOOD REASON. - A SOLDIER'S JOB IS TO KILL - PEOPLE AND BREAK THINGS, IT'S TO

- ANNIHILATE A FOREIGN ENEMY. - A POLICE OFFICER'S JOB IS TO - KEEP THE PEACE AND PROTECTED - CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. - WHEN YOU BLUR THE TWO, WHEN YOU - TAKE A POLICE OFFICER AND YOU - TRAIN THEM LIKE SOLDIERS AND ARM - THEM AND DRESS THEM LIKE - SOLDIERS AND YOU TELL THEM - THEY'RE FIGHTING A WAR ON CRIME - OR TERRORISM OR DRUGS OR - ANTIFA,% YOUR VILLAIN, WE - SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE SEE - SOME OF THE IMAGES WE'VE SEEN - OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS WHERE - POLICE OFFICERS ARE TREATING THE - PEOPLE THEY SERVE ALMOST LIKE AN - ENEMY COMBATTENED RATHER THAN - CITIZENS WITH RIGHTS. - >> Woodruff: - >> DOES IT GO BOTH WAYS? - DOES IT CHANGE THE MENTALITY OF - A POLICE OFFICER AND ALSO THE - WAY A PROTESTER MIGHT INTERACT - WITH THAT POLICE OFFICER? - >> ABSOLUTELY. - I INTERVIEWED A NUMBER OF POLICE - CHIEFS BOTH CURRENT AND RETIRED, - AND ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF E - INTERVIEWS, IS THAT WHEN YOU - RESPOND TO PROTESTERS WITH THESE

- MASKED NAMELESS FACES THAT - REPRESENT EVERYTHING THE - PROTESTERS ARE PROTESTING - AGAINST, NOT ONLY ARE THE - PROTESTORS DEHUMANIZED IN THE - EYES OF THE OFFICERS, BECAUSE - THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED TO THINK - MORE LIKE SOLDIERS, BUT THE - POLICE OFFICERS THEMSELVESES ARE - DEHUMANIZED IN THE DPROO EYES OF - PROTESTERS. - IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK THAT - POCE CHIEFS, HEADS OF POLICE - AGENCIES TRY TO SORT OF HUMANIZE - BOTH SIDES. - I THINK WE SAW WITH THE ATLANTA - POLICE CHIEF IN THE VIDEO, SHE - WENT OUT AND TALKED TO THE - PROTESTERS AND ASKED WHAT THEY - WERE UPSET ABOUT, ASKED... JUST - LISTENED TO THEM, TOOK SOME TIME - TO LISTEN. - AND I THINK THAT CAN GO A LONG - WAY TOWARD DE-ESCALATING SOME OF - THE TENSIONS. - >> AND WE'VE SEEN POLICE - OFFICERS EVEN TAKE ANEE WITH - SOME OF THE PROTESTORS AND - LISTEN. - AND THAT WILL OFTEN DIFFUSE THE - SITUATION. - WE HAVE ALSO SEEN SOME OF THE - OPPOSITE TACTICS, QUITE - AGGRESSIVE TACTICS FROM POLICE - OFFICERS AGAINST PROTESTORS. - TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SCENE IN - PHILADELPHIA. - WE SAW POLICE FIRING TEAR GAS AT - PROTESTERS WHO WERE TRAPPED

- AGAINST AN EMBANKMENT. - POLICE SAY THE PROTESTORS WERE - VIOLENT. - THE PROTESTORS SAY THEY WERE - TOTALLY PEACEFUL. - WHY DO WE SEE THESE KNDS OF - INCIDENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY DO - YOU THINK? - >> WELL, I THINK ON ONE SIDE, - PEOPLE ARE ANGRY. - AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK - YOU HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT - HAVE INCREASINGLY BEEN KIND OF - NOT ONLY TAUGHT TO THINK MORE - LIKE SOLDIERS AND APPROACH THEIR - JOB LIKE SOLDIERS AND TAKE A - VERY US VERSUS THEM MENTALITY TO - THE JOB, BUT I THINK DURING THE - TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, OVER THE - LAST THREE YEARS, YOU HAVE A - PRESIDENT AT THE VERY TOP WHO - HAS, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGED POLICE - BRUTALITY WHEN SPEAKING TO - POLICE ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE - LASHED OUT AT THE MEDIA. - WE'VE SEEN MORE ATTACKS ON - JOURNALISTS BY POLICE, DIRECT - ATTACKS, KNOWING ATTACKS OVER - THE LAST FEW DAYS THAN WE'VE - SEEN IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. - SO I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE - KINDS OF PROTESTS HAVE HAPPENED - OBVIOUSLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN - OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY. - THE REACTIONS HAVE OFTEN BEEN - SORT OF AGGRESSIVE AND

- MILITARISTIC. - BUT I DO THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING - NOW IS IT SEEMS PARTICULARLY - AGGRESSIVE AND I ALSO THINK THE - TARGETING OF JOURNALISTS, AT - LEAST ON THIS SORT OF SCALE, - SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN - BEFORE. - >> PROMEDIA ORGANIZATIONS SAY - THERE HAVE BEEN DOZENS IF NOT - MORE THAN 100 ATTACKS, POLICE - ATTACKING JOURNALISTS. - WE'RE ALSO SEEING THE - MILITARIZATION OF THE POLICE IN - TERMS OF WHAT THEY WEAR. - YOU MENTIONED THE TRUMP - ADMINISTRATION MAKING DIFFERENT - RHETORICAL DECISIONS IS ALSO A - POLICY CHANGE. - AFTER FERGUSON, THE OBAMA - ADMINISTRATION CURTAILED SOME OF - THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT THAT - POLICE OFFICERS CULD PURCHASE. - HAVE THOSE PURCHASES GROWN SINCE - THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED - MORE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO BUY, - PURCHASE MILITARY EQUIPMENT? - >> SO THE PROGRAM YOU'RE TALKING - ABOUT IS THE 1033 PROGRAM. - BY THE TIME THE OBAMA - ADMINISTRATION ROLLED IT BACK, - IT WAS ALMOST KIND OF A SYMBOLIC - MOVE BECAUSE A LOT OF POLICE - GROUPS WERE GETTING THEIR EQUIP - FROM DHS AND THROUGH OTHER

- PROGRAMS. - BUT IT WAS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT - MOVE SYMBOLICALLY. - ONE THING THE OBAMA - ADMINISTRATION DID THAT THEY GOT - A LOT OF RIDICULE FOR, I THINK - UNFAIRLY, IS THEY PAID A LOT OF - ATTENTION TO SYMBOLISM. - THEY CUT OFF THE REALLY - AGGRESSIVE MADE-FOR-BATTLEFIELD - TYPE WEAPONS. - BUT THEY SAID ANYTNG PAINTED - CAMOUFLAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE - REPAINTED. - DOMESTIC POLICE ORGANIZATIONS - COULDN'T USE IT. - AS I SAID, THEY GOT A LOT OF - RIDICULE. - I THINK IT WAS A VERY SMART - DECISION. - IT SHOWED THAT THEY WERE AWARE - OF THE MINDSET PROBLEM, OF THE - IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO -- COPS - NEED TO SEE THEMSELVES AS PART - OF THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE. - THEY NEED TO SEE THEMSELVES AS - THERE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF - THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING. - WHEN YOU DRESS IN CAMOUFLAGE AND - YOU START THINKING OF YOURSELF - AS A SOLDIER AND THE PEOPLE - YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING - AS THE ENEMY, IT'S HARD TO ACT - AS A POLICE OFFICER IS SUPPOSED - TO ACT. - YOU TENDS TO ACT MORE LIKE WE - SEE A SOLDIER ON A BATTLEFIELD. - >> RADLEY BALKO, AUTHOR OF "RISE

- OF THE WARRIOR COP: THE - MILITARIZATION OF AMERICA'S - POLICE FORCES," THANK YOU VERY - MUCH. - >> MY PLEASURE. - >> Woodruff: AND WE'LL BE BACK - SHORTLY WITH A "BRIEF BUT - SPECTACULAR" TAKE ON USING ART - TO SHOWCASE THE EVILS OF RACISM. - BUT FIRST, TAKE A MOMENT TO HEAR - FROM YOUR LOCAL PBS STATION. - IT'S A CHANCE TO OFFER YOUR - SUPPORT, WHICH HELPS KEEP - PROGRAMS LIKE OURS ON THE AIR. - >> Woodruff: FOR THOSE STATIONS - STAYING WITH US, WE TAKE A - SECOND LOOK AT OUR "RACE - MATTERS" REPORTING, ON HOW - BIAS AMONG CITIZENS AND THE - POLICE CAN ESCALATE INTO VIOLENT - CONFRONTATIONS AND EVEN DEATH. - BACK IN 2018, YAMICHE ALCINDOR - EXAMINED THOSE CONCERNS WITH

- N.A.A.C.P. PRESIDENT DERRICK - JOHNSON. - >> Alcindor: SEVERAL OF THE - LATEST CONFRONTATIONS HAVE - INVOLVED WHITE CITIZENS CALLING - POLICE ON AFRICAN AMERICANS - ENGAGED IN TYPICAL EVERYDAY - ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING A 12-YEAR- - OLD MOWING LAWNS NEAR CLEVELAND, - OHIO; TWO MEN BARBECUING AT A - PUBLIC PARK IN OAKLAND, - CALIFORNIA; OR THIS EIGHT-YEAR- - OLD GIRL SELLING BOTTLED WATER - WITHOUT A PERMIT OUTSIDE THE SAN - FRANCISCO GIANTS' BALLPARK. - THE WOMAN WHO CALLED POLICE HERE - BEING CAPTURED ON CELL PHONE - VIDEO POSTED BY THE GIRL'S - MOTHER. - >> OH, YOU CAN HIDE ALL YOU - WANT. - THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING TO SEE - YOU, BOO. - >> YEAH, ILLEGALLY SELLING WATER - WITHOUT A PERMIT. - >> ON MY PROPERTY. - >> IT'S NOT YOUR PROPERTY. - >> Alcindor: THE WOMAN WHO MADE - THE CALL LATER APOLOGIZED, AND - DENIED HER ACTIONS WERE RACIALLY - MOTIVATED. - MOST OF THESE INCIDENTS TOOK - PLACE OUTSIDE, AND IN PUBLIC, - AND WERE CAUGHT ON VIDEO THAT - OFTEN WENT VIRAL. - WHILE NONE OF THOSE INCIDENTS - RESULTED IN ARRESTS OR CHARGES - BEING FILED, THEY FOLLOWED OTHER - HIGH-PROFILE CONFRONTATIONS, - INCLUDING ONE IN MAY THAT TOOK A - MUCH MORE VIOLENT TURN.

- POLICE IN WARSAW, NORTH - CAROLINA, RESPONDED TO A CALL - AND, IN EARLY APRIL, TWO BLACK - MEN WERE ARRESTED IN A - PHILADELPHIA STARBUCKS, WHEN - EMPLOYEES CALLED POLICE BECAUSE - THE MEN HAD TAKEN A TABLE - WITHOUT ORDERING ANYTHING. - THE MEN WERE LATER RELEASED, AND - SETTLED WITH THE CITY FOR $1 - EACH AND A PLEDGE TO ESTABLISH A - PROGRAM FOR YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS. - THE FOUNDER OF STARBUCKS - PERSONALLY APOLOGIZED TO THE - MEN. - >> AS I SHARED WITH YOU IN - PHILADELPHIA, IT WAS A - REPREHENSIBLE SITUATION, THAT WE - TOOK COMPLETE OWNERSHIP OF, AND - SOMETHING THAT REALLY WAS - EMBARRASSING, HORRIFYING, AND - ALL THE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED - ABOUT THAT DAY. - >> Alcindor: AND, THE COMPANY - CLOSED THOUSANDS OF ITS STORES - NATIONWIDE A MONTH LATER FOR A - ONE-DAY PLOYEE TRAINING - SESSION ON HOW TO RECOGNIZE AND - OVERCOME IMPLICIT OR UNCONSCIOUS - BIAS IN THEIR DECISION-MAKING. - ALL OF THIS COMES AT A TIME WHEN - POLICE BEHAVIOR AND RESPONSE IS - UNDER SCRUTINY, PARTICULARLY - WHEN IT COMES TO DETAINING AND - ARRESTING BLACK PEOPLE. - ON JUNE 19, POLICE IN EAST - MANY OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE - TAKEN ON HASHTAGS AND MEMES OF - THEIR OWN, OFTEN REFERRED TO AS - "LIVING WHILE BLACK."

- WE EXAMINE THE CONCERNS, AND - SOME OF THE RESPONSES, WITH THE - PRESIDENT OF THE N.A.A.C.P., - DERRICK JOHNSON. - DERRICK JOHNSON, THANKS SO MUCH - FOR BEING HERE. - I WANT TO JUMP RIGHT IN. - THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENT AFTER - INCIDENT OF PEOPLE CALLING THE - POLICE ON BLACK PEOPLE WHILE - DOING REGULAR, EVERYDAY THINGS - LIKE SWIMMING AND BARBECUING. - WHAT DO YOU THINK IS AT THE - HEART OF THESE INCIDENTS? - >> WELL, WE HAVE SEEN, SINCE THE - PRESIDENT'S ELECTION IN 2016, AN - INCREASE OF INTOLERANCE. - YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO SIMPLY - SEE YOUNG KIDS AND THINK THEY - ARE CRIMINALS, THEY POSE A - DANGER. - IN MY HOME CITY OF DETROIT, - MICHIGAN, A 14-YEAR-OLD SIMPLY - ASKING FOR DIRECTIONS TO SCHOOL, - TO GET SHOT AT. - THE LEVEL OF INTOLERANCE IS - GERMINATING DIRECTLY FROM THE - WHITE HOUSE. - >> Alcindor: SOME PEOPLE ARE - CRITICIZING THE POLICE, SAYING - THAT THEY SHOULDN'T RESPOND WHEN - SOMEONE CALLS THE POLICE ON AN - EIGHT-YEAR-OLD SELLING BOTTLED - WATER. - WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK THE - POLICE HAVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE - POLICE SAY THAT THEY NEED TO - RESPOND BECAUSE, IF THEY ARE - CALLED, THEY NEED TO ENGAGE? - >> WELL, AT SOME POINT, THE - POLICE ALSO NEED TO TAKE AOUNT - THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE BEING - FALSELY ACCUSED, AND THOSE WHO - ARE ACCUSING SHOULD ALSO BE - FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES.

- HOW COULD A-- ANYONE CALL THE - POLICE ON AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD - SELLING BOTTLED WATER? - THE LEVEL OF INTOLERANCE IS - >> Alcindor: AND IN SOME OF - THESE INCIDENTS, WE SEE WHITE - PEOPLE, WHITE WOMEN, CALLING THE - POLICE ON BLACK PEOPLE. - THESE CALLERS OFTEN SAY THAT - THEY AREN'T MOTIVATED BY RACE, - THEY ARE JUST CONCERNED CITIZENS - THAT WANT TO TALK TO THE POLICE. - WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE AND WHAT DO - YOU MAKE OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT - PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO - CALL THE POLICE IF THEY HAVE A - CONCERN? - >> WELL, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING NO - ONE SHOULD CALL THE POLICE, BUT - IMPLICIT BIAS IS SOMETHING THAT - WE HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY - FOR MANY YEARS. - THE DIFFERENCE NOW BETWEEN THE - PAST IS, SOCIAL MEDIA HAS - ALLOWED INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS TO - CAPTURE WHAT IS TAKING PLACE, - TO REPORT IT, AND/OR HAVE A - COUNTER-SENSE OF INFORMATION, - THE TRUTH. - >> Alcindor: PEOPLE ARE SO - DISTURBED BY SOME OF THESE - INCIDENTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN - BUT WE ALSO SEE THAT STARBUCKS - CLOSED THOUSANDS OF ITS STORES - TO TRAIN ITS EMPLOYEES ON - IMPLICIT BIAS AND UNCONSCIOUS - BIAS. - ARE YOU AT ALL ENCOURAGED BY - WHAT YOU SEE STARBUCKS AND - OTHERS DOING? - >> WELL, WHEN CORPORATE CITIZENS - SUCH AS STARBUCKS UNDERSTAND THE - COMPLEXITY OF WHAT IS TAKING

- PLACE, TO TAKE A STEP BACK, SHUT - DOWN THE STORES, TAKE A LOSS TO - ENSURE THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES - UNDERSTAND THE SERIOUSNESS OF - MISREPRESENTING SOMEONE'S - CHARACTER OR BEHAVIOR, THAT IS - SIGNIFICANT. - OTHER CORPORATIONS SHOULD TA - NOTE. - >> Alcindor: BUT AMERICA HAD - ISSUES-- RACE ISSUES IN - PARTICULAR-- LONG BEFORE - PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ELECTED TO - OFFICE. - YOU REFERENCED PRESIDENT TRUMP - SEVERAL TIMES, BUT WHAT DO YOU - MAKE OF THE IDEA THAT THIS HAS - BEEN A LONG HISTORY, GOING BACK - GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE, LOOKING - AT AFRICAN AMERICANS AND SAYING, - "HEY, THAT'S A CRIMINAL, I NEED - TO CALL THE POLICE?" - OVERPOLICE-- OVER-CRIMINALIZING - AFRICAN AMERICANS? - >> WELL, YES, IT'S BEEN GOING ON - A LONG TIME, BUT TO NORMALIZE - WHAT'S TAKING PLACE-- SO, THAT - IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW. - THERE WAS A TIME THAT IT WOULD - HAVE BEEN UNHEARD OF IN THE LAST - 15 YEARS TO HAVE A - CHARLOTTESVILLE-PE RALLY. - AND, OVER TIME, PEOPLE SAY, THIS - IS NOT RIGHT. - BUT SINCE THE PRESIDENTIAL - ELECTION, WE HAVE SEEN A SHARP - INCREASE. - IN FACT, SINCE THE ELECTION OF - PRESIDENT OBAMA IN 2008, WE HAVE - SEEN THIS INCREASE. - AND NOW, THERE'S A COMPLETE LOSS - OF CIVILITY IN THE PUBLIC - SCOURSE, COMPLETE DISTRUST. - AND, MEDIA PLAYS A KEY ROLE IN - CREATING TRIBALISM, IN WAYS IN - WHICH WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN MANY, - MANY YEARS. - >> Alcindor: SO, DO YOU BELIEVE

- THAT, IF SOMEONE CAN THEN ELECT, - GO TO THE BALLOT BOX, ELECT AN - OFFICIAL THAT CARES ABOUT RACIAL - DISCRIMINATION, CARES ABOUT - THESE ISSUES, THAT THAT IS GOING - TO STOP SOMEONE FROM CALLING THE - POLICE ON A GIRL WHO IS SELLING - BOTTLED WATER? - DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS - SOMETHING THAT IS ULTIMATELY - POLITICAL, OR DO YOU THINK THAT - THERE IS A CULTURAL CHANGE THAT - NEEDS TO BE HAPPENING HERE? - >> WELL, IT IS AN ACCOUNTABILITY - QUESTION THAT I'M RAISING. - POLICE OFFICERS ONLY RESPOND IF - THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY IN - PLACE. - SO, WHEN YOU HAVE COUNTABLE - DISTRICT ATTORNEYS TO ENSURE - THAT THEY WILL APPLY THE LAW - EQUALLY TO BAD ACTORS, POLICE - OFFICERS, AS THEY WILL - CRIMINALS, THEN THE POLICE - OFFICERS ADJUST THEIR BEHAVIOR. - IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTED OFFICIALS - WHO ARE LEADERS IN THEIR - COMMUNITIES, AND THEY PUT IN - PLACE PUBLIC POLICY TO HOLD - PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, THEN THE - LEVEL OF INTOLERANCE WILL GO - AWAY, AND, BECAUSE THERE IS AN - ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURE THAT IS - IN PLACE. - >> Alcindor: YOU TALKED ABOUT - THE LAWS, YOU TALKED ABOUT - POLICIES, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING - ABOUT IS WHITE CITIZENS LOOKING - AT AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILD - SELLING BOTTLED WATER AND - SAYING, "I NEED TO CALL THE

- COPS." - THAT IS NOT A LAW THAT CAN - CHANGE-- THAT IS SOMEONE'S - HEART, OR SOMEONE'S MIND, - LOOKING AT THAT CHILD AND - SAYING, SOMETHING NEEDS TO - HAPPEN HERE. - >> WELL, IT IS HARD TO LEGISLATE - ONE-- SOMEONE'S HEART. - YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN - DO IS PUT ACCOUNTABILITY - MEASURES IN PLACE, AND HOPE THAT - DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES EMBRACE A - MULTICULTURAL REALITY, WHERE - PEOPLE CAN HAVE GREATER - APPRECIATION AND UNDERSTANDING. - >> Alcindor: WELL, THANK YOU SO - MUCH FOR JOINING ME, DERRICK - JOHNSON, THE PRESIDENT OF THE - N.A.A.C.P. - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: TONIGHT, WE PRESENT - AN ENCORE OF "BRIEF BUT - SPECTACULAR," FEATURING ARTIST - PAUL RUCKER. - HIS WORK SPEAKS PARTICULARLY TO - THE TIMES WE ARE IN NOW. - RUCKER USES HIS ART TO SHED - LIGHT ON SYSTEMIC RACISM, - POLICE BRUTALITY AND THE - CONTINUING LEGACY OF SLAVERY IN - THIS COUNTRY. - HIS STORY IS ALSO PART OF - "CANVAS," OUR ONGOING SERIES ON - ARAND CULTURE. - >> THE L.A. RIOTS HAPPENED ON MY - BIRTHDAY. - THEY STARTED ON MY BIRTHDAY, - APRIL 29, AND THAT WAS ONE OF

- THE TURNING POINTS FOR ME, THAT - I REALIZED I CAN'T MAKE ARTWORK - ABOUT NOTHING. - >> IN MAKING ARTWORK, IT'S - REALLY IMPORTANT TO BRING TRUTH - TO LIGHT. - THAT'S POWER. - WE REPEAT HISTORY OVER AND OVER - AGAIN, WHETHER WE, AS A COUNTRY, - ALLOW LYNCHINGS TO TAKE PLACE-- - THOUSANDS OF LYNCHINGS TO TAKE - PLACE, WITHOUT ANY KIND OF - ACCOUNTABILITY. - WE HAVE POLICE SHOOTINGS OR - SHOOTING BY CIVILIANS, SUCH AS - THE ONE THAT HAPPENED TO TRAYVON - MARTIN. - THERE'S PARALLELS TO THAT - SYSTEM, THERE'S PARALLEL SYSTEMS - AS FAR AS SLAVERY IN THE PRISON - SYSTEM. - WE WENT SEAMLESSLY FROM ONE - SYSTEM TO ANOTHER SYSTEM. - I DID ONE TIME-LAPSE THAT SHOWED - THE GROWTH OF THE U.S. PRISON - SYSTEM OVER A COUPLE HUNDRED OF - YEARS. - SINCE 1976, WE'VE BUILT, ON - AVERAGE, ONE NEW PRISON A WEEK - IN THE UNITED STATES. - WE CURRENTLY HAVE 2.3 MILLION - PEOPLE INCARCERATED RIGHT NOW. - THAT'S ONE IN EVERY 99 PEOPLE. - MY WORK IS NOT REALLY ABOUT - BLACK HISTORY. - IT'S NOT WHITEISTORY. - THIS IS AMERICAN HISTORY. - YOU HAVE A VISCERAL - UNDERSTANDING OF HISTORY WHEN

- YOU HOLD SOMETHING THAT WAS ONCE - USED ON HUMANS. - THIS IS A SHIP'S BRANDING IRON. - IT WAS USED TO BRAND AFRICANS, - HUMANS, BEFORE THEY WERE PUT ON - THE BOAT. - THE BRANDING IS "S" FOR SLAVE. - I WANT TO KEEP THESE PIECES AND - SHOW THESE PIECES, AND I ALLOW - PEOPLE TO HOLD THEM, SO, BECAUSE - THEY TELL A STORY. - THESE OBJECTS HOLD POWER OVER - ALL OF US RIGHT NOW, AND UNTIL - WE AS A SOCIETY ADMIT AND - CONFRONT THAT SYSTEMIC RACISM IS - SEWN INTO THE VERY FABRIC OF WHO - WE ARE AS A COUNTRY, WE'LL NEVER - BE ABLE TO DISMANTLE THIS UGLY - LEGA OF SLAVERY. - MY FATHER COULD HAVE BEEN - LYNCHED IF HE DIDN'T YIELD A - SIDEWALK TO SOMEONE. - MY FATHER COULD HAVE BEEN - LYNCHED IF HE SAID THE WRONG - WORD TO SOMEONE. - HE LIVED DURING A TIME WHERE YOU - HAD TO BE REALLY BRAVE, AND - UNFORTUNATELY, REALLY CAREFUL. - AND RIGHT NOW, I SHOULDN'T HAVE - TO BE CAREFUL, BUT AS PERSON OF - COLOR IN AMERICA, PARTICULARLY A - BLACK MAN IN AMERICA, I HAVE TO - BE CAREFUL. - SO, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO - BRING AWARENESS, REGARDLESS OF - HOW DANGEROUS IT IS. - MY NAME IS PAUL RUCKER. - THIS IS MY "BRIEF BUT - SPECTACULAR" TAKE ON THE - NORMALIZATION OF SYSTEMIC - RACISM.

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