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oh well the reading these are the top news stories this evening ferdinand marcos arrived in hawaii apparently for a

long stay and us officials said he would have recommended delaying the challenger launch if he'd known that engineers opposed it president reagan warned against cuts in his defense budget the supreme court says cities may impose rent control without state approval because of these stories in our news summary coming up in after the news summary our attention those once again to the two top stories of the day first the filipino people we have interviews with hawaii governor george r yoshi and senator jesse helms a dialogue between jerry falwell and george mcgovern and i look at the economic rebuilding job that lies ahead in the philippines then the challenger investigation elizabeth record as a complete report on mass as a day in the witness chair and funding is provided by at and see whether its telephone information systems long distance services computers at and saying they

knew funding also was provided by the station and other public television stations and the corporation for public broadcasting ferdinand marcos is now in the united states he arrived in hawaii late this afternoon from guam and there are indications he may settle their marcos wife and ninety other family members and close associates traveled with them are girls reportedly owns two largest states in hawaii marcus was held down the ladder on the air force c one forty one transport plane that brought him and his party to hawaii when he left the philippines he was carried on a stretcher to board the plane that took in the wall but he walked the board for the last leg of his journey marcos' been reported to be suffering from a debilitating disease called loopers and a kidney ailment was it got its feet on the ground or space the steps were far as we walk to a greeting by governor george barrios she an old friend and this is

mariachi he received a traditional hawaiian wreath of flowers and went on to meet air force general robert mays late commander in chief of pacific air forces back in the philippines new president corazon aquino wanted her cabinet and got to work as life there began a return to normal our report from the melodies by brian baron of the bbc santa ana wind having gained presidency thought that given she or anyone expected says that kenya's started her first film beowulf is visibly fall tv appearance with premier sell below and she also appointed foreign minister such as the public goodwill presidency keely trajectory just about anything but she began by chris a reassuring americans about their bases and that it remains and in nineteen ninety one and i am keeping my options open but that is one of the president's easiest decisions big change from locals today she's immensely popular

because in a lot of female politician in the treacherous macho world of philippine ambitions have his brain the expectations sky high inflation people associated with the former government others detained just the money out there for the country visit with two million times to the police find the currency an abandoned by the driver does the caucuses mrs aquino also said she would not seek to have ferdinand marcos extradited back to the philippines to stand trial for any crimes problem tonight president reagan said our hearts and hands are with president aquino and her new government as they set out to meet the challenges ahead in every market the opening of a televised speech to the

nation warning against attempts by congress to cut his defense budget ken weinstein real clear nobody has suggested that we cut their defense lawyer questions how much we can afford to do that was from a reply that came after the president's talk from senate majority leader my own house minority leader jim wright i we will have the president's excerpt of the president's speech now in dollars out of national defense this is reckless dangerous and wrong is backsliding of the most irresponsible kind and you need to know about you after all paid the bill for all we've accomplished these past five years but we still have a way to go millions of americans actually believe that we are now it's a period of the soviet union and military power i'm sorry but our country's going to have a useful debate on national security we have to get beyond the drumbeat of propaganda and

get the facts on the table over the next few months you'll be hearing this today i'd like to keep in mind the two simple reasons not to cut defense now one it's not cheap to it's not safe if we listen to those who would abandon our defense program we will not only jeopardize negotiations with the soviet union remain the piece itself at risk sorry about that now we have a rich life and the democrats from house majority leader representative jim wright of texas he said the president's defense requests should be reduced because it's more important to cut the federal deficit ken weinstein real clear nobody has suggested that we cut their defense lawyer questions how much we can afford to do that i had if congress recently to rubber stamp the president's entire pentagon budget and i would be spending almost four times as much on the military were the end of

this decade as the nation spent during the height of the viet nam war enough it just simply isn't possible to do this and ruled out any new revenues and balance the budget republican leaders know that nasa officials today denied putting pressure on the builders of the rocket boosters to approve the launch of the challenger shuttle despite fears of a safety risk it as mrs de to answer charges leveled at yesterday's public hearing of the presidential commission investigating the shuttle disaster george hardy deputy director of nurses marshall space flight center the risk of being subordinated <unk> pressures oh yes and no american mind with no exception requires you are gay it was a certain amount of dedicated men and women with whom i associate with many of whom live literally put the sweat tears in the shuttle program and i won't say one of the ailments

that is that i believe is against the whites a pleasure garden or not probably regarded in the discussion of the night of the month in the greater service limited at the media professional but it also told the commission that he would have recommended delaying the challenger launch it known that engineers of morton thiokol remained imposed on grounds of the cold weather could endanger the spacecraft and crew there is another tylenol story comes from nashville tennessee where a thirty two year old man was found dead this morning early casualty add cyanide in his body and almost empty bottle of extra strength tylenol was found under his bed by police and that a rod investigators have yet to figure out what are only one official even suggested it could be a most bizarre kind of suicide late today tennessee officials banned the sale of tylenol capsules in the state and the fbi joined the investigation

the supreme court ruled today that city's may impose rent controls without waiting for state legislatures to act by an eight to one vote the court upheld the berkeley calif rent control law landlords have claimed it was a price fixing conspiracy that violated federal anti trust law justice thurgood marshall for the court said that because it was imposed by the city government the berkeley ordinance did not involve any concerted action by property owners to fix prices the court also ruled unanimously that businesses may not escape paying retirement benefits by withdrawing for multiemployer pension plans and their los angeles judge today dismissed the indictment against congresswoman bobby figure and a top aid had been charged with trying to bribe a campaign rival to stay out of the republican senate primary a judge said there was too little evidence and so for the most summery now it's on to more on the philippine story with the governor of a white senator jesse helms jerry falwell george mcgovern and businessman lewis where age and more on the explosive shuttle hearings about

nelson's decision to go ahead with the launch of challenges are first in major focus tonight is the aftermath of the change of power in the philippines as we reported former president ferdinand marcos and the large revenue or i didn't know it apparently for a long stay that prospect has provoked two reactions the governor george audio she urging the lions to make an accommodation half of the state senate supporting a resolution urging president reagan didn't i marko century in the us governor are you shia longtime friend of my first greeted him at hickam air force base today and is with us now by telephone from honolulu governor are you there doo doo doo doo well you have a very a great product of

the thing when the monkey bully and you know that you were wrong about the country a year in the hope that people will not combinable think will work itself out a long will happen are always we feel very good that he had a fever can very well and you know the philippine had not have very much left but he told me that he got it and why the fever disappeared and he came here in relatively good but expect the hope that you could get somewhere i see it as a friend of his to you know how will he actually is an inference since those we need immediate medical treatment listeners so anybody you talk about community

but when people are there in the family would have given up at bay want to do is a possibility that the probability that they have already made the debate about what they wanted to mob political me that let's listen again alternatives to hawaii i don't know because i did not the band that they would not go to the barber so what they wanted to do a lot in the end to get me that they like the war ii and away they go those new property in hawaii i do

not know if he did stay there after meeting with an airbase in we stay with friends i have no idea that this is what you send the family's going to meet and decide what other factors that will influence her decision well like i get a family wants to come together and talk about the many options that many opportunities and what they really want to go there they believe that they have a very they have not really thought much about how do you feel they feel ambivalent yourself you are a friend of is of longstanding nature also the governor of the state where some people at least don't like the idea of him coming there was that like lucy will not been stated very definitely that

being a part of the united states and partly effort that the united states might bring about eight feet away from one of the difficulties in the philippines that will work to bring them into a country and a good part of the united states i feel the big they take the position that they are willing to make the combination of the law and that the united states would not be able to lend a big commitment to do it every governor and every state that the provision that they did not want to be a felony offender they are not going to get more important than that i feel or you will at the dark mr hoy that we will look at them see half of your state senate is reported supporting this resolution two words president reagan to deny asylum in the united states is not going to create a problem in hawaii are you ready over the national government meeting of the

property of the benefit might not believe that the apathy on the they come in here and we had written about wine that was then the fact that it that but it is not an indication of the real or the accompanying people and i'm sure that all those people that you assume all of security responsibilities but for the moment the federal government indicated that it will provide protection and i do not know the band and the eurasian about protection on the maria souza into violence and listen live in the philippines and they have a new government but it's economically albums and the gap between its few rich and many poor is still immense some of america's

biggest companies have a big stake in whether the new government can begin to heal the ailing economy according to businessweek magazine american business investment in the philippines including assets of some of this country's major banks runs to more than three billion dollars american companies made two million dollars in profits there in nineteen eighty four in the us companies were growing increasingly concerned by the economic decline in the final marcos years archie moore correspondent charles krauss and producer susan knowles spotlighted the philippine economic woe as in their reporting last summer problems that contributed to marcus is downfall and now constitute his legacy to the new government she even less the law in august it was evident with growing poverty government corruption and military abuses and turn the majority of filipinos against ferdinand marcos the urban poor suffered largely in silence but student so organized union workers and professionals many of them influenced by the catholic church or by the left protested

openly against the marcos' regime by last year it was also evident that many of the philippines which is businessman the elite had concluded that marco's must go none was more outspoken than the chief executive of the band get mining corporation i meet long term now president aquino's minister of finance last year the economy had negative growth for the first time minus six percent of post war history this year in spite of the government's own in systems we're going to have another negative growth rate one our foreign creditors refuse to them it's one more penny we've had a bigger more korean war on being or four and that's inflation last year was reaching sixty five percent in fact certainly believe that the reason why we are in business is because of the manner in which he has been on the one hand has managed the economy and on the other hand i

guess i used for these powers that he's created for himself to create this present crisis that the refiners nowhere was the philippines' the spring economic and political crisis more apparent than in the know audie in neighborhoods like love a result were two or three thousand families live in desperate poverty during the marcos years there was never enough was never enough work never enough medicine for the children was in love a reset that we met sister christine todd is a lifelong friend of mrs aquino was losing someone for innovation says some sadly we have no class that are against it so you can there is so hard hard hard either the conventions there are no toilets in robberies and at times the

stench can be overpowering last year unemployment was estimated at eighty percent few men had regular jobs rebound gambling drinking and drugs have become a way of life more often than not it was leverage says women who provided for their husbands and their children they took in washington her earning about three dollars a day but according to sister christine it was nodding off it's time to change when we were in manila last year defended his economic record i mean that he and his policies would prevail over what he saw as his principal threat of communism the difference between and now the other nations and our ideology is that we emphasize human resources development of lifting of the lower class and he said no nor and the mental

image of what they know with some ways since the two alone bring about but the reality was inescapable and would be nice treat young teenagers from lotteries envoys are often forced to sell their bodies to earn money under marcos <unk> the famous sex capital teetering to foreigners wide open prostitution was just one of the many reasons why the catholic church in the philippines was so determined to end twenty years of rule by the marcos family they advertise their lies toensing of our rights and being two hours so these

titles in provinces like naval sorts of them thought the economic crisis was in some ways even though it's fundamentally a lot we found farm workers or one for the hacienda harvesting roth their families pleading with sunglass for the same food they fed to their faith world through their prices coupled with the economic mismanagement favoritism and corruption and reduced negroes to an impoverished island where many many people blamed tomatoes for their problem as one of them was fred slaughter a sugar planters who buy last year had joined the opposition i need that the problem between the reason for the cost on the sensible sleepy especially in the bible for aloha emerged from the fact that serbia for and then there are if people remember the government prevent them from

becoming rich even if they the idea behind if that period they can be she's going to fix than seven months now for latinos are celebrating the economic and political problems left behind by the old government may prove far more difficult to overcome a marvelous himself and no law that says aquino says she was determined and optimistic i'm going but i am fortunate to be the president of the people who have demonstrated a courage that tenacity the idealism and his self sacrifice to meet any goal and overcome any obstacle for us business perspective we turned to north by age who recently committed are completed a three year term as president of the american chamber of commerce in a lot mr barrett spent

seventeen years in the philippines or the asian subsidiary of the sterling from corporations a giant has denied from public station wgbh in boston is the rage how would you assess the economic crisis or problem that mrs aquino faces i think there are enormous problems to be addressed if she takes her office however i think that one the advantage she now has is she does not have to contend with a business community concern about political uncertainties yeah i suppose you also have political problems that is there are government goes into office in this time was on but at least she can as yourself of their business cooperation both the of private sector of the year for community and the ability to do you look for forty three years for this actually reuters news agency told bankers and businessmen in manila today and found them by a larger very odd domestic the business confidence is going to be restored there are what do you think about that or you yes i think the simple

fact of our political change party generates a confidence and i think the confidence will continuing result an economic recovery if she can organize a government that can work closely with the private sector i think this is the main problem last three years is the disillusionment of the private sector and are disillusioned over special privileges given to a specific people and institutions hosted an illustration how a heart stent extensive were corrupt business practices under marcos i don't think corruption itself describes the complete picture i would say if there are certain there is corruption but there's a special privileges was overwhelming describe what you mean by that businessman and i'm speaking of philippine businessman foreign businessmen philippine businessman at a very difficult time a fine those who had access to better image access to the financial institutions to lowndes

access to land grants protection of the military and other it favors their closest to the administration and there was almost no way to oppose this under the conditions that exists in the last two or three years some industries like planning a pineapple crops and sugar were reportedly in the hands of marcos' cronies around virtual monopolies was that rampant throughout the economy or was that confined to just a few industries huge not too many industries but certainly the most important in the largest industries the american chambermaid many representations to president marcos and to his cabinet officers and respect to these abuses and are you've got a very armed very pleasant hearing but nothing much happened to correctly due respect mrs aquino to be able effectively to take on these monopolies i

mean are they going to disband themselves are getting easily i was probably not an easy problem to address sell especially those very large ones the coconut and sugar which are providing that was i wanted the pineapples it coconuts evoke the answer is they're going to provide a large part of the foreign exchange and of course your what we're doing here with the world market prices us sugar as an industry you know might be considered a twilight industry there is an awful lot that has to be done got to make that interest to industry competitive yet that sixty five percent of philippine population of rural largely dependent on a sugar coconut the newer non traditional industries oh will prosper or more rapidly i think that there are serious basic problems that a simple change in ministration won't be able to cure completely among the mothers' opposition were people who were claiming continue to claim that the philippines is still a fuel economy here we just heard grouses report that their wealth isn't very few hansen sale even fewer

hands under marcos than it was in that poverty is is widespread and there's no chance of bridging the gap how do you assess the problem and the difficulties are coming why would never agree that there is no chance of bridging the gap but other countries in asia have made progress and the philippines' itself is making progress until five or six years ago it was in fact very heavily by its debt load and buy oil prices but of course most of all politically by the assassination of this trip you know what what difference is failure to deal of radically with that basic problem of the divide the division between rich and poor are going to create problems down the line for instance to make the commonest alternative more appealing to be a portal opinions it seems to me that the growth of nba how are was probably equally impaired due to a political unrest as well as economic unrest i think mrs aquino can answer the political question and our reinstitute the democratic

institutions well in the country the economic promise can be gravelly saunders it is not an impossible situation but certainly it's going to be very difficult and i think all filipinos expect the united states too being very far out isn't it changes everything or for one thing i think about when they were going to have to address their debt loads killing and now i think there will have to be some modification of the terms of the imf world bank agreement and rescheduling of that assembly i think it usaid and perhaps trade is something to be evaluated and reevaluated certainly all of asia is looking at us now and will be making up their minds as the viability of our relationships their relationship with those are based on how we react to the philippine situation in the next few months and fears rose to merge thank you very much for joining us we move the discussion to the politics internationally another

was a what is happening in the philippines american conservatives have been among the last to join the chorus calling for the removal of ferdinand marcos now that it is done most of applauded the way the reagan administration handled the situation but what jesse helms well until today the acknowledged leader of the most conservative wing of the republican party in the senate had not been heard from judy woodruff talked to him this morning and he said the keyword now is hope apple core of meticulous in rio and she says now that she's director of that due to come in illegally are managed in that sort of thing but more importantly who is going to be actively advising her but those that another we have laid down a letter to your better have some experts in the government and if she'll different people a reduced or free world well if you give the foreigner more

persuasive to her that though we'll pick from the family and the temperature and the film industry lord voldemort unruh and i think the administration was too hard on workers' a band arthur lakes we're going to well i know it was not an easy thing for the president to do but i don't know what the state department did throughout all this us open understand what state but the identities three senate and moderate state wanted addressed this thing the core of how we have pale and four in nineteen sixty when it was the election was stolen it's great britain head or parliament will approve a resolution condemning

corruption in us politics you're saying that even though there was widespread evidence of fraud in an abusive partisan marco's campaign veers love remember of understanding paul oh no shots and you'll hear thing about the the corruption and election own militia but that's a fait accompli and i don't think we ought to bother us about that will concentrate on preventing economist takeover of the philippines as happened there nicaragua cuba mr were a live without pursuing that i'm in but just to pursue it for a moment at the iraq and visit there was brought on eating outside and informative there have now been released along the

river the scope of the door for a lot of jerry is that iran what do you think this marcos experience says about how this administration how this government treats its friends overseas how would have hoped just one center in one american but all along we would've been more forthcoming international in making clear what the problem tomorrow for now notwithstanding mark i'm certain of them in a corruption an election where they'll but i'm saying that the doctor if he head count of orchestrating the people the revolution using an awesome people annoying people then he had a real problem and if art of people knew that in a bit american done something about it all we ought to learn something about it so what the freudian on the car

maybe some also about the new york city all my vision to let you assure that a lot better than what was in second place we continue the discussion now with political opposites the reverend jerry falwell and george mcgovern reverend falwell as the head of the liberty federation what's called the moral majority he joins us from lynchburg virginia that the mcgovern was a united states senator from south dakota on the nineteen seventy two democratic nominee for president senator mcgovern do you share senator helms concerns about the commonest and possible commonest and floats down the line over mrs aquino a new government i think a danger has been greatly less and now that market has gone the real danger of communist growth in the philippines was a bad reaction that markets that's what gave them their opportunity obviously the communists are there even though marcus is gone but you now have an anti government under mrs aquino has the support the overwhelming majority of the

people of the philippines it has the support of the business community it has the support of top military leaders as is the porter rank and file people and i think what we have seen the last few weeks is the most inspirational triumph of eight people were seeking to assert their democratic aspirations that we've seen in many many years it's my own view of that the steady growth of that kind of freedom in the philippines and a government that will be more sensitive to the political and economic and social concerns of the people is the best safeguard we have against the communist growth in that country mr paul which revealed that well obviously we have two responsibilities one we we need to be praying for a very successful unsuccessful transition we can be thankful to god for the fact that this was virtually bloodless revolution and i would compare with some of the governor

that it has the most inspirational to watch that from all sides from mr marcos and from this is that you know there has been a commitment to nonviolence it out particularly applaud president reagan because he did not attempt to interfere early on a way to promote their last moment when it became clear that the euro will of the filipino people i was being made known that at that time we called for mr marcos to step down at the same time did what is american president but president ford that is not only attempted to prevent to mr marcos from hurting his opponents but to remove him from the scene offered him sanctuary and in the long haul if the so that is correct and if the health concerns over my friend senator helms are not fulfilling that is that there is not an overwhelming amount of influence on the part of the nba the marxist insurgency upon mrs aquino of

this could try to be a very positive thing for in the end the final analysis is only end and the present is not here and being a friend of the marvelous a because in a right wing autocratic regime like the one the philippines it has given way to democracy as was the case in argentina brazil a guatemalan greece portugal spain and that never happens in the weakest marxist regime such as poland add that in with the markets is forever belong whenever there's a marxist it was a week we were the present is not been wrong in being a friend of those are friends of us even if their right wing dictators but he also has been very right and working for a peaceful and bloodless transition and i would commend him as well and the governor in hawaii for were given to mr mark olson's family an opportunity for it so you say a word about senator helms earlier observation about giving the state department a bad rap that's very popular that when the state department when things

go wrong but i think this is a clear trying for the state department i think secretary shelves and the professionals in the state department sought some time ago that marcos had lost his popular days and that for us to explain to him simply on the grounds that we had bases military bases and the philippines in the philippines was a no win propositions and so they cautioned them and persuaded the president to caution amid reforms had to be carried out they urged these elections which president marcos to his credit agreed to they also insisted when those elections were clearly warm by mrs ok now is senator lugar and others on the same testifying to the widespread corruption on the part of the marcos' regime that he step aside i think in this case you can't really fault the way the state department waded into one

lapse was was president reagan's unfortunate comment about their big fraud on both sides i don't see the evidence of fraud on the emptiness spoke to the politics in this country it's been suggested that only a conservative president like president reagan could have actually given a nudge to a man like markos do you agree that well that may have been true to some extent but i do think the american people as a whole are ready for this i want to give the president credit for mayor when the crunch came he stood there on the right side of the issue of urging of president marcos to step down it's quite possible that there would have been a louder outcry from conservative elements in this country if that position had been taken by the state by former president carter kennedy or johnson or some of the other democrats so if there's something in what you have to say it's it's a kind of an interesting paradox

that in the last month president of our day in haiti and president marcos in the philippines is to have the less popular governments in the world have both gone and i give the reagan administration a couple of points on that i think it by lars they have a lot of those things rather well as a conservative reverend falwell what like how do you feel about this this is that only a conservative like president reagan could have done that if they include the riot of it and markets the way you did it has some very good statement summer to it however i think that some of it is correct that that they're clearly about when i was in the philippines just a couple months ago just after arsenal actual was there we both were mr markos we first committed him for calling for elections but we also urged him to two seater that those elections were honest and above reproach so that there could be a clear mandate in this country that the people of the filipino people wanting obviously didn't at attention to that

but i think what we're passing out accolades that the paul laxalt deserved radio accommodation novel because of his first visit there is a visitor with the most marvelous and clearly articulating president reagan's wishes and tackles explain to me that mr laakso in fact told him very clearly in front of what was expected from this on the water's is forego with the most marvelous urging that he step down and that he could claim lee i think it had quite an impact on is not using military might and when he was in the position to do it there was a point when i was listening to and rarely and around lhasa last night and said that there was a point when they were very very weak and had just marcos wished to do it there could be a real bloodbath and so too subtle laxalt i think the american people and the philippines filipino people owe a great debt to write that neither of you are concerned at all about dr the present of the united states an interfering in any why and the change of government in another nation not at all when you

work when you consider that all we were asking for were fair elections and for the government that we'd been backing out there over the years with generous amounts of american foreign aid to heed that election and he was perfectly proper that we weighed and diplomatically and politically birds that those elections ultimately did but what about senator helms point that in the nineteen sixty election of great britain said atm fraud in an election and the united states or go away out of president kennedy we would've been i was like i don't think anybody thinks that seriously first before i've ever heard the man who was defeated in nineteen sixties say that the election was stolen from him if he felt that way didn't challenge it did anyway no one's ever accused president nixon of not pressing his advantage politically so i think those charges a bit of a specious one it seems to me that that the big lesson of what happened in the philippines and that was

something the state department understood in this case is that american foreign policy the dominant note in american foreign policy can simply to be anti russian or anti communist that basically the dominant note out to be pro liberty it's important but the united states stands for you agree with that fall off i do indeed about hope now that what we've seen happen in the philippines i can be at an example for us as we approach the totalitarian government in managua nicaragua saw that we might get behind president reagan's efforts to give assistance to those courageous freedom fighters the contras in central america than another totalitarian regime that allows no free press no freedom of religion around missionaries are killed and you know even in the worst days of mr marcos in the philippines are missionaries there and represent jesus christ would never one time challenge as to their right to preach the gospel and i believe that mrs aquino will follow that same example so i i hope that the and i support for jonas savimbi in angola

not quite as we're well you will get the same kind of support fight involves how terror finally tonight the ongoing investigation into what caused the space shuttle challenger disaster yesterday engineers a morton thiokol a maker of the shuttles booster rocket said they felt pressured by nasa to improve the launch despite their fears that cold weather might pose a risk to day businesses turn to reply was a record again covered the hearings for us nasa officials came back hard today once more why nasa is top solid rocket boosters man flatly denied that nasa had changed its philosophy on flight safety as your user that there was no rehearsal all the traditional nasa research proving

the research group in a while you can ally said that he had received a recommendation not to launch for more and i called the firm that makes the solid rocket boosters nine but he denied that he had put pressure on morton thiokol to change that decision that resulted in a conclusion with information without basis and i found his lobby now that he's been interviewed by some people is upon pressure asserted are considered to be applying pressure the record as a new political watch you are it's an islamist militants out of context and where it pools are saving tens of the minivan it is right now aboud says he got into generating new ones

and writer the total contacts i think it was so were made and use this their attorney nola was met criteria for joint venture what you are proposing to do is to generate a new law to commit criteria on the eve of a lot that we have successfully cloned with the existing often a criteria twenty four previous tax code that you were and as we understand a recommendation engine this was don't want and you express your displeasure certain somewhere along the line they decided that what was seen like a five minute recess whistling while five minutes and analysis of major importance why is that i yeah i

hope that i have not said that allows upset my recommendation not watch what i was challenging conclusions that we draw that recommendation not to launch or or or to launch at that time we were not setting where the other yes sir i understand they don't end the logical conclusion and the lawyer superior george hardy is to his own denial of a change a nasa safety philosophy i categorically reject that the process was approved and me and integrated lot of the photo traditional approach approve of the threat report oh yes i'm a lawyer i am i would normally accept and requires you are it was a certain amount of dedicated men and women with whom i associate with

many of whom live literally put the sweat tears in the shuttle program normally contractors are in the position of trying to trying to prove to you that there really lived their systems are safe to fly and they are used to having to defend that point of view and this time they were in your position they work they were so concerned that they infect recommended they're not to launch i think that they might argue that they were so used to to hear you say your insurance safe that when you both said are you sure it's not say that they were so taken aback that they perceive that is as precious that i guess i'm i'm wondering whether it's possible that there you didn't realize that you could have been generating his reaction this because then the reversal of their normal position relative to you well we were to borrow like you why did you meet him

and what we did as mari shares in a place no no discussion or more out where that know that know that the weather about someone else a good regime line of questioning that could understand that they don't and in fact the challenger i maintain in the ruling owners didn't challenge it and then i find that i have found that the in most cases a new commander whatever else from competition and the date of the eu will hang tough i can imagine the rich roommates in what way we get me to accept of song woe is a given the increase for immigration or i can imagine relations from the testimony that we heard yesterday where that that

the engineers did in your terminology into the engineers at that paul were still arguing the points that they had been arguing at the beginning but i'm not aware of that part of the idea of the discussion of the fact that the wave they go through the source and force and you said that you would not have approved of a lot of the color red and that's working now suppose that this is a film that said two arms senate on flags and this represents madison's decision i would love to it was a system of communication that bother panel members all

day and only from the thigh apple engineers to nasa but within their size well if this one are going to are going for one we're asking musicians and ideas are you do is somewhat levels of the visits as a barrier and this ranch manager was at the end of the morning about five o'clock in the operations i see what was it in the afternoon it was dan rinehart his turn to tell general kitty know what he had done with the information based on the results of the meeting and the conclusions are out of the meeting

the director marshall the polluters and the director slash engineering things were on twenty eight january about five of the initial thought all concerns an engineering recommendations the final recommendation so in those positions dr lucas was one injury much less like a manner that was important not to report it and want to go to a farm or go to this is based on on my assessment of the situation echoes of this position at for better or worse i did not receive any we're required for interaction with level to as the concern was we're in this position

with full agreement among all responsible parties after that agree with her own or are you telling us that you in fact are the person who made the decision not to escalate this to a level scripture over the last two days the commission has heard detail analysis from both sides on what the data met michael engineers that the data meant it was too cold to launch they feared the cold would hurt the ability of the rubber o rings to seal the joints michelle channels solid rocket booster nasa admitted to the problem with the owings seals into numerous warnings about the problem the day and i think the cold would have made it worse commissioners wondered of nasa and start to ask the bigger question was the shuttle safe to fly with a joint seal problem they already knew could destroy the mission and the crew a problem that could have been made more critical when the weather was bad tomorrow the commission will reconvene with the focus once again on the weather

ah once again the main stories of the day ferdinand marcos arrived in hawaii apparently for a long stay and nasa officials said he would have recommended delaying the challenger launch if he had known that engineers opposed it and president reagan said cuts in his defense budget would be reckless dangerous and wrong he spoke from the white house this evening the past five years has shown that american strength is once again sheltering arm for freedom in a dangerous world strength is the most persuasive argument we have to convince our adversaries to negotiate seriously and deceased bullying other nations have denied security program the view when i launched to restore america's strength is in jeopardy threatened by those who would quit before the job is done annie slackening now would invite a very dangerous america must avoid and could fatally compromised

are negotiating position our adversaries the soviets we know from painful experience respect only nations that negotiate from a position of strength american power is the indispensable element of a peaceful world it is america's last best hope of negotiating real reductions in nuclear arms just as we're sitting down to the bargaining table with the soviet union let's not throw america's trump card a way president reagan tonight the merger will say yvonne died on july out like you and goodnight funding for the link below is provided by at and see whether its telephone information systems long distance services computers at and saying too funding also is provided by the station and other public television stations and the corporation for public broadcasting

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