PBS NewsHour; June 10, 2020, 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT

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- COMMITTED TO BUILDING A MORE - JUST, VERDANT AND PEACEF - WORLD. - ndMORE INFORMATION AT macfrg - >> AND WITH THE ONGOING SUPPORT - OF THESE INSTITUTIONS: - >> THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE - POSSIB BY THE CORPORATION FOR - AND BY CONTRIBUTIOYOUR PBS - STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. - THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: THE NATIONAL OUTCRY - TO END RACIAL INJUSTICE HAS - EXPANDED TONIGHT FROM PROTESTSTS - IN THE STRTO APPEALS TO - CONGRESS. - THE SETTING WAS A U.S. HOUSE - HEARING, HEADLINED BY THE - YOUNGER BROTHER OF GEORGE FLOYD, - WHO DIED IN POLICE CUSTODY LAST - MONTH. - CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA - DESJARDINS BEGINS OUR COVERAGE. - >> Desjardins: ONE DAY AFTER - BURYING HIS BROTHER GEORGE, - PHILONISE FLOYD WALKED INTO THE - U.S. CAPITOL WITH A MESSAGE, - PLEADING FOR JUSTICE AND ACTION.

- >> I'M TIRED. - I'M TIRED OF PAIN. - PAIN YOU FEEL WHEN YOU WATCH - WHEN YOU WATCH YOUR BIG BROTHER, - WHO YOU LOOKED UP TO FOR YOUR - WHOLE LIFE, DIE. - DIE BEGGING FOR HIS MOM. - STOP.EREO ASK YOU TO MAKE IT - >> Desjardins: HE APPEARED - COMMITTEE, NOW WORKING ON A BILL - AIMED AT POLICE BRUTALITY AND - RACIAL PROFILING.YD - GEORGE F DEATH SPARKED - NATIONWIDE PROTESTS AND - CONVERSATIONS AROUND POLICING - D RACE. - PHILONISE FLOYD WAS ONE OF - 12 PANELISTS AT THE HEARING. - ANOTHER, ANGELA UNDERWOO - JACOBS, ALSO GRIEVING. - HER BROTHER, PATRICK UNDERWOOD, - WASHOT AND KILLED IN OAKLAND, - CALIFORNIA PROTESTS LAST MONTH - WHILE HE WAS WKING AA - FEDERAL OFFICER AND GUARDING A - FEDERAL BUILDING. - SHE TOO CALLED OUT RACISM BY - SOME, BUT ALSO POINTED TO BLINDU - VIOLENCE THA STOP. - >> I'M WONDERING, WHERE IS THE - OUTRAGE FOR A FALLEN OFFICER - THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE AFRICAN - AMERICAN? - >> Desjardins: HOUSTON POLICE - CHIEF ART ACEVEDO HOED THE

- THOUGHT THAT MOST POLICE - OFFICERS ARE GOOD, AND THAT - THERE IS AN URGENT NEED FOR - REFORM. - >> THERE IS NO DENYING THAT - CHANGES IN POLICING MUST BE - MADE. - WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LAW - ENFORCEMENT'S PAST CONTAINSST - UTIONAL RACISM, INJUSTICES - AND BRUTALITY. - >> Desjardins: BUT SOMEAN - REPUBLITNESSES, LIKE - DARRELL SCOTT, REGULARLY SEEN AT - EVTS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, - WERE CAUTIOUS. I - GREE WITH THE FACT THAT - POLICE REFORM, OR BETTER YET, - POCE REVISION, SHOULD BE - ENACD. - BUT IT HAS TO BE ONE THAT IS - SENSITIVE TO THE STRESS, - TENSION, PRESSURE AND PARANOIA - THAT POLICING PRODUCES. - ONS.E WILL NOW PROCEED UNDER THS - >> Desjardins: THE QUESTION - ROUND, OFTEN THE MOST HEATED, - WAS LARGELY SOBER AND SERIOUS. - ASKED WHY HIS BROTHER DIED, - FLOYD SAID OFFICER DEREK - CHAUVIN, WHO PRESSED DOWN ON - GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK, KM. - D I THINK IT WAS PERSONAL, - BECAUSE THEY WOR THE SAME - PLACE. - SO, FOR HIM TO DO SOMETHING LIKE

- THAT, IT HADO BE PREMEDITATED. - >> Desjardins: AUTHORITIES HAVE - NOT YET INDICATED THAT CHAUVIN - HAD A PERSONAL MOTIVE. - ALSO AT THE HEARING, REPUBLICANS - PUSHED BACK AT THE IDEA OF - DEFUNDING THE POLICE. - >> IF YOU BEEVE WE SHOULD - DEFUND THE POLICE, WOULD YOU - PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? - I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE HERE RAISE A - HAND TO DEFUND THE POLICE. - I CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEE ANY OF - THE REPUBLICAN WITNESSES DO - THAT. - ST>> Desjardins: SOME PANE - OBJECTED TO HOW THE QUESTION WAS - ASKED, AND SAID THE IDEA OF - MOVING FUNDING INTO MENTAL - HEALTH CARE AND MMUNITY - PROGRAMS IS GOOD. - THE SETTING ITSELF WASTR - RDINARY, IN AN AUDITORIUM - IN THE CAPITOL VISITORS CENTER, - TO ALLOW FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING. - THIS, DAYS AFTER CONGRESSIONAL - DEMOCRATS INTRODUCED THEIR - POLICE REFORM LEGISLATION. - SENATE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO - OUTLINE THEIR OWN PLAN THISWE - , WITH SOUTH CAROLINA - SENATOR TIM SCOTT LEADING THE - EFFORT. - THE PRESSURE ON THEM IS NOT JUST - NATIONAL. - TODAY, IT WAS PERSONAL, FROM - HEARTBROKEN FAMILIES. - FLOYD POINTED TO HOW HIS BROTHER - DIED. - >> YOU DON'TO THAT TO A HUMAN

- BEING. - YOU DON'T EVEN DO THAT TO AN - ANIMAL.LI - HI MATTERED. - ALL OUR LIVES MATTER. - BLACK LIVES MATTER. - >> I TRULY HOPE YOU TAKE YOUR - POSITIONS, YOUR OFFICES, SO - SERIOUSLY YOU THNT TO WORK - TO AND COLLABORATE, - BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET IT - RIGHT, TRE IS NO HOPF FOR THE - REST. - >> Woodruff: AND LISA JOINS ME - NOW. - LISA, WHAT A HEARING. - SO YOU REPORTED THERE ABOUT - THETIMES HAVING MADE PUBLIC - THEIR LEGISLATION, THE PROPOSED - LEGISLATION ON POLICE REFORM. - TELL US MORE ABWHAT THE - REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING AT. - >> Reporter: RIGHT NOW THE - REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE A FIRM - OUTLINE THAT HEY'VE MADE PUBLIC - BUT WE KNOW, BLIND CLOSED DOORS, - THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME - THEY SEEM TO BE HOVERING OVER A - W COMMON THEMES, AT LEAST THE - SENATE REPUBLICANS. - LET'S LOOK AT THOSE IN A GRAPHIC - HERE, JUDY. - FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THOSE

- BLOCKING CHOLDZ, WE KNOW THAT'S - SOMETHING DEMOCRATS WANT TO DO - AS WELL. - ALSO REPUB - A REGISTRY OF DEBTS AND - MISTREATMENT OF POLICE. - THAT'S A TRICKY B TOPCAUSE - SOME OF THEM FEEL STATES SHOULD - BE GOVERNING THAT BUT TH IS ON - THE TAPE TABLE FOR THEM. - ALSO ANTI-WHRIRCHING - LEGISLATION, LEGISLATION THAT - HAS BEEN BLOCKED BY A REPUBLICAN - UP UNTIL NOW, RA PAUL, BUTHE - SEEMS TO BE, PERHAPS, WORKING - WITH THIS GROUP FIND A WAY TO - GET ON BOARD. - ALSO A NATIONAL COMMISSION ON - CRIMINAL JUSTICE, THAT IDEA FROM - REPUBLICANS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO - THE 9/11 COMMISSION IN SCOPE. - IT COULD TAKE SEVERAMONTHS O - COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. - JUDY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHATF - R, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE IN - THEIR LEGISLATION BUT IS A - HEATED DEBATAMONG REPUBLICANS, - A COUPLE OF IDEAS PARTICULARLY - ABOUT WHAT'S CALLED - POLICE-CALLED IMMUNITY, WHICH IS - BASICALLY COUROOM DECISIONS - THAT HAVE HELD THAT POLICE HAVE - A KIND OF IMMUNITY FROM BEING - PROSECUTED IN MANY CASES. - NOW, REPUBLICANS AE TALKING

- ABOUT WHETHER TO INCLUDE THIS IN - THEIR BILL OR NOT. - THEY'RE DIVIDED. - RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT IN THEIR - BILL. - ONE OTHER THING, THE CONCEPT OF - NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR DRUG - CASES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT - COULD END UP IN THIS REPUBLICAN - PROPOSAL AS WELL. - >> Woodruff: SO, LIS YOUE - MENTIONED A FEW NAMES OF - REPUBLICANS INVOLVED, WHAT OTHEE - BLICANS IS IT KNOWN ARE - EORKING ON THIS AND HOW MUCH - URGENCY DO THEY - HOW QUICKLY DO YOU THINK WE - COULD SEE SOMETHING? - >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, I THINK - IT'S REALLY IMPOANT TO TALK - ABOUT EXACTLY WHO IS IN THE ROOM - MAKING THE DECISIONS ON THIS - AND, AS WEP RETED, IT'S LED BY - TIM SCOTT. - IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHERS ON - THIS SO-CALLED TASK FORCE, IT IS - TIM SCOTT'S FELLO - SOUTH CAROLINAIAN LINDERSOH CARY - GRAHAM, CHAIRMAN OF THE - JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, JOHN CORNYN - TEXAS, SHELLY OF VIRGINIA, - JAMES LANGFORD OF OKLAHOMA. - THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE - THOUGHT TO HAVE HAD SPENT TIME T - SE ISSUES INCLUDING PAST - AND RECENT CRIMINAL JUSTICE

- REFORM. - THE URGENCY AND TIMING IS A BIT - OF A HEAD SCRATCHER. - THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, - THE DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING THEIRTT - BILL TO COM NEXT WEEK, - THEY HOPE TO HAVE A FLOOR VOTE - THE FOLLOWING WEEK. - SO THHOUSE IS ON A TWO-WEEK - TRAJECTORY TO PASS MAJOR - CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. - THE SENATE, IT ISN'T CLEAR WHAT - THR TIME FRAME YET. - THEY HOPE TO HAVE AN OUTLINE, - MAYBE EVEN LEGIAGATIVE LAN - THIS WEEK, BUT OFTEN THINGS TAKE - LONGER IN THE SENATE THAN THE - HOUSE, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO - SEE. - >> Woo FOR SURE. - AND LISA, THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A - WRENCHING COUPLE OF WEEKS ACROSS - THE COUNTRY FOR THE AMERICAN - PEOPLE. - WE KNOW PROTESTS IN, WHAT, 700 - AMERICAN CITIES. - I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE - FEELINERTHON THE HILL? - TALK TO MEMBERS?CROSS WHEN YOU - WHAT'S THE SENSE OF URGENCY OR - NOT THERE? - >> I THINK IT'S REALLY CHANGED - ACROSS THIS WEEK, JUDY, TALKING - TO SENATORS ON MONDAY, I DIDN'T - FEEL THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM, - REPUBLICANS MOSTLY WHO I SPOKE, - WITH HAD A SENSE OF URGENCY. - SOME DIDLIKE LISA MURKOWSKIEM

- TO BE TAKING IT IN AND - TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO - GO. - URNLINGSN'T HAVE TH - ARE. - I THINK THEY DO NOW. - DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN COME UP - WITH A DEAL? - I DON'T KNOW. - >> Woodruff: FINLY, LISA, A - BIT OF NEWS COMING FROM THE - CAPITOL LATE TODAY HAVING TO DO - WITH HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI - AND CONFEDERATEATUTES. - >> Reporter: RIGHT, THIS IS A - FASCINATING STORY, JUDY. - THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE HAS - WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE GROUP - OVERSEEING STATUTES IN THE - CAPITOL ASKING THAT ELEVEN - STATUTES OF CONFEDERAEN-- - THESE ARE WHO SERVED IN THE - CONFEDERACY -- BE REMOVED FROM - THE CAPITOL. - THESE RTICULAR STATUTES HAVE - BEEN SELECTED BY STATES, THEY'RE - PART OF THE NATIONALATUARY - HALL COLLECTION. - EACH STATE SELECTS TWO PEOPLE. - MOST OF THESE STATUTES WERE - SELECTED IN THE BEGF INNINGE - 20th CENTURY, BUT THESE, - AGAIN, ARE CONFEDERATES.

- THEY INCLUDE JEFFERSON DAVIS, - PRESIDENT OF THE CONFEDERACY, - THE VICE PRESIDENT ROBERT E. - LEE, TSE ARE MEN WHOSE - STATUTES ARE IN THE U.S. - CAPITOL, HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG - TIME. - THE HOUSE SPEAR SAYS IT'S TIME - TO REMOVE THESE STATUTES. - THAT'S A LINE NO ONE HAS CROSSED - BEFORE. - UNTIL NOW THEY'VE ONLY PUT THE - STATUTESIN S PROMINENT - LOCATIONS. - ONE OTHER THING, JUDY, THIS DOEN - NOLUDE SOME WHO WERE PRO - SLAVERY BEFORE THE CONFEDERACY - LIKE JOHN C. CALHOUN DEPICTED IN - THE CAPITOL FOUR TIMES, - INCLUDING TWICE OUTSIDE THETE - SECHAMBER. - THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK, WILL - CONTINUE. - >> Woodruff: A LOT OF PEOPLE - DON'T REALIZE THAT. - >> Reporter: YEAH. - >> Woodruff: LISA DESJARDINS - REPORTING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AT - THE CAPITOL. - LISA, THANK YOU. - >> Reporter: YOU'RE WELCOME. - >> Woodruff: IN THE DAY'S OTHER - NEWS, THE POLICE CHIEF IN

- MIDEAPOLIS, WHERE GEORGE FL - DIED IN CUSTODY, TOOK WHAT HE - DSAID IS A FIRST STEP TOW - TIEEPING CHANGE. - HE CALLED OFF NEIONS WITH - THE POLICE UNION, PENDING A - COMPLETE REVIEW OF THE CURRENT - UNION CONTRACT. - THE CHIEF SAID HE NEEDS THE - FLEXIBILITY TO GET RID OF - PROBLEM POLICE. - >> THERE IS NOTHING MORE - DEBILITATING TO A CHIEF, FROM AN - EMPLOYMENT PERSPECTIVE, THAN - WHEN YOU HAVE GROUNDS TO - TERMINATE AN OFFICER FORMI - ONDUCT AND YOU'RE DEALING - WITH A THIRD PARTY MECHANISM - THAT ALLOWS FOR TH EMPLOYEE TO - NOT ONLY BE BACK IN YOUR - DEPARTMENT, BUT TO BE PATROLLING - IN YOUR COMMUNITIES. - Woodruff: THE WHITE OFFICER - WHO PINNED GRGE FLOYD BY HIS - NECK HAD 17 COMPLAINTS AGAINST - HIM, BUT HE HAD BEEN DISCIPLINED - JUST ONCE. - AND IN ATLANTA, TWO MORE - OFFICERS WERE FIRED AFTER - COLLEGE STUDENTS WERE PULLED - AND TASED DURING A - PROTEST LAST MONTH. - BEEN DISMISSED.ERS HAD ALREADY - THERE ARE CALLS TO INVESTIGATE W - ATTORNEY GENERLIAM BARR

- FOR HIS DECISION TO HAVEOR - PROTESTERSBLY CLEARED FROM - NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE ON JUNE 1.S - SOME 1,250CE DEPARTMENT - EMPLOYEES MADE THE REQUEST TODAY - TO THE DEPARTMENT'S INSPECTOR - GENEL. - MEANWHILE, CREWS REMOVED SOME - TEMPORARY FENCING AND BARRICADES - FROM NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE. - THEY'D BEEN PLACED THERE AT THE - HEHT OF THE PROTESTS. - ALSO TODAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP - REFCTED STRIPPING THE NAMES - CONFEDERATE GENERALS FROM - MILITARY BASES IN THE SOUTHERN - U.S. - HE SAID HE WOULD "NOT EVEN - CONSIDER" IT. - BUT NASCAR BANNED THE - CONFEDERATE FLAG FROM ALL OF ITS - STOCK CAR RACING EVENTS AND - PROPERTIES. - THE FEDERAL RESERVE SAYS THAT IT - WILL NOT RAISE INTEREST RATES - THROUGH 2022, AS THE ECONOMY - CLAWS BACK FROM THE PANDEMIC - RECESSION. - TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT CAME AS - THE FED PROJECTED UNEMPLOYMENT - WILL STAY ABOVE 9% THROUGH - YEAR'S END. - CHAIRMAN JEROME POWELL SAID IT - IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEP RATES NEAR

- ZERO IN A BID TO BOOST GROWTH. - >> AS YOU KNOW, WE LOWED OUR - POLICY RATE VERY QUICKLY, - QUICKER THAN OTHERS, TO THE - EFFECT OF LOWER-BOUND, AND WE - SAID THAT WE'LL KEEP IT THERETH - UNTIECONOMY HAS WEATHERED - THE EFFECTS OF THE VIRUS AND IS - ON TRACK TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS. - >> Woodruff: THE CENTRAL BANK - PROJECTED THAT THE ECONOMY WILLO - RACT BY 6.5% THIS YEAR, BUT - GROW BY 5% NEXT YEAR. - THE COUNTRY CONTINUES REOPENING - FROM THE PANDEMIC, BUT - INFECTIONS ARE SURGING AGAIN. - MORE THAN A DOZEN STATES ARER - REPORTING THGHEST SEVEN- - DAY AVERAGES OANNEW CASES YET. - HOSPITALIZATIONS IN NINE OF - THOSE STATES HAVE INCREASED - SINCE MEMORIAL DAY. - ALL TOLD, THERE HAVE BEEN NEARLY - TWO MILLION CORONAVIRUS CASES IN - THE U.S., TH 112,000 DEATHS. - A RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE TODAY - ACCUSED THE JUSTICDEPARTMENT - OF ABUSING ITS POWER IN THE CASE - OF MICHAEL FLYNN. - JOHN GLEESON BLASTED THE

- GOVERNMENT'S MOTION TO DROP - CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST - PRESIDT TRUMP'S FORMER - NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. - THE TRIAL JUDGE HAD ASKED - GLEESOTO REVIEW THE MOTION. - THOUSTED STATE DEPARTMENT - INSPECTOR GENERAL SAYS THAT S T - BOSSES TRISTOP HIS - REVIEW OF A MAJOR ARMS SALE TO - SAUDI ARABIA.AN - RIPTS OF STEVE LINICK'S - INTERVIEW BY HOUSE DEMOCRATS - WERE RELEASED TODAY. - IN THEM, LINICK ALSO SAID THAT - HE WAS REVIEWING SECRETARY OF - STATE MIKE POMPEO'S ALLEGED USE - OF STAFFERS FOR PERSONAL - ERRANDS. - POMPEO RESPONDED THIS MORNING. - >> STEVE LINICK WAS A BAD ACTOR - IN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OFFICE - HERE. - HE-- HE DIDN'T TAKE ON THE - MISSION OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT, - TO MAKE US BETTER. - THAT'S WHAT I.G.s ARE SUPPOSED - TO DO.EY - ORK FOR THE AGENCY HEAD--E- - THAT'SMY MISTAKE WAS - LETTING MR. LINICK STAY HERE AS - LONG AS HE DID.

- >> Woodruff: LINICK HAD BEEN - THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S INSPECTOR - GENERAL SINCE 2013. - ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN GEORGIA - ARE UNDER SEARING CRITICISM - AND VOTING MACHINEED, INHOURS, - TUESDAY'S PRIMARY. - AMID THE CONFUSION, A DEMOCRATIC - CONTEST FOR A U.S. SENATE SEAT - REMAINS TOO CLOSE TO CALL. - WE WILL GET THE TAILS, RIGHT - AFTER THE NEWS SUMMARY. - AND ON WALL STRE, RECESSION - FEARS OVERSHADED NEWS THAT - INTEREST RATES WILL STAY LOW. - THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE - SLID 282 POINTS, BACK BELOW - 27,000. - THE NASDAQ ROSE 66 POINTS, BUT - THE S&P 500 LOST 17 POINTS. - STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: - WHAT ELECTION MISHAPS IN GEORGIA - MEAN FOR THE NOVEMBER VOTE. - "REOPENING RISKS." - ALABAMA SEES A SURGE IN COVID - CASES. - HOW GARDENING CAN OFFER FRESH - AIR, AND SOME SANITY, IN - TURBULENT TIMES. - PLUS, MUCH MORE. - >> Woodruff: TROUBLE WITH - ABSNTEE BALLOTS, NEW VOTING

- MACHINES, AND A GLOBAL PANDEMIC - CREATED A PERFECT STORM FORIN - CHAOEORGIA'S PRIMARY - YAMICHE ALCINDOR REPORTS ON THE - CHALLENGE VOTERS FACED. - >> Alcindor: JUDY, IONE OF - THE BIGGEST TESTS OF THE VOTING - SYSTEMS AHEAD OF NOVEMR'S - PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. - AND SOME VOTERS IN GEORGIA - WAITED MORE THAN FIVE HOURS TO - CAST THEIR BALLOTS. - GEORGIA'S SECRETARY OF STATE - CALLED THE PROBLEMS - "UNACCEPTAE," AND PUOCTHE - BLAME ON ELECTION - OFFICIALS, DURING AN INTERVIEW - WITH NEWSHOUR THIS AFTERNOON:DD - >> ALL OF A , WE OPENED UP - THESE POLLING LOCATIONS, AND ONE - OF THE COUNTY ELECTION DIRECTORS - SAID, "WELL, THIS IS THE FIRSTHA - TIMEMY POLL WORKERS HAVE - ACTUALLY TOUCHED THE SYSTEM - TODAY." - AND SO, IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE - TRAINING-- AND THAT'S REALLY A - LEADERSHIP ISSUE-- IF YODON'T - PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT AND THE - OVERSIGHT TO TRAIN YOUR POLL - WORKS-- I KNOW THAT YOU HAD - COVID, I GET THAT. F - >> Alcindo A CLOSER LOOK - AT WHAT WENT WRONG IN GEORGIA, - I'M JOINED BY ANDRA GILLESPIE. - SHE'S A POLITICAL SCIENCE - PROFESSOR AT EMORY UNIVERSITY. S

- THANMUCH FOR BEING HERE. - OBVIOUSLY, A LOT WENT WRONG IN - GEORGIA. - WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE VOTING - MACHINES, AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE - OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE KIND - OF PASSING OFF THE BLAME HER - >> WELL, IN SHORT, EVERYTHING - THAT COULD GO WRONG DID GO WRONG - YESTERDAY. - A NUMBER OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN. - E, THERE ARE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS - WITH VOTING IN GEORGIA SO - COUNTIES THAT OFTEN HAD - BOTTLENECKS LIKE FULTON COUNTY - CONTINUED TO HAVE THEM. - THERE ARE REPORTS THERE ARE - PLACES WITH LARGE - WARICAN-AMERICAN POPULATIONS - THAT HAD LONG IT TIMES AND - PERHAPS DIDN'T HAVE THE SAFF OR - MACHINES TO BE ABLE TO - FACILITATE VOTING. - ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAD THE - PROBLEM OF COVID 19 CREATING - ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES TO - LENGTHEN THE TIME TO HAVE - VOTING, TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO - STAND OUTSIDE FOR LONG PERIODS - OF TIME. - AND YOU HAD THIS AS A NEW VOTER - SYSTEM, SO PEOPLE WEREN'T USED - TO THE SYSTEM AN THERE WERE - PROBLEMS SETTING IT UP AND

- ACCLIMATING THE POLL WORKERS - THE SYSTEM AND THAT WAS COMPOUND - BID COTHE VID. - IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO HAVE - IACES OF TRAINING ANDN PLACES - POLL WORKERS WHO REFUSED TO SHOW - UP ON ELECTION DAY BECAUSE OF - THEIR OWN HEALTH AND SAFETY AND - CANCELED AT THE BLAST MUTE, - AGAIN, UNDERSTAFFING MANY - >> Reporter: SOUNDS LIKE A - PERFECT STORM OF THINGS GOING - WRONG. - MORE THAN ONE MILLION MAIL' IN - BALLOTS WERE CAST. - WHAT HAPPENED THERE. - >> PARTICULARLY IN FULTON - REQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOTS WHO - DIDN'T REQUEST THEM IN TIME TO - TURN THEM IN FOR THE ELECTION. - SO SOME THESE PEOPLE HAD TO - STAND LINE AS WELL. - ALSO SOME MEMBERS OF THEIR STAFF - ME DOWN WITH COVID 19, ONE HAD - TO CLOSE DOWN THE OFFICE FOR A - PERIOD, AND THEY WEWI - OVERWHELMEH THE ABSENTEE - BALLOT REQUESTS AND DOESN'SEEM - LIKE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET A

- HANDLING ON IT IN TIME FOR - PEOPLE TO GET THIR BALLOTS. - >> Reporter: LOOKING AHEAD TO - THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, HOW DOES - WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GEORGIA - RELATE TO OTHER STATES AND WHAT - LESSON SHOULD THE NATION AS A - >> THIS WAS A DRESS REHEARSAL - FOR NOVEMBER. - WE EXPECT COVID WILL BE WITH US - IN NOVEMBER AND MORE AND MORE - PEOPLE WILL WANT TO VOTE BY - ABSENTEE BECAUSE IT'S FER AND - MORE CONVENIENT, AND JUDGING BY - THE LINES SOME PLPEO - EXPERIENCED IN GEORGIA - YESTERDAY, SOME PEOPLE FEEL IT'S - SO THE STATE OF GEORGIA AND. - OTHER STATES NOT USED TO HAVING - MOST O THEIR ELECTORATE VOTE BY - MAIL WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW - TO REFINE THE PRCESSES SO - VOTERS GET THEIR BALLOTS IN - TIME, SO THEY ARE RETURNED IN - TIME, SO THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE - CLEAR. - SO IN GEORGIA, SPECIFICALLY, - THIS IS A MOMENT OF RECKONING, A - MENT WHERE THE SECRETARY OF - STATE'S OFFICE AND LOCAL ELECTED - OFFICIALS NEED TO EVALUE WHAT - WENT RIGHT AND WRONG WITH THEIR - PROCEDURES YESTERDAY, AND THEY - NEED TO TRTO FIX AS MUCH AS - POSSIBLE, AND THE RECRIMINATIONS - BACK AND FORTH WITH LOCAL SAND

- STATE OFFICIALS POINTING THE - FINGER AT EACH OTHER PROBABLY - ISN'T HEPFUL. - THERE IS PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO - AROUND. - THERE SEEMS TO BE A LACK OF - COMMUNICATION ON BOTH SIDES, IN - MA M INSTANCES, AND, SO, - ACTUALLY BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR AN - INDEPENDENT THIRPARTY TO COME - IN, INTERROGATE THE SYSTEM AND - QUICKLY PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS - ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO GO FORWARD. - >> Reporter: WE HAVE ABOUT A - MINUTE LEFT HERYO - I WANT TO ASABOUT BLACK - VOTERS AND VOTERS OF COLOR. - YOU CALL THIS A MOMENT OF - RECKONING. - WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM WHAT - HAPPENED IN GEORGIA THAT - PARTICULARLY IMPACTS BLACK - PEOPLE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR AND - HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE - NATION AO A WHLE? - WHAT SYSTEMIC ISSUES DO THOSE - COMMUNITIES FACE. - >> THERE WERE PROCEDURAL AND - SYSTEMIC ISSUES, SO I DON'T WANT - TO CHOKE IT UP TO VOTER - SUPPRESSION AT LARGE. - THE CHARGES OF VOTER SUPPRESSION - COME OUT BECAUSE SOME OF THES - PRECINHAT HISTORICALLY HAD - PROBLEMS WITH HIGH TURNOUT AND A - FEW MACHINES OR MACHINES THAT - DON'T WORK SEEM TO BE PLACES

- WHERE THERE WERE PROBLEMS AGAIN - YESTERDAY. - SO WE DO NEED TO ASK OURSELVES - WHETHER THERE IS A PARTICULAR - BIAS THAT ROUTINELY UNDERCOUNTS - AND UNDERESTIMATES THE AMOUNT F - BLACK VOTERS THAT WILL BE - SHOWING UP IN THE - MINORITY-SERVED DISTRICTS AND WE - NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE - NEED TO REALLOCATE RESOURCES AND - MACHINES TO THESE PRECINCTS SO - THEY DON'T HAVE THE LONG LINES - IN VOTING WHEN THERE ARE OTHER - PLACES THAT TINTED HAVE THE SAME - PROBLEMS WITH VOTING. - >> Reporter: A MOMENT OF - RECKSOING. - THANK YOUCH FOR JOINING - MEERANDRA GILLESPIE, OF EMY - UNIVERSITY. - >> THANK YOU. - Woodruff: AMERICANS ARE - TRYING TO MOVE CLOSER TO THEIRTI - PRE-PANDEMIC RS, BUT THERE - ARE WORRYING SIGNS THAT THE - EAVIRUS IS CONTINUING TO SIN - SOME OF THE STATES THAT HAVE - EASED RESTRICTIONS. - JOHN YANG HAS A LOOK AONE OF - THOSE ATES: ALABAMA. - >> Yang: IN THE VINTAGE CAFE IN - MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA, THE HUSTLE

- AND BUSTLE IS BACK. - >> WE'VE DONEVERYTHING FROM - CHANGE FLOORING, FROM CARPET TO - HARDWOODS. - WE'VE CHANGED ALL OF OUR - PRACTICES. - WE ARE PROMOTING THE USE OF - MASKS. - >> Yang: COOKS HAVE ADDED EXTRA - PRECAUTIONS TO THEIR NORMAL - KITCHEN ROUTINES. - ERIC RIVERA IS THE EXECUTIVE - CHEF. - WE WANTED TO BRING ALL OF OUR - STAFF BACK IN AGAIN, GIVE THEM - THE PROPER TRAINING, GET ALL THE - NEW TRAINING AND PROCEDURES INPL - ACE BEFORE WE DECIDED TO OPEN - WE WANTED THEM TO FEEL SAFE AND - SECURE COMING INTO OUR - ESTABLISHMENT, AND WE WANTED TO - FEEL SAFE AND SECURE AS WELL. - >> Yang: BUSINESS MAY BE ON ITS - WAY BACK ACROSS ALABAMA, BUT SOE - ARE OF CORONAVIRUS, ON - AN UPWARD TREND AFTER APRIL 30, - THE DAY STATE OFFICIALS BEGAN - EASING RESTRICTIONS. - IN A STATE WHERE COLLEGE - FOOTBALL IS KING, IT'S NEWS THAT - UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AND AUBURN - UNIVERSITY PLAYERS TESTED - POSITIVE THIS MONTH WHEN THEY - RETURN TO CAMPUS FOR WORKOUTS. - D METROPOLITAN AREAS, LIKE - .ONTGOMERY, THE STATE CAPITOL,

- HAVE BEEN HARD H - MAYOR STEVEN REED, A DEMOCRAT. - >> I THINK ANY TIME YOU HAVE - 337% INCREASE MONTH OVER MONTH, - THAT'STH PROBLEM. - AN'S WHAT WE HAD FROM THE - MONTH OF APRIL TO THE MONTH OF - MAY. - AND WE ALSO SAW ALMOST 80% OF - OUDEATHS THAT WE REPORTED - FAR OCCUR IN THE MONTH OF MAY. - >> Yang:LABAMA WAS AMONG THE - ST STATES TO ISSUE A STAY-AT- - HOME ORDER, ON APRIL 3, AND - FOUR WEEKS LATER, AMONG THE - FIRST TO BEGIN EASING - STRICTIONS. - BEACHES REOPENED. - >> WE'VE BEEN STUCK IN THE HOUSE - SO LONG, SO IT'S LIKE A - BREATHER, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO - GET OUT, SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D - BRING HIM OUT HERE TO ENJOY THE - SUN AND WATER. - >> Yang: IN-PERSON-- THOUGH - SOCIALLY DISTANCED-- HIGH SCHOOL - GRADUATIONS WERE ALLOWED. - CHURCH SERVICES RESUMED. - >> IT'S JUST NICE TO BE ABLE TO - FAMILY, AND SPEND TIME TOGETHER - WORSHIPPING GOD.

- >> Yang: GOVERNOR KAY IVEY, A - REPUBLICAN, ANNOUNCED THE PLAN. - >> WE CANNOT SUSTAIN A DELAYED - WAY OF LIFE AS WE SEARCH FOR A - VACCINE. - THERE ARE MANY VIRUSES THAT WE - LIVE WITH, AND HAVE WORKED - NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS INTO OUR - DAILY LIVES. - STANDING BY AND LETTING OUR - BUSINESSES COLLAPSE WHILE WE'VE - GOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF - FOLKS THAT ARE HURTING AND - SUFFERING IS NOT AN OPTION. - LIVELIHOOD TOO. HAVING A - >> WE CAN'T PUT THE DOLLARS OVER - THE DATA.OR - AND I THINK, UNATELY, - THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING AT - THE STATE LEVEL. - AND THAT, I BELIEVE, CUTED - TOOME OF THE INCREASING - NUMBERS THAT WE SAW. - BUT ALSOI THINK IT JUST GAVE - PEOPLE A SENSE THAT THIS - PANDEMIC WAS OVER AND THAT WE - HAD WON THIS BATTLE. - >> Yang: AT ALABAMA'S HOSPITALS, - THOUGH, E BATTLE IS FAR FROM - OVER. - DR. RACHAEL LEE IS AN - EPIDEMIOLOST AT THE UNIVERSITY - OF ALABAMA-BIRMINGHAM.

- >> WE ARE CONTINUING TO CARE FOR - ABOUT 50 TO 60 PATIENTS WITH - COVID EVERY SINGLE DAY. - SO WHAT THAT MEANSS THAT WE - HAVE ONE I.C.U. THAT'S - COMPLETELY FULL OF PATIENTS THAT - HAVE COVID-19, ONE ACUTE CARE - UNIT THAT'S COMPLETELY FULL OF - PATIENTS THAT ARE-- ARE BEING - CARED FOR WITH COVID-19, AND - EVERY SINGLE DAY, WE'RE HAVING - TWO TO THREE NEW CASES A DAYG - BEMITTED. - >> Yang: LEE SAYS MORE STUDY IS - NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S - BEHIND THE CURRENT SURGE, BUT - SAYS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IS - THE STATE OF HEALTH CARE IN - RURAL ALABAMA. - >> IF YOU WERE IN A-- IN A - SMALLER AREA, YOU MAY HAVE TO - DRIVE A LONG DISTANCE IN ORDER - TO EVEN GET A TEST. - AND THAT TEST - BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SHIPPED - SOWHERE ELSE IN ORDER TO GET A - RESULT. - YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT - INFECTION COULD POTENTIALLY - SPREAD FROM ONE PERSON, O THE - NE IT-- THERE'S A DELAY - HE GETTING A DIAGNOSIS. - >> Yang: ANDURRENT STATE - GUIDELINES, SHE SAYS, ARE TOO - LAX.S - >> I THINK WHACKING WITH - SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS, - YOU KNOW, WE ARE OPEERMS

- OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN - BE AROUND ONE ANOTHER. - RMD THEN ALSO, THERE'S NO REAL - RESTRICTIONS IN OF MASK- - WEARING INSIDE RETAIL - BUSINESSES.IN - AND I WITHOUT THOSE KIND - OF GUARDRAILS UP, IT IS - POTENTIALLY THE POIBILITY THAT - YOU CAN SEE THIS DISEASE SPREAD - FROM PERSON TO PERSON.AL - >> Yang: IAMA, MASKS ARE - MANDATORY FOR WORKERS AT PLACES - LIKE HAIR SALONS. - AT ENVY HAIR DESIGNS IN - MONTGOMERY, IT'S REQUIRED FOR - CUSTOMERS, TOO. - TASHA CURRY IS THE OWNER. - >> YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS TO - WEAR A MASK, AND THEN WE'RE - MAKING EVERYBODY SANITIZE ASSO - AS THEY WALK IN THE DOOR. - I'M RIGHT UP ON THEM WHEN I'M - CUTTING THEIR HAIR AND I'M DOING - THE HAIR. I - UST MAKE SURE I KEEP MY - MASK ON, AND MAKE SURE THEY - KEEP-- THEY MUST MAKE SURE THEYS - KEEP THEIRON. - >> Yang: ON THE STREETS OF - MONTGOMERY, MAYOR REED WANTS TO - REQUIRE MASKS IN PUBLIC, BUT - SAYS A MAJORITY OF THE CITY - COUNCIL OPPOSES IT. - >> WE HAVE TO DOT BECAUSE OF - THE SURGE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN - CASES IN MONTGOMERY. - IMPACTING, DISPROPORTIONATELY, - BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, IN A

- REGION THAT HAS A GH NUMBER OFUN - PEOPLE WITRLYING HEALTH - ISSUES AND OTHER ILLNESSES THAT - MAKE THERE SUSCEPTIBLE TO - SUFFERING MOREERIOUSLY FROM - COVID-19 VIRUS. - >> Yang: AS LEADERS AND HEALTH - CARE WORKERS CFRONT THIS - CURRENT RISE IN CASES, THEY - WORRY ABOUT WHAT COULD STILL BE - AHEAD. - >> IF WE SAW ANOTHER SURLY, WE - WOULD REAVE TO WORK ON - THINKING THROUGH ALTERNATIVE - METHODS TO PROTECT OUR HEA.H - CARE WORKE - THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT. - >> Yang: AND BUSINESS OWNERS - DSHA CURRY AND ERIC RIVERA - WORRY, TOO-- FORFERENT - REASON... - >> OH, MY GOSH. - I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT - HAVING TO SHUT NOW FORER - TWO OR THREE MONTHS. - WE'RE GOING TO PRAY AND KEEP OUR - FINGERS CROSSED AND EVERYTHING - WILL BE OKAY - AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL MAKE IT - THROUGH AGAIN. - >> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU - THINK ABOUT EVERY DAY, IS, ARE - THEY GOING TO CLOSE US BACK DOWN - IF THE CASES GET TOO HIGH? - >> Yang: ...AS EXPERTS SAY - PEOPLE IN ALABAMA, AND ACROSS - THE NATION, WILL LIKELY HAVE TO

- FACE LIFE WITHOUT A CORONAVIRUS - VACCINE FOR SOME TIME TO COME. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - JOHN YANG.f: - >> WoodrLABAMA IS HARDLY - THE ONLY STATE THAT HAS SEEN A - SPIKE IN CASES RECENTLY.RE - HAN 20 STATES ALSO HAVE - HAD A JUMP IN THE PAST COUPLE OF - WEEKS, MANY IN THE SOUTH AND - THE WEST. - SIGNIFICANTLY IN AT LEAST EIGHT - STATES. - LET'S LOOK AT THIS AND QUESTIONO - ABOUTO GET THE RIGHT - BALANCE WHILE DEALING WITH HUGE - ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. - DR. ASHISH JHA IS DIRECTOR OF - HARVARD UNIVERSITY'S GLOBAL - HEALTH INSTITUTE, AND JOINS USAM - FROMIDGE. - DR. JHA, WELCOME BACK TO THE - "NewsHour". - AS YOU LOOK AT THIS IKE IN - CASES IN SOME PLACES AROUND THE - COUNTRY, WHAT DOES THIS TELL - YOU? - >> YEAH, SO THANKS FOR HAVING ME - BACK, JUDY. - I AM WORRIED. - I LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I SEE - ABOUT 20 STATES, AS YOU SA - WHERE CASES ARE RISING, AND IT - PROBABLY REFLECTS WHAT HAPPENED - OUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO,

- AS OUR COUNTRY STARTED OPENING - UPUN AROMEMORIAL DAY, SOME - STATES EVEN BEFORE THEN. - WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS CASES - RISING, AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION - IN FRONT OF ME IS WHAT'S GOING - TO SLOW THAT DOWN, BECAUSE I - THINK THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR - SHUTTING THOSE STATES BACK DOWN - AGAIN. - THE OTHER TOOL THAT HELPS, - TESTING, TRACING AND ISOLATION, - WE DON'T HAVE THAT BUILT UP THE - WAY WE NEIT, AND, SO, I'M - REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE - NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS ARE - OKING TO LOIKE. - >> Woodruff: SO I HEARD YOU - SAY IT PROBABLY IS CONNECTED TO - REOPENINEL - IS IT DEFINCONNECTED? - I MEAN, IS THERE PROOF OF A - CONNECTION? - L, YOU KNOW, PROOF IS - HARD, AND WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH - VARIATION ACROSS STATES. - I MEAN, SOME STATES, FO - INSTANCE GEORGIA, I WAS VERY - WORRIED WHEN IT OPENED UP AND - THOUGHT IT WAS OPENG UP TOO - EARLY, WE HAVE NOT SEEN A SPIKE - THERE. - SO PART OF IT ALIS LOC - CIRCUMSTANCEPART OF IT IS THAT - OPENING UP MEANS DIFFERENT - THINGS IN DIFFERENT STATES, BUT - ALL THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT, - JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, I - DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THAT. Y

- >> Woodruff: A MENTIONED - TESTING BECAUSE YOU DO HEAR THE - ARGUMENT FROM SOME QUARTERS THAT - NOW THERE'S MORE TESTING - AVAILABLE. - THIS MAY ACCOUNT FOR THE HIGHER - NUMBER OF INFECTIONS THAARE - RECORDED. - >> SO I THINK TESTING IS A SMALL - PART OF THE INCREASE. - I DON'T THINK IT'S THE WHOLE - STORY. - I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, WHILEG - TEST BETTER THAN WHAT IT - WAS, IT'S STILL FAR FROM WHERE - IT NEEDS TO BE, AND, OBVIOUSLY - TESTING IS NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN - THE INCREASES IN - ESPITALIZATIONS THAT WE - SEEING, THOSE ARE REALLY JUST - FROM THE INFECTIONS AND PEOPLE - GETTING SICK FROM THE - INFECTIO S. - >> WoodrufWE HEAR WHAT - YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT YOU'RE - WOIED AND YOU DON'T SEEOI WHAT - IS TO SLOW THIS DOWN GOING - FORWARD. - AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE THISE - PASSIONATE AR ON THE PART - OF PEOPLE LIKE GOVERNOR IVEY OF - ALABAMA WHO SAID LIVELIHOODS - MATTER, TOO, WE HAVE TGET - PEOPLE BACK TO WORK, BACK - EARNING INCOME. - HOW DO YOU STRIKE THE RIGHT - BALANCE? - >> YEAH, SO I AM VERY

- SYMPATHETIC TO THAT ARGUMENT - THAT LIVELIHOODS MATT - COURSE THEY DO. - WE KNOW THERE'S A HUGE HEALTH - AND PSYCHOLOGICAL COST OF THE - ECONOMIC SHUTDOWN. - THE POINT HERE IS, AS CASES GO - UP AND RAGE ACROSS ALABAMA AND - OTHER STATES, I THINK - GOING TO HAVE A DIRECT NEGATIVE - ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THAT STATEIT - I THIN GOING TO BE HARD - FOR THE ECONOMY TO FULLY OPEN - UP. - WHAT I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED FOR IS - WE NEEDED TO BRING THE VIRUS - LEVELS DOWN, WE NEEDED TO BRING - IN A TESTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND - THEN OPEN UP MORE SAFY SO WE - COULD HAVE AN ECONOMY AND SAVE - GIVES. - WE'RE SORT OF MA TO DO - NEITHER. - >> Reporter: AND, SO, DO YOU - E A WAY TO SIGNAL TO THE - LEADERS IN THESE STATES WHO SEEM - TO HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS THAT - THEY'RE GOING FORWARD TO PUT THE - BRAKES ON THIS, TO SOME EXTENT? - >> YEAH, SO WHAT I HAVE BEEN - SAYING TO STATES IS IF YU'RE - STARTING TO SEE THESE KINDS OF - INCREASES, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN - SOME AMOUNT OSOCIAL - DISTANCING. - I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY NOT WANT TO - DO A FULOWL LOC BUT YOU'VE

- GOT TO THINK ABWHAT YOU CAN ROLL - BACK, YOU'VE GOT TO RAMP UP - TESTING AND TRACING, YOU'VE GOT - TO GO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO SLOS - DOWN THEAD OF THIS VIRUS - BECAUSE ONCE IT GETS OUT OF - CONTROL, YOU WILL HAVE VERY FEW - CHOICES AND FORCED TO SHUT DOWN - AND THAT WOULD NOT BE A GREAT - OUTCOME FOR ANYBODY. - >> Woodruff: DR. JHA, I WANT - TO ALSO ASK ABOUT ASYMPTOMATIC - TRANSMISSION OF CVID. - WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION PUT - OUT A STATEMENT A DAY OR SO AGO - SAYING THERE WAS LESS EVIDENCE - OF TRANSMISSION OF INFECTION BY - PEOPLE WITHOUT SYMPTOMS BUT THEN - TURNED AROUND AND CORRECTED - THAT. - TELL US THE ACCURATE -- WHAT IS - ACCURATELY UNDERSTOOD TO BE THE - CASE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAE - SYMPTOMS BUT WHO DO HAVE COVID. - >> YEAH, BASED ON ALL THE - EVIDENCE WE HAE RIGHT NOW, - THERE IS NO DUBT IN MY MIND - THAT PEOPLE WITHOUT SYMPTOMS DOS - TRANSMIT THESE, THEY CAN - AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY A PRETTY - MAJOR SOURCE OF INFECTION. - SO I THINK THAT WAS A - MISSTATEMENT BY W.H.O. - IT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE.

- THEY HAVE WALKED IT BACK. - ASYMPTOMATIC SPREAD IS A REAL - PART OF WHAT MAKES CONTROLLINGI - THISASE SO HARD. - >> Woodruff: AND FINALLY, - DR. JHA, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT - THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS - RAISED IN A NUMBER OF QUARTERS. - YOUR INSTITUTE, OTHER PLACES - FORECAST A MUCH HIGHER NEFOER - BEDS THAN HAS TURNED OUT TO BE - THE CASE IN A NUMBER OF STATES - AND A HIGHER INFECTION RATE - WE'VE HEARD PREDICTED.GR - WAS THERE TOIM A SCENARIO - THAT WAS FORECAST, DO YOU INK, - BY MANY IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH - COMMUNITY? - >> YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID WAS WE - LOOKED AT THE BEST DATA WE HAD - AT THAT TIME FROM CHINA AND - ITALY, AND WE AW THEREAD IN - THE U.S., AND I THINK EVERYBODY - LAID OUT WHAT WERE POTENTIAL - SCENARIOS. - IT'S ONE OF THOSE STUATIONS - WHERE THEN I THINK WE ACTED VERY - CEAGGRESSIVELY. - AINLY IN MARCH AND APRIL, - MUCH OF THE COUNTRY WAS SHUT - DOWN, AND WE WERE ABLE TO - RTAIL THIS. - SO I DON'T KNOW -- I PERSONALLY

- DON'T THINK WE OVERRCTED, I - STILL FEEL LIKE WE DID THE RIGHT - THING IN SHUTTING DOWN THE - COUNTRY. - E NEWEST EVIDENCE IS IF WE - HADN'T DONE THAT, WE WOUMI HAVE - HAD 60ION MORE INFECTIONS, - PROBABLY HALF A MILLION MORE - DEATHS, SO WE PREVENTED THAT. - DID THE POLICY, WAS IT PERFECTLY - TUNED TO EVERY SINGLE REGION OF - THE COUNTRY? - PROBABLY WASN'T, BUT I THINK, - OVERALL, THERESPONSE, SO FAR, - ON THAT FRONT HAS BEEN RIGHT. - WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE TH OTHER - STUFF WE NEED LIKE THE TESTING - AND TRACING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT - WOULD ALLOW USO OPUP SAFELY - AGAIN. - WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, - JUDY, THAT CONTINUES TO BE, I - THINK, AN ACHILLES HEEL OF THIS - RESPONSE IN THE COUNTRY. - >> Woodruff: DR. ASHISH JHA - JOINING US ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU - VERY MUCH. - WE APPRECIATE IT. - >> MY PLEASURE, THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: NOW, TO SYRIA, AND - THE BRUTAL WAR IN ITS 10th YEAR.

- AMID DEPRAVITY AND RENED - BOMBING BY THE AIR CORPS OF - BASHAR AL-ASSAD AND HIS RUSSIAN - BACKERS, A NEW WORRY-- - CORONAVIRUS.SC - AS NICFRIN REPORTS, PEOPLE - WHO HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH, NOW - ARE PREPARING FOR AN UNSEEN FOE> - chifrin: IN A SMALL OFFICE - PREPARE FOR ANOTHER WAR, AGAINST - THE CORONAVIRUS. - FOR WEEKS, THEY HAVE FEARED A - GHTMARE-- AN OUTBREAK WITHIN A - WAR ZONE-- SO THEY'RE MAKING - HOMEMADE COVID-19 TESTS. - >> ( translated ): THERE IS ONLY - ONE TESTING MACHINE IN ALL OF - IDLIB PROVINCE, FOR FO MILLION - PEOPLE. - IT'S NOT ENOUGH. - SO WE DECIDED TO STARTINESIGNING - A MATHAT WOULD ALLOW FOR - TESTING MULTIPLE SAMPLES FOR - CORONAVIRUIN A SHORT PERIOD OF - TIME. - >> Schifrin: TO GET TO THEIRHA - WORKSHOP, AYOUK WALKS - THROUGH A HOMEMADE DISINFECTING - MACHE. - THEY'RE ALSO MAKING VENTILATORS, - OUT OF WOODEN BOARDS AND PLASTIC - TUBING. - THEY HOPE TO MAKE HUNDREDS FOR

- LOCAL HOSPITS. - >> ( translated ): WE DECIDED TO - CREATE A VENTILATOR AITH WHAT - WAS BLE. - THERE IS A BIG SHORTAGE OF - VENTILATORS IN HOSPITALS HE. - >> Schifrin: IN A NEARBY TEXTILE - FACTORY, WORKERS MAKE MASKS THAU - WILL COST $4 A BOX-- A - DISCOUNT COMPARED TO THE $12 SET - IMPORTED FROM CHINA. - >> ( translated ): THERE'S BEEN - A HUGE IREASE IN THE DEMAND - FOR MASKS HERE BECAUSE OF THE - VIRUS THREAT. - WE IMPORTED ALL OF THE RAWRO - MATERIALTURKEY, AND WE'RE - STITCHING EVERYTHING HERE BY - HAND. - >> Schifrin: AFTER TEN YEARS OF - WAR, SYRIA IS ILL-PREPARED FOR - ANOTHER CATASTROPHE. - SYRIA'S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM HAS - BEEN DESTROYED. - THE U.N. SAYS RUSSIA AND THEGI - HAVE TARGETED MORE THAN - 80 MEDICAL FACILITIES, JUST - SINCE DECEMBER. - HALF OF ALL HOSPITALARE OUT OF - AND THAT WAS BEFORE COVID. - >> Schifrin: LAST YEAR, THE - SYAN REGIME AND RUSSIAN

- MILITARY LAUNCHED TMAJOR - CAMPAIO RECAPTURE IDLIB. - IN JANUA, THEY DECLARED A - CEASE-FIRE, AND THE BOMBING - SLOWED. - BUT THIS WEE SYRIAN AND - RUSSIAN PLANES LAUNCHED AIR - STRIKES, DESIGNED TO RETAKE THE - OPPOSITION'S FINAL STRONGHEND. - IDLIB HAS HE LAST POINT OF - REFUGE FOR MILLIONS OF SYRIANS - INTERNALLY DISPLACED. - AND IN CRAMPED CAMPSSOCIAL - DISTANCING IS IMPOSSIBLE. - AND THE PANDEMIC HAS PUT BASIC - NEEDS EVEN MORE OUT OF REACH. - FOOD PRICES ARE SPIRALING. - NEARLY TEN MILLION PEOPLE ARE - NOW FOOD-INSECURE. - RESIDENTS STRUGGLE TO FIND - ENOUGH WATER. - SHORTAGES MAKE HAND-WASHING A - LUXURY. - AS FOR POWER-- IN SOME PLACES, - GENERATORS ARE THE ONLY SOURCE. - AND THESE SYRIANS, WHO HAVE LOST - THEIR HOMES AND ALL THEIR - RIGHTS, CONNECT TO A CAUSE, - SPARKED 6,000 MILES AWAY. - ARTIST AZIZ ALSMAR SAYS HIS - CANVASES GO WHERE LIVES HAVE - BEEN EXTINGUISHED. - HE CREATED A GEORGE FLOYD - MEMORIAL ON ALL THAT'S LEFT OF A - BLOWN-OUT BUILDING. - >> ( translated ): THERE USED TO - FAMILIES LIVING HERE WITHIES,

- CHILDREN. - THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD - KES US THINK OF THE KILLING OF - YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THRIAN - REGIME'S CHEMICAL GAS. - WE ARE WITH BLACK AMERICANS AND - FEEL THEIR PAIN. - FOR SO MANY IN SYRIA, A GESTURE - OF HUMANITY FROM THOSE WHO'VE - EXPERIEND INHUMANITY HAS NOW - BEEN DEFACED. - 300 MILES AWAY IN KURDISH- - CONTROED NORTHEAST SYRIA, MORE - THAN 100,000 PEOPLE LIVE IN THE - AL HOL CAMP. - HEALTHCARE WORKERS DO THEIR BEST - TOANITIZE THIS MEDICAL TEN - AND TEACH PROPER HAND-WASHING. - THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TESNG TO - KNOW WHETHER COVID CASES ARE - LOW. - BUT, HERE IN THE NORTHEAST, AT - LEAST THE RDISH RED CRESCENT - CAN CREATE A MEDICAL FACILITY - WITHOUT FEAR OF ATTACK. - FOR NOW, SYRIAN CIVILIANS ARE - DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO PREVE - ANOTHER NIGHTMARE. - FATIMA IS EIGHT. - >> ( translated ): WASH YOUR - HANDS THOROUGHLY WITH SOAP AND - WATER, AND WHEN YOU SNEEZE OR - COUGH, YOU DO THIS. - >> Schifrin: FATIMA IS YOUNGER

- THAN THE WAR, BUT NOW S TO - PREPARE FOR ANOTHER BATTLE. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - NICK SCHIFRIN. - >> Woodruff: NEARLY ONE IN FOUR - DISABILITY.IVE WITH A - AND FOR SOME, THAT MEANS HAVING - A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING - THE CORONAVIRUS.VO - TES ARE NOW SOUNDING THE - ALARM THAT CONGRESS NEEDS TO DO - RE TO HELP SOCIETY'S MOS - VULNERABLE. - I SPOKE ABOUT THIS WITH FORMER - PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR AND FORMER - HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY - TOM RIDGE, NOW THE CHAIRMAN OF - THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION ON - DISABILITY; AND DANNY WOODBURN, - AN ACTOR AND AISABILITY RIGHTS - TIVIST. - WE BEGAN OUR CONVERSATION BY - DISCUSSING HOW THOSE WITH - DISABILITIES ARE AFFECTED IN - THIS PANDEMIC. - >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THERE'S - A FEAR AROUND GOING AUND.

- OBVIOUSLY THIS COMMUNITY IS MORE - AT RISK BUT ALSO THERE'S THE - NOTION THAT DECISIONS MIGHT BE - BEING MADE WITH REGARD TO - LIFE AND WHETHER OR NOT ATY OF - PERSON'S QUALITY OF LIFE IS - WORTH SAVING. - SO AND WE TALK ABOUT ADVOCACY, - FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING AN ADVOCATE - IN THE ROOM FOR PEOPLE WITH - DISABILITIESESPECIALLY WITH - SOMEONE LIKE DOWN SYNDROME WHO - HATO GO IND CND HAVE A - FAMILY MEMBER OR A PERSON WHO - HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM OVER - THE YEARS TO HELP THEM MAKE - CARE, SO THIS PUTS THEM MORE AT - RISK, AND THERE'S POLICY BEING - LOOKED AT NOW THAT IS A BIT - SCARY TO PEOPLE WITH - DISABILITIES THAT THAT - DETERMINATIONS ARE BEING MADE,GE - LIKE WHOS A VENTILATOR BASEDYO - ONKNOW, PHYSICAL AND - COGNITIVE ABILITY. - HOW THE VIRUS MIGHT BE AFECTING - THEM AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET

- TO KEEP A VENTILATOR. - >> Woodruff: GOERNOR TOM - RIDGE, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN - INVOLVED WITH THE DISABILITY - COMMUNITY FOR A LO TIME, ARE - THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN - DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, OR IS - THIS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST NOW - FOR THE FIRST TIME BEING THOUGHT - ABOUT SERIOUSLY? - >> ONE TO HAVE THEHALLENGE - THAT DANNY AND I AND THE BROADER - DISABILITY COMMUNITYTI - ORGANIS ARE DEALING WITH - IS THAT WE'VE MADE MODEST - CHANGES AND VERY IMPORTANT AN - POSITIVE CHANGES SINCE THE - PASSAGE OF THE AMERICANS WITH - DISABILITIES 30 YEARS AGO. - THIS IS THE 30th ANNIVERSARY - YE OF A.D.A. - BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED DURING THE - COD CRIES, DURINIS - PANDEMIC, IS THAT WE'RE SEEING - THAT, FOR THE FIRST TIMIN 30 - YEARS, WE DON'T HAVE A SEAT AT - THE TAE. - THERE HAVE BEESEVERAL RESCUE - PACKAGES COMING FROM - WASHINGTON, D.C. AND - APPROPRIATELY ARE TRYING TO - REACH OUT TO THOSE MOST AFFECTED - BY IT AND TRYING TO REACH OUT IN - ECONOMIC TERMS AND TRYING TO - HELP PEOPLE THROUGH THIS VERY - DIFFICULT PERIOD.

- WE'VE HAD 15 OR 16 DISILITY - ORGANIZATIONS WRITE TO CONGRESS, - WRITE TO THE LEADERSHIP ANDW, - SAYING, YOU KNE NEEMORE - SUPPORT FOR HOME AND - COMMUNITY-BASED HEALTH CAR D - NOT WANT TO BE - DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AS A - POPULATION AND PEOPLE WITH - DISABILITIES HAVE LOST A CH - HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THEIR JOBS. - WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ADVANTAGE OR - FOCUS PUT ON US BY THE PUBLIC - WHPOLICY-MAKERS. - YOU TALK ABOUT - VULNERABILITY, YOU TALK ABOUT - POVERTY, YOU TALK ABOUT - MINOTIES, BUT THE DISILITY - COMMUNITY IS NEVER MENTIONED, - AND WE THINK IT'S TIME TO FOCUS - ON THAT BECAUSE WE DON'TTOANT - ROLL BACK THE GAINS WE'VE MADE - OVER THE PAST 30 YEA AS A - RESULT OF THE COVID CRISIS. - >> Woodruff: DANNY WOODBURN, - AS WE LISTOEN TO THE TWO F YOU, - IS IT TRULY THE CASE OF THE - DISABILITY COMMUNITY IS JUST NOT - HEARD AT A TIME LIKE THIS? - >> WELL, I THINK, WITHIN OUR - COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE ISSUES - THAT WE TRY TO -- WE STRUGGLE - WITH IS COMING TOGETHER WITH A - UNIFIED MESSAGE.

- YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY VAST - TYPES OF DISABILITIES, SO MANY - ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT POLICE ARE - RELEASING EIR OWN AGENDA WITH - REGARD TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE - LOOKED AT. - SO IT WOULD GREAT IF OUR - COMMUNITY COULD GET TOGETHER - INTO A UNIFIED MESSAGE AND HAVE - THESE DIFFERENT, YOU O - BRANCHES OF OUR COMMUNITY SPEAK - TO EACH OTHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS - YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING - TAS A LOT OF ORGANIZATION. - >> Woodruff: GOVERNOR RIDGE, - REST PICK UP ON THAT THAT THE - COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN UNIFIED - IN MAKING SOME OF THESE - ARGUMENTS AND COMING FORWARD IN - THE PAST. - IS THAT TRULY AN OBSTACLE HERE? - >> YOU RAISE A VERY IMPORTANT - ASPECT AND CONDITION OF THE T - COMMUNITY DISABLED. - ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THE - NATIONAL ORGANIZATION ON - DISABILITY, WHICH IS BASICALLY - GNOSTIC WITH REGARD TO THE - DISABILITY -- COULD BE AUTISM, - COULD BE BLINDNESS, COULD BE - DOWN SYNDROME, I MEAN THERE'S A - RANGE OF DISABILITIES -- WE - SICALLY SAY APART OF OUR

- ADVOCACY PLATFORM, WE'RE FOR ALL - OF YOU, AND WE WANT - THE BROAD - EMPLOYMENT COMMUNITY TO - UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WITH - TISABILITIES ARE OFTEN THE LAS - HIRED AND THE FIRST TO LET GO. - SO WE'RE TRYING TO SPEAK WITH - ONE VOICE, AND THE FIRST THING - WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THEK - POLICYS REACH OUT TO THE - ORGANIZATIONS AND SAY WHAT ARE - THE BASIC COMPONENTS OF - AGREEMENT, IN SPITE HE - DISABILITY ADVOCACY GROUPS, - THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS ACROSS - THE BOARD E ALL AGRE UPON, AND - THAT IS THE NEED FOR CARE, E - AND COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICES, - AND MORE EMPLOYMENT OPTIONS. - BUT I TH, IF NOTHING ELSE, - THE PANDEMIC HAS DEMONSTRATED - THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES - CAN ADD VALUE TO YOUR - ORGANIZATION IF YOU GIVE THEM - THE OPPORTUNITY TO WT HOME. - THEY HAVE A QUALITY OF LIFE. - THEY WANT TO WORK, THEY WANT TOE - LIVE LIKE RYBODY ELSE, AND - THEIR NOTION OF SELF-WORTH IS - BASED ON WHAT THEY CAN DOOR - THEMSELVES, SO, HOPEFULLY, WHEN - WE GET THROUGH THIS, PEOPLE WILA

- UNDE AND ORGANIZATIONS - WILL UNDERSTAND HIRING PEOPLE - WITH DISABILITIES SHOULD BE A - >> Woodruff: AND JUST FINALLY - TO BOTH OF YOU, A MESSAGE TOE - TH THE DISABILITY - COMMUNITY WHO ARE WATCHING THIS, - LISTENING TO THIS IN TERMS OF - WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE HOPE FOR - THE FUTURE. - DANNY WOODBURN. - >> WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF - PEOPLE, A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THIS - DISABILITY.RLD WHEN IT COMES - I KNOW A NUMBER OF JOURNALISTS - THAT WRITE AND EXPOUND ON THE - TREATMENT OF PEOPLE WITH - DISABILITIES, AND JUST IN MY - INDUSTRY ALONE WATCHING THE - CHANGEVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, - THE CHNGE IN EMPLOYMTOT WITH - REGARD PEOPLE WITH - DISABILITIES THAT I VE BEEN - VERY MUCH A PART OF IN TERMS OF - HELPING TO MAKE THCOSNGES, - SEEING THAT IS IMPORTANT AND - REMEMBERING THAT THATT PAH - UPWARD EXISTED FOR THE LAST - SEVERAL YEARS, WE WANT TO MAKE - SURE THAT WE EACH CONTINUE TO - HAVE A VOICE TO THAT PATH EVEN - DONE WITH -- IS OVER AND DONED

- WITH, THAT WE CONTINUE ON THAT T - UPSWING, AN TO KEEP - TALKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE - ABOUT THESE ISSUES. - >> Woodruff: GOVERNOR RIDGE, A - MESSAGE OF HOPE? - >> THERE CERTAINLY SHOULD BE A - MESSAGE OF HOPE. - IRONICALLY, AMERICANS WITHOUT - DISABILIES HAVE BEEN LIVING, - IN MANY CASES, IN ISOLATION - WITHOUT A GREAT DEAL OF CONTACTT - WI REST OF THE WORLD. - FOR THE LARGE NUMBER OF MEN, - MEN AND CHILDREN WITH - DISABILITIES, THAT'S HOW THEY - LIVE. - TED THE QUALITY OF - THEIR LIFE. - THEY HAVE THE SAME ASPIRATIO - AS THOSE WITHOUT DISABILITIES. - SO ONE OF THE IRONIES OF THIS - ISOLATION, IS I'D LIKE TO THINK - THERE IS GREATER EMPATHY AND - UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PEOPLE WITH - DISABILITIES LIVE ANDK AND - DEAL WITH THEIR PERSONAL AND - FAMILY SITUATIONS AND, HOPEFULLY - DURING THIS CRISIS, THERE'S A - GREATER APPRECIATION IN THE - BROADER COMMUNITY OF HOW

- VALUABLE THEY ARE AND HOW - IMPORTANTHEY ARE TO BE - INTEGRATED AND TO BECOME MUCH - MORE A PART OF OUR BROER - COMMUNITY. - >> Woodruff: SUCH AN IMPORTANT - SET OF ISSUES. - I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH, - GOVERNOR TOM RIDGE, DANNY - WOODBURN, WE APPRECIATE IT. - >> WE APPRECIATE YOU. - THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: AND FINALLY - TOGHT, IN THE MIDST OF THESE - TURBULENT TIMES, AND AS MORE - PEOPLE START TO VENTURE OUT, - GARDENING IS PROVIDING A BIT OF - SANITY AND FRESH AIR.Y - JEFFOWN TALKED RECENTLY - WITH A MAN KNOWN FOR THE GARDENS - HE'S CREATED AROUND THE WORL - CLUDING AT NEW YORK'S - HUGELY POPULAR AND INFLUENTIAL - HIGH LINE PARK.E - THORY IS PART OF OUR ONGOING - ARTS AND CULTURE SERIES, - "CANVAS." - >> IRIS IBERICA. - >> Brown: FOR EVER WHO'SARDEN...

- BEEN LOCKED DOWN, SPENDING TOO - MUCH TIME INDOORS: A VISIT.O - THE GARDEN - >> ABSONIA TABERNAY MONTANA, - PHORIUM, NATORUM. - HELLO,UFFY. - >> Brown: D NOT JUST ANY - GARDEN, BUT THE PERSONAL - CREATION OF PI OUDOLF, ONE OF - THE WORLD'S MOST RENOWNED - LANDSCAPE DESIGNERS. - >> THEY ARE NOT AFRAID. - >> Brown: ALSO, THISEING - SPRINGTIME, THE BIRDS D BEES - ARE BUSY. - I'M OUTSIDE, YOU'RE OUTSIDE, BUT - WE'RE NOT TOGETHER THIS TIME. - TOO BAD. - >> YEAH, IT IS-- THERE'S SO MUCH - HAPPING AT THE MOMENT, SO MA - THINGS COMING TO FLOWER. - >> Brown: OKAY, I RECOGNIZE - THIS. - GREAT. - THIS WAS ACTUALLY A VIRTUAL - REVISIT: - >> YOU RECOGNIZE THE TL - WHERWE WERE IN? - >> Brown: LAST YEAR, WE HAD AN - OLD-FASHIONED PERSONAL TOUR OF - THE FARM, IN THE RURAL TOWN OF - HUMMELO, IN THE EASTERN PART OF - THE NETHERLANDS NEAR THE GERMAN - BORDER. - IT WAS WINTER THEN, BUT FOR - OUDOLF, THE GARDEN IS EVER - ALIVE, A PLACE OF EMOTION-- JUST - CHANGING SHAPE, TEXTURE, COLOR-- - DIFFERENT BUT WONDROUS IN EVERY

- SEASON, AS HE TOLD ME NOW FROM - THE STUDIO WHERE HE DRAWS HIS - DESIGNS.NG - >> TALBOUT SEASO, THE - MOMENT YOU UNDERSTAND GARDENING - AND YOU ARE A GARDENER, THENDA - EVERIS SPECIAL. - EVERY DAY IS AN EXPERIENCE,E' - BECAUSE THALWAYS SOMETHING - NLU WILL LIKE AND WILL FIND-- - BECAUSE IT'S NOTABOUT THE - PLANTS, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE - LIGHT AND THE MOVEMEE . - >> Brown: RLD HAS LOOKED - STRANGE THESE PAST MONTHS. - FAMILIAR PLACES NO LONGEL. - FAMILIAR AT - LAST YEAR, WE'D VISITED - AMSTERDAS WORLD-FAMOUS - RIJKSMUSEUM, NORMALLY A BUSY - CROSSROADS. - NOW? - A FEW BIKES, FORCED TO KEEP - THEIR DISTANCE. - ONE OF THE PARK-LIKE SCES PIET - OUDOLF DESIGNED, CHICAGO'S LURIE - GARDEN, REMAINS CLOSED. - THE PLANTS STILL NEED TENDING, - THE SPRING BULBS PREPARED FOR - NEXT YEAR'S BLOOM. - MANY PEOPLE HAVE TURNED TO THEIR - OWN OR COMMUNITY GARDENS DURING - THIS PERIOD, GROWING VEGETABLES

- AND FLOWERS, NOURISHING BODY AND - SOUL. - GARDENING CENTERS HAVE BEEN - AMONG THE FIRST ESSENTIAL - BUSINESSES TO RE-OPEN. - LES OF SEEDS HAVE SOARED - PIET OUDOLF ISN'T SURPRISED. - >> ONCE YOU TOUCH THE PLTS AND - JUST START TO WORK WITH THEM, - THERE'S A BIG CHANCE THAT YOU - GET LOST IN THE WORLD OF PLANTS, - AND YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE MOREG - OF GARDE - YOU CAN THINK WHILE YOU'RE - YOU CAN THINK ABOUT LIFE AND HOW - TO FOLLOW UP AFTER THIS CRISIS.> - rown: SINCE WE SPOKE TO - OUDOLF, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED - YET AGAIN, WITH MASS - DEMONSTRATIONS IN THE WAKE OF - THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD - BRINGING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE - INTO THE STREETS. N - BUT IT'S STI CLEAR WHAT - HAVE ON THE DESIGNSE OFEMIC WILL - URBAN SPACES, AND ON THE - PUBLIC'S WILLINGNESS TOXBE IN - CLOSE ITY. - >> YOU SEE SO MANY PEOPLE, AND - IF Y LOOK AT HOW MUCH DISTAN - THEY SHOULD HAVE. - SO WE STILL DON'T KNOW WT TO - DO.

- BUT AT LEAST PEOPLE WANT TO GO - TO PLACES ERE I NORMALLY WOULD - GO TO, TO GARDENS AND TO PARKS. - I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL REALIZE - THAT WE, AS HUMAN BEINGS, NEED - THAT, TO FEEL GOOD. - >> Brown: OUDOLF CAN'T TRAVEL - NOW, BUT HE'S STILL WORKING ON - DESIGNS FOR GARDENS AROUND THE - WORLD. - I ASKED WHAT ADVICE HE HAS FOR - AMATEUR GARDENERS. - >> IT'S PLEASURE AND - ENTERTAINMENT AT THE SAME TIME. - THE GARDEN IS A SORT OF - PERFORMANCE. - IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT ALSO - BEAUTIFUL TO DO IT IN YOUR OWN - WAY. - >> Brown: "PERFORMANCE." - THAT'S AN INTERESTING WAY OFKI - TH ABOUT IT, HUH? - >> I THINK IT IS A PERFORMANCE. - THEY SHOW UP OR THEY GO AWAY. - THEY LEAVE THE STAGE AFTER A FEW - MONTHS. - ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THESE - PLANTS-- THE FLOWERS, ABSONIA, - IN THREE WEEKS TIME THERE'S NO - FLOWER ANYMORE, THEN THE SEEDS - COME. - SO IT'S ALSO THAT THE CHANGES OR - CHACTER OF A PLANT IS - IMPORTANT FOR HOW YOU MAKE A - GARDEN. - BUT WHAT I SAY FOR PEOPLE WHOJU - START GARDENING, ANYTHING

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